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EFFORTPOST 996.2 Carrera 4S Bore Scoring Inspection Images and Report

Car Info and Introduction:

Year: 2004

Model: Carrera 4S

Milage: 62,000 Miles

Miles Since Last Oil Change: 4000mi

Oil: Motul 8100 X-Cess Gen 2 5w40

Additives: 2 Bottles LubroMoly Ceratec

Modifications: Low-Temp Thermostat, Magnetic Drain Plug, Rennline Tunable Semi-Solid Engine Mounts, LN Spin-On Oil Filter Adapter with NAPA Gold filter, No cats (stolen), LN Single-Row Ceramic IMS Bearing installed at 16,000mi.

I thought I would write up some info on my car and its cylinder heath in order to track bore scoring progression, symptoms, and what I'm doing to slow its decline.

2004 Carrera 4S - Technically fourth owner. Was owned by two individuals before being purchased by my father in 2013 at 16,000 miles. Summer driven only except for a few regretful startups and idling in the winter. Maintained first at dealer, then independent specialist, then me once I started to become proficient. I was given the car by my father at 40,000 miles, although only transferred it into my name upon his passing.

Previous Service:

4,000mi ago, in 2023 I experienced constant misfires in all cylinders on Bank 2 (4, 5, and 6). I diagnosed this as a bad Variocam solenoid. At the time I had some extra cash from some art sales, a lot of free time, and decided to do a minor overhaul/refresh of the engine. As part of the process I scoped the cylinders, both through the sump and spark plug holes and discovered very light scoring/scratching in some of the cylinders. Unfortunately I did not mark which image went to which cylinder, but an example of the worst of it can be seen below:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257444126652818.webp

Because of the minor severity of it, and the fact I'd just spent my $6k budget on parts and cowtools, I decided to go forward with the minor refresh and check back on the scoring during the next oil change. I pulled the engine and transmission and replaced the following (from memory, will add additional items if I recall later): spark plugs, coils, Variocam solenoids and actuators, AOS and all associated plumbing, power steering upper and lower reservoir and o-rings, oil cooler o-rings, cam position sensors, crank position sensor, coolant hoses, low-temp thermostat, coolant, water pump, magnetic drain plug, LN spin-on oil filter adapter, belt tensioner and pulleys, clutch, clutch slave cylinder (blew old one out upon reinstallation), MAF, vacuum hoses (replaced with silicone, intake gaskets and o-rings, checked oil pickup tubes for debris and smoke tested the engine. I also tossed on a fresh set of rear tires and welded the loose baffles in the factory Sport Exhaust.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257444131150663.webp

I wanted to change the injectors but the affordable OEM options were not available at that time.

Compression is good and less than 10% on all cylinders except for Cylinder 1, which suffers due to a leaky exhaust valve.

I chose to refill it with Motul X-Cess Gen2 5w40. Previously it has used LubroMoly 5w40. I added two bottles of LubroMoly Ceratec.

The Past 4000mi:

Further precautions included not letting it idle upon startup, driving only in moderate weather, and not revving above 3500rpm for the first five to ten miles. I am also careful not to lug the engine and drive taking advantage of the car's momentum.

So far the car has not exhibited any other symptoms of bore scoring. Plugs are not fouled, no ticking or slapping noises, and both exhaust pipes are clean as a whistle.

Inspection Results:

Drain Plug:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257445208196452.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257445243452692.webp

One small shard of ferrous metal on plug, small amount of ferrous powder.

Oil Filter:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257445269062996.webp

One spec of green Variocam seal, or or two brown flakes from timing chain guides.

Spark Plugs:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1725744529703003.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257445322983606.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257445352388854.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1725744537900539.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257445404545052.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257445430829349.webp

All spark plugs show even burn with no fouling or dampness.

Cylinder 1:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257447256077943.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257447260836344.webp

Cylinder 1 pics are from the top (plug side) only.

Cylinder 2:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257447264784858.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257447269094594.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257447273618596.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1725744727782838.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257447282696402.webp

Cylinder 3:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1725744728725043.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257447292145343.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257447296367364.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257447300679843.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257447304718482.webp

Cylinder 4:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257448854845216.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257448859324625.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257448863975942.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1725744886888618.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257448873534582.webp

Cylinder 4 shows the worst scoring.

Cylinder 5:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257448877836752.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1725744888208698.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257448886655173.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1725744889039951.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1725744889425497.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257448899075253.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1725744890369001.webp

Cylinder 6:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257448907852187.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257448912590284.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257448917671158.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1725744892215919.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1725744892680547.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1725744893054041.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17257448934639542.webp

Cylinder 6 shows some discoloration/wear(?) at the bottom of the cylinder.

I also am sending my used oil out for analysis and will add the results when they are delivered.

Conclusion and Plan Moving Forward:

I will be replacing the semi-solid engine mounts with factory mounts due to the data I've read on Rennlist regarding solid mounts. I wonder if my bad exhaust valve could be contributed to this.

As the car is asymptomatic and scoring is still relatively minor, I plan on continuing to drive it while saving for a DIY rebuild. I put around 5k miles on the car per year, and feel I can get at least another 6k out of it before tearing it apart.

If no external symptoms prompt me next year, in the fall I will scope the engine again to check progression.

When the time comes I will send the block to LN for nickies and order the Jake Raby book and video series, while doing the labor myself. I've never rebuilt an engine before, but there's a first time for everything and I can't imagine my financial situation improving to the point where I could afford an FSI rebuild. I also don't want to spend $30k on a car that's only worth $35-45k. I do, however, plan on keeping the car for as long as possible.

Over the winter my goal is to purchase and install a third radiator kit and install the LN Single Row Pro bearing, as the current ceramic bearing is past it's lifespan and very close to the maximum miles recommended.

Thoughts, analysis, opinions, and questions are all welcome.

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My boss in the 2000s had that car after he hated his M5 (always breaking down), but did I hear you right? No oil change in 58,000 miles? How???


Krayon sexually assaulted his sister. https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241526738973.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17118241426254768.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17156480765435808.webp

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What inspection camera do you have? It absolutely mogs my Milwaukee M12 one.

>I've never rebuilt an engine before, but there's a first time for everything

!commenters this is how you build a car, in my experience.

1. Take adderall, Rip out 1984 boat anchor motor.

2. Buy jspec motor from marketplace, 6hr drive. Take more adderall so you don't fall asleep driving home at 4am

3. Dry comp test new motor, find its sub 100 psi because the exhaust valves are cooked.

4. Buy second motor from reputable jdm importer for twice the price.

5. More adderall, cut and weld shit so new engine fits.

6. Rewire the entire car so the new ecu doesn't throw ref/sync errors (adderall and oscilloscope required)

7. Base tune yay.

8. Find more problems, get so sick of the thing you leave it on stands for a year

Best of luck

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It's some Chinese Depstech scope from Amazon. Has a super small head, yet includes a side-facing camera along with the front facing one, and a pretty large screen. The lens on mine is all scratched up yet still gives decent results and it was only around $85.

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I'm planning an EJ207 swap for my blobeye WRX. What importer did you go with?

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>stupid headlights

just part it out bro

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Carp, Aevann - does this count as an effort post? It's mechanical drama.

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ya

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I wonder if you could just buy a wrecked 996 911 Turbo and swap the engine in. It doesn't have the IMS bearing issue (though you said it's already been done), and you'd get a considerable power upgrade. Not sure how compatible they are though.

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A Turbo engine would probably be more trouble than it's worth, once you've sorted the engine plus cooling (no intercooler or rear intakes on the carrera) and electronics and there's bound to be other things you're probably hitting the point where you could have just sold the car and bought a turbo.

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Yeah. The real smart move would've been to have bought a moderate mileage Turbo back in 2013 for the same $55k as this low-mileage C4S.

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The air intakes for the Turbo would mean unwanted body work. The Metsger from a GT3 would work, as there's only one mount/brace that needs to be reworked, but find me a wrecked GT3 for less than $15k.

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LubroMoly? More like LubroMOLDY, amirite?

:#marseytrollolol: :#marseysmug2:

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Have you thought about replacing that unreliable import junk with a fine piece of American steel? Why would you willing drive that when you could be turning heads with a '96 Mercury Cougar?

Real talk, if I were you I'd be looking to sell that ASAP. It's never going to be fixed without spending a fortune, and it's not going to get any better.

If you want a budget Porsche experience buy a Panamera or a Boxster.

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I'd rather drive a one-wheel than drive an American car.

Anyone I sold a 996 to would ask for a PPI, which would reveal bore scoring, which would drop the value of the car from $35-45k to $15k max. This is because it currently costs $35k to have the engine rebuilt by a shop. Fixing it DIY will cost me $10-15k. It makes more sense to fix it myself, resulting in a basically bulletproof engine, than buying another car full of problems. Do I have $10-15k right now? No, not unless my mom hurries up and dies, but I can easily save for it and drive the car in the meantime.

I've had a Boxster and I really enjoyed it except I don't want to go under 300hp again. A used Boxster would also be full of issues, and this car has none except for the scoring - not a single dent and everything else that could go wrong has been replaced or upgraded. A Panamera is not only butt ugly, but it's a large sedan and not a sports car. I already have its highway-cruiser predecessor, a 928. The Porsche V8s also suffer from bore scoring.

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>Anyone I sold a 996 to would ask for a PPI

You never know unless you try.

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personally i prefer subarus over porsches idk why haters call me biased

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they're basically the same thing

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>Subarus

  • Driven by bros called Tyler and butch lesbians called Cass

  • drive it in any season, have fun and moisten panties

  • costs slightly more to repair than a Toyota

  • famous in the world of rally

>Poosches

  • driven by CCP nepo Asians called Ping Pong and homosexual German boomers called Gunter

  • :soyjakyell: > never winter driven :!ethot:

  • need to take out a second mortgage to Israel to replace minor parts

  • famous for being the poor man's luxury car

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Do you have any mechanical training? Or is it all self taught by :marseyboomer: shaky cam youtube?

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No training. I just take things apart, making sure to document what I've taken apart and in what order, and it's pretty easy to figure out what does what from there. Don't have the time or patience for YouTube.

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based :marseykingcrown:

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:ma#rseymechanic:

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Kino

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:#marseyalienprobe:

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Further precautions included not letting it idle upon startup, driving only in moderate weather, and not revving above 3500rpm for the first five to ten miles. I am also careful not to lug the engine and drive taking advantage of the car's momentum.

Whats the point of all those horses if you won't let them run?

What causes the scoring to be such an issue for this particular model?

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You can drive the shit out of it, just make sure it's warmed up first.

Bore scoring is due to them attempting to cast the silicon in the aluminum block casting instead of doing sleeves, combined with a fragile "plastic" piston coating, combined with a weak open-deck design, coolant channels on bank 2 that aren't larger than the ones in bank 1 to make up for heat absorption, and using the same pistons/linkages for each bank causing too much offset on bank 2.

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Nothing in that quote says you can't let them run? You just take it easy till it's warmed up.

And from a quick search, something about the materials used, probably made worse by the fact that the cylinders are all sitting on their sides on a boxer.

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