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Arestovitch Das/Ihr Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦 3d ago (image post) 88 thread views #268339

This is elfland the model of peak democracy in the world

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WeihnachtenSalvador Holy/King 3d ago (reddit.com) 124 thread views #268251

Greta Thunberg arrested outside Eurovision Song Contest : pics

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Arestovitch Das/Ihr Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦 3d ago (twitter.com) 114 thread views #268185

Victoria Nuland said that Kyiv was “not in a strong enough position” for negotiations with Russia

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And this is the Russian surrender plan from Victoria Nuland: “She was at the top of the State Department. Now she is ready to talk”:

Victoria Nuland said that Kyiv was “not in a strong enough position” for negotiations with Russia and still occupies it now - which means it is… pic.twitter.com/u0gjOf96YF
— Victor vicktop55 (@vicktop55) May 11, 2024

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/05/11/victoria-nuland-state-department-diplomat-interview-00157408

Let's start with the fact that Putin has already failed in his objective. He wanted to flatten Ukraine. He wanted to ensure that they had no sovereignty, independence, agency, no democratic future

How it's possible to start a statement with so many contradiction ? Putin is right now bombing Ukraine and doing it better than in 2022 or 2023. So statement that Putin failed is at this point wrong. Then talking about Ukrainian sovereignty, independence and democracy future when they fully depend on western help to exist :marseysmug3: and democracy when the election was cancelled by Zelenskyy because Zakuzhnyy is more popular ?

Can Ukraine succeed? Absolutely. Can Ukraine come out of this more sovereign, more economically independent, stronger, more European than it is now? Absolutely. And I think it will. But we've got to stay with it. We've got to make sure our allies stay with it.

And we have to accelerate a lot of the initiatives that were in the supplemental, like helping Ukraine build that highly deterrent military force of the future, like deploying these longer-range weapons to strategic effect, like ensuring that the critical infrastructure and the energy sector are protected, like building up our own defense industrial base and that of our allies and Ukraine's again, so that we and Ukraine are building faster than Russia and China.

This part reads like is 2022 and khohols weren't pumped with almost 500 billions and given all kinds of range weapons. I mean Ukraine is somehow in 2022 because it was last time they had any success but still. And part with building faster than Russia and China is just pure cope.

>But can it get all its territory back, including Crimea?

It can definitely get to a place where it's strong enough, I believe, and where Putin is stymied enough to go to the negotiating table from a position of strength. It'll be up to the Ukrainian people what their territorial ambitions should be. But there are certain things that are existential.

Any deal that they cut in their interest and in the larger global interest has to be a deal that Putin is compelled to stick to. We can't be doing this every six months, every three years. It has to actually lead to a deal that includes Russian withdrawal.

Offer to Putin absolute capitulate without having power to force him do this = Putin doesn't want to negotiate :marseyclapping: true kwin of diplomacy

>Was it a mistake not to push the Ukrainians harder to go for some sort of negotiated end to the war in 2022, especially the fall of 2022?

They were not in a strong enough position then. They're not in a strong enough position now. The only deal Putin would have cut then, the only deal that he would cut today, at least before he sees what happens in our election, is a deal in which he says, “What's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable.” And that's not sustainable.

I love how she act like Ukrainian situation today is similar to 2022. Not mentioning back then Ukraine had power of sanctions and western help with billions games changers so there was hints Russia could lose but in 2024 Ukraine has shortage of manpower, epic western help is a norm that just keep Ukraine alive in comatose form. And then China now helps Russia more and more. So she needs to be honest, Ukraine bussy is in worse shape today. And sustainable is probably fight to last Ukrainian and then still lose ?

That works if you have a leadership that is fundamentally accepting the current system. But once you have leaders who are telling their populations that this system keeps their country down, doesn't allow it to have its rightful place that has a territorial definition of greatness, that is bent on economic, political and or military coercion — that's antithetical to this order, and then our policy has to change.

I don't think higher tariffs ever existed in history

>leaders who are telling their populations that this system keeps their country down, doesn't allow it to have its rightful place

:marseyclapping:

>What is the lesson we should learn about foreign policy in general when it comes to the experiences we've had in Russia and China?

We should always try to talk both to leaders and to people, to the extent that we're allowed. We should always offer an opportunity to work together in common interest.

Russia capitulate immediately! China you can't surpass us in economical market !

Always offer and opportunity to work together :marseyclapping:

>Do you ever plan to go back into government?