Apparently this might have happened because :
A company that commercially makes arcade cabinets (Arcade 1up) took Duckstation, made tons of improvements to it for a Simpsons game, then refused to release the source code as is required by GPL until they were pressured to on social media, and ultimately only released snippets of the code that don't actually build.
Think that left a sour taste in their mouth and they're going a bit overboard with the response.
https://old.reddit.com/r/Arcade1Up/comments/109m5g2/simpsons_bowling_runs_under_duckstation/
Could it be that someone is trying to use the source for building a commercial product?
They already did. This particular Stenzek meltdown stems from Arcade1Up using a modified version of DuckStation in their Simpsons Bowling arcade machine. They modified it themselves to get the game running properly, didn't contribute any of that work back to the main project, and initially also didn't make their modified source code available either (though eventually did after some pressure). Stenzek went on a rant on Groomercord about how he's tired of people making money from his work and decided to do this. It's hard to actually say he's wrong in this case, as Arcade1Up has a long history of using people's work without permission and refusing to release their source code, despite being in violation of the license they agreed to.
The thing about open source licensing is that it's pretty much enforced on the honor system at this level, since very few people actually have the resources to go to court over it - especially when you're talking individuals versus a company. That said, Stenzek doing this is also almost certainly in violation of the previous license. He is and always has been a hothead prone to dramatic moves and burning bridges, despite being a hugely talented developer.
I guess the dev also had drama with over a fork for retroarch at some point too: https://old.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/siaegs/libretro_regarding_duckstationswanstation/ https://web.archive.org/web/20221018151339/https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sruqo3
and also some drama over his own mobile fork of PCSX2
https://old.reddit.com/r/EmulationOnAndroid/comments/11q6ddl/aethersx2_new_developer/
further discussions:
https://old.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/1ffmjux/duckstation_developer_changes_project_license/
https://old.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/1ffmlrk/playstation_1_emulator_duckstation_developer/
https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1ffml57/playstation_1_emulator_duckstation_developer/
https://old.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/1ffscdp/playstation_1_emulator_duckstation_developer/
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This is what I never got about GPL. It's meaningless. You just don't adhere to it and literally nothing happens. Noone cares. These guys are still going to rip Duckstation off no matter what license they use. Just release it as MIT+BIPOC and move on.
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https://plusBIPOC.org/
Best licence ever
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It works getting the kernel sources from even chink companies. Thats why linux supports so much hardware vs bsd which can hardly get wifi working. There are GPL lawsuits all the time and they usually get companies to comply.
It prevented microsoft from making WSL1 because they would get GPL'd.
An unenforced GPL is at worst just as effective as a BSD cuck license:
https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/why-i-use-the-gpl-and-not-cuck-licenses/
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Software licenses basically only work on white people, so
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Nips who only follow rules made by other nips
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this but unironically
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Doesn't retroarch just do the whole process of getting different emulators for you, though?
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Yes. You download cores in the software and it werks.
Bit finicky your first time using it but you get used to it
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Remember playing that Simpsons game in the bowling alley when you were a kid? Good times. #Just90sKids
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Yes that totally.
The Simpsons suddenly was this huge fad (the only fad in my life that deserved it) so there was suddenly all this merchandising.
It's entirely possible the game was made in Japan before they had a translation by people who had no idea wtf was going on.
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Pet Rock was warranted too imo
@Grue stand with israel
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WTF are you talking about? That was an arcade game?
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I don't like K-Pop but I do like when I'm in H-Mart and Secret starts playing.
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You're not an 80s kid??
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Does it mean you were born then or you were alive then?
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I'm askin the questions here pal
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I like duckz
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Analog r*pe machine
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who?
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rDrama beetlejuicing moment posting it to /h/hdrama
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i stopped caring about emulation drama when every emugen thread contained crucial lore and if you didnt constantly keep up with it you would be hopelessly lost. this was in 2017 and i have zero doubts that the drama has somehow gotten even more neurodivergent and even more dense
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I think near/byuu killed themself over emugen drama (or at least, emugen drama is what made them famous enough to attract the attention of the farms in the first place)
EMULATION KILLS
Buy licensed software today!
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inshallah total emulators death
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Those Arcade1Up cabinets fricking suck. Even with the riser (sold separately
) it's still too short, and the hardware is low-quality (they use mediocre parts for their arcade sticks)
It's normiebait through and through
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FOSSBIPOCs are so fricking spoonfed and fragile. A project changes its license specifically to forbid commercial grifting and theft and everyone loses their fricking minds. Not like it would actually prevent the theft which was in violation of the previous license anyway!!! Holy shit
If you ever want to see FOSScels erupt in fury, ask innocently about closed source licenses and casually defend or ask about the benefits of keeping certain rights reserved to the code owner. It's great.
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First reply, I just broke this thread's hymen. Anyone else who posts after me is getting my sloppy seconds, my leftovers.
Snapshots:
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/09/playstation-1-emulator-duckstation-changes-license-for-no-commercial-use-and-no-derivatives/:
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Stenzek is a cute twink and doesnt even understand how licenses work.
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