It has been revealed that this whole mess was actually a massive unprecedented attack by both Russia and China on NATO. While other disinfo campaigns in the West happened, they were basically just a warm up for this, an overwhelming sudden attack that was supposed to completely decapitate the country and wreck the whole eastern flank of NATO (we and Poland are the main NATO allies here, so with our collapse both Poland and Ukraine would fail soon). This has been prepared for years (since 2016) and failed because these r-slurs severely overestimated the whole 'Romania is a western democracy and a member of NATO and EU' while horribly underestimating the 'Romania is a semi-autocratic eastern european shithole' part

Georgescu winning with the help of some secret services (yes the conspiracy theories were right) and generals and becoming a dictator was the main part, which failed because the idea of a democratic state cancelling elections while people were voting was preposterous (too bad nobody here cares about democracy). The backup plan was to either start a violent revolution with the supporters they gathered in all these years, or to at least cause so much chaos that the whole country will become ungovernable (too bad Romania is the laziest and most cowardly country in Eastern Europe)

The coup step by step

• after communism we never cleaned the country and the institutions of russian agents and sympathisers, so they just waited patiently for an opportunity to strike and bring Romania back into Russia's sphere of influence

• the attack was carried by Russia with China's help and with the contribution of some other countries (probably third world countries bot armies)

• during the peak of the electoral campaign Georgescu became the 9th trending topic on TikTok or something (don't use TikTok dunno how it works), and since no one really cares that much about Romania, this is proof that China was doing dumb shit with their algorithms

• other disinfo campaigns that Russia is accused of (like Brexit) were basically tests to see how western countries react to online manipulations. Brexit is an important part here because of the whole 'you can't overturn the will of the people, so if a referendum passes you must honour it' conclusion. Russia was aware that they can't take over a western country, so they just focused on destabilising them, but they want to take over Eastern Europe, so the attack here was actually meant to be a coup and not just stirring shit for the lulz

• this has been in the works for years, possibly since 2016; Georgescu has been living in Austria without a job all this time where he prepared for his esoteric messiah role and slowly gathered a following of conspiracy nutjobs

• two weeks before the first elections an army of bots started to promote Georgescu everywhere on social media and especially on TikTok. Some accounts were older than the current TikTok, created when it was still only a chinese site. They got millions of people to vote for him.

• the idea was to keep everything hidden until the elections, when Georgescu will be promoted suddenly and massively, and by the time the authorities will realize something is wrong he will have already won the first voting round, at which point no one would dare to do anything against 'the will of the people' (that part worked)

• (at this point our secret services actually realized something is very funky and asked NATO for help without anyone knowing it)

• the mysterious recount happened because the number of votes given to each candidate didn't match the votes that were presented on the election website and the authorities were worried that Russia somehow managed to get involved in the election process, but apparently they just hacked the website to mess with the numbers?

• anyway, since everything was fine, the first round of the elections was validated and the election season continued while multiple secret services, both ours and foreign were taking notes

• other weird things happened in the first voting session, like lots of ballots reaching the voting booths being already pre-stamped for Georgescu, but people assumed incompetency rather than foul play

• well, it turns out that a big part of our authorities, from secret service agents to politicians to cops and army officials, tried to stage a soft coup and manipulate the elections to get Georgescu elected as president (and his other friends into the parliament). They tried to hide evidence from their colleagues, tripped up their investigations when they noticed something was wrong, distracted people, lied etc. The only reason they didn't succeed was because someone was smart enough to notify Burgerland first and only then tried to sort through all this mess

• when they noticed the scale of the infiltration, the heads of some secret services tried to resign in shame but our president didn't accept because everything was already too chaotic and destabilised

• NATO came up with the 'cancel the elections' plan which was supposed to be a last resort if everything else failed

• two days before the last election round, when the diaspora was already queued up to vote (and a few hundred people already did), the elections were finally cancelled. Coup effectively ended

• surprisingly, despite being a corrupt shithole and despite all this chaos, we survived what is now described to be the worse hybrid attack on a NATO/EU country

• (but seriously, imagine the russian guys responsible for this. People were already voting, no democracy will ever do anything to disturb the voting process at this point, all pieces were in place, your agent was two steps away from winning. All these years of work will pay off handsomely. This was supposed to be the first type of all hands on deck attack and it was a resounding success, one NATO country down, Ukraine finished, whatever else... And then, casually and without hesitation the elections were cancelled and everyone was told to go back home. And there's nothing you can do to save your hard work from being trampled )

Funny detail. That burger plane I mentioned in my last post? The elections were cancelled just 40 minutes after it landed and most of that time was spent in traffic not in some meeting room Anyway, before that Merica also sent some specialists or something during these deranged weeks (and probably some CIA agents). Possibly the reason why the coup stated to progressively falter, there's one thing to fight our own secret services, a whole different thing to do this with CIA breathing down your neck Still, I have to give credit to our own (non-traitor) intelligence agents too, they fought with all they have and did their job well and managed to drag us all away from the cliff's edge

Yesterday evening, or night, another murican plane landed in Bucharest, probably to help us with the potential upcoming civil unrest and violence that will totes happen just because Putin wants it

The 'revolution'

Since Russia is a slav country surrounded by other slav and muslim countries they dumbly assumed that all these people that were convinced to vote for Georgescu would also be willing to get beaten up by the cops for him. Clearly they have no idea what country they're messing with

• obviously, all his supporters (and bots) were wiped into a frenzy because of the now lost elections, screaming about rights and democracy and fascism and communism and whatever

• on top of all this anger came some weird conspiracy theories: Biden wants to use Romania to drag NATO into war in order to remain a dictator forever, Moldova declared war on Transnistria and we'll join them with our army overnight, the state will start rounding up men to send them to Ukraine, martial law will be declared so our president will become a dictator etc. Anyway, lots of scary shit and these morons actually believed it

• a huge mass of angry and scared people are the perfect recipe for a nasty protest right? Add our actual nazi groups (armed and trained militias) and some mercenaries usually fighting in third world shitholes joining in and you get an actual revolution

• yesterday, the funniest shit happened, and that was the last part of this plan, the final moment before the bloodshed will start. Georgescu appeared in some livestream and said to his supporters that the elections weren't actually cancelled, because in some purely freeman of the land fashion, the decree from the Constitutional Court wasn't signed properly and wasn't published on their site therefore it's not an actual binding declaration. In fact, the globalist state is lying to them all, the elections still happen normally, just that his supporters are tricked to stay at home so he can lose the elections. So, they must all still go and vote.

• the idea here was: hundreds if not thousands of people gather in the streets to vote, they can't vote because the elections are cancelled, they get angry and the police (already tense due to the whole coup thing) panic and start beating up people, the nazis then jump to defend them with guns and swords and everything descends into violence

The actual results?

...a huge army of supporters have gathered to to vote for Goergescu! Fear them!

(notice that messed up flag)

• 20 in the country

• 100 at Viena

• 30 at Paris and Rome

They seem more confused than angry... yeah civil wars aren't exactly our thing...

In the meantime, all the hardcore nazis that came to Bucharest to fight the police were arrested before crossing into the capital As soon as the elections were cancelled the cops descended on all the known nazis (both the infamous ones and new r-slurs that posted threats on TikTok after Georgescu's rise to fame). They confiscated lots of weapons (mostly knives and swords because guns are rare here). And the ones that managed to hide have been caught now.

Even some actual militias tried to join. We have a relatively large number of mercenaries fighting in Africa and the Middle East for some reason (large for a balkan shithole that had nothing to do ever with other continents anyway). Some leader active in Congo has been arrested for trying to bring 'dozens of weapons, two guns and lots of explosives' into Bucharest during the night.

Here's the badass action hero guy:

And here is him obediently following the cops to the police station:

Mercenarul Horatiu Potra, saltat si incatusat de mascati pic.twitter.com/tBFqy1AE04

— aktual24.ro (@ak24ro) December 8, 2024

So, the whole thing was a massive failure and a huge waste of money, resources and time for Russia The authorities are still in high alert for tonight, but it seems that the worst has passed To our surprise, and delight, America reacted immediately when we called for help and held our hand throughout all this nightmare

Best part for the last In the most embarrassing turns of events ever our presidential candidates decided to all send love letters to Trump for frick knows what reason

First our nazi russian agent

Thank you @elonmusk for the "heck" you mentioned. We need peace and democracy and that's the "heck" they are upsest about, but - In God we trust! pic.twitter.com/5WG0lAvNmw

— Călin Georgescu OFFICIAL ACCOUNT (@CG_Romania) December 7, 2024

Then his gypsy nazi friend

What’s happening in 🇷🇴 is a disgrace, @DonaldTrumpJr.
Romanian people clearly chose a sovereignist, patriotic, and peaceful future. Yet, Soros globalists have other plans for us.
This spring we have one last chance.
We need your support - for #freedom! @DonaldJTrump @elonmusk

— 🇷🇴 George Simion 🇲🇩 (@georgesimion) December 7, 2024

And then our LGBT Soros feminazi candidate

President @realDonaldTrump, you have all my respect for the great things you have done, and will continue to do, to put America first and for your continuous fight for the American people. You are a true leader of the people, just like me.

I share your belief that the people and… pic.twitter.com/rEHgbHmb6w

— Elena Lasconi (@ElenaLasconi) December 7, 2024

I literally never felt such a bone deep second hand embarrassment since middle school The only parties who didn't pull such an r-slured move were our status quo parties and I think I'll vote for them next elections because they're the only ones who understand how diplomacy works in the first place

All in all, EU is pissed, NATO is worried, after all if such a hidden network existed here then other similar networks could be planted for other countries, all waiting to be activated at the right moment, and according to some diplomats even Trump is pissed. I mean, imagine starting your presidency with all sorts of ideas for your country's problems only to have to sort through multiple eastern european conflicts because Russia can't keep it's hand to itself

Mutts know that Canada is cucked in regards to gun ownership, but can't comprehend the actual context behind it. hopefully this helps

A long standing political tradition in Canada is milking the shit out of events, the most potent of this is the Polytechnique Massacre (pictured below) which has cuckolded canadian gun owners for well over a third of a century at this point.

(this isn't an exaggeration, the resembelance is uncanny )

The shooting itself wasn't anything spectacular. it was Today (happy anniversary, i wish he got them all!) , all the way back in 1989. Some incel (named marc le pine ) was beaten enough as a kid to get literal brain damage to the degree where they were refused from the army for being antisocial , after failing to flunk out of school despite no effort in his studies . Let's check his suicide note for some content

Please note that if I commit suicide today 89-12-06 it is not for economic reasons (for I have waited until I exhausted all my financial means, even refusing jobs) but for political reasons. Because I have decided to send the feminists, who have always ruined my life, to their Maker. For seven years life has brought me no joy and being totally blasé, I have decided to put an end to those viragos.

I tried in my youth to enter the Forces as an officer cadet, which would have allowed me possibly to get into the arsenal and precede Lortie in a raid. They refused me as [I was] asocial.

Thus it is an obvious truth that if the Olympic Games removed the Men-Women distinction, there would be women only in the graceful events. So the feminists are not fighting to remove that barrier. They are so opportunistic they [do not][note 2] neglect to profit from the knowledge accumulated by men through the ages. They always try to misrepresent them every time they can. Thus, the other day, I heard they were honoring the Canadian men and women who fought at the frontline during the world wars. How can you explain [that since][note 3] women were not authorized to go to the frontline??? Will we hear of Caesar's female legions and female galley slaves who of course took up 50% of the ranks of history, though they never existed. A real Casus Belli.

Of course, while this incel slop is innovative for the time (not really, everyone hates women), the shooting wasn't really that remarkable. It's not even the most deadly shooting in Canada, especially not nowadays. the actual impact of this is far worse: Feral white women.

And even worse: Feral french white women. Because women be crazy, and because an incel was the one shooting, Mister Mark Le Pine () catapulted white women into relevancy. The survivors formed together like a bunch of maggots on a corpse to form PolySeSouvient, the single biggest contributor to every dogshit arbitrary gun law Canada has, up to and including reading off guns from a copy of guns and ammo to put on the list (there's a shared typo )

The biggest example of this blatant foidery is Nathalie Provost, unremarkable white woman.

She's the reason it's federally funded, as she's paid by the glowies to be on the gun advocacy board - of course, there's no conflict of interest here, and she can't be considered a lobbyist as she's not directly paid by the group she helped found

Functionally every bill they've contributed to has been r-slurred in more ways than can be counted by man, with the literal only pushback being from the only group Canadians hold more dear than white women:

Heya Hoyas

natives in this country LOVE huffing gas and LOVE gubmernemnt gibs, but the only thing they love more is god's chosen slav slop: the SKS, meaning that's probably the only gun Canadians will ever be allowed to have, which is for some reason considered less deadly than can plinkers like 22lr 5 rounders , thankfully the white women are on the case, and are going to carve out exemptions for our heya hoya friends I love being a second class citizen! yipee!

To give context as to some r-slurred weapon bans that're explicitly named:

The Walther WA 2000: an 80k USD (so about 8 trillion CAD) semi auto rifle. there's only one in Canada and I don't think anyone was ever shot by one in north america

The 22LR Kriss Vector (5 round mags )

Semi Auto Conversions of the PPSH

The GSG-16

And more dumb bans Keep in mind that they previously had to fit within magazine limits (10rds for pistols, 5 for rifles) and have maximum muzzle energy capped

This is also on top of the mounties calling said GSG16 a semimachine gun

Remember leafs! no matter how much you hate quebec and white women it isn't enough!

Excellent post about this guy

Tl;dr he bought a defunct company (Murfie) that held onto peoples CDs and vinyl and tried to move it to an impoverished shithole in Arkansas because property value was cheap. The town drove him insane and methheads robbed him daily but he decided to buy up 1000 more properties anyway, most recently a 7 story school administrative building with no plan on what exactly to do with it. He has also tried to run for mayor there as a Libertarian and got arrested for throwing a tantrum at a city council meeting when they said he couldn't turn one of his abandoned warehouse properties into a go-kart track. He represented himself in court.

All of the property of Murfie has been sitting in a bunch of shipping containers while he runs around Hell on Earth acting like a retard. To be clear the average customer of Murfie is like 70 years old. The business would take a CD or vinyl from you and for a subscription fee allow you to listen to your CD or vinyl over a streaming service the entire concept is like something out of the dotcom boom. All of his videos have comments like this from confused customers.

Most of them have had to accept that this inventory is gone, had this dumbass not gotten involved it would have all likely ended up at a landfill anyway because nobody in their right mind would have purchased this company.

However there is one guy who really, really wants his CDs. @PontifierAR on Twitter (Formerly Chuck's) has this pinned to profile and has been dedicated to harassing him for the past five years.

After nearly FIVE Years, I think this sounds reasonable. Do you, #Murfie Customers? I think this is only fair. #JohnFenley doesn’t seem to know how to apologize and change behavior, so I thought I’d help him. #pinebluff #murfie #crossies #pontifier #lino #libertarianinnameonly pic.twitter.com/wibu01eNCW

— John Fenley - RETURN MONEY AND PROPERTY NOW! (@PontifierAR) June 16, 2024

He has several wordpress sites raging against John Fenley and Murfie and a schizophrenic Youtube channel.

John is active on Reddit as /u/Pontifier. At some point this guy made a Reddit account and would reply with some every time John would post about something. Eventually he responded.

This did not satisfy him. He commented again, John apparently was having a bad day and decided to unload

This has completely set the guy off

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The majority of these are reposts of John's comment with ranting

People that are assaulted are often blamed by the perpetrator as provoking it in various ways. This tactic is very common of perpetrators to their victims. I am the victim of #JohnFenley. He has the balls to blame me for what he did. #PineBluff #Murfie #Crossies #Pontifier pic.twitter.com/V2TLj8Pm8Q

— John Fenley - RETURN MONEY AND PROPERTY NOW! (@PontifierAR) December 1, 2024

THIS IS WHAT VICTIM BLAMING LOOKS LIKE!!!#JohnFenley #Pontifier #Murfie #Crossies #PineBluff pic.twitter.com/pryzKQaYUR

— John Fenley - RETURN MONEY AND PROPERTY NOW! (@PontifierAR) December 1, 2024

This could be interpreted as a threat or at a minimum letting me know he has the power to “lose” my disks. Either way he is now being crazy aggressive. He told me I would get my property and money back in 2020…it’s now almost 2025. #JohnFenley #Pontifier #PineBluff #Murfie pic.twitter.com/KEQjRShhYt

— John Fenley - RETURN MONEY AND PROPERTY NOW! (@PontifierAR) December 2, 2024

Get Your Very Own Asshat for #Christmas. It will show everyone who is the #asshat! I ordered mine and got the #BlackFriday deal! JohnFenley #PineBluff #Murfie #Crossies #Pontifier pic.twitter.com/CzG9LgcGun

— John Fenley - RETURN MONEY AND PROPERTY NOW! (@PontifierAR) November 29, 2024

I don't know what timezone he's in, but he's definitely American. His first tweets of the day are all around the same time. He is apparently waking up and thinking about the post first thing in the morning , seething about it throughout the day, and continues to well into the evening, likely shortly before going to sleep . It's safe to assume he dreams about this post as well.

There is hilarious schadenfreude in John's story but a lot of people here seem to root for him. There is something kind of endearing about his insane ambition even if it's delusional and extremely poorly thought out. But clearly his ability to make someone is unsurpassed. I have never made a post on the internet that upset a person as much as this one comment has. I kneel

The recent Destiny drama has been the gift that keeps on giving. Not only have we seen pictures of his gross peepee, video of him sucking someone else's gross peepee, and smoking gun evidence that he truly does frick every woman he associates with professionally even if he tries to be coy about it, but it also flared up a slapfight on Destiny's Kiwi Farms thread where most of these leaks first got posted, and the thread regulars had to deal with the Kiwi rank and file taking new interest in his thread.

Here we're focusing on one Kiwi Farms user by the name of Blav. He's by far the most productive poster in the Destiny thread, but he's also the most neurodivergent. His major highlights include:

• Being the first person to really go into detail on how close Destiny got with Lauren Southern and speculate about their affair with substance, something that has now been almost certainly proven

• Doxing the original Cuties respecter, mrgirl, by examining his videos for distinguishing house and neighborhood features, then combing through hundreds of house listings on real estate sites in his general area to find the correct address

• Keeping logs of everyone Destiny follows on Twitter and Instagram so he can figure out who was staying at Destiny's apartment in a given week

• Creating multiple sock puppet accounts so he could argue with himself because he believed Destiny was watching what he posted in the thread, and he wanted to throw off Destiny so he'd be more willing to publicly hint at his new girlfriend

• Blocking at least a thousand people in a Groomercord server one by one because he was looking for a specific message

• Getting bitched at by Null because he kept using random colors in his posts

That's all one post, by the way.

Moving on to the drama in the thread. If you haven't paid attention, most of the leaked DM's and sextapes came from the same source: a Groomercord user named Rose that Destiny sexted and overshared with, who gave her account over to another Groomercord user named Solo. Solo joined the site under the name SoloTinyLeaks and posted all the videos you might have seen and has also teased a few tidbits of information, the most intriguing being that he knows Rose's real age and that she lied about being 19 when she and Destiny first started sexting. According to Solo she was actually underage at the time, but he won't substantiate that any further out of fear of helping someone dox her.

A lot of people in that thread, Blav included, think Destiny likes to target naive young women because they're the easiest to woo. Blav says outright he believes Destiny is an ephebophile but also starts mixing in the word libertarian. He gets baited by a longtime Kiwi shitposter named Dynastia\Dyn into explaining why people might call Destiny a libertarian.

At this point he gets pissy and threatens to leave:

But of course he doesn't, since he has plenty of sock accounts he keeps signing in to new ones to argue with people in the thread. Will he actually leave forever? Who knows at this point, but he's managed to stay away from the farms for a whole 15 hours at the time of writing this.

All while that's going on, Dynastia is baiting others into arguing over what qualifies as pedophilia, Null is trying to be diplomatic and redirect the thread's energy to the women who had porn of them leaked (a scandal of far bigger substance), and a thread semi-regular named Green Meanie b-words at Null for bringing r-slurs into the thread. This triggers Null to lay down the law.

And that's about where we stand so far. The thread is a bit tense due to daddy Null having to scold people, but conversation seems to be returning to normal. No idea if or when Blav will return (he will), or if he's already back on a sock account no one has discovered yet (probably).

TL;DR the state of the KF Destiny thread:

!ranchers @arsey

This is like some overly complicated spy movie that developed over a month so it's pretty long, but literally nothing makes sense and things drastically changed from day to day so hopefully it's still an interesting read I'll use the same marseys to distinguish between the candidates and their respective parties to help everyone keep track

Quick background information that you should know

Romania was never a democracy and it will probably never be one either, it's a known 'secret' that the country is controlled by our secret services. After the revolution we never disbanded the secret service responsible for all the horrible shit happening during communism, we just asked them to stop killing people and left them to do whatever they were doing. So they just rebranded under a different name, retained all the control they had over the country and shaped the new 'democracy' and it's political landscape to fit their needs. Per capita, Romania has the most known secret service agents in EU, but the exact number of people employed is kept a secret, we just know that there are more than the official number. We don't even know how many glowie organizations we actually have since some of them are completely hidden, we just know that more organizations exist out there but nothing else. The secret services have no transparency and answer to no one, they have to give a briefing to the parliament about their activities every now and then, but beyond that no one can actually check on whatever they're doing. Obviously, there are a frick ton amount of conspiracy theories surrounding them and they are blamed for every unusual thing that happens in the country. And this is exactly what I'll be doing here

Second thing, we're an extremely docile nation who accepted pretty much everything those in power did over our history. Even during the revolution we calmed down immediately after killing Ceausescu and his wife, meaning that no one else was made to answer for the atrocities that happened during communism. Which is why the former generals and politicians still remain in politics today and why the secret services still control the country. So while reading this just remember that the population barely reacted to everything going on, aside from bitching on the internet a lot

On to the parties! We have three main political factions:

• the classic parties (PNL and PSD) They are the first parties established after the communism's fall and have people in all the state's institutions in order to control them. They are also known for closely working with the secret services and basically being owned by them. They make sure the glowie wishes are being fulfilled (for example it's accepted that the constant pro-EU and pro-NATO attitude Romania has has been enforced by the secret services) and in exchange they are allowed to steal as much tax money as they want. They have ruled for decades, each playing opposition to the other, while happily mooching money together. But they also neglected to do literally anything for the country so the population got increasingly fed up with them. While PNL started to fall to the side, PSD remains the biggest and strongest party in the country and is accused by every other party of manipulating the elections every single time. And yes, they actually do it every single time

• the woke parties (mainly USR) The party was created after people got fed up with the other parties for not doing anything to improve anyone's lives. They have modeled their program after the lib parties in Europe and America (mainly gay stuff but with some pro-Palestine messages too recently) but have libertarian tendencies. They infight a lot and split up in ever smaller parties all the time.

• the far right parties (AUR, SOS, POT) Newest and the most untested faction we have. Parties of all sorts of -ists, generally pro-Russia and anti-EU and NATO. Also lots of antisemitism, this will be important later. They argue a lot with each other but still try to form coalitions. All of them have been accused of being russian spies.

And lastly the candidates!

Lasconi

• Exceptionally stupid, has no idea on anything going on in the world despite wanting to become president

• Leader of the 'gay party' but tried to pretend to be trad and a christian. Nobody bought it.

• Believes that Israel should do a ceasefire because Hamas and Hezbollah are fighting each other in Gaza

Georgescu

• Massive schizo, internet conspiracy theorists could learn new conspiracies from him

• Independent, but part of the far right faction

• Believes romanian language was the one that created the latin language not vice versa

Ciolacu

• Average Eastern Europe politician - corrupt and with no actual principles, will change opinions to keep his power

• Leader of the biggest party in the country and the candidate with the most control over the institutions

• Doesn't know english despite wanting to be president and meet other world leader

Simion

• Closeted gay gypsy. Politely doesn't mention he's a gypsy so we mostly pretend we don't notice

• Leader of the AUR party

• Yes, aur as in gold. Gypsies will forever remain gypsies

Sosoaca

• Very fat and vey angry all the time. Will fight literally everyone at any moment, even her 'allies'

• Leader of SOS party, also yes named after her

• The last two aren't that important on their own, but since Georgescu basically didn't exist until voting started they were the most important representatives. Both fell to the side after Georgescu appeared

Before the elections

Quick note: we had two different elections recently, the presidential ones (in two parts) and the parliamentary ones. So, since we only vote on sundays, three weeks of voting in total.

• At this point in time Georgescu was completely unknow to anyone so the older parties were expecting to fight only two parties, both ruled by loud and stupid leaders. and parties have been mortal enemies for years while the are fighting both groups while also screaming at each other. Despite the rightoids slowly growing in power nobody thought they can do much in the elections.

• Sosoaca has been forbidden by the Constitutional Court to candidate for the president position because she made some 'unconstitutional' statements - anti EU/NATO and for some antisemitism. This is a huge breach of the Court's duties because they have nothing to do with how the elections are organized, other institutions are responsible for this. But the Constitutional Court answers to no one and their decisions are law (I'm sure you can see a pattern) so she got kicked out of the race despite all her angry screaming. The decision was later retracted but oops too late to rejoin the race

• The Constitutional Court is made from judges appointed by different parties, mostly the ones, so everyone was aware that are manipulating the elections again. But since Sosoaca is annoying and since she's suspected of working with Russia nobody really cared.

• In a rare public announcement SRI (main secret service organization for internal affairs) announced that the AUR party is suspected of having ties with Russia too. This wasn't news for anyone but it's nice to have an official confirmation I guess. But they also said the there is no proof of any external interference in any political candidate's campaign so they won't interfere with the elections in any way (it's still unclear if the last statement applied to Georgescu as well or not since he basically didn't exist at this point).

• Ciolacu who has been accused by everyone to work with Simion to win the elections reacted angrily to this. Basically, he'll support the party to reach the second voting session and there AUR will be this huge threat that will scare people into voting for Ciolacu in exchange of whatever political benefits he promised them after his win (like naming their leader prime minister). Anyway Ciolacu accused SRI of overstepping it's boundaries. They didn't react to this. Everyone else was angry that PSD is manipulating the elections again and even of risking Romania's security by working with a russian spy, while some even accepted that they'll manage to win. But beyond these points things moved on smoothly.

• This section is mostly important as a contrast to how the secret services and other political institutions reacted to potential russian spies (keep an eye out, open communications, quick decisions) and how they'll react from now on.

First presidential election!

• The battle was supposed to be between Ciolacu and Lasconi Ciolacu should win most votes inside Romania but Lasconi could beat him with the votes gathered from diaspora.

• A news article about a 'surprise' coffee house meeting between Ciolacu , Simion , the other party's leader and a secret service officer was written sometimes in the last weeks before the elections and someone rediscovered it. Lasconi's voters are annoyed. This is clear proof that PSD is once again manipulating elections.

• Voting happens and after that the counting starts. For awhile things were normal: Lasconi first, then Ciolacu, Simion and on the fourth place some independent candidate nobody heard about, Gergescu . Who is he and how the frick did he get so high?

• Then Georgescu climbed on the third place replacing Simion No seriously, who is this guy? Nobody heard of him.

• Then he dethroned Ciolacu from the second place. This was quite shocking because the idea of PSD not ending in the last presidential election tour was unthinkable. This were the last results most people witnessed before going to bed. The counting will go throughout the night and the official results would be announced in the morning. Lasconi's voters were naturally overjoyed.

• Morning came... and Georgescu was on the first place, way in front of the other candidates. just happened?

The week before the parliamentary elections

• The parliamentary elections happened a week after the first presidential elections. Obviously it was a very busy week after such a weird turn of events

• Everyone was confused as shit and started to search who the frick Georgescu even was. Turns out that he was a complete nutjob: he believes in all sort of new age shit (mystical energies, crystals, communicating with spirits, natural healing bullshit) every conspiracy theory out there (moon landing is false, covid is a hoax, aliens, jews control the word, satanic NWO, you name it), is very against NATO and EU to the point where he wants to pull Romania out of them, and praises Russia at any given opportunity while hating Ukraine and considering it a fake country. He also praised our version of Hitler and called him a hero

• So, where did this schizo came from? All of his campaign happened on TikTok. No media appearances, no poster, no fliers, nothing. He just gathered a following on TikTok through his insane ramblings and convinced these people to vote for him. Since he was deepthroating Russia's peepee left right and center, and since Russia is known for manipulating social media through an army of bots, everyone (aside from his voters) started to get worried that he's yet another russian spy trying to overthrow our democracy.

• Wtf are our secret services doing? What's the point of them eating so many of our taxes if they can't even defend the country from Russia? How could they miss this huge attack on our country? But every one of them remained silent and didn't react in any way to all this chaos.

• People started to get more confused and more videos of Georgescu saying insane shit were uncovered. More and more voices started to scream about russian interferences, but a few people pointed out an uncomfortable truth - PSD was always viewed as the party that supports the current political 'system' and USR as the anti-system candidates but that was when USR was founded. Now it's been years since then, USR won some important political positions and did nothing important with them or messed up... they've became part of the system just as much as PSD. The are voted mainly for being new faces against institutional corruption rather than because people agree with their insane positions. How do you earn these voters back now that they're about to throw Romania into Russia's arms out of spite?

• Vote observers from small villages came forth and said that PSD told them to count their votes to AUR's tally to propel them into the final round so he can have an easy win ("We fricking knew PSD is manipulating elections once again!" ). But it turns out that they were giving their votes to Georgescu as well. Wut? Did they know about him?

• Meanwhile Georgescu declared that he received zero money for his campaign and that he also spent no money during it (this is important for later). This lead to people saying that this is proof that Russia financed him in order to destabilized the country. Also multiple people were fined for still campaigning on the voting day with is illegal, and to everyone's annoyance Georgescu's supporters, who were doing it too, were completely unaffected

• Ciolacu and the leader of the other party stepped down from their leadership positions due to their embarrassing defeats (this will be important later on too).

• Now some weird accusations start to appear Sosoaca accused Georgescu of being a Mossad spy while an AUR member accused him of being a CIA asset instead. Both of these parties like to scream hysterically at everyone else so nobody really took them seriously. A former president known for his collaboration with the former communist secret services told everyone to calm down since there is no proof that Georgescu was financed by outside actors. He was actually financed by individual inside the country. Wtf does this means?

• Research into Georgescu's past revealed further oddities. Man was probably part of the old communist secret services (very few people were allowed to travel outside the country and despite being completely unremarkable he was allowed to go out multiple times), has been working with the KGB (to spy on them), has been a member of the Club of Rome (think tank for helping humanity develop sustainably or some shit, the important part that another romanian politician with ties to the secret services was there too), he was part of the UN and has been a freemason (for the last two he claimed that he left them because of all the evil shit happening inside the organisations). He also has been arrested in the past for his support of nazis but his cases were mysteriously closed with no explanation given

• A handful of r-slurs protested every day since Georgescu won the first tour but nobody cared

The recount and the slow death of Romania's democracy

• A few days after the official election results come in an independent candidate who only gained 1% of the votes decided to contest the elections despite having no chances to win. He wrote two different complaints, one against Lasconi and one against Georgescu The accusation against Georgescu was rejected because it was made after the three days limit expired, despite the complainer's insistance that he made the contestation in time. But the accusation against Lasconi was accepted. His declaration stated that in three different locations the votes that were supposed to go to Ciolacu were actually counted for Lasconi. The Constitutional Court once again overstepped it's boundaries and ordered for all the votes to be re-counted.

• At this point people were starting to get worried. Half of them were accusing PSD of preferring to burn down democracy rather than accept that they lost the elections for the first time (again, most of the judges appointed to the constitutional court came from the two main parties). Basically, since you didn't vote for our candidate we'll remake the elections until Ciolacu enters the final round. And since the difference between Ciolacu and Lasconi were really small while Georgescu was way ahead of both of them, it means that Lasconi will get kicked out of the race in favor of Ciolacu, which means a landslide victory for Georgescu due to the anti-system voters.

• The other half noticed that up til now everything happening favored Georgescu He avoided every possible consequence despite multiple irregularities in his campaign unlike other candidates (for example Sosoaca was pulled out of the race for saying milder shit than him) and all this scandal would further raise his popularity as the anti-system candidate. Is it possible that the secret services are actually protecting the nutjob? It would explain why they haven't done anything to stop him. They haven't even said anything to reassure the population that things are fine. Shit...

• Some politician made a petition for TikTok to be banned in Romania for the duration of the elections to prevent Georgescu from campaigning. People were torn between considering this yet another hit on democracy but enough of us were happy to do anything to stop Georgescu (same thing for the recount actually). The petition wasn't approved and later on he apologized for trying to shut down the funny videos app for everyone.

• Our secret services still said nothing at this point, and the EU decided to finally do something in their place. They called the owner of the application and demanded explanations for the bot filled campaign. Georgescu's voters got angry at this and said that this is proof that EU interferes in Romania's business and that we should distance ourselves form it. The investigation didn't reveal much, lots of bots, some russian but not all. No real proof of election interference

• Our current president finally decided to react to the panic and said that the secret services hadn't given him any warnings about Georgescu

• As a shock for everyone, Ciolacu came out and said that he disagrees with the Court's decision and that he'll pull out of the race if he's declared winner after the recount. B-but all this was supposed to be his plan to steal the election to enter the final round, wtf is going on? If he doesn't want this then who does? Predictably, most people realized that he's bullpooping and that he'll walk this back if he actually wins

• Now things get nasty. A weird facebook poster claimed that he was accidentally added to a mail list between multiple former secret service agents that were discussing using Georgescu to stage a coup. Basically the members of the former communist secret services were upset that the country distanced itself from Russia and wanted to forcefully bring us back into it's influence zone. One mail specifically said that we should become a satellite of China (?). Panic started to settle now, this was proof that at least some secret services wanted Georgescu to win and since they control the country then there's nothing we can do to stop them After this news people discovered that the parties (all of them) have the largest number of known former secret services officers as members, further cementing the conspiracy theories that our own secret services are dragging us all towards Russia

• Oddly enough Georgescu started to soften his positions. He declared that he doesn't actually wants to take us out of NATO and EU, he just wants us to stop agreeing unconditionally with everything they decide (like helping Ukraine), that America is Romania's most important partner, and despite being an actual nazi, he started sucking Israel's peepee hard. He said that on the first day after he's declared president he will move our embassy to Jerusalem, declare the arrest request for Bibi as unconstitutional and that he'll invite him to visit Romania, and that he'll not only make antisemitism a crime (it already is just not really enforced) but that he'll expand the definition of it as well You'd expect his nazi followers to be upset at that but they barely reacted at all. There were a few disappointed messages but they got over it in less than a day Leftists were more affected than them because muh war criminal muh genocide

• Anyway, moving on, we still have so much more to cover After the Israel stuff some guys noticed a few odd things about Georgescu's videos. He praised Orban and mentioned stuff about Romania tightening ties with Asia, which was also present in Orban's declarations. Since Orban, and a few other eastern european leaders, refused to arrest Bibi, since his speech mirrors Orban's, since he wants to remain an ally to Murica but wants to sever ties with Western Europe and since he has similar ideas of 'befriending' Russia as Trump, rumours started that Georgescu is an american and/or israeli spy. Basically, Trump wants to break ties with Western Europe but still wants to keep control of Eastern Europe and get it closer to Russia and China, who America will become friendlier towards, and Georgescu is meant to force Romania to play it's part in this plan. So, what where those accusations about him being a CIA/Mossad asset again?

• This didn't reassure anyone because Trump is already viewed as Putin's friend and OMG America is going to force us back under Russia, and how the frick is a shithole from Eastern Europe supposed to defend itself from the CIA and/or Mossad? Especially since our secret services, the ones supposed to protect us, seem to agree with all of this? At this point the general mood became depressed and fatalistic

• Rumours started that RFK jr and Tucker Carlson will come to Romania to show support for Georgescu Some journo even showed a letter from Murica's embassy in Romania with Trump's signature as proof. But nobody on murican side confirmed any of this. Later on, one of Trump's former campaign managers also hinted at coming to Romania for this but in a really vague way. Everyone was confused

• A new party appeared for the parliamentary race, POT, considered Georgescu's unofficial party. They had the exact same TikTok strategy as him, but if we can assume that Georgescu managed to hide long enough from the secret services through TikTok how did these guys slip through? Surely, at this point our secret services are aware of this electoral interference, right? Why aren't they stopping it?

• Leader of this new party visited Beijing at some point and promised that Romania will have closer ties with China if they win. Why is everyone trying to make us China's allies anyway, we didn't had much ties with them in the first place?

• Recounts start. Constitutional Court ordered all recounts to be done behind closed doors, with no camera or supervisors. Shit, it's happening, we're getting couped Ciolacu entering the final round won't help anyone since his party is completely controlled by the secret services and he won't do anything to fight their plans. Basically between him and Georgescu we're fricked no matter who wins

• Another handful of r-slurs gathered to protest but were quickly told to go home. Nothing else happened

• Oh, and that part about Gerogescu declaring zero donations and expenses? Turns out the institution responsible for checking up the candidates' campaign finances 'forgot' to publish the financial declarations for nearly a week, which is why his absurd declaration flied under the radar. Also, it's too late to do anything about it now, contestation time limit has long since passed

• But plot twists! Turn out RFK jr won't actually come to Romania, turn out Georgescu wasn't even a member of the Club of Rome, just part of some affiliated organization, and the same thing happened with his UN membership. Wtf, does this guy even exists at this point? But wait! He was actually part of the UN... but no one knows who appointed him there in the first place Clearly this is some glowie shit and we already know he was a glowie and that he's supported by glowies

The parliamentary elections

• These are actually the most important elections since the president barely has any power here. The parliament makes the laws. Candidate parties need to meet a certain voting threshold to win and the winners will make alliances with each other. While a dominant alliance that owns over 50% of the seats is preferred for a stable parliament we can have multiple smaller alliances negotiating each action, but that's a really unstable situation.

• The recounts are still going. Everyone is stressed and demoralized. Why do we even bother to vote if the Constitutional Court will just throw away the results again?

• Turns out the other party managed to get itself kicked out of the diaspora voting lists for not listing a woman candidate among their member lists. Funny lol r-slurs but once again, why is every happening favoring Georgescu ?

• Voting happens and the votes are counted. Because of PSD's bullshit not everybody can vote in these elections (you need to vote in the place you live in, so students or workers who travel for their jobs are eliminated) and diaspora's votes barely count. So the results now are different. All three factions failed to reach a majority. No matter what, the parliament is split in three and they need to negotiate with each other to make a majority

• Since diaspora's vote didn't count here PSD got most votes and become the most important player. No matter what, they will join the ruling alliance, and again the parliament actually controls the country not the president. This could be good or bad depending on whether they are actually trying to coup the country or if they just want to keep being able to steal tax money (later one means that they won't pull us out of EU) But if they ally with the parties and if Georgescu wins the presidency and if Georgescu appoints Ciolacu (or someone else from their party) as prime minister then together they will effectively control all parts of the country. And again, if the conspiracy theories with the secret services forcing us towards Russia is true then no one will be able oppose that plan

• Yet no one moved to make any alliance at this point since the recount haven't been finished and nobody even knows who can become president yet

Current situation!

• The recounts are finally finished! ...and nothing changed. All the panic and all the conspiracy theories were in vain. The second tour of the presidential elections will go without any changes - pro EU Lasconi vs pro-Russia Georgescu Last voting session will still happen this weekend But then what was the point of all this bullshit and chaos? Best anyone can come up with is that PSD tried to steal the first elections but either failed or waited to see how the parliamentary elections faired to settle on one strategy. And since they basically won the important election there's no point in remaking the first elections. Politicians

• Ciolacu revealed that he won't actually step down as PSD's leader. What a surprise Everyone is waiting to see who PSD will support both as president and as an ally for the parliament but they still haven't decided. Shit maybe they do actually want to ally with ?

• Until this point our secret services still said absolutely nothing about the situation, so Lasconi finally gathered the courage to do something that should have been done since the beginning: ask them directly what the frick is happening here She made a petition for them to make public the files they have on Georgescu Which they agreed (but only gave a rapport rather the actual files)

• It don't reveal much: some 'state actors' helped promote him on TikTok in a way that proved that they were very familiar with the algorithm and with how to keep themselves hidden from the state. The campaign had lots of similarities with the disinformation campaigns happening in Ukraine and the election interference happening in Moldova, both carried by Russia. But they don't name Russia as Georgescu's backers directly. Still, it's clear that Russia was behind this right? The secret services just can't reveal everything and endanger national security, yeah? The cops have decided to finally start investigating Georgescu and the media is calling him a traitor. Ciolacu came out and officially said that he supports Lasconi for president and that his party will join with her party and the other parties to form a pro- west parliamentary majority in order to block out the parties. It's finally over and Romania is saved

• Well, you see, it's too late to remove the russian asset from the presidential race since the contestation time window is over and we can't kick him out any longer Yes, he might be a literal traitor trying to sell the country to Russia, so what?

• Plus the files also revealed that the secret services were aware of Georgescu's campaign and his ties with Russia all this time. Good thing they aren't incompetent, right? I mean, they literally rule the country But then, why didn't they do anything until it was too late to kick him out of the race? Why the frick aren't them kicking him out now? He's a literal russian agent that betrayed his country to serve Russia and frick us all, surely there must be some exceptions to the 'too late' rule The president knew too, and Ciolacu (current prime minister) revealed that he was also aware of this but couldn't say anything since it was a state secret... but why didn't he at least throw his support for Lasconi earlier? He could have done this without revealing anything else... What is going on? Why isn't anyone doing anything?

• Besides, despite making an official alliance with the pro-EU parties, PSD can still either break the alliance at a later date and join the parties, vote alongside the pro-Russia parties despite their promise, and even if Lasconi wins the parliament can force her out of her position and call for new elections. Plus the parliament is more important than the president and they have the biggest share of it... maybe those conspiracy theories were right after all?

• The police and other authorities said that they received no warning for Georgescu no message or documents, nothing despite the secret services having files on him for who knows how long. They are just as shocked as anyone else. Even if they start investigating him now it might take awhile to arrest him. The elections might be done already. Sure, they could still cancel his mandate on treason charges, probably, but will they? And what does 'state actors' even means? It could just mean our secret services. And even if they specifically mean foreign state actors, we can go back to the CIA/Mossad conspiracy theory

• Are we still getting couped? Do they care so little about our opinions that they will tell us straight to our face that we'll join Russia and that there's nothing we can do about it?

Today

I wrote all this yesterday, so here are the latest developments

• Gergescu is still in the race. Yes, there are hints that some secret services support Georgescu , presumably the others are against him... hopefully

• We have notified NATO, EU and our neighbours that there were hostile foreign interferences into our elections

• A criminal investigation on him by multiple institutions has started, but it's unclear if it will help with anything. What will happen if he wins the election?

• EU demanded TikTok to not delete his campaign data

• The guy who demanded a recount came back and asked for both elections to be cancelled. Nobody knows what's his problem

• America asked us if we're ok. We still don't have an answer to this question.

• No seriously, why aren't they arresting him yet? Why didn't they actually do anything all this time?

So, this sunday I'll go vote in an election that might have it's winner already decided or might just get cancelled after the votes are counted An one of the candidates is an admittedly traitor to the country. And last week's elections might have been the last real elections I voted in, even if Georgescu loses this is the perfect opportunity for PSD to tighten it's control over the country even more But the whole shitshow is still going strong so I'll keep you up to date

But he has got used to handling firearms. "Anyone can shoot," he says. "It's hitting the target I'm not so good at."The situation on the front lines is widely accepted to be as difficult as at any time since the early days of the war, with many fearing a significant Ukrainian retreat may soon be inevitable.

That guy has some top tier humour

I always find it wild that there are people who claim to be "pro-Ukrainian" but completely ignore the reality of the situation ( just go to worldnews). I was shocked reading a story ( in the Kyiv Post!) about how at least ~100,000 Ukrainian civilians have returned to occupied territory. They fly to Russia then go via land back home.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/42704

In the literal article it explained the reasons why people were returning because it interviewed the people returning. And mostly it was due to them just not being able to live in Ukraine. Nowhere to live, no support from the government and skyrocketing food prices

So they moved to Russia because it's simply easier to live there for them.

It's interesting seen Redditors realising things ain't looking good for Ukraine

And as always when bodies are traded

🇺🇦🇷🇺‼️🚨 502 vs 50 Ukraine and Russia exchanged the bodies of fallen soldiers.

Russia handed over the remains of 502 Ukrainian soldiers, Ukraine - about 50 Russian.

According to the Ukrainian Coordination Headquarters for the Treatment of Prisoners of War:
- 397 died in the… pic.twitter.com/4ykJnWh9M7

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) November 29, 2024

Ukraine gets way more bodies like every single exchange.

Here previous exchange

Ukraine and Russia have again exchanged the bodies of killed soldiers. The two warring nations’ latest repatriation of remains sent home the bodies of 563 Ukrainian soldiers and 37 Russian soldiers. https://t.co/BJhc9Lvt5n

— Meduza in English (@meduza_en) November 8, 2024

Meduza is pro western

This is from October

But best part Biden administration now telling Ukrainian to lower the mobilisation age to 18

I wrote before that at one point khohols will hate west more than Russian and it's slowly happening.

Ukraine was promised by Boris Johnson that they will win. But now Ukraine is in worse situation than in 2022 and it desperately trying to regain 2022 March situation to sign a peace deal. Than west telling them to kill them self by mobilising their future that they already almost lost. Just look objectively, boy that is today 18 was 15 when it started, his parents probably brought him to EU where he is finishing school/starting college. So age group 18-21 has huge hole and after the first time to mobilisation age was lowered, desertion went up and now there are daily attacks on mobilisation organisation.

Also they tried to get help from Korea even by creating that story of North Koreans are about to attack Ukraine at any moment for 2 months now.

🇰🇷🚫🇺🇦 South Koreans remain widely opposed to directly supplying arms to Ukraine, recent polls show, despite renewed international requests from Kyiv and allied capitals after North Korean troops were reported to be helping Russia, - Reuters pic.twitter.com/Jehl8JpV1H

— MAKS 24 🇺🇦👀 (@Maks_NAFO_FELLA) November 27, 2024

Majority of Ukrainian now are ready to sign a deal with Putin and don't want to fight anymore.

Kurakhove is good as gg. Ukraine did put some of its elite soldiers to hold it but it made Velyka Novosilka weaker

Russian will turn this city in to a FOB

Russian will get this territory with ease under its control and go after Pokrovske (don't confuse with Pokrovsk) capturing of Pokrovske will cuck Zaphorochie city and help Russia isolating it.

In north Russian crossed oskol river in multiple points

Basically annulation of the great Kharkiv counteroffensive greatest achievements

Chasiv yar is also in shit

Toretsk is last true OG fortress under Ukraine and things don't look good

Zelenskyy even fired his ground force general today and replaced him

🇺🇦 Zelenskyy appointed Mykhailo Drapatoy as the new commander of the Ground Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

In 2022, he was in charge to capture the right-bank Kherson region, and in 2024 to defend the Kharkiv region and to stop the Russian offensive.

Drapatiy is a combat… pic.twitter.com/oCWcMlaGcP

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) November 29, 2024

Ukraine now is in giga shit situation. Ukraine in their best case scenario with lowering mobilisation age can get 250k men. When they lowered from 27 to 25 they expected 500k men. There was some logic behind why in 25-27 are more people than in 18-25

Their demographic is frick up.

But let's assume they decide to do it and it's absolutely best case scenario. For Russian that means 250k Ukrainian man till total attrition war victory. Russia will get whole Ukraine.

They fricking dreaming about 2022 March deal now. But western media tries telling them it was bad deal

So Trump peace deal won't work. Zelensky can't sign a document that will officially give Russian Crimea. Putin won't agree on anything other than official recognition. Giving Ukraine more weapons won't do shit, they got over 1000 tanks from west, ammunition they are getting are straight out factories, they got like 80% of western air defence ammunition, we now don't even get reports what Ukraine is getting because probably over half of m777 are in Ukraine and over 800 Bradley's no other nato country except US is as well equipped as Ukraine yet they failed to liberate a single town with all that gear.

Also west now don't tell what Ukraine is receiving so guys like this one can cope

When simple Wikipedia that shows the absolute minimum. States clearly more than 167 leopards 2

It won't be a surprise if Ukraine operates the most leopards per country. But for people like that guy it's easier to cope that if Ukraine receives its 38rd leopard it's going to win. With abrams the situation was more r-slurred, Russian captured like 10 abrams and visually fully destroyed 30 so -40 abrams and Ukraine officially only got 31 so they decided to bump it to 80 but it's clearly over 100.

So giving more weapons won't change anything Russian are now stronger they drone mog Ukrainian by x20. Ukraine won't liberate anything. Their main problem is they are out of men. For a lot of Ukrainians now it's even better to live infer Putin than die under Zelenskyy.

They kinda have no way out. If they decide to sign a July 2024 Putin deal, Putin will offer a new deal that they can't sign so it's grinding time for them.

The moral of story, it's important to know when to stop gambling. Defeating Russian in Kiev was already a miracle for them. But they thought it was their skills and they will defeat Russian

There is a saying

/ Otto von Bismarck

Beautiful that it was posted on September 2023

When @pizzashill coped with counteroffensive

Edit just now

This is also interesting cope.

500 Patriot missiles that were build this year went straight to Ukraine for free so in some ways the money went to Ukraine and to weapons factories owners and the losers were tax payers

Great, so Congress is taking money from poor Americans to give it to rich Americans—who happen to own a piece of the military-industrial complex https://t.co/bN56DUisdd

— Mike Lee (@BasedMikeLee) November 29, 2024

Like for real how did media and gov was able to sell this bs as something good it's like average citizen knows nothing about economy

The tone is dark, even angry.

"The situation is getting worse every day."

"We don't see the goal. Our land is not here."

I wrote multiple times that Ukraine is holding Kursk territory in hope that they get to exchange it for something.

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That what they roughly lost since they hold Kursk territory

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Kursk territory is more zoomed as you see on marks and there is literally nothing there except Sudzha had 6k people so no more than 10k lived in territory.

Kursk oblast has 36/km2 people and 2200/km2 in Kursk

Donetsk oblast 160/km2 its most populous oblast in Ukraine (Kiev is not oblast tho)

And metallurgy wise Donbas is like super important to Ukraine

Russian now reached shevchenko that means just a bit push to north and this will happen:

Oleksandr Kalenkov, head of Ukraine's steelmakers' association, said the loss of the Pokrovsk mine, the only domestic source of coking coal, could cause steel production to slump.

"We could make up to 7.5 million metric tons of steel by the end of the year and, for next year, we saw an increase in production to over 10 million," Kalenkov told Reuters.

"But if we lose Pokrovsk, then ... we will fall to 2-3 million tons."

It's very big deal because during conflicts, since metal and coke is used to produce weapons so wiping out 70-80% of your enemy metal production is big deal

"We don't know where to get coal if Pokrovsk is seized," he told Reuters. "It is difficult to bring it in by importing; today it is not so easy to bring it in by sea."

Ukraine produced more than 4.3 million tons of rolled steel products in January-August 2024, of which 66% were exported. EU countries accounted for 72% of the volume exported, according to the steelmakers' union.

So as you see it becomes costlier to support Ukraine. Now not only EU won't buy cheap steel from Ukraine but they also will need to support Ukraine with steel so they could produce weapons and it will be a b-word to do.

And Ukraine got in such situation because they decided to send all their elites to Kursk. Probably to capture the nuclear power plant because Ukraine also has problem with electricity so losing coal is extra damage. They failed at it, logical move would been to pull back when it was clear they won't capture it. So when best Ukrainian units were banzaing in Kursk oblast. Pokrovsk front got wrecked.

Almost four months after Ukrainian troops launched a lightning offensive into the Russian region of Kursk, text messages from soldiers fighting there paint a dismal picture of a battle they don't properly understand and fear they might be losing.

They speak of dire weather conditions and a chronic lack of sleep caused by Russia's constant bombardment, which includes the use of terrifying, 3,000kg glide bombs.

The first week Ukraine lost tons of AD including multiple patriots. Around March Russian got new lancet drones that had more range than patriots so pulling AD close to the front line is easy way to lose it. So Ukrainian are in Russian territory literally without AD. So strategically Russia had no reason to rush pushing Ukrainian out. And that story about NK ended up being fake and only genius like @pizzashill believed in it. Reason for NK story was that west is running out of ammo and SK had tons of it so khohols politician who are clearly r-slurs and don't understand Asia thought story of NK would push SK supporting Ukraine but they recently closed all help to Ukraine and told them hard no.

@pizzashill here another shit you'll believe

They're also in retreat, with Russian forces gradually retaking territory.

"This trend will continue," Pavlo wrote on 26 November. "It's only a matter of time."

Legendary high moral.

Pavlo spoke of immense fatigue, the lack of rotation and the arrival of units, made up largely of middle-aged men, brought directly from other fronts with little or no time to rest in between.

To hear soldiers complain - about their commanding officers, orders and lack of equipment - is hardly unusual. It's what soldiers often do in difficult circumstances.

Ukraine now losing in every front including Kursk and they pulling men out of other front much more important than Kursk. To hold some field in Kursk.

Also important note, this year was very green (grassy) so Ukrainian used the forest to attack Kursk oblast but during wonder leaves falls so they can't really hide or build fortifications.

Some questioned whether one of the operation's initial goals - to divert Russian soldiers from Ukraine's eastern front - had worked.

It absolutely has, pull more Ukrainian soldiers from all other fronts

The orders now, they said, were to hang onto this small sliver of Russian territory until a new US president, with new policies, arrives in the White House at the end of January.

"The main task facing us is to hold the maximum territory until Trump's inauguration and the start of negotiations," Pavlo said. "In order to exchange it for something later. No-one knows what."

I'll comment about it later because it's just a bit to much of a

President Zelensky indicated that both sides had the change of US administration in mind.

"I am sure that he [Putin] wants to push us out by 20 January," he said.

You know the beautiful part about Zelensky he always says that Putin want to capture X by some date

Also he told about bakhmut and etc.

When we didn't got even a single time confirmed by Putin.

In an effort to help Ukraine thwart Russian counterattacks in Kursk, the US, UK and France have all permitted Kyiv to use long-range weapons on targets inside Russia.

It doesn't seem to have done much to lift spirits.

"No-one sits in a cold trench and prays for missiles," Pavlo said.

Wrong Redditors are praying from their desktop trench

In October alone, Russia was able to occupy an estimated 500 sq km of Ukrainian territory, the most it's taken since the early days of the full-scale invasion in 2022.

In November they took more

And high chances that December will be even more since 3 key cities are going gg

A recent report states that Russian forces seized the entirety of the Toretsk central mine and the three adjacent terykons. The Toretsk mine is one of two main Ukrainian strongholds in the city, with the other one being the rest of the city centre. pic.twitter.com/i6lXtR9TOM

— AMK Mapping 🇺🇦🇳🇿 (@AMK_Mapping_) December 3, 2024

Toretsk is as good as gone

Toretsk, Ukraine.

The plague of Russian fascism is coming. pic.twitter.com/sXw4BjUv1c

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) December 4, 2024

This is also a good proof since every time Ukraine is about to lose a city they crying about the city being destroyed

Russian already captured Komar so Novasylka now has no roads leading to that city (western road is also cut)

🇷🇺⚔️🇺🇦The situation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is critical: The Russian army has taken Stari Terny and is squeezing pincers near Kurakhove!

▪️Ukrainian military analyst and propagandist B. Miroshnikov publishes another alarming report on the new successes of the RF Armed… pic.twitter.com/DnqEbBaYCx

— ⏳Towhee 🌏☮️ (@amborin) December 3, 2024

The fight in Kurakhove is now in the power plant so at the outskirts of the city.

And despite weeks of reports suggesting that as many as 10,000 North Korean troops have been sent to Kursk to join the Russian counter-offensive, the soldiers we've been in contact have yet to encounter them.

@pizzashill where are north Korean troops ?

🇬🇧🇺🇦🇷🇺‼️🚨 BREAKING: DAILY MAIL PUBLISHES FAKE ABOUT NORTH KOREANS!

I added the original picture. pic.twitter.com/uNDloeVBde

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) December 4, 2024

"I haven't seen or heard anything about Koreans, alive or dead," Vadym responded when we asked about the reports.

The Ukrainian military has released recordings which it says are intercepts of North Korean radio communications.

Soldiers said they had been told to capture at least one North Korean prisoner, preferably with documents.

They spoke of rewards - drones or extra leave - being offered to anyone who successfully captures a North Korean soldier.

They treating North Koreans like call of duty kill steaks

"It's very difficult to find a Korean in the dark Kursk forest," Pavlo noted sarcastically. "Especially if he's not here."

@pizzashill

Veterans of previous doomed operations see parallels in what's happening in Kursk.

From October 2023 until July this year, Ukrainian forces attempted to hold onto a tiny bridgehead at Krynky, on the left bank of the Dnipro River, some 25 miles (40km) upstream from the liberated city of Kherson.

The bridgehead, initially intended as a possible springboard for advances further into Russian-held territory in southern Ukraine, was eventually lost.

The operation was hugely costly. As many as 1,000 Ukrainian soldiers are thought to have been killed or gone missing.

The ironic part it was UK who planed this mission

🚤🇺🇦 Great Britain convinced Ukraine to start an operation on the left bank of Dnipro river in Krynky in 2023, — UP

❗️The maximum task was the departure of AFU to the border with Crimea. The minimum task was to expand the bridgehead on the left bank, cut the M-14 highway 5-7 km… pic.twitter.com/gvHnJFfi6y

— MAKS 24 🇺🇦👀 (@Maks_NAFO_FELLA) November 18, 2024

Military analysts insist that for all the hardship, the Kursk campaign continues to play an important role.

"It's the only area where we maintain the initiative," Serhiy Kuzan, of the Ukrainian Security and Cooperation Centre, told me.

They just at start of the article told Ukraine is losing ground in that direction and showed maps and this guy comes and says they have the initiative

And here comes the BEST PART

You see Zelenskyy assumes Trump will come on January 20 and the whole front will freeze. He thinks Putin doesn't see Zelenskyy goal. But the reality is Burger politician basically don't work in December and January and then work very half assed in February. From January 20 to January 27 Trump will be just partying and receiving calls from different world leaders, then he will need to appoint a date to talk with Putin and Zelenskyy. Even if we assume Putin wants to freeze the conflict it will take MONTHS. But Putin don't need it and he has tons of buttons to prolong it and one important button is, Zelensky need to become legal before Putin would talk to him and that's not what Zelensky would want to play because there is huge chances he loses the power. So whole plan of holding Kursk territory to exchange it for something is giga low iq.

Zelensky was also angry last week at western media for saying Ukraine lost 70k men

More than 100,000 soldiers have been charged under Ukraine's desertion laws since Russia invaded in

So Zelenskyy is still suggesting that Ukraine lost only 31k and most are civilians while at same time having over 100k deserters

Putin sees this, everything shows Ukraine is in shit. Wisest move would been if Zelensky told today hey we giving those full 5 oblast including parts that are under our control to Russia for peace deal.

And giga jfl and ISW homos who were always telling us if Ukraine loses something that it ain't important and soon Russian advances will lose tempo

4/ Russian advances through Hrodivka will likely slow as Russian forces begin to fight through the settlement's more urban areas, and Russian forces may struggle to maintain their current tempo of advance as they attempt to advance further west to Myrnohrad (just northeast of… pic.twitter.com/s7CpOuInst

— Institute for the Study of War (@TheStudyofWar) August 21, 2024

6/ ...although Russian forces may struggle to maintain their current offensive tempo into the future if Russian authorities conduct additional redeployments from reserve forces in Donetsk Oblast.

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, Sept. 13, 2024: https://t.co/SEKJTxxS1R pic.twitter.com/ydW78gWisn

— Institute for the Study of War (@TheStudyofWar) September 14, 2024

This how Redditors now coping while

This is the reality. But Zelenskyy needs nato but nato don't want Ukraine so nato is thinking about alternatives like making Ukraine like Germany during Cold War or bringing peace forces into Ukraine.

Those all are fantastic ideas but they are coming from homosexuals that planned the isolation of Russia and strategical defeat of Russia on battlefield.

So they don't realise Putin started it because he don't want Ukraine in nato or any nato soldiers in Ukraine. He survived the majority of EU hardware, giving Ukraine 600 Taurus won't do shit or Tamohawks

Russian even planning to cross dniper.

🇺🇦⚔️ Ukraine’s allies have shifted their focus from seeking a victory to trying to put Zelensky in the best position to counter Russian advances or negotiate a possible ceasefire, - Bloomberg

❗️The discussion includes the kind of security guarantees that would protect Ukraine,… pic.twitter.com/c9AtHbIemq

— MAKS 24 🇺🇦👀 (@Maks_NAFO_FELLA) December 4, 2024

This what homo that for 3 years been posting Ukraine is winning

And seems like Biden team r-sluration didn't stoped with 11 years of pardon to Hunter

They want to give Russian frozen assets to Ukraine that's literally stealing and giga low iq move. US is showing the world that its banks can't be trusted and they can change rules at will. But they ain't planning to do it they just want to sell bs to US citizens. They saying they giving that money as loan to Ukraine. In other words that's not Russian money, Biden team just gives Ukraine 50 billions as loan. Ukraine will never pay back and US citizens will be forced to pay Russian back.

This is also good example why mobilisation won't work. Ukraine doesn't have many young boys and statistics like this always try to paint a more favourable picture for Ukraine.

Also do you remember how happily you were when Ukrainian women were refugees telling how they bring young women and children ?

We got more Ukrainian 35-39 post wall roasties than 18-30 year old foids and if we count 30+ post wall roasties it will be multiple times more than all younger groups. And you know what those roasties bring ? Economical damage. An average or below average 35 year old Pier, Pedro, Peter can easily get foid his age. So we got more goods that was already offered more than it was demanded

Introduction

Let me just preface this by saying this will be an incredibly long post that will most likely look like shit because the formatting on this site is as hard as getting people to respond to my messages so in case you just want to read the list there's a link to the complete list somewhere in this. Also, I need to edit this like twenty times or so so wish me luck. Also, I cannot guarantee that I didn't make a mistake somewhere so in case you feel robbed or I missed something maybe you're right but this was not as easy as I initially thought.

Awards

We'll start with some awards because why not and some of you people deserve to be awarded for your achievements. All of you will receive 1000 coins!

Unfunniest Answer

On his quest to maximize all his stats our favourite skeleton (@Lv999_Lich_King) forgot to also grind out his funny level but I guess this is what simping for hil gets you.

Biggest R-slur

Normally I'd include like 15 people here but nobody was as r-slurred as the Albanian sensation dua lipa (@not-dua-lipa).

Worst Format

Nothing can beat this terrible format and nobody can actually parse this. @loli_esports stop posting shirtless pics online and maybe try being a bit more concise

Most Games Mentioned

@ACA with 15.

@MayflyAlt98 was at least nice enough to post his top 5 and then a bunch of honorable mentions so he only got 13

Guest Judge

I had our beloved friend @Retaaaard hand out eight different awards and here are the winners! All of which will receive 2500 coins woah!

Biggest Zoomer - @JihadiMourinho

Meme Game Enjoyer - @Zenzic

Biggest Boomer - @BigPizzashillHunter, @Wuzizname

Biggest Normie - @geese_suck

Biggest Millenial - @seething_song

Biggest Current Thing Enjoyer - @dramapus

Biggest Nintendrone - @FatR-slur

Assumptions

• The ordering of games in the lists was not taken into consideration. Thus there is no weighting process involved. I did this so people who have mentioned less than 5 games weren't heavily penalized or couldn't put more emphasis on their picks.

• Choosing more than five games led to me using a randomizer to select exactly five games. Sometimes I wrote the user back if they are fine with the choices and sometimes I didn't. I cannot be bothered to do this if you fail to read the (badly written) instructions. Also, I had to ignore your 'honorable mentions' or 'important shoutouts' no matter how much I or you liked those mentions. Also, giving you five choices is already incredibly generous already and you people need to be more decisive!

• Original/Remake/Complete Edition were counted as different versions except for The Binding of Isaac because five people gave five different answers and I couldn't be bothered to clean them up.

• I grouped expansions, add-ons, DLCs, mods, patches, stages, and basically whatever else you can think of into the main game. I know this isn't ideal but what am I supposed to do

• This sucked especially for MMOs but here we are

Data Acquisition

The List

There will be some reviews/descriptions of the games here by some of our favourite users.

Votes = 3

• alpha centauri

• civilization 4

• civilization 5

• civilization 6

• deep rock galactic

• destiny 2

• diablo 2

• doom 2

• dwarf fortress

• europa universalis 4

• fallout 3

• final fantasy 6

• fortnite

• ftl faster than light

• grand theft auto 5

• grand theft auto vice city

• halflife 2

• halo reach

• hearthstone

• kerbal space program

• noita

• planetside 2

• rollercoaster tycoon 2

• satisfactory

• space station 13

• super mario bros. 3

• super metroid

• the legend of zelda links awakening

• the sims 3

• undertale

We have our first review by our beloved berzel: @SpaceMilk - Undertale:

Undertale is an artisan's labor of love among mass-produced commodities, a game whose reputation has unfortunately been tarnished by terminally online types. Look past its associations and the simple childlike aesthetic and you will find a rich RPG that is enthralling through its piece-by-piece jigsaw-puzzle storytelling that lends itself to many epiphanies, jaw droppers, and tearjerking. I must clarify that it is a tearjerker not in the sad cheap Oscar-bait manner, but in a romantically layered fashion through gradual attachment to a very memorable cast. It brought me to tears both in displays of tragedy and - more importantly - displays of loving friendship.

If you love anything that is meticulously handcrafted by one passionate man's vision, or a thrilling and winding story, or you're snowed in and want to warm your heart by the metaphorical fireplace, or you like video game OSTs (seriously, for an 8-bit album it really sets the mood!) then do yourself a favor and give Undertale a shot.

• vampire the masquerade bloodlines

• victoria 2

Votes = 4

• ace combat 0

Our Portuguese sensation wrote about this favourite plane game even though he isn't a plane neurodivergent: @Transgender_spez - Ace Combat 0:

Ace Combat Zero is a game with exhilarating gameplay, gripping storyline, memorable characters, the storytelling is an immersive experience and told by hearing radio chatter from both enemies and allies, as you and your wingman "Pixy" grow your legend the enemy forces as a whole grow more aware of your presence and even give you a baddass nickname (Demon Lord), the story is unashamedly cliche and over the top and I love it for that. The game's epic music enhances the intense aerial combat, and its replayability ensures endless enjoyment.

In conclusion highly recommend playing and emulating this PS2 classic on PC for an unforgettable gaming experience.

• bloons tower defense 6

• dark souls 2

• doom [1993]

• garrys mod

• hades

• hollow knight

• league of legends

• left 4 dead 2

• mass effect 1

• monster hunter world

• nier automata

• slay the spire

• starcraft

• super mario galaxy

• the elder scrolls 4 oblivion

• the legend of zelda a link to the past

• the legend of zelda breath of the wild

• the legend of zelda ocarina of time

Votes = 5

• chrono trigger

• disco elysium

None other than @_____ choose Disco Elysium:

I am playing Disco Elysium, it’s a very good game and many dramacels will see them self in the protagonist. The protagonist is 40 year old alcoholics who often talks with him self and tries to find meaning in his life, but I won’t spoil the game. I will just give

1 reason why the game is good.

Dasha is voice actor in this og version of the game

• grand theft auto san andreas

• halo 3

• mass effect 2

• mount and blade warband

• resident evil 4

• stellaris

• super mario world

• the binding of isaac

• the legend of zelda the wind waker

• thief 2

Our favourite boomer @sirpingsalot selected Thief 2:

Thief 2 (and its predecessor, Thief) are games where powerful forces clash, but one man with the right skillset can change the balance of power. What is that skillset? Not the ability to carve through dozens of enemies, but the ability to go places and discover things without being seen, heard, or sensed. In most other games, violence is a fundamental part of gameplay, but in the Thief series, it is a sign of clumsiness: the highest level of accomplishment in the Thief series is to get through the entire game completely undiscovered, accomplishing your goals without leaving any evidence of your nefarious activities. Thief players refer to this as "ghosting" because from the perspective of your targets, you are a phantom. This gameplay approach of using stealth rather than violence was revolutionary when the Thief series first came out and has seldom been replicated, even to this day.

The protagonist of Thief - Garrett - is a cynical man who would fit in well with the shitposters of rdrama. He has a shuttered personality: his enemies frequently talk, but Garrett prefers to listen and act. One of the subtle joys of the series is hearing one of Garrett's infrequent observations about his targets as he studies them from afar, looking through the pieces of their lives and psychoanalyzing them from a distance, just as we players psychoanalyze Garrett himself.

• total war warhammer 3

• yakuza 0

Votes = 6

• age of empires 2

• bioshock 1

Nothing will happen in 2 weeks but according to @Sal a lot happened in Bioshock 1:

Bioshock is one of the best games ever made because everything it sets out to do it does right. The symbolism, the writing, the characters, the athmosphere, the soundtrack, the gameplay. It's a great successor to System Shock 2 as well, it adapts everything good about it while also streamlining the more niche/janky aspects.

Pd: Andrew Ryan did nothing wrong.

• counterstrike 1.6

None other than our favourite and most notorious lurker @getogeto wrote about CS 1.6:

• dishonored 1

One of the biggest vidya enjoyers (@Robert_Edwin_House ) wrote about Dishonored 1:

Dishonored combines the versatility-oriented design philosophy of Arkane Studios with a hopelessly dreadful atmosphere of a plague-ridden Victorian-era city to create one of the most memorable immersive sims of the last decade. Streamlined enough for consoles, while still maintaining respect for the player’s intelligence - Dishonored proudly sits in the golden middle between causality and elite gayming. The aesthetics and atmosphere submerge you in a diseased and grimy world, the darkness of which manages to stay in your mind for far longer than the game itself lasts. Shall we gather for whiskey and cigars tonight?

• divinity original sin 2

Here's @box - Divinity: Original Sin 2

The inventory system in Divinity: Original Sin II is fricking stupid. You loot heavy shit for money and the game buries you with random-butt crafting items for later. Imagine a pillow fort but it's big-butt unmarked barrels and chests. Also you can't visit that spot any more once the next chapter starts so you gotta do it again. I also like how the game makes you insta-wipe randomly so you're forced to save every ten seconds. The character customization is fetch though.

• dragon age origins

And our favourite Dino enjoyed @Cdace - Dragon Age Origins:

Dragon Age: Origins is one of the last great BioWare RPGs to be released. While the mechanics are a simplified version Baldur’s Gate’s, the game truly comes to life with its RPG mechanics. With top tier party banter; actual impactful decisions; and, as stated in the name, the most unique aspect is your race and class will complete change your Act 1 will play out. With six unique origins that can completely change the course of your story, it makes for a fun and highly replay-able RPG which is a truly rare gem.

• red dead redemption 2

• the witcher 3

• warcraft 3

Nobody glows as hard as @UraniumDonGER and he picked Warcraft 3 and wrote the following:

Warcraft 3 is a real time strategy game about Elves, Humans, Orcs and Undeads battling it out. Created by Blizzard when it was in its high prime. Warcraft 3s uniqueness comes from the integrated RPG elements by letting you level up Hero units and have them equip items. WC3 has one of the strongest modding communities in game history with a build in editor. It was so good that the community created games like Dota, Footman Frenzy and various Tower Defense games which inspired a plethora of modern games to this day.

Votes = 7

• crusader kings 2

Our football legend @Avalon selected Crusader Kings 2:

CK2 is the perfect blend of grand strategy and RPG that really makes the medieval world, or at least its stereotype, feel truly alive. Whether you lean into playing a character or take up your mantle of leading a dynasty through the ages you always come to care about and enjoy experiencing the lives of your characters and the kingdoms and realms they live in. A robust modding scene accentuates this allowing you to take your experience any which way you want along the game's many avenues of play. I can't recommend it enough.

• factorio

One of my favourite users ever @jackie wrote about Factorio:

Stranded on a virgin planet, you set out to construct a rocket to escape. Build machines to excavate resources for you, get these to your consumers via conveyor belts and process them in increasingly complex supply chains as you work your way up the tech tree. As your local resources deplete, you can build trains to feed your increasingly hungry factory. Bots help you expand it even faster, leading to a virtous cycle.

The massive pollution caused by rapid industrialization unhindered by nosy beaurocrats won't please the natives, who can smell your prosperity and thus become envious. Whether you deal with them by heavily investing in perimeter defense, going green or launching a campaign of total destruction and genocide against them is up to you.

• sekiro shadows die twice

The one who wrote the most msgs (@Norman) about this survey wrote about Sekiro:

Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice is the epitome of a love-hate relationship, where every brutal defeat is like a cruel but oddly satisfying slap in the face, leaving you begging for more punishment like a masochistic samurai.

This game takes the phrase "git gud" to a whole new level, as it demands precision and finesse in combat like a ballet of death, making you question your own skills and sanity while being skewered by an oversized katana.

Sekiro's captivating world design is a delightful mix of stunning landscapes and decrepit ruins, serving as a constant reminder that no matter how beautiful the surroundings, death is always lurking behind every picturesque corner.

With its punishing difficulty and unforgiving bosses, Sekiro teaches us the valuable life lesson that perseverance pays off, even if it means throwing yourself against the same wall for hours until you finally break through, triumphantly screaming, "I did it!" while your loved ones question your sanity.

• the elder scrolls 5 skyrim ,7

Top 17

Votes = 8

• bloodborne

@TrapEnjoyer - Bloodborne

I don’t think I’ve seen any other game be mentioned for ruining the enjoyment of other games' combat as much as Bloodborne has; it’s that good. Combine this with a gorgeous, gothic Victorian world design that has Lovecraftian spoopy bullcrap going on, and you end up with a contemporary action RPG banger that gave g*ymers hope in a market oversaturated with unfinished, live-service slop.

@SmallNips - Bloodborne

You're placed into a world where it's inhabitants are plagued by a disease that transforms them into blood thirsty abominations. It's your job as a hunter to explore this gothic world and the unforgettable cosmic horrors that lie within it. The game changes mechanics from previous soul games such as dodging and replacing your choice of shields with guns to lend itself toward an aggressive and fast paced combat style. The detailed enviroment is filled with rich and engaging lore, that most players won't even realize it there until they've done multiple playthroughs. Simply put, Bloodborne is the perfect souls game.

• counterstrike global offensive

I wrote about CSGO :marseyhug:

With an objective so intuitive that you'll understand it within minutes, counterstrike's position as the most played shooter was never in danger. Its gameplay may as well take you a lifetime to master but don't worry - long after Neo and s1mple are buried below the catacombs on Inferno people will still play and watch the only competitive game that ever mattered - regardless of what kind of nonsense Valve will add in future additions. Counterstrike is eternal.

• knights of the old republic

@Hotep - KOTOR

Knights of the Old Republic is the pinnacle of the entire Star Wars Franchise. It’s a fun adventure game spanning over multiple interesting planets, with a perfect player progression as the story unfolds, and a plot twist that competes with the ESB reveal. This one RPG fulfills every fantasy the quintessential Star Wars fan could ask for.

@The_Red_Shill - KOTOR

I like this game because I like Star Wars also I like to use a light saber and the force. It is fun to use the force for good or for evil, on different playthroughs I will be good (known as a Jedi) or bad (a Sith Lord). I like RPGS I like leveling up and getting stronger. Overall this is a very good game if you like Star Wars like me and also like to level up like me.

• path of exile

Our favourite twitch streamer @aqouta wrote about his favourite game here Path of Exile:

Path of exile is a monument to capitalism and gambling. Each league it is proven again that bring poor is a choice, a choice made by your genetically inferior parents to produce a child destined for failure.

Around once a quarter a new league comes out with a new mechanic in every zone, some balance changes and a totally fresh economy where everyone starts out level one washed up on the beach with nothing but a stick and a bit of torn cloth to cover peepees and clams. You then hone your character through slaying monsters to get experience for the massive 1325 passive point talent tree and currency to trade for or use directly to craft your gear in a crafting system it requires a PhD to be proficient in.

You slay your way to the end endgame where you are rewarded with yet another passive tree to scale up the difficulty and reward of new zones called maps, which themselves can be crafted, placed into an atlas along with still further opportunities for investment such that it can easily cost you more than a plebian will see in their entire league to open one map with the hopes to pull even more currency out.

• runescape

Our gorgeous darling @eleganza picked Runescape:

Old School RuneScape (OSRS) is often considered one of those games that you'll only like if you grew up playing it, but in truth, it just takes the right variant of autism. The main draw is the complex skill system, the game has 23 distinct skills and it can take dozens if not hundreds of hours to max each of them, and as you level them, they form extremely satisfying synergistic relationships with each other. But between the quests, the PvP, or just the conversations you'll have with fellow 30 year old boomers grinding minigames, RuneScape is much more than the sum of its parts and you'll find yourself when you check your playtime and realize how easy it is to forget how long you've spent chasing skill capes

Modern RuneScape, usually called RS3, is much the same but with updated graphics, some new skills, gear, and quests, and different balancing so you can level quicker.

Votes = 9

• dota 2

@Lur - Dota2

Dota 2 is a 5v5 rts game where you control one hero and you dont get carpal tunnel from playing. It distinguishinges itself by being a competetive game that doesnt simplify to flowchart when you get good at it. It will ruin most other games because youll realize that dota is just better and more fun.

• outer wilds

None other than @trickleyum selected Outer Wilds:

What starts as a whimsical adventure of space travel and exploration slowly turns into a puzzling tale of change and the greatest, most ultimate of losses. This game stirs your soul and carefully pushes you to face both your own mortality and the death of your loved ones. Never before have I been as touched by any kind of media like i was by Outer Wilds and it's expansion Echoes of the Eye, both by Mobius Digital and published by Annapurna Interactive.

• terraria

@molch - Terraria

In Terraria no one tells you what to do. You go from a peasant digging through dirt to omnipotent god, only because of your innate desire to conquer. The whole experience is tied together by a superb soundrack, satisfying combat, and a healthy mix of 'cutesy' and 'off-putting'.

@Sneed - Terraria

Terraria is an extremely well made sandbox game. It is able to fit more action, adventure, mining, and exploring than most other games. It also has had incredible support from the devs + community resulting in incredible mods and more content than you'd think. The game's multiplayer is also some of the most fun I've ever had.

Top 9

Deus Ex with 10 votes.

My man PBP (@PoweredByPhenethylamines) picked Deus Ex:

Deus Ex (2000) is the culmination of late 90's Immersive Sim design. Led by Warren Spector, originally of Looking Glass studios and contributor to the Ultima Underworld, System Shock, and Thief franchises, the game places the player into the shoes of JC Denton - a nano-augmented federal anti-terrorist agent, who is quickly thrown into a vast web of conspiracy involving a terrorist attack on New York City, The Illuminati, AI, the Knights Templar, vaccines, the Unilateral Commission, and many more.

Considered by some to be the peak of the Immersive Sim design philosophy, the game allows you to come at challenges from many angles, utilizing your resources and skillset to talk, sneak, shoot, steal, and hack your way through each situation — "Problems, not puzzles".

Elden Ring with 12 votes.

@Pog - Elden Ring

Elden Ring is the greatest bibeo game experience I’ve ever had. I adore pretty much everything about it.

For me, the centerpiece of elden ring is the world. I started as a wee peasant, waking from a grave and stumbling into something preposterous. I just stared in awe at the sight before me. A giant golden tree. A mountain, impossibly high. Castles upon castles.

It beggars belief that a game could exist with all this done well.

Surely From Software couldn’t have made a game with tons of biomes that all look good and have unique enemies, bosses and mechanics? Well for the most part (ignore mountaintop, ignore mountaintop) they did!

I loved exploring the world and seeing what fetch shit is around the corner. I was never disappointed. Getting randomly teleported to some giant flying dragon temple that I had no clue about? Realizing on the next playthrough that there’s actually a secret 3 headed dragon boss? As my good friend, @squirrelposting would say: “shit is nuts”

Combat is awesome. It’s challenging to learn a new weapon or learn a new enemy. It keeps the game engaging and I enjoyed the difficulty. There are a ton of weapons, the interactions between ashes of war and weapon types makes experimentation interesting. I am pleased with how they implemented weapon arts.

The boss fights are legendary. Fire giant is an epic battle against a titan. Radahns second phase had me pooping my pants. Whore loo is a street fighter character. Malenia (my wife (male)) has toes 🥵 to die for. I loved 90% of those fights, even the ones that were buck breaking me for days.

It’s more accessible than previous souls games. They toned down a lot of the elements that make the previous 3 souls games annoying (more bonfires, run backs aren’t complete cancer). However, the boss fights are generally more difficult. I get annoyed at the opening margit fight because that bastard has more moves than the nameless king.

Soundtrack is fantastic. My personal highlight are the zone themes. The haunting ennui of limgrave, the dying wails of caelid, the faded majesty of leyndell. The boss themes are also good but I do think DS3 has better ones!

Final comment: grab the seamless coop mod if you want to play multiplayer. It’s pretty flawless and a real multiplayer system elevates the game even further (base game multiplayer is r-slurred). Ofc it’s a bit easier but it’s so much fun to horse around the world with a buddy.

Actual final comment: Elden ring is an amazing experience and I’m already cooming in my pants at the prospect of more DLC

World of Warcraft with 13 votes.

@arsey - World of Warcraft

World of Warcraft is a massive multi-player online role playing game that allows players to create a character of a specific class and use it to navigate through the world of Azeroth. Two factions -- Horde and Alliance -- are constantly battling for control of Azeroth, and players must choose their side to fight opposing faction players for control of Azeroth's lands. Players navigate through increasingly more difficult areas of Azeroth and complete quests to increase their player's level and stats. As players complete quests, they can improve their character's armor and gain access to new dungeon battles. Dungeons are available at higher levels where players can work with parties of five, ten, twenty, or forty players to conquer Azeroth's most dangerous enemies. Together with a chosen guild, a team of players can unite in a raid of 10, 20, or 40 players to conquer strong enemies and obtain the highest and most coveted gear.

Our favourite Brazilian coomer (@Horned_waifus_shill) wrote about his #1 game here - world of warcraft:

World of Warcraft, for all it's flaws and God knows it has many, is truly a one-of-a-kind game. I must have spent somewhere around 10 thousand years hours playing wow. Though I haven't played it in a while and I absolutely hate the jew addled pozzed fricks that are the current devs, if someone asked me if they should play WoW out, my answer would be yes. They absolutely should at least try it. You can even try out Classic to see what is the fuzz all about.

Even if today there are other MMOs in the market like FFXIV, no other MMO really hits the spot that wow does. That's not to say it's somehow their fault, it's just really hard to compete against such a established franchise. For instance the first Warcraft game launched in 1994 and WoW itself was launched in 2004, so that's 29 years of Warcraft and WoW has 19 years of content in it's back.

To me wow feels like the jack of all trades of MMOs. No matter if you're a hardcore player, a casual player, pvper, pver, a coomer or an incel like @pizzashill (lmbo get fricked i got to comment on the game and not you), wow has something for you. Wow is also probably partly to blame for my obsession with women with horns.

Dark Souls 1 with 13 votes.

@Domnhall - Dark Souls 1

Dark Souls 1 - The gameplay is top-notch, difficult but not unfair. I like how compared to other souls games the character feels heavier just like you'd expect a knight in metal armour to be controlled. The NPCs are very likeable and memorable. Graphics still hold up today and the soundtracks play at just the right moments. The overall atmosphere is lonely and depressing but in a good way.

@azurewaves - Dark Souls

Dark Souls 1 is an action rpg that spawned the 'Souls-like' sub-genre. It is know for its challenging difficulty, environmental story telling, and high quality melee combat. Every enemy is deadly, but if you are skilled they can be felled with any weapon. Beating a difficult boss after struggling is exhilarating. And the high quality hit boxes and unique move sets for each weapon make most other melee combat systems feel like trash. It also features unique online coop mechanics and pvp invasions, which along with the unique weapon movesets gives it a lot of replay value. It may seem daunting to outsiders who know its reputation but it is very rewarding to play.

The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind with 14 votes

@MayflyAlt98 - Morrowind

I love Morrowind for the player choice it offers to your roleplaying and the alien world it invites you into.

Morrowind as a setting is alien, strange and hostile to the player, Characters treat you as an outsider and require you to gain respect to progress.

You can roleplay effectively as a nobody as the world treats however your destiny slowly unfolds the more you involve yourself into the world.

While combat definitely isn't refined in later games I do appreciate the amount of choice in your skills, equipment and especially magic in the Elder Scrolls hasn't better since imo.

Morrowind is easy to lose yourself in unexpected ways, from simple exploring following hazy directions, experimenting with magic and skills to outright break the game for fun or just letting the outlandish setting ensare you. You're treated as a nobody and aren't expected to save the world as a chosen one at the start, you make your own man to do what you want until destiny comes calling.

It's a very cozy game for me. I'd recommend anyone to look ino OPENMW, a FOSS engine reimplemantation, since Morrowind with it's OG engine can be quite unstable on mkdern systems.

@ACA - Morrowind

Morrowind is a strange, exotic world. It doesn't look like a traditional medieval meme like Oblivion. The tensions between the occupying Imperials and the locals was present. The relationship between the local religion and great houses and prophecy made for great storytelling.

The later series further rounded out controls, maps, and certain parts of character development, which I wish could be backwards-incorporated into MW, but overall it's got the best story and world.

Rimworld with 14 votes

@Redactor0 - Rimworld

Rimworld's approach is to simulate everything: people, animals, plants, buildings, manufacturing, weapons, religions, and so on. It's a highly complex game but it's easy to play because it's the complexity of real life. Just do what you would really do if you were chased by feral wolves or sheltering from radioactive fallout. The interactions between all the simulated objects creates a story better than you'll get from most narrative games. (It's Dwarf Fortress for neurotypicals.)

@jackie - Rimworld

Manage and develop your small group of barely functioning r-slurs to help them survive and maybe even thrive on a hostile planet.

To keep your colony running smoothly, you have to fight the environment, disease and invaders in the form of men/animal/bug/machine. All while keeping your people happy enough so they won't snap. This is especially important if you want to branch into some of the more lucrative industries like drug production, organ trade or luxury good made from human leather which Rimworld is famous for.

Adaptive difficulty, while incentivizing some weird behaviour, generally works well enough to always keep you on the brink of ruin, which is the most fun state to play. Combined with being very moddable, this ensures the game will always be interesting

The Top 3

A shared second place between Minecraft and Team Fortress2:

Minecraft with 16 votes

@Fabrico - Minecraft

Minecraft is a game with so many ways to play it's closer to an engine or platform than a game, similar to Gary's Mod.

Adventure maps allow people to make crafted stories with scripted combat encounters, data packs let people randomize or modify parts of the game for challenge runs, and servers can have all sorts of custom game modes.

That's excluding Forge mods which allow all sorts of things to be added to the game, including fantastical dimensions, flying machines, massive manufacturing chains, and tons of new building blocks. I've played countless modpacks and each can give hundreds of hours of fun, it's fair to say someone could easily sink thousands of hours into the game over years of playing.

@MatsurisAhoge - Minecraft

Minecraft is a flexible game: you can spend hours exploring the world and mining for diamonds, or you could build a giant city. You can relax and multitask or you can join with friends for an adventure and give it your full attention. The vanilla alone is something you can sink thousands of hours in to. Mods add a whole other level of complexity and refresh your interest. There are mods to go on Adventures to fight new mobs and find fetch loot, technology mods that let you build complicated ore processing so you can build ever larger contraptions, and magic mods with varying degrees of complex magic. Its the best crafting survival game.

Team Fortress 2 with 16 votes

@TheDunceonMaster - TF2

Team Fortress 2 is a fast-paced multiplayer first person shooter. The gameplay is characterized by each of the 9 classes having a variety of play styles, vertical mobility, and high lethality. The timeless art style and well-written characters give the game a personality that's allowed it to outlive all of its contemporaries. What's best of all is that in TF2 lobbies, people are playing to have a good time. The chaotic nature of the game has stopped anyone from optimizing the fun out of it.

@Shellshock - TF2

Few multiplayer games manage to strike a good balance between player choice and inherently good game design at its core, which I think is the main cause of TF2’s longevity. Most players of the game might think of it as a class-based shooter with a healthy amount of character customization used to achieve different strategies, and interestingly enough how even strategies that aren’t “the meta” are still pretty fun to play. But even if you strip away all the fluff of customization, it still remains a well balanced multiplayer FPS at its core.

And our winner with unbelievable TWENTY-ONE VOTES is:

FALLOUT NEW VEGAS

And here are our amazing reviews!!!

@Szrotmistrz - Fallout New Vegas

Is Fallout new Vegas with it’s „Le Hegelian Dialectics” some artistic masterpiece? No, but it’s a darn good game. The world is coherent and thought out, with every settlement feeling like part of a bigger picture, characters even with few lines of dialogue are given, well... character, everything feel grounded in the setting, and works to expand and deepen it. As for the gameplay, while the combat is nothing to write home about, the core of the game is role-playing and choices associated with that, the perks on level ups you are given are meaningful, every weapon category is viable, and your skills have impact outside of combat, which while not high praise, is in contrast to far too many RPG. Lastly, and most importantly, the quest, are just interesting, and when needed will give you a choice. Even fetch quests, with associated dialogue and context are somewhat made to feel meaningful. All in all, it’s a great game, and definitively the best 1st person RPG I played, by a mile.

@BasicallyADoxxer - FNV

Fallout New Vegas was contracted out to the neckbeard geniuses behind Fallout 1 & 2, in an uncharacteristically smart move by Bethesda to follow up the success of their 3D foray with the franchise that was Fallout 3 while they were busy with the Elder Scrolls. The game was at release and still can be a buggy, obviously unfinished mess but is still regarded as one of the best RPGs of all time which should speak to it's content quality. The setting, atmosphere, story, writing, characters, gameplay, RPG elements, and music are all top notch and I think the reason it appealed to so many people: it's hard to find anything to hate here especially as a norman first time RPG player. The game gives you a barebones backstory/motive, throws you into the Mojave desert with the Vegas strip tantalizingly close, and says good luck have fun.

@PlattyTude - FNV

Fallout New Vegas toes the line of depth and accessibility, offering the player, multiple approaches to combat, quest resolution, exploring, and character builds. The setting and atmosphere is familiar, while offering a unique twist with it's combination of post-apocalyptic sci-fi and cowboy western in 1940s esque ameriKKKana. Memorable characters, sympathetic factions, and a sick butt soundtrack.

@MommyIssues provides a solid conclusion:

While there has been a lot of political sperging regarding FNV's factions from and alike, I really like how the game doesnt push you in any one particular direction, heck most characters aren't essential to at least one ending. Also, the gun/mod/ammo customization system is great and the gunplay is kino as frick.

Complete .csv here

All Games Mentioned Alphabetically

All Games Sorted By Votes

Breakdown by ....

... Franchise (Game, Votes)

Ace Combat

• ace combat 0, 4

• ace combat 3, 1

• ace combat 5, 1

• ace combat 7, 2

Bioshock

• bioshock 1, 6

• bioshock 2, 1

• bioshock infinite, 1

Call of Duty

• call of duty black ops 1, 1

• call of duty black ops 2, 1

• call of duty cold war, 1

• call of duty modern warfare 2, 1

• call of duty world at war, 2

Civilization

• civilization 2, 1

• civilization 3, 1

• civilization 4, 3

• civilization 5, 3

• civilization 6, 3

Counterstrike

• counterstrike 1.6, 6

• counterstrike global offensive, 8

Crusader Kings

• crusader kings 2, 7

• crusader kings 3, 2

Dark Souls & Friends

• dark souls 1, 13

• dark souls 2, 4

• dark souls 3, 2

• demon's souls, 2

• elden ring, 12

Doom

• doom 2, 3

• doom [2016], 1

• doom [1993], 4

• doom eternal, 2

Fallout

• fallout 1, 2

• fallout 2, 2

• fallout 3, 3

• fallout 4, 2

• fallout new vegas, 21

Final Fantasy

• final fantasy 10, 2

• final fantasy 11, 1

• final fantasy 12, 2

• final fantasy 13 lightning returns, 1

• final fantasy 6, 3

• final fantasy 7, 1

• final fantasy 7 remake, 1

• final fantasy 8, 1

• final fantasy 9, 1

• final fantasy tactics, 2

• final fantasy tactics a2 grimoire of the rift, 1

Grand Theft Auto

• grand theft auto 5, 3

• grand theft auto san andreas, 5

• grand theft auto vice city, 3

• grand theft auto online, 1

Half-Life

• halflife 1, 2

• halflife 2, 3

Halo

• halo 1, 2

• halo 2, 2

• halo 3, 5

• halo reach, 3

Kingdom Hearts

• kingdom hearts 1, 1

• kingdom hearts 2, 1

• kingdom hearts 2 final mix+, 1

• kingdom hearts 3, 1

• kingdom hearts 358/2 days, 1

Mass Effect

• mass effect 1, 4

• mass effect 2, 5

• mass effect legendary edition, 1

Metal Gear Solid

• metal gear rising revengeance, 1

• metal gear solid 1, 2

• metal gear solid 2, 1

• metal gear solid 2 substance, 1

• metal gear solid 3, 1

• metal gear solid 4, 1

• metal gear solid 5, 1

Monster Hunter

• monster hunter rise, 1

• monster hunter world, 4

• monster hunter world iceborne, 1

Pokemon

• pokemon black 2 and white 2, 1

• pokemon blue/red, 1

• pokemon crystal, 1

• pokemon emerald, 1

• pokemon gold/silver, 1

• pokemon heartgold/soulsilver, 2

• pokemon mystery dungeon gates to infinity, 1

• pokemon omega ruby/alpha sapphire, 1

• pokemon pearl/diamond, 1

• pokemon platinum, 2

• pokemon scarlet and violet, 1

• pokemon sun/moon, 1

Portal

• portal 1, 2

• portal 2, 2

Red Dead Redemption

• red dead redemption 1, 1

• red dead redemption 2, 6

Resident Evil

• resident evil 1 remake, 1

• resident evil 4, 5

• resident evil 7, 1

Starcraft

• starcraft 1, 4

• starcraft 2, 2

Super Mario

• super mario 64, 1

• super mario bros. 1, 1

• super mario bros. 3, 3

• super mario galaxy, 4

• super mario rpg, 1

• super mario sunshine, 1

• super mario world, 5

Smash

• super smash bros ,2

• super smash bros project m ,1

• super smash bros ultimate ,1

• super smash bros. melee ,2

The Elder Scrolls

• the elder scrolls 3 morrowind, 14

• the elder scrolls 4 oblivion, 4

• the elder scrolls 5 skyrim, 7

The Legend of Zelda

• the legend of zelda 2 the adventure of link, 2

• the legend of zelda a link to the past, 4

• the legend of zelda breath of the wild, 4

• the legend of zelda links awakening, 3

• the legend of zelda minish cap, 1

• the legend of zelda ocarina of time, 4

• the legend of zelda phantom hourglass, 1

• the legend of zelda spirit tracks, 1

• the legend of zelda the wind waker, 5

• the legend of zelda the wind waker hd, 1

• the legend of zelda twilight princess, 1

The Sims

• the sims 1, 1

• the sims 2, 2

• the sims 3, 3

• the sims 4, 1

Total War

• rome total war, 1

• total war attila, 1

• total war shogun 2, 1

• total war warhammer 3, 5

XCom

• xcom 2, 2

• xcom [1994], 1

• xcom enemy unknown [2012], 2

... Genre

Autism

• Dwarf Fortress, 3

• Rimworld, 14

• Factorio, 7

• Aurora 4x, 1

• Catacylsm, 1

Sandbox

• Minecraft, 16

• Terraria, 9

• Garry's Mod, 4

'GRAND' Strategy and/or 4X

• Crusader Kings 2, 7

• Crusader Kings 3, 2

• Hearts of Iron 4, 1

• Europa Universalis 4, 3

• Stellaris, 5

• Victoria 2, 3

• Alpha Centauri, 3

• Civilization 2, 1

• Civilization 3, 1

• Civilization 4, 3

• Civilization 5, 3

• Civilization 6, 3

• Endless Space 2, 1

• sins of a solar empire, 2

I'm-such-a-nerd-teehee

• the sims 1, 1

• the sims 2, 2

• the sims 3, 3

• the sims 4, 1

• harvest moon, 1

• harvest moon 64, 1

• animal crossing, 1

sseth has convinced me these are masterpieces

• bloons tower defense 6, 4

• deep rock galactic, 3

• space station 13, 3

roguelite/roguelike/roguelite-lite

• Hades, 4

• the binding of Isaac, 5

• vampire survivors, 1

• enter the dungeon, 1

• risk of rain, 1

• risk of rain 2, 2

• ftl faster than light, 3

• slay the spire, 4

• darkest dungeon, 1

• spelunky, 2

• noita, 3

tr00ncore

• celeste, 1

• omori, 1

• earthbound, 2

• team fortress 2, 16

• pizza tower, 1

• undertale, 3

• deltarune, 2

• death road to Canada, 2

• baldurs gate 1, 2

• doom [1993], 4

• planescape torment, 2

• ultima 4, 1

This entire paragraph sucked and I'm deeply sorry for that. But it is what it is.

... Platform

Since my instructions were not particularly clear, this entire paragraph may not have the most solid arguments to support the conclusions, but it still serves as a valuable basis to reasonably assess the distribution of platforms that our fellow users are using. If anything, PC should be much larger as a lot of people didn't add any information regarding the platform and I had to add the (NO) tag. Well, not always because I did assume a lot of times whether this user has played the game on that platform so

Also I made these plots before all people (like 5 at most) responded so it may not be completely accurate

• PC: 705/1028

• Other (Console or no data): 320/1028**

By Console

Console Generations

Console generations before the 6th have not enough data for such plots (and even the current plots are murky at best). Overall the PS2 and the Xbox360 are the most popular consoles with the number of votes being roughly equal at around 40. The PS4 appears right behind that. Overall the 6th generation (around 90 votes) seems to be the most popular generation while the current generation (9th) is by far the least popular (~10 votes).

Final Words

The hardest part of doing this wasn't even getting a lot of replies or writing this post. I was convincing my fellow drama users that it was a worthwhile experience - as they simply couldn't believe that it had any actual value. I think there's value in this and I hope you had as much fun reading this as I had writing it. Also, I think this will be my last post here like ever. So thank you all for everything

Background

Chris Watts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_family_murders) is a family annihilator who murdered his pregnant wife Shannan and two young children 2018. They were a striving middle class family in a mcmansion, with Shannan being a a stay at home mother/MLM scammer/influencer, and Chris earning relatively large sums on the oil fields. They had no recorded domestic violence history, no real criminal history, and were famously white attractive. Case got a lot of attention because the police released a lot of information, including bodycam footage of the moment Chris is confronted with evidence that his wife couldn't have run away with the kids in the way he claimed. After a day or two of telling the media he misses his disappeared family, he confesses to the crime and hundreds of hours of true crime content is born. He gets fan mail from crazies in jail to this day.

The defenders

Who would defend such a man, you ask? To answer that, we have to understand the volumous internet presence Shannan had on social media up until her murder. She posted several times a day, including livestreams, in order to shill her MLM product and present a curated picture of her 'perfect' life. These posts and streams are a morbid curiosity to people because Chris featured often, and people say you can tell he seems disinterested and disengaged even back then (to me he just seems like a guy bored by his wife's incessesant posting and filming, tbh).

Here is a compilation of relevant social media videos from Shannan to give a sense of her tone online:

Because of how widespread this is, it's near impossible to gaze upon any discussion of the topic without noticing how many people seem focussed on how unlikeable Shannan is, how hard Chris must have had it. At least until recently, reddit had snark-style subs dedicated to pooping on Shannan's online presence (which seems like a dead end considering there is only so much content she will ever produce). Shannan's personality on social media is so fundarnetally annoying and unlikeable, apparently, that hordes of people are more compelled by that than the cold blooded triple murder by her husband.

From the comments of the video above:

>Chris did not like being on camera, you can tell.

>Did she really record these massively long videos and post them on Facebook? I feel like the average person would not watch the majority of these lol

>The first one is so cringe. Everybody trying to act like they're rockin' and rollin' to some shitty cover band with zero attendance. Ick.

>She is annoying but that doesn't warrant murder

>If you are constantly filming, I don't think you are truly engaged in the moment.

>This woman was so desperately addicted to posting everything about her life online that 3 hours of online silence was all her neighbor needed to know something was wrong

(this refers to the fact that Shannan's loved ones got police involved mere hours after her middle-of-the-night murder simply because she hadn't yet posted an obnoxious video or livestream on FB that day lol)

>The dude should have just left her, the constant filming would have been enough for me. Totally unhinged behavior, when I see families in restaurants all on their phones, I just think I'm so glad I'm not you. Zero parental skills.

>He should've got the balls to tell her that, "her job isn't real, social media isn't real and I think I'm falling out of love with you."

>Shes very dismissive of Chris making him look like he's really awkward.

>I can't imagine live in relationship when my partner record everything all the time and post it ...

And so on. This isn't even one half of it. And these comments are about a woman who was violently killed by her husband while she slept.

Reddit

Anyway, Reddit somehow has allowed a large community of Shannan Watts (murder victim) snark subs to thrive. Some key posts:

https://old.reddit.com/r/WattsFree4All/comments/16zkuoe/shannon_watts_and_the_ridiculous_shirts/

In this post, redditors mock her for tacky t-shirts and clothes she put on the children (before their murder)

https://old.reddit.com/r/WattsFree4All/comments/1g1s63h/lupus_shmupus/

In this post, Shannan is mocked for at one point saying she might have lupus but posting things on facebook that indicate she may not have lupus.

https://old.reddit.com/r/WattsFree4All/comments/1cigxc2/having_no_balls/

Redditors theorise to what extent did Shannan emasculate Chris, prior to her murder.

https://old.reddit.com/r/WattsFree4All/comments/16t49mb/i_thought_it_was_just_me/

A redditor rejoices at finding a sub of like-minded people who, like them, also hate the murder victim:

>When I first heard of this case, I was so shocked. But from the very beginning, what I learned of SW irked me. After watching the TV shows, including Netfix, I really disliked everything about her. But every media thing I read praised her. The videos I found showed her in a shining light, lol. I finally dropped it and moved on.

Lmao OP saw the coverage "woman and her two kids murdered in cold blood" and really laser focussed in how irritating the victim was.

Anyway, you can explore the sub yourself - search by top posts for most dramatic and angry redditors.

The point

I never promised I had a point. I suppose I find this drama-worthy because it's truly fascinating to me that this woman was apparently so annoying, and hit on so many of reddit's sore spots (fake disroder cringe, influence life) that it overrode the normal reddit instinct to find a female victim of her husband murdering her and her kids sympathetic. To be clear, none of these people met Shannan while she was alive or even saw her posts prior to her death. They have created an image of her post-mortem they find so infuriating they are posting about it six years later. Majority of the reddit users are women, which further excludes inceldom as a

primary motivator.

I, for one, strive to be such an annoying person that my eventual death by murder is the least interesting thing about me.

Happy hannukah!

So I saw this drama and like any curious dramatard, l looked into some of their profiles. /u/PM_ME_YOUR_SUNSHINE the STEM-cel in that thread was interesting, he was an antiwork user who actually seems to have a decent career, not just that he also claims to have been "self-made" guy who worked and saved from highschool through college without relying on his social network. So why is he seething on antiwork and complaining about the military on /r/Tinder of all places?

First thing I noticed. He's not a legitimate rags to riches story (well middle class) story. He's parents are wealthy STEM-cels as well.

Both his parents work for NASA.

He seems to hate his father in particular for being more successful despite being not as smart and hard working he is.

My dad was a shithead college grad with a 2.1 gpa that got a rinky dink government engineering job and owned 3 houses by the time he was 30.

I do something far more demanding and cutthroat and work 4 times harder than he ever did and I’m happy with the one house I own that’s the size of his master suite. If I was paid what his smartest coworkers back in the 80’s were paid for similar work I’d be making $450k right now. I make a third of that. And I work myself to the bone, I don’t think it’s sustainable. Those guys got to take naps in recliners in a cushy office and never worked more than 40. One of them had an English degree for highly technical work.

He doesn't mention this once but over and over throughout the years.

I own a home. I'm twice as degreed, twice as experienced, and twice as hard working as my dad was at my age yet I have less in benefits and wealth to show for it. Education, healthcare, and home costs are spiraling up while wages and stagnant and degree inflation is getting worse.

I have the SAME discipline as my dad, in the same city. And earn exactly what he made after adjusting for inflation. He had a 2.1 GPA on his bachelors. I had a 3.4 on my first degree, and had 3 years of experience before getting my first full time while my dad had 0.

Not just that he seems to be profoundly insecure towards his better off peers and relatives as well.

My SO and I literally started at the bottom with no support network at 18. There’s so many things people with privilege get without thinking about it that they don’t realize has to come out of hard cash for other people.

Being the offspring of NASA engineers in NASA city is starting at the bottom apparently but the next part is also hilarious.

We’re friends with a couple that make $150k and they are many leagues better off than us because both sets of their parents are at least upper middle class and they are very supportive. My parents are well off but manipulative and abusive and greedy and refused to even fill out a FAFSA for me many years ago before I went from minimal contact to no contact to be able to afford some sanity, my SO’s are just dirt poor. They aren’t trust fund kids, they earn every dollar. But they have had huge advantages that have pushed them about a decade further than us financially. They got gifted newish reliable nice cars as teenagers, my SO and I bought old Hondas partially cash and partially loaned as 16 year olds trying to get to work. Our friends had their living expenses covered while going to college, had tuition covered by scholarship, and only had to pay for books and lab fees and fun money. We had to always be working and hustling for good opportunities (I literally couldn’t afford to make less than $20 an hour so I had to ride engineering student job to engineering student job at manufacturers in the area), paid every single dollar of anything we got past the age of 16, and I had to pay cash for semesters after we both ran over our full ride scholarships chasing grad degrees and other opportunities. They had their $30k wedding covered. They had a gift of $50k to buy their starter home that the girls dad then came in and did things like new plumbing and a roof. We had about $10k we could scrape together for a home, and will most likely pay PMI on our FHA loan forever due to the non existent interest rate we got, all because we had no one to ask for an extra $5k-$10k when our opening for homeownership in our city was closing. And every single thing done to our house was done by us DIY and out of our pocket. No gifts or family to help us out or to even supervise. Any home emergency gets our cold cash and labor thrown at it, while our young neighbor gets her dad to deliver and install a $4k water heater at 2 in the morning.

Another one

50s-70s were a time when any moron could throw a business together. My great uncle was an alcoholic with little to no social skills, and became a surveyor/land engineer at 24 with his own sole proprietorship and made $10 million over the course of his career.

My best friends near-illiterate grandfather financed a warehouse with some tiny inheritance money and started storing lumber. Developed lung issues in his 30s that cost like $50 a year to keep under control but nowadays cost you tens of thousands outside of insurance. He has an insane amount of wealth.

Can I do either of those things with the same results? No. I’m far more educated, work far harder, have far more skills, and network out my butt and I’m lucky if I ever have a fraction of their wealth. It’s not how it goes today.

Immense seethe but notice how he brags about paying for his college shit by himself ? How did that happen I wonder? I hope he didn't use his connections to get well paying internships.

Nah, my whole family is in defense/government. I’m telling you administration is chaff because my cousins and aunt-in-law are morons that pull in big money for being on Facebook all day.

I got paid $65k at NASA as an intern to, I shit you not, play Fortnite with some Boeing intern on his mobile xbox/pc station.

It’s all waste. I spent a lot of time in various administration offices at my university. People pulling down six figures that don’t know how to save a word document as a pdf, don’t know how to talk to students, sit on Facebook all day.

He seems to cope frequently about "bums" in NASA, Lockheed Martin and Raytheon making money while doing nothing.

In fact, If you see this dude pooping on something it's very likely something he tried and failed.

Like being a doctor for example.

Lol, the doctors at HH aren’t making bank. I wouldn’t be surprised if most are underpaid.

Anything near $200k is criminal pay in 2023 for an MD. Yet it’s such a common salary country wide. Doctors were making more than $200k in the 90’s and 00’s and healthcare wasn’t this fricked. Their wages stagnate (read decrease if inflation jumps above 3% any year) for two decades and everything in healthcare also goes to shit.

People that make less than doctors don’t understand that $200k isn’t a good return on investment for that training. And that there IS a massive lifestyle difference between a doctor with a family on $300k versus that same doctor on $250k plus loans from the 2010’s.

This system is fricking everyone hard from nurses to doctors to even the bottom line of hospitals just trying to keep their doors open. It serves big money interests and that’s literally it.

And in another comment

And all the doctors I knew growing up said don’t be a doctor. Same with the lawyers. Engineers said their glory days were behind them and the work and the pay hadn’t been the same in decades.

I love a country whose citizens are being boiled alive.

Does this come from a genuine care for the profession or Cope?.Let's have a look.

So I have two finals on wednesday that are super important to me. They were classes that were already tough for me where I got shitty professors. It wasn't all their fault for my grade, but I and the entire class averaged worse on every test than other classes. Right now I have to do moderately well on the exams and I'll pass, but I've heard the exams are real b-words. I'm currently preparing in overtime now for them as I've been doing, but I'm coming to terms that I could possibly get lower than a C overall for both classes which would "not pass" or fail me, I'd have to retake these classes.

I'm only in my freshman semester, is this a death blow to my chances of getting into Medical School? Possibly two retaken classes on my transcript? Thanks

Tsk Tsk. This seems to extend to even the subjects he struggled with.

I'm a sophomore ME student. Physics II was a nightmare last semester so I dropped it to save my GPA. Looking to take it and Diff EQ and get my depth study out of the way this summer. Am I eligible to take this classes at a community college? Anybody have any experience with these classes at Shelton?

A few years later

Figure out what the end goal is, then put up with the bullshit of whatever the frick college these days throws at you to get to that.

That’s all college is. A massive bullshit gatekeeping scam means to an end.

So many of my friends who would have loved engineering quit around the half way point, normally because of one class or professor.

It’s the most immature decision one can make.

I hated every second of college and love my job. I had the job picked out in my mind before I started classes. Learned next to nothing from the classes and everything from a bunch of internships that led to my career.

Figure out what you want to work as because college is gonna be a bunch of bullshit either way.

I don’t use diff eq at my job because I like s*x and my peepee works, have a good one.

Even the money he earned from his school days seem to be because of the top tier school his father sent him to and the connections he made there.

I have friends from wealthy families that speak multiple languages, play multiple instruments, are politically active, have worked meaningful jobs rather than your average minimum wage teenage job, and have perfect grades and perfect health.

To be specific he went to the best school within the 500 mile radius(although, still sounds kind of shit)of where he lives where he met other rich and talented kids. So it's no surprise one of the "gigs" he did in his school days are being a studio musician and being part of an "indie band", running a YouTube channel and most likely getting some comfy part time job with his connections. With no doubt expensive equipment that his parents paid for(admits to having a lot of left over after years of running a studio...by the time he turned 18) and "gigs" his rich connected pals helped him get. They also brought him a nice pick up truck since he loved them. Such a hard childhood this lad has had.

How often do you guys encounter this breed of leftoid? (or lolibert based on posts in Libertarian and anarcho_capitalism)

I've come across a quite of few of them. Last week I came across another leftoid rich kid who failed to get into med school, in engineering with mediocre grades(because of too much vidya), resenting his father and now currently in the process of ing out. Is being an underachiever from a rich/educated family that mindbreaking?

Edit: Forgot to add, REGRETS taking Mechanical Engineering as well because his Electrical Engineering peers are better at their jobs. Also, admits to not taking CS course in University of Alabama because it's needlessly hard and then copes about CS being a useless degree(despite being a programmer at the end of the day). It's just copium all the way down for this guy.

[EDIT: I'm adding shows as people suggest them but sticking to ones I've actually seen and can vouch for.]

Number one pick: Space Above and Beyond. It's largely about WW2 (they will mention during the show stuff like this "hey this is like Guadalcanal") and Vietnam but told as sci-fi which gives them the opportunity to open it up to other stories. Made by Morgan & Wong, the guys who did all the really good parts of the X-Files. Hence the nerd in "Jose Chung's From Outer Space" (best episode of tv ever) wearing this t-shirt.

Probably the most underrated TV show of all time. It's not just the same stock war movie characters you've seen since the 1940s, there's interesting stuff going on. Much of it was very directly ripped off for Battlestar Galactica. Canceled after one season in a pretty epic ending.

You may have seen me post my crippled brother Col. McQueen describe how I feel about slumming it with you tards:

Other sci-fi shows from that era that you may have overlooked (at least I did). I ignored these at the time because Trek had my expectations too high, but they're quite watchable:

• Stargate SG-1 - Doesn't take itself as seriously as Star Trek but in a good way. It's fun. The problem is you've got to watch the episodes in order because you have to actually know the lore.

• Total Recall 2070 - Blade Runner turned into a TV show, except they couldn't get the rights to Blade Runner so they bought another Philip Peepee property. Very underrated. Maybe the closest to a Star Trek show on this list.

• Battlestar Galactica - As I said earlier, ripped off a lot from SAAB. It was kind of a breath of fresh air at the time as it was a little bit more real and post-9-11 than the slop we'd been served before. Goes off the rails toward the end because the writers had no idea what to do. Stop watching when you get to a plot twist that's just too much for you.

• Earth: Final Conflict - I've only seen maybe 15 episodes but it's got some interesting stuff going on. The best depiction I've ever seen of how an alien invasion would really work.

• The Outer Limits (1990s) - Surprisingly really good, actually better than the original probably. I totally missed this back when it was on. I guess it wasn't broadcast here.

• Max Headroom - Late 1980s cyberpunk show. Pretty good. To me one of the most interesting things about sci-fi is what it says about the time when it was made. It's very interesting for that. That era when people involved with computers understood the internet was coming soon and the general public had a vague idea that it was.

• Farscape - I've seen scattered episodes and I'm ambivalent. I do not like the puppet aliens. There's a reason why in Star Trek the aliens are all just people with ridges on their forehead or funny hats. But there's a few episodes of this I got sucked into and really liked. I intend to watch more.

Older TV shows that must be watched (that aren't completely obvious):

• The Rockford Files - A couple weeks ago I was talking to this random old boomer on the train and I was like "Man, how about the Rockford Files." And he's like "James Garner amirite." And I'm like "We don't have anyone that cool anymore." Private investigator who is a gigachad but also vulnerable and half the time he's clueless about what's going on and getting the shit beaten out of him. Has some very high-brow episodes.

• Hawaii Five-O - Again, cop show with better scripts, actors, people giving a shit than usual and a fascinating setting.

• Columbo - The mystery genre flipped around on its head. You see who committed the murder in the beginning. The mystery is how Detective Columbo is going to catch him. It's based on the interplay between Peter Falk's Columbo, who fakes being an annoying slob, against the guest star playing the murderer who is just as good. You'll recognize a lot: Montalban, Shatner, Nimoy, Vaughn, McGoohan, let's see... Culp, Landau... basically all the top actors of the time. Even if it doesn't sound interesting, give it a try.

• The Outer Limits (1960s) - An inferior rip-off of The Twilight Zone, but still pretty good most of the time. If nothing else, watch the episode that James Cameron ripped off to make Terminator just to see how he never had any good ideas of his own.

• Relic Hunter - Tia Carrere is being Indiana Jones but she also needs to take her shirt off at least once an episode. Surprisingly good for what it is.

• Honey West - Early 1960s show with Anne Francis (of Forbidden Planet, Twilight Zone, etc.) as a sexy private detective who has a pet ocelot and a pet man. Again, fascinating if nothing else for seeing how a female action hero was depicted then.

Cop shows:

• The Shield - A team of corrupt LAPD detectives against all the scum on the street and their honest fellow cops. Remarkably realistic about how people really are. No Hannibal Lecter genius cannibals.

• Miami Vice - There's actually a lot of overlap between the writers here and TNG. It's a cop show in an interesting setting where they just try a little harder than usual. The writers, directors, everyone is just about 50% better than usual.

Korean and Japanese dramas:

If you're willing to step outside your comfort zone a little, there's endless hours of great content out there. This is what I did when I'd run out of American TV to watch. I don't watch as much anymore but I can recommend lots of stuff.

here are the current survivors:

https://old.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/1gwc10v/the_ones_who_got_away/

https://old.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/1ggei97/marriage_age/

https://old.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/1fyhp1o/female_chad/

https://old.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/1fppjpw/planned_parenthood_as_intended/

https://old.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/1fng070/leaving_her_dry/

https://old.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/1fkg2ft/dont_waste_your_fertility/

https://old.reddit.com/r/Memes_Of_The_Dank/comments/1f66var/double_standards/

https://old.reddit.com/r/Memes_Of_The_Dank/comments/1f55l6r/muslim_values/

https://old.reddit.com/r/dank_meme/comments/1f4qg1r/i_guess_its_our_fault/

https://old.reddit.com/r/dank_meme/comments/1f4qf68/any_excuse_will_do/

https://old.reddit.com/r/dank_meme/comments/1f4qe5o/being_a_bigot/

https://old.reddit.com/r/Memes_Of_The_Dank/comments/1f4b1k9/childrens_rights/

https://old.reddit.com/r/MoldyMemes/comments/1f4azfj/childrens_rights/

https://old.reddit.com/r/dank_meme/comments/1f4at95/childrens_rights/

https://old.reddit.com/r/dank_meme/comments/1f4asrh/if_its_free/

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https://old.reddit.com/r/dank_meme/comments/1f108sk/best_use_of_time_travel/

https://old.reddit.com/r/dank_meme/comments/1eza8on/im_sure_its_our_fault/

https://old.reddit.com/r/dank_meme/comments/1ex8f93/do_your_reading/

https://old.reddit.com/r/dank_meme/comments/1ex3bea/being_normal/

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https://old.reddit.com/r/dank_meme/comments/1erhomn/the_only_fair_contest/

https://old.reddit.com/r/dank_meme/comments/1er3jpn/what_really_hurts/

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https://old.reddit.com/r/dank_meme/comments/1elbdc8/defining_gender/

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https://old.reddit.com/r/dank_meme/comments/1eglp72/meaning_of_words/

https://old.reddit.com/r/dank_meme/comments/1ed096d/double_standards/

https://old.reddit.com/r/dank_meme/comments/1ecwilg/whos_your_favorite/

https://old.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/1e85fv4/skin_care/

and heres everything that got removed by the reddit jannies:

https://old.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/1gqzepd/make_the_right_choice/

https://old.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/1go3j5p/if_more_than_one_says_it/

https://old.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/1gir9sj/divorce_rates/

https://old.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/1g0duld/time_blindness/

https://old.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/1fxl2x2/nature_at_work/

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https://old.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/1foxnuy/chivalry_will_rise_again/

https://old.reddit.com/r/NotHowGirlsWork/comments/1fovtb6/the_one_thing_theyre_better_at/

he used to do this on other subreddits, but had most of his posts deleted

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https://old.reddit.com/r/terriblefacebookmemes/comments/1fkbsie/how_to_avoid_the_snip/

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https://old.reddit.com/r/terriblefacebookmemes/comments/1fd0xxp/the_beauty_of_european_multiculturalism/

https://old.reddit.com/r/terriblefacebookmemes/comments/1fcg8c6/defining_true_happiness/

https://old.reddit.com/r/terriblefacebookmemes/comments/1fbtu5s/stop_complaining_and_be_consistent/

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https://old.reddit.com/r/terriblefacebookmemes/comments/1fbr81s/women_habits_vs_men_habits/

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DEAD RUSSIANS

SPLODY PAGERS

CAPTURED CITADELS

INVADING TURKS

WHAT THE FRICK IS GOING ON

Around 2014, shortly before I went to prison, the civil war in Syria was very fun to follow - the Ukraine or Israel of its day but less normie. It was in the sweet spot between these wars - very well reported, slow, and with a couple of cohesive factions - and jiggaboo hijinks in Africa where there are dozens of factions, zero cohesiveness, minimal information, and rapid butt movements and upsets because Russians came or a white man got mad.

Then I got out and shit was boring again. ISIS was gone, the rebels were cucked, and Assad had mostly won. How'd that happen?

2011-2012: Humble beginnings

Bashar Assad, the Alawite leader of Syria, had brutally oppressed his people for many years. In Arab fashion, it took American glowies on X (at the time known as "twitter") to galvanize them into rebelling, which they did, mostly ineffectually, over 2011-2012.

Though their achievements were minimal, with every massacre and atrocity, Assad's grip over the population and business establishment weakened. This emboldened individuals and factions, and everyone (perceiving weakness) shifted from keeping their head down to aiming for a piece of the Syrian pie.

2013: Shit gets real

Red is Assad, supported by the Alawites (inhabiting the coast, mostly), secularish and nationalist Syrians, certain classes of society like Sunni businessmen who supported him pragmatically, various Sunnis in his patronage network, and regular people either coerced or cajoled into it.

He was backed by Iran in exchange for further influence, an open lane to supply its Shiite proxies, like Hezbollah (via Iraq), and as a geopolitical ally and counterweight to the western gulf states. Also, to a lesser extent, by Russia (who operate a port in Syria), China and other contrarians.

Green is almost everyone else: dozens of armed groups with grandiose names and wide-ranging political views, from moderate Islamists to hardcore Islamists. You think I'm kidding. No joke, every single Sunni Arab anti-Assad group at the time had some flavor of Islamic flavoring. The "moderate" guys wore short beards, listened to music and took American funds while beheading Alawites whereas the hardcore guys beheaded music listeners and moderates too

The rebels held the suburbs - but not centers - of Damascus (capital) and Aleppo (second biggest city), the rural north (Sunni and neglected under Assad) and various positions in between. They were supported by wealthy gulf donors, Turkey, who gave them a free hand to cross the border and engage in commerce, and western powers like America and Europe. Like any non-state group they engaged in their fair share of smuggling, petty crime, taxation and tolls.

Yellow are the Kurds, who varied politically and religiously but always put their Kurdishness first. Initially, they were anti-Assad due to years of oppression, etc. but seeing how the Islamists treated them turned them more pragmatic. Poor guys, nobody except Israel likes them :(

There were also some Druze in the south, under the green faction for convenience.

2014: Rise-is of ISIS

Some ex-al Qaeda members in Iraq, battle-hardened and bored, saw an opportunity in the power vacuum to free Sunnis from Assad, which in practice became freeing them from their more lenient Sunni overlords (rebel militias proving an easier target than a theoretically professional army). Within a few months, they bulldozed most of the Syrian rebel factions in the east, turning their sights onto and humiliating Iraq as well.

At their height that winter ISIS was wrecking Arab armies everywhere and about to demolish Kobane / Ayn al Arab (one of the three Kurdish cantons). They did so much nasty shit there's no point in mentioning or cataloging it. IIKYK, if not, have a listicle I haven't read from google. Many locals felt some kinda way about their behavior but couldn't do much without getting beheaded. However, besides a huge number of foreign volunteers from shitholes like Chechnya and Tunisia, they also had local support from true believers, Shia-haters and those who appreciated unified governance over the mess of squabbling factions which had preceded it.

The Western reaction was wholly negative, so much so that even stodgy bureaucrats, Assad opponents, and kumbaya-singing libcucks from cowardly first world nations were galvanized into action. In September, 26 countries met in Paris and agreed to started bombing ISIS heavily; the US also bullied Turkey into letting the Kurds take their shit back.

2015: Meh

Not much changed this year. Besides Kurdish successes, the rebels took Idlib and consolidated in the south with the Druze. Most of the rebel-Assad line of battle was very low intensity, like Ukraine today. Neither side had the manpower, weaponry or supplies to engage in a more serious manner. In Iraq, the jihadis suffered multiple serious defeats by Shiite paramilitaries and the army.

I'm mostly not covering other name and branding changes in this article but (since it might come up later) in exchange for American support the Kurds accepted some token Arab groups and rebranded as the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in October.

2016: Two more weeks

There was a ceasefire most of the first half of the year, everyone focussing on beating ISIS. You'll notice a large green swath in the south: a Jordanian-trained, Western-aligned, U.S.-led opposition group. When the greenbacks started coming in, they spun off from the Allahu Akbar brigade, traded bobbing their heads 5 times a day for a pair of raybans and never looked back. No bullshit, check the article, their predecessor organization was literally called that. 'Moderates'

They remain there to this day.

The latter part of the year offensives ramped up against the jihadis.

2017: Bye-SIS

Mainly Assad and the Kurds benefitted from pushing ISIS' shit in, with the exception of that small green slice up north: Erdogan's belated decision to establish a direct Turkish proxy instead of broadly supporting the opposition. That said, progress was slow as mutual enemies proceeded cautiously. That changed in July, when America and Russia agreed to a ceasefire to focus on the jihadis. Crucially, America agreed to stop funding and supplying most rebel groups. By then, ISIS had lost the north side of the Euphrates and many key positions, but still retained their capital, Raqqa, and significant territory within Syria and Iraq.

By the end of the year that was gone too. The terrorists were defeated, and all they'd accompished in the long run was a transfer of Sunni Arab land to Alawites and Kurds.

2018: Tits-urkey and Butt-ad

Turkey was pissed off at the success the Kurds were having and the fact PKK (Kurdish rebels from Turkey) fighters were a large part of the Kurdish army. Also, 3 to 4 million Syrian refugees had fled to Turkey, where they were causing societal issues !chuds and !nooticers might recognize. Consequently, they invaded Ifrin (the leftmost canton), kicked out the Kurds and resettled many refugees there.

Meanwhile Assad took the opportunity to wipe out any rebel pockets left south of Idlib/Aleppo. By and large, he seemed the biggest winner of a multi-year debacle which had left hundreds of thousands dead, an economy destroyed, and many millions fled in all directions, but Assad still in office and in control of the majority of the country and its population, and in negotiations with the Kurds, who'd earned some crucial respect and were angling for autonomy (obviously, independence was a non-starter, given the small size of Syrian Kurdistan, hostile neighbords, lack of port and the presence of Arab factions within the SDF).

2019: Sunni shenanigans

You'll notice a splotch of c*m on the green; over the course of the year, HTS (a Salafi Islamist group that had, unlike ISIS, renounced global jihad) mostly subdued other rebels in the Idlib area. I haven't mentioned inter-rebel fighting in the interests of brevity and sanity but you should know Wikipedia acerbically calls this the "fifth inter-rebel conflict." Keep that in mind when @sandkwinn and other 80-iq antisemites call for pan-Arabism, peace with Hamas, and the like. Arabs couldn't peacefully unify in a single PROVINCE while having 1. the exact same ideology, religion and langage and 2. least two, maybe four serious external enemies in common including a bloodthirsty tyrant and the world's worst terrorist organization.

Also, Turkey expanded their foothold in the east to a 30-km "buffer zone." The Kurds reacted by letting Assad's troops in to reestablish their presence alongside SDF forces throughout much of northern Syria. Notably, throughout the whole war, Turkey refused to consider a full invasion of Syria or direct, serious confrontation with Assad (for boring reasons), so this was basically ensuring an end to Turkish incursions in exchange for letting Assad back in the hen house.

In October, Trump's Navy SEALs capped Baghdadi in Idlib. The world rejoiced.

2020:

Assad, with serious Russian support, pushed up on Idlib, and the Kurds let him operate in even more of their territory. Dozens of Turks got merked by the Russians (probably on accident), causing a diplomatic rift and retaliatory bombing of Syrian gov't positions.

2021-2024: Nothing ever happens

The frontlines stabilized and fossilized, most direct conflict ending.

Sanctions of Assad's economy caused him to increasingly rely on the production and distribution of Captagon (meth / adderall type stim) to the gulf for foreign currency. Deciding their shit wasn't fricked enough, G-d sent them some earthquakes.

The Kurds mostly acknowledged Assad's suzerainty in case of a war with Turkey while retaining their militias and local administration. Occasional skirmishes against the Syrian Army and between Kurds and Arabs within the SDF continued.

HTS "unified" Idlib - in the bare minimum sense that the 11 other factions there acknowledged their superior position while remaining independent - and started professionalizing their army, integrating drones and shit.

The American proxies sit in the desert guarding a CIA listening post and the only direct road from Baghdad to Damascus.

Everyone got bored and stopped checking r/syriancivilwar.

UNTIL THIS WEEK

Wednesday, November 27th

Neighbors in the loop saw on X that HTS had launched a small offensive in the villages west of Aleppo, catching a mostly-demobilized Syrian army by surprise and capturing a few bases, some dozens of soldiers, vehicles and equipment commensurate with a raid of that size.

Ah, the famous West Aleppo HTS T-90 is returning to the area (mildly different owners to last time) pic.twitter.com/sso4Bhw5Bh

— Cᴀʟɪʙʀᴇ Oʙsᴄᴜʀᴀ (@CalibreObscura) November 27, 2024

This footage of regime soldiers running away from their positions was taken at 36.269153, 36.958279, just to the east of the town of Qubtan al-Jabal.

This confirms initial reports Syrian rebels have captured this town in theb western #Aleppo countryside.#Syria https://t.co/yf083BTbKW pic.twitter.com/HTjqGQmCR5

— Thomas van Linge (@ThomasVLinge) November 27, 2024

قوات الأسد يسقطون أسرى بالعشرات وأحدهم يوجه رسالة إلى الباقين في جيش الأسد#ردع_العدوان #إدارة_العمليات_العسكرية pic.twitter.com/SAV6WfYaTB

— قتيبة ياسين (@k7ybnd99) November 27, 2024

Most tweets are already deleted but there were some fun vids of them beating captives, a dead Russian or two, spoils of war etc. Nobody thought anything of it. We're all used to these shitty little propaganda raids from two-bit outfits in BIPOC parts of the world like Myanmar and Ukraine. You'd have to be mainling copium to expect anything more given the shit performance of the rebels the past decade and a half... right?

Thursday, November 28th

I was busy mowing the lawn, trimming trees and hedges, weeding, cleaning out the AC drain and, like all Americans, having Thanksgiving dinner. Turkey, not Syria, was on my mind.

Turkey was on the Syrian National Army's mind too, which is to say they were grateful Turkey did not take advantage of the fact HTS was overrunning their entire shit west of Aleppo, maybe the only bright side of the debacle so far. It seems the consolidation of the past few years paid off - HTS used better equipment, were better trained, and had drones and operators never before seen in sandshit outside Israel. The advance showed no signs of stopping.

Suheil al-Hasan was spotted near the front - the pro-Russian commander of the "elite" Tiger Forces and somewhat of a civil war celebrity.

HTS managed to swiftly advance into Khan al Asal - after fierce clashes, HTS manages to seize and secure the city/suburb

They are now at the gates of Aleppo and are carrying out artillery strikes on Aleppo https://t.co/BOblD6Uh5D pic.twitter.com/sFJAAFkYfA

— ScharoMaroof (@ScharoMaroof) November 28, 2024

They reached within 7km of Aleppo's center, killing and plundering on the way. Many Syrian army guys got caught with their pants down - an Arab specialty, to whom discipline outside of active combat is a foreign concept.

https://old.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/1h25kga/dead_kia_as_regime_truck_ambushed_somewhere_in/

It looks like they knocked off an Iranian general...

NEW: Syrian rebels managed to kill IRGC’s Brigadier General Kiyomarth Porhashmi in Aleppo during the latest offensive, Iran’s SNN agency reports

He is described as the the commander of the Iranian advisors in Syria pic.twitter.com/7febUeRdm2

— Ragıp Soylu (@ragipsoylu) November 28, 2024

Meanwhile the Turks and Kurds got spooked...

🇷🇺🇸🇾⚡- Russian airstrikes are getting closer and closer to Turkish military presence. Footage shows Russian attacks against Arihah, just 2km from the Turkish base at Kafr Lata. pic.twitter.com/qTRjO1nYQL

— Zlatti71 (@Zlatti_71) November 28, 2024

🔴 Suriye Milli Ordusu, Halep Operasyonu’na katılmak üzere kuvvetlerini seferber ediyor. pic.twitter.com/NKT5hOHzIV

— Conflict (@ConflictTR) November 28, 2024

HTS and SNA media channels have started to post this - so we can do now too.

SDF is moving as well - SDF reinforcements are being deployed into Manbij. https://t.co/cYTHwBoBxQ pic.twitter.com/3nABfj9Iar

— ScharoMaroof (@ScharoMaroof) November 28, 2024

Friday, November 29th

HTS continued their excursion in Aleppo:

#BREAKING #Syria JUST IN: Video footage shows Syrian rebel forces in the Al-Furqan district of Aleppo. pic.twitter.com/b22deYQ6xM

— The National Independent (@NationalIndNews) November 29, 2024

Freeing their neighbors (and some hos) from the torture prisons:

https://old.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/1h2vzk2/tariq_bin_ziyad_prison_near_alrahman_mosque/

Capturing mad shit:

https://old.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/1h2aidp/videos_of_some_of_the_20_tanks_captured_by_rebels/

Opposition forces inside #Aleppo city have captured a whole stock of MANPADS.

Sources tell me more tanks, BMPs, anti-tank guided missiles & more have been seized in multiple weapons stores left behind by fleeing #Assad regime forces. pic.twitter.com/eCYD2wUJp8

— Charles Lister (@Charles_Lister) November 29, 2024

And the police HQ:

https://old.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/1h2v880/hts_fighters_captured_the_aleppo_police/

Laughable showing by Assad honestly.

https://old.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/1h2yxyi/rebels_caught_a_soldier_in_aleppo_who_had_been/

Most importantly, THEY TOOK THE CITADEL! This dumb butt castle or something was held by the regime the entire fricking war. It's almost unbreachable (by middle eastern standards) if properly defended. Big propaganda coup for the rebs.

History.#Syria opposition fighters pose in front of #Aleppo's citadel tonight, as the city falls from #Assad's control. pic.twitter.com/rhsHHhHAbY

— Charles Lister (@Charles_Lister) November 29, 2024

The future...?

Are Islamists (HTS), Turkey (SNA) and the Kurds (SDF) - the most unlikely allies - really going to campaign together against Assad? After 13 years during which zero cooperation took place between anyone, including at times when a slight intervention by, say, Turkey or Israel would have toppled the dictator? Or is this all hype and nothing ever happens? Will Assad counterattack with Russian or Iranian help and kick these neighbors back to Idlib?

No one knows

P.S. @DWHITE___________DYNAMITE please teach your mans how to spell drumstick

In case for some reason you haven't heard of this guy by now, Andrew Tate is a notorious s*x trafficker and even worse, a rightoid grifter. He's made an entire career saying "women bad, lgbt bad" and profiting off the chuds who clap like seals when he says these things

"behold, the savior of the whvte rvce"

Most of his income comes from his platform "The Real World" (formerly Hustler's University) an online university that supposedly teaches you how to get rich. In reality it's just a groomercord clone built from stolen code where a bunch of chuds teach each other basic economic skills and crypto bullshit and engage in the same terminally online gay behavior that occurs on groomercord.

Recently "The Real World" was hacked with a bunch of data leaked and made publicly available. You can read more about this here: https://rdrama.net/post/319407/hackers-breach-andrew-tates-online-universityobtain

With 325,000 users' emails supposedly in this leak, I decided to do some quick analysis on his fan base to test my hypothesis that they're mostly brown people like Tate himself.

How I obtained my data

1. Downloaded the leaked files and scraped them for email addresses.

2. Parsed all the email addresses, and extracted names from emails in the 'firstname.lastname@ email.xxx' format. I could have probably done this in a more sophisticated way but... I couldn't be fricked lol. I got a total of 67,000 names from this method so overall not too bad I guess.

me writing code. (I'm legitimately r-slurred at this point and need chatGPT to do literally everything for me)

Analysis

With my list of names, I thought the best way to determine whiteness would be through the last names, but looking through the most frequently occurring names it was either shit like "crypto", "business", "shop", or just random gibberish. I decided to try using first names instead

In order to determine if a first name was "white" or "brown", I decided to just do it based on my own judgement, going through a list of the most frequently occurring names and labeling them as either "W", "B", or "I" (inconclusive). I was pretty picky when it came to labeling a name as "white", for example I felt a name like "Alex" was probably just a bit too common/multicultural at this point to be considered a white name while a giga-crakkker name like "Kyle" or "Jeremy" was.

The final step was to just run this flagging system against the total list of names, and the results were...... drumroll please

White Name Count: 9807

Brown Name Count: 3907

HOLY CRAP!!! I WAS COMPLETELY WRONG AND ANDREW TATE FANS ARE CRACKERS?????

Not the result I was expecting, but interesting nonetheless.

Some Other Insights

Alex, Daniel, David, Adam and Michael are the most common names appearing on the list of users, however that isn't particularly interesting considering they are some of the most common names. NOAH might be the Tate fanboy official name, despite not even being on the list of 1,000 most common names, it's the #29th most popular name on"The Real World", appearing 106 times

"look at this fricking chud"

as you might imagine, this entire list is dominated by male names. Out of all the names I went through manually, "Andrea is the only female name that I saw. Apparently it's a male name in some parts of the world which may explain this, but it's funnier to imagine women named "Andrea" are chuds

I had a lot of fun doing this tbh and keen for any feedback/insights on potential issues with my process and what u might have done differently

TLDR IM NOT READING THIS SHIT; ANDREW TATE FANS ARE WHITE LOL AND I'VE PROVEN IT WITH SCIENCE

So, this is a bit late, I celebrated Thanksgiving a week early so didn't have time to play, so let's pick up where we left off.

So it's well known that, at some point, this game was planned to be a live service title. You can see a bit of that in the faction areas.

You earn rep, there are rep grinds, and unlock rep tiers, to get new items from rep merchants. Kinda like Destiny.

The Veil Jumpers want us to find their missing remembers a check in on a town that's gone dark. All your current party members (4) come with, which makes me wonder why they reduced the party size to 3 . On the way to the village the game takes the opportunity to show case 1 of the only 2 thing your party members are good for. Puzzles, kinda, will get to that later.

I'll say this about the art direction of it really does take the bite out of the mysticism and grandeur of a lot of thrse places we've only heard about in the previous games [emphasis on games]. I guess that's an inevitability when it comes to AAA soulless slop

The blighted village segment is another talkie hallway, I guess they were trying to build atmosphere here m, but the lighting is too bright and the cringe writing prevents anything from seeming eerie like blighted infestation used to be.

It ends with what a lot of people are calling a moral quandary, it's not really as rook is hard coded as good in their background, but yeah you get to choose to either free the mayor or leave him to die.

We return to the Veil Jumpers to report that the mystery neighbors have control of and are spreading the blight. Nostalgia then makes a cameo

I saw a crow flying around throughout arlathan and suspected it was her. As one would imagine, since near not a darn thing carries over from the previous games her appearance boils down to "Remember me tis I Morrigan, witch of the wilds, I'm important!"

We're nudged to return to the ritual site to find a mcguffin. At this point the skill tree is made available to me.

It creates the illusion of depth, lots of increase by 5% and all that crap, not much in the way if actual abilities and what little there are pretty underwhelming, and doesn't nothing more than scratch the enemy. I suspect this is largely due to me playing rogue. I felt all the promotional materials leading up to the game and the stylistic choices when it comes to abilities were encouraging to player to play a mage. The mage, from what I've seen, seems to have the most thought put into it as well. You get 3 mage party members in this game though so frick that.

We encounter more new darkspawn, look how they massacred my hurlock boi. At this point enemies become more spongey, particularly the Hurlocks that engage in spear chucking. The bow is this game low key kinda shit. It's like a shitty version of the Kingdoms of Amalur bow, particularly because Veilguard combat is largely dueling, like stellar blade, where as Kingdoms of Amalur is more action packed and the bow is meant to integrated into combos with other attacks, same can't be said for the Veilguard which results in one-sided sniper battles. The ranged units aren't any softer upclose either, and the game's parry system shits itselfif a ranged enemy is compelled to shoot you point blank.

After traversing the rest of the ruins we finally corner the ghoul who to Solas' mcguffin. This boss fight was kinda tedious, not a fan of bosses dipping out for a bit and summoning henchmen to distract you especially in multiple phases. After the first phase Harding pick up the mcguffin and turn into bullshit. I DID like how she girl bosses you out the way though.

This is when the game introduces the only other feature that companions are good for, combos.

This pretty much the extent of the combat usefulness of your party members, which is what I suspected would be the case when I saw the companions didn't have health bars in the gameplay reveal. I really hated this aspect about thw mass effect games, squadmates by and large just felt like dead weight compared to party members in other RPGs and you have even less control over your party in the Veilguard, and not only that their abilities are a on a global cooldown as well, so you're resigned to watching the spectacle of your party member leaping around launching impotent attacks dramatically while doing something actually worthwhile once every 60 seconds or so. Rook's abilities are fortunately not constrained in this manner, at least on the rogue.

So we beat the boss, retrieve the mcguffin get a scene with tge mystery neighbors, which I got to say, Ghilan'nain looks pretty cool. With the mcguffin in hand you now can use it to emulate any unlocked companions unique puzzle power, making them even more useless We return to the lighthouse and I decide to change my Rook's hair.

Have another conversation with Solas and then set off following leads on the mystery neighbors around Thedas this leads us to the crossroads

which is a sort of hub area between the various zones in the game. It has side content of its own, which are mostly flashbacks of Solas' rebellion against the gods

He had hair back then. These are kinda shit, narratively, so far, they do really portray the world Solas described at the end of trespasser and as of now are only focusing on the two currently free mystery neighbors and not the rest pantheon. From the crossroads we can unlock Treviso and Dock Town for now.

Treviso is

Seems they didn't completely nerf the cake in this game The Qunari military has invaded Treviso for some reason. Antiva has now standing army, just the reputation of it's infamous assassin's guild, a reputation that's changed for the altruistic. This once pragmatic league of assassins have now take on responsibility of protecting the citizens from the qunari and disturbing le heckin' wholesome shelter and welfare.

The crows tell you of Lucanis one of their mage killers that's locked in a underwater prison. Like most underwater sections in my experience, this place kinda sucks, it's boring and tedious to navigate through (yes I'm aware it is a circle, but it's a lumpy disjointed circle. Lucanis doesn't preform any better as a melee character than the, thus far range party members I've been working with so far. The final boss of the area is the most bullet spongy enemy I fought so far and he's protected by a barrier which I'm apparently supposed to use my rubber band arrows against. After about 25 minutes of peppering this dude I finally beat him and get lucanis as a companion.

Next stopDock Town

I get Dock Town is a slum but it really doesn't live up to the hype of tevinter that the 2018 showed off with all the magical neon signs and such.

Here you help the shadow Dragons fighting off venatori and learn they can control the darkspawn courtesy of the mystery neighbors.

This mission ends in another mage boss fight, though thankfully not as bullet spongy, just henchman spamming. With these two missions complete the game opens up and let's you engage in side missions.

I decided to help out neve in Dock Town. This turned out to be another talkie hallway mission, and there's a pattern here, as all companion's first missions are like this.

Decide on ripping the bandaid off of the black character immediately, and went on the mission to recruit Davrin.

So far he's okay on his own, and I really like his interaction with shrimp fried rice, a good depiction of elves from the sane culture, but different clans and circumstances in life, for this game at least. I didn't realize however that recruiting Davrin would immediately railroad me into a major choice involving the fate of two major cities and the side quest with in them .

I spring for Neve's city and was confronted by the spongiest most bullshit boss fight thus far.

After finally chipping away at enough of this b-word's hp to trigger her retreat the gang heads back to Treviso to find it fricked up. Lucanis is surprisingly level headed about things, but leaves the party for a bit and is hardened. I'll pause her for now and hopefully pick up sometime later next week. So far the game suffers from the same slow start inquisition did, but doesn't have the mechanical depth or the filler to experience it in of that game. There are few plot hooks however the motivate me to keep on trudging along.

May 22nd, 1960. At 15:11, near the town of Traiguén, located at what nowadays is the Region of Araucanía, tectonic rupture occurred. The result was a powerful earthquake, it scored a magnitude of 9.5 Mw, the highest ever recorded in human history. The earthquake triggered a tsunami wave, around 30 ft tall traveling at a speed of around 95 miles per hour. The earthquake also moved the Earth's axis by 3cm.

The Valdivia Earthquake (names after the town of Valdivia) ended up destroying most of the towns in Southern Chile. On May 28th the local newspaper "La Cruz del Sur" published a preliminary report on the victims. 962 killed, 1410 missing, 140 injured, this as far as the authorities were aware up to the date.

Welcome to the Republic of Chile

Greetings dramatards, as promised here starts or journey into what would become one of the most famous dictatorships of the Americas, the Chilean Military Junta. But before getting into the story of our infamous General and his Junta de Gobierno, first it's time to cover the basics of how Chile came to the point of democratic rupture. So let's start giving some context.

By the early 1960s Chile was a poor country. It wasn't the poorest in Latin America and while it fared better than most of the South American continent, the fact remained that it lagged far behind Argentina and Uruguay, the only countries which by that time counted with a large middle class. Chile was highly unequal and a significant portion of its population was still rural with peasants moving to the outskirts of Santiago forming what was known as "campamentos", basically shanty towns, favelas.

Chile's upper class what still composed by a few selective families from the colonial period (mostly of Basque origin) and rather new families of 19th century immigrant background (mostly from Britain, Germany, Croatia, etc) which also made up a big part of its small middle-class.

Despite all this, Chile was still a robust democracy. The constitution in effect at the time was the 1925 constitution which leads us to the Chilean government of the early 1960s.

The then President of Chile was Jorge Eduardo Alessandri Rodríguez.

Born in Santiago de Chile in 1896, he was the son of the late politician Arturo Alessandri Palma (1868-1950), who also served as President of the Republic between 1920 to 1925, and then again from 1932 to 1938.

Jorge Alessandri was elected President in the 1958 election. Under the 1925 Constitution the President of Chile was elected by a majority of 50%+ of the popular vote, if all candidates failed to achieve the 50% threshold, then Congress would elect the President, which is exactly what happened in 1958.

Alessandri was an independent, but he was supported by a coalition of right-wing parties

The results of the popular vote of the 1958 were:

Jorge Alessandri Rodríguez - 31.56%

Salvador Allende Gossens - 29.85%

Eduardo Frei Montalva - 20.70%

The resulting vote in Congress was Alessandri getting 147 votes and Allende getting 26. Salvador Allende was the candidate for the Socialist Party of Chile and a coalition of left-wing parties, while Eduardo Frei Montalva was a candidate for the PDC, (Partido Democráta Cristiano) or Christian Democratic Party which was a socially conservative but economically centrist political party.

Alessandri's style was what he nicknamed "gerencia" or "management", the point of which was to manage Chile as if it were a private company. By the early 1960s Chile was in dire need of reform, and the Valdivia Earthquake wasn't of help. After the earthquake Alessandri went to the US and got aid thanks to President John F. Kennedy and his "Alliance for Progress" program, which included 422 million dollars to help the damaged of Chile. The Chekhov earthquake also triggered the arrival of another important actor of this story later on…

The Alliance for Progress programs also promoted certain policies, among the most important of them, land reform. In 1962 which was also the year where Chile was host of the World Cup, Alessandri signed the first land reform bill which was rather modest on its reach. By the end of his term he felt like Chile needed deeper structural reforms if they were to develop as their agriculture was lagging behind, he also oversaw projects of public housing in urban areas. However Alessandri's disapproval increased while left-wing parties grew stronger.

The 1964 Presidential Election

By 1964 there was a growing fear of Allende being elected. The Conservative Coalition was unpopular and of the top of the recent Cuban Revolution, left-wing guerrilas began to sprang up in Chile, like the MIR (Movimiento Revolucionario de Izquierda). Due to this, the rightoid candidate of that year, Julio Durán, decided to withdraw from the race and support the based centrist Eduardo Frei Montalva.

Eduardo Nicanor Frei Montalva was born in Santiago in 1911. He was the son of a swiss immigrant, Eduardo Frei Schlinz, and a Chilean woman, Victoria Montalva Martínez. After getting support from Durán he unknowingly got another ally, the United States of America and the CIA

In order to help Frei Montalva's campaign, the CIA secretly funneled 2.6 million dollars to his campaign, along another 3 million dollars on anti-Allende political propaganda. This was done according without his knowledge lmao.

The final results of the 1964 election were:

Eduardo Frei Montalva - 56.09%

Salvador Allende Gossens - 38.93%

Julio Durán Neumann - 4.98%

Frei Motalva was sworn in as President of the Republic on November 3rd of that same year.

Back then the President of Chile lasted 6 years in office and couldn't be consecutively re-elected. This becomes important later on

Frei Montalva begin what he called "Revolution in Liberty", placing an emphasis in improving education (over 3,000 schools were built during his presidency), social housing (over 130k units) and unionization. Union membership in Chile rose from 270,000 in 1964 to 550,000 in 1970 (by the latter date Chile had a population of around 9.8 million inhabitants). Another achievement was the reduction of child mortality from 103 per 100k to 79 per 100k.

He nationalized electrical companies and electrical input in Chile increased 50% during his presidency. There was also a huge investment to develop the steel industry (steel production increased from 620,000 metric tons to over a million).

Finally we arrive at other strong points of his administration, land reform and the nationalization of copper. Frei Montalva signed his first land reform bill in 1966 (expropriating and distributing 3.5 million hectares) and proceeded with a process called "chilenización" or chilenization of copper.

Copper to this day Chile's most important and valuable export , back in the days the mines belonged to American multinationals. Frei Montalva created the "Corporación Nacional del Cobre" (CODELCO) and implemented a partial nationalization. The idea was to buy Chilean mines or to expropriate and indemnify multinationals to a point where the Chilean state would own 51% of the copper. Chilenization began in 1965 and the partial nationalization in 1969.

The year 1969 was the stage of a minor insurrection by the army against the government, due to poor equipment and salaries, showing some clashes the armed forced already had with the government along their dissatisfaction.

The 1970 Presidential Election

In the year 1965 the Movimiento de Izquierda Revolucionaria (MIR) was founded, with the goal of overthrowing the government by means of armed struggle in order to install a communist regime. Salvador Allende however kept insisting on getting power through legitimate means. In 1970 his coalition was the Unidad Popular (Popular Union) or UP. It was composed by the Socialist Party, the Communist party and other minor leftoid parties of Chile

Salvador Guillermo Allende Gossens was born in Santiago in 1908, like most of the Chilean politicians, he belonged to an old money family with roots going back to the colonial era, the Allendes. He studied medicine at the University of Chile and was part of the founding of the Socialist Party of Chile in 1933

The rightoid candidate that year was good old Jorge Alessandri who by then was 74 years old and was suffering from some health issues. People mocked his ability to govern while Allende and co criticized Frei Montalva for not going far enough with his reforms (a.k.a. going full commie).

Alessandri was accused by leftoids of being senile and having early onset parkinson, meanwhile the PDC candidate was Radimiro Tomic , a centre-leftist who had an informal pact with Allende.

The campaign was a bitter one and the everyone was concerned about what would be the military's position if Allende was elected. On an interview with the rightoid newspaper "El Mercurio", the then commander of the Chilean Army, General René Schneider pointed out that that the army would stand and abide by the Constitution regardless of who the winner was.

The CIA didn't support any particular candidate against Allende that year, except for funneling 350,000 dollars to Alessandri's campaign. A CIA report informed that Cuba spent 350,000 dollars on Allende and after the end of the Cold War declassified documents from the KGB showed that the Soviet Union sent 400,000 dollars to Allende's campaign through the Cubans.

Finally, election day came on September 4th, 1970, and the results were:

Salvador Allende Gossens - 36.63%

Jorge Alessandri Rodríguez - 35.29%

Radomiro Tomic Romero - 28.08%

Chilean chuds got into panic mode . Technically Congress could elect anyone as President if they failed to break the 50% threshold, but in practice they would elect the candidate who got a plurality of votes.

Alarm bells also ringed at Washington DC, where President Richard Nixon ordered to stop it from happening. The CIA then devised two plans known as "track 1" and "track 2".

Track 1 consisted in making Congress elect Alessandri, who would then proceed to immediately resign. This would trigger a snap election where the current and rather popular president, Eduardo Frei Montalva, could run again and win. This plan however failed as the PDC supported Allende on the October 24th Congress voting. This was due to an informal gentleman's agreement between Allende and Tomic, whereby one would acknowledge the other's victory if the difference was above 5,000 votes, and would only acknowledge a potential Alessandri victory if the latter won by a difference of 100,000 votes.

After this failed, track two came into scene. Meanwhile the KGB had instructions to help Allende be sworn in. Track Two consisted of creating a climate of political instability as to allow the armed forced to intervene and stop Allende from becoming president. Henry Kissinger was personally involved in the main operation which consisted of kidnapping General Schneider, the commander of the Chilean army, as a trigger for intervention (a leftoid guerrila would be blamed). General Roberto Viaux was in charge of the operation, however it failed as Scheinder resisted and he was killed. His assassination however paved the way for a different leadership in the army.

Salvador Allende was sworn in as President of the Republic on November 3rd, 1970. His government plan was one of complete nationalization of copper, but without compensation, raising wages, freezing prices, and continue mass expropriation of land but with a more aggressive approach.

In order to pass his nationalizations, he based his decrees as being authorized by the short lives 1932 "Socialist Republic" (a bogus commie government which lasted for a few months). Nationalization of copper however was passed by congress with unanimity as it was a process which was bound to happen.

The US responded with a boicot and denial of credits for Chile, however Allende managed to get gibs from the Soviet Union.

According to former KGB General Nikolai Leonov, the USSR provided financial aid in the form of 100 million dollars of credit, 3 fishing boats, new factories, 3,100 tractors and 74,000 tons of wheat.

By 1971 deficit skyrocketed from 3.5% to 9.8% and by 1972 inflation kicked in as the government began activated the money printing machine a year earlier. Then came scarcity of goods and the rise of the black market along rationing.

The increase of money circulation was of 173% in 1972 and 413% by 1973, and with it also an economic recession. Allende blamed it on hoarders. Meanwhile guerrilla groups like MIR which by then felt empowered by government and had amassed almost 100k members were pushing land reform by themselves, with the government doing little to nothing to stop them. MIR took over factories and land properties while the government refused to send the carabineros (police force). Polarization and political violence characterized his 3 years as President. Allende tried to get the USSR to invest 400 million dollars on Chile through factories and infrastructure. However by late 1972 the Soviets denied Chile any further aid requests

In the mist of chaos, by the year 1973 a plot was being developed within the high command of the Chilean Navy, along other conspirators of the armed forces and some help of Burger glowies

!historychads !anticommunists !neolibs !latinx

Who would you have voted for in the following elections

1958 Election

1964 Election

1970 election

Our story begins with a whore called Em Indica, who decided to make a list of whores in the porn industry who support Trump, obviously intending to have them blacklisted.

You can immediately see the problem with this list. Namely, it is more appropriate to call it a "List of people who have said something that made me in any way upset on the internet", as is usually the case.

Naturally, the whores being called out didn't take this lying down.

CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT TAKE THIS DOWN. @

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THIS POST IS HARASSMENT

LMAYO 🤣

Yo, what is @BlizzieMcguire trying to say here? "Loser Mayo"?

In all seriousness, it is obvious that Ms. Indica is trying to start a witch hunt here, and to pretend otherwise is r-slurred.

I'am French ! I can't vote in your country You're ridiculous.

This isn't about who voted, its about who's expressed love and admiration for trump. Which you have 🤷🏻‍♀️

ou're free to think what you want and so am I. Is it a trial ? I don't think what you you're doing is really legal …

Correct, and you pissed some people off. That's the consequences of your own actions

No? Where in that is it a threat?

You are telling me that I'am gonna face some consequences, I want to know what consequences are you talking about ? What's your point?

Yeah, some people aren't going to want to work with you because you support trump. That's just the way it is.

So you're telling me that her point is to make me loose my job ? Make me loose money? em_indica do you agree ?

There are people that don't want anything to do with trump supporters. It would be like someone putting you on their no list.

Wouldn't it be funny if the Trump whores decided to make a list of people who support this list and then have them counter-blacklisted.

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Darn, that's one thirsty boy.

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Fun fact, I once made a post about this guy and y'all seemed to like it.

I'm an extreme alt right?! 😱😂😂😂!!! RFKjr is an independent 🙄

You've literally praised Trump when he won. Sit down.

When? So people deserve to be put on a gestapo list?

So apparently you're slow too.

The future is going to be bright from Elon??!! Okay dude! And JFK slogan. Apparently your not bright.

Yeah. On a photo of him with Trump. Don't let go of that last brain cell there.

TDS!!!

Are you mad mommy might get deported?

How do you deport ashes? Asking for a friend!

You toss them over the wall? 🤷‍♂️

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True

Remove me from this list immediately

I'm not even a porn star but thanks for the inclusion

It's so nice when big creators give a shoutout to the small creators

em_indica would you mind adding me to the list please? Ty

Real interesting to see ♠️ people for trump, makes you think!

Yeah, a lot of these galls are findommes and hotwives. That just proves how diverse the MAGA movement truly is.

I'm about to stick a lawyer so far up your butt remove me right now

Am I supposed to feel bad for being on this list or something 🤣🤣

I mean, seriously.

This b-word tried to put forth another girl for the list but was too much of a kitty to @ her.

And she gets rightfully called out for that.

But then, somebody casually drops that SHE MIGHT BE THE MOST BASED WHORE IN HISTORY:

NOOOOOO WHAT ?! omg. Baddie down

Shes been an issue for a while from what Ive known. Didnt she light a sub on fire?

She also faked being trans on omegal as a "prank"

I had no idea about this jfc

Yeah I unfollowed her shortly after that and for her "jokes" about fricking her finger monkey

HOLY SHIT DRAMANAUTS! WE NEED TO FIND OUT EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS QUEEN!

It might all be a giant nothingburger though.

She's gonna lose a lot of money with that pledge

If this girl weren't sperging out at the Trump whores throughout this whole thread, I would have thought that she was being sarcastic.

Anyway, let's get back on track:

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Honestly, it's such a red flag that you think it is hateful to provide information like this that I am unfollowing you and will be adding you to my own list of people to not work with or trust.

NOOOOO! HOW DARE YOU NOT BE AS UNHINGED AS I AM!

I wonder if any of them were paid by the Trump campaign and/or Russia

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You are a NAZI. I look forward to DOWNMARSEYING and NOT RECOMMEDING YOU on the 40 plus sites I am a proud #P4YP member of. WOW Hateful is one of the words you are. Also insane, take a breath. rethink this maybe. SHAME on you.

You tell her, hoss!

I don't think you have to really worry about pressing the thumbs down for this one she won't cross your feed often 😂

next you should make a list of all ur fans/followers who voted opposite to your political beliefs, & block them. because why stop at being partially absurd.

Another good point. How come she's only blacklisting people who don't throw money at her?

One of the biggest lolcows in this drama is a girl called @Betty_BouncePSO, who went out of her way to bring up Project 2025 in almost every reply:

Enjoy it while you can project 2025 will ban all s*x work and porn, y'all just killed your own industry 😆

You're a weird b-word for voting for the candidate that will implement project 2025 which will ban all sexwork and porn, you killed your own industry to vote for a male feminist. 😆😆😆

Project 2025 will ban all porn and s*x work, 😆😆

Educated? Project 2025 will ban all sexwork and porn, you just put yourself out of a job 😆

Project 2025 will ban all s*x work and porn, you just voted to kill your own industry 😆😆😆

Another big lolcow is @KandyKittyXXX who absolutely sperged out at every opportunity she had (at least I think it's a "she"):

Wow the trash is really coming out probably today isn't it?

How dare you think this is about opinions. Oh right, I forgot, you're an idiot.

As I remembered I had to be a coalition to make sure that the fascist party didn't get into power in France. Being French doesn't absolve you of anything. In fact it was pretty much guess which way you voted in France.

Oh my God we got another one that makes me listen to stand how bad Donald Trump's economics are. I failed to see how your educated when you don't see how a 60% tariff is going to impact your wallet not his.

Because if their religious beliefs include bigotry, we are just as entitled to know when someone believes in a sky daddy to justify their insanity.

You know the best thing about you voting for Trump, because I know you'll continue doing porn hoping that you won't be the one arrested for it. Which means you'll be the first to be arrested for it.

The irony of your tweet coming from somebody who just supported a man who literally perpetuated hate.

How is this unethical? I want to stay as far away from these people as possible especially as I work in the industry. To me it's a blacklist that is tremendously helpful.

I don't recall her attending a rally that literally attacked every minority you could name in Madison square garden. If this is the case please show us.

To the surprise of no one, this is what she looks like:

There are several more of these lolcows, but you get the gist of it.

Apparently, there was at least one failed attempt at defamation already.

"Ummm maybe you shouldn't joke in BAD TASTE sweaty."

Here's a blog that lists porn stars accused of sexual assault as well as acting like chuds on the internet. Clearly the same thing. it is somehow connected to this list. Don't ask me how, I have no idea.

This article points out that a person who helped co-author this list, porn star Michael Vegas, is a known abuser in the porn industry. Who would have thought?

It also helps summarize this whole drama. So there.

Some choice quotes from the top food scientists of reddit

/u/Brujo-Bailando writes

>We drank it growing up and didn't get sick....Flys were a problem in warmer weather and you would have to pick them out of the milk...Sometimes it had cow poo on it.

Make Americans drink poop milk again!

/u/ahifun writes

>Been drinking it for years, I still drink it when it is a bit old and goes a bit sour after 1-2 weeks. There is no health risk, it is all cap to protect the interests of large dairy producers...it reduces the enzymes and good bacteria, it reduces nutrients and makes it taste worse...Raw milk goes sour faster but even if it goes sour there is very low health risk. If a milk is cooked/heated and then it goes sour, that is where you get the toxic bacteria.

Milk souring is a separate process from spoiling, as it occurs when lactose splits into different acids. But with that falsehood out of the way, I'm sure this genius knows a lot about microbiology. He could definitely name the good/bad bacterias he's talking about straight from memory, doubly so for his nutrients and enzymes.

/u/KT0QNE jokerposts his milkifesto

>A commercial food producer gives listeria or e-coli and recalls multiple product lines and nobody bats an eye. But some small farmer who has everything to lose tries to sell raw milk and everyone loses their mind.

People have been drinking raw milk for thousands of years.

People have been eating fermented milk products for thousands a year, leading some, not all, to develop a gene that prolongs their infantile ability to break down lactose based on the trace amounts found in processed milk. Dairy producing countries pre-pasturation did not have raw milk drinking cultural traditions outside of farmland, as refridgeration to slow down the growth of bacteria of raw milk didn't exactly exist.

/u/teatsqueezwe

>Raw milk actually has good and useful bacteria as well as vitamins and nutrients that get destroyed in the Pasteurizing process.

Such as? What are they? How much is lost?

A true blue fentposter /u/Cliphdiver adds:

>Ive been drinking raw milk since 1972, you whippersnappers. And Ive lived on a farm all my life. The raw milk scare began when factories started operating near farms. Google it. When the Govt got involved, they decided to kill everything in milk, no more problems. Now your drinking white water for $4 a gallon. (With some vitamins thrown in) You dont need any fancy equipment. Just a healthy cow and a bucket. BEWARE: make darn sure you double filter it (straining) to catch anything that may have fallen in the bucket during milk process. ENJOY and f"@K the FDA!

Is it safe or does it need to be strained? I hope they have a strainer from the future that can filter microbes smaller than milk's existing fats.

/u/Vinlands

>There used to be underground markets selling raw milk because it was so sought after. Imagine actual swat teams showing up to raid the shops to "protect" us. I'm not on either side of whether its safe or not; I just don't understand why the government would interfere and say raw milk is illegal.

Past ignorance does not somehow make the repeating the same stupidity less ignorant. The police comes because raw milk farmers are a threat to society, and honestly they should be shot where they stand so we don't have to hear them whining that they can't profit off selling people dangerous bullshit. Libertarians can't comprehend this because they're stupid enough to be libertarians in the first place.

/u/huntsvillekan posts the following legitament historical account detailing why you can't trust dairy farmers not to kill people, ergo why they must be regulated by force under capitalism: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/surprisingly-intolerant-history-milk-180969056/

Some highlights: 8000 yearly deaths in NYC from unregulated milk farmers, "The Greeks castigated barbarians for their gluttonous desire for dairy...in Rome, milk was widely regarded as low-status food because it was something only farmers drank," "

It would take both technological innovation and a change in social mores to popularize animal milk...milk was one of the first foods to be truly affected by industrialization"

So is mass milk drinking thousands of years old and ubiquitous, or a product of the industrial revolution. Anyway...

/u/chobbs2006 comes in explaining how raw milk is their latest schizo-cure to the new in-vogue hypochondriac illness: GERD!

>I've been drinking Jersey A2 raw milk for about 10 months, in addition to my plant-free diet. I add in 2 to 3 oz of heavy whipping cream into 8 to 10 oz of raw milk. It's been amazing so far! I feel like it's healing my gut. I used to have really bad gerd, what's the diet took mostly care of, But now I am able to have a little bit of fruit or honey if I wish and not get heartburn anymore. What makes it unsafe are too primary things, how it is harvested, ie the hygiene and sanitation of the farm, and the cold chain. But I'm also about to make some raw kefir, can't wait

It's like these fad-diet chasers come out of a factory somewhere

Most of the remaining commenters of note just have anecdotes about living on a farm, drinking raw milk, and using a fricking cheesecloth on their already contaminated milk to get the shit-chunks out.

Happy drinking!

Hello, I've got 2 hours before work is done, and I'm too lazy to do anything productive so I'll write this quick post discussing the Indian Question in South Africa. It makes me sad that I even have to write this post because I love all races and I want to live in a multicultural rainbow nation. Unfortunatey, there are some people who are more concerned about tribal in-group bias than unity.

Indians in South Africa

As you can imagine, Indians are not native to South Africa. Yet the country has an Indian population of close to 1.7 million. Furthermore, the South African city of Durban is one of the largest ethnically Indian-populated cities outside of India.

Indians first arrived in South Africa in 1860, during the country's colonial era. The first lot of Indians (approximately 342 of them) were brought in on a ship called the Truro, and the intention was to use the Indians as indentured workers on sugr plantations in the province of KwaZulu-Natal. Indians were originally taken from Calcutta and Madras, but eventually labour was taken from other areas of India as well. Colonial workers generally didn't give a shit about keeping proper records. Consequently, many Indian last names in South Africa are corruptions of their proper Indian last names.

Under Apartheid, Indians were subordinated, though they enjoyed better treatment than the Blacks did. Due to forced removals, Indians were forced into their own ghettoes. It is during this time that Indians started gaining the reputation of being "Jew-ish". Much like Jewish populations, they formed insular communities, small businesses, and they stopped relying on the government for services, instead building their own schools and temples. To this day, Indian-built schools produce some of the best students in the country. Consequently, a lot of wealth accumulated within Indian communities, which naturally attracted jealousy.

Anti-Indian Racism in South Africa

Anti-Indian discrimination was certainly present during Apartheid, and it was not uncommon for Indians to be referred to using the racist term "coolie". Blacks were also racist towards Indians, and this is seen through the Durban riots of 1949 in which South Africans took to the streets to loot Indian businesses, stone Indian vehicles, and break into homes. The riots, which lasted for days, were extremely violent and involved acts of assault, r*pe, and murder. In total, 142 Indians were killed, and there were several suicides following the riots due to families being destroyed. This marks the second-deadliest massacre during Apartheid.

Naturally, one would question why the massacre happened. It's generally theorized that there was already animosity between the Indian and Black populations in Durban, and this peaked on January 13 when Harilal Basanth, a 40-year-old Indian shop-owner, smashed 14-year-old George Madondo's head into a shop window.

Do not see Indians as eternal victims, however. It's also important to note that violence during the riots wasn't one-sided and several Zulus were assaulted by Indians. Furthermore, they created the racist term "bululu" to refer to Black people. There's a new term for chuds who want to fine-tune their racism.

The EFF and the Indian Question

Post-Apartheid, South Africa has dealt with problems of racism, but for the most part, ordinary South Africans get on with life in a multicultural society in a mostly peaceful manner. Problems arose in 2018 when the South African communist party called the Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) raised the Indian Question. The EFF is led by Julius Malema, who many have foolishly been led to believe is South Africa's president. No! He was the head of the ANC's Youth League (the ANC is the African National Congress which is South Africa's ruling party since democracy was instated in 1994). During his time in the Youth League he showed himself to be a hothead not afraid to speak his mind. Here he is telling a mayo BBC to frick off with his "white tendencies".

He proved too much of a hothead to be controlled by the ANC, and he eventually formed his own party, the EFF. In the 2024 elections, they earned 10.80% of the votes. In 2018, he declared that the majority of Indians are racist.

This was met with pushback from the media and the Indian population who declared that Malema is being racist. As it usually does, the party did not back down and instead released a long statement addressing the "Indian question".

https://www.facebook.com/economicfreedomstruggle/posts/on-the-indian-question-in-south-africa-a-response-to-mob-psychologists-by-the-na/1143818679092596/

The Chairperson also released an explosive article defending Malema's comments on Indian people. Some choice quotes:

It is a historical fact that Indians arrived in the political territory we call South Africa today as indentured labourers from 1860 onwards. This automatically disqualifies them as indigenous South Africans in the same way whites, who had arrived earlier than the indentured labourers are not indigenous Africans.

Indians were brought to South Africa during the indigenous Africans Wars of resistance, and there is no record that they fought on the side of Africans. On the contrary, prominent Indian leaders like Mahatma Gandhi recognised and worshipped the colonial empire and spread ideological and political gibberish that "whites and Indians were bonded by an Aryan bloodline that had no place for the African" as empirically proved in the book The South African Gandhi: Stretcher-Bearer of Empire by Desai & Vahed, 2015. The intellectual honesty that defined these two authors while writing about Gandhi's racism escaped one of them in the immediate aftermath of calling out the Momoniat racism.

Even though Indians and whites make up the smallest sections of the population, combined they own and control more land, deciding on the racial and apartheid spatial planning. It is one thing to expose and reflect on already existing racial divisions, and it is another to divide a country that is already racially divided. All the EFF has done since its formation in 2013 is to expose these societal contradictions. It is not possible to further divide such a deeply divided country, but we can only move towards eradicating such inequality by honest and frank engagements.

There are many instances of reported anti-African racism from the Indian community in the stores, workplaces, homes, schools, which do not get reported on. Those who are recipients of Indian racism are often of subjugate economic standing and as stated in the perspective here, economic subjugation of the African majority is the root cause of anti-African racism from both white and Indian communities.

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2018-06-21-on-the-indian-question-in-south-africa-a-response-to-mob-psychologists/

Pushback came in strong:

and even this annoying DEAD cuck Eusebius McKaiser decided to comment.

Conclusion

Unfortunately, racial relations between Blacks and Indians have not improved and in 2021, there were more riots that resulted in 20 deaths. Clashes between Blacks and Indians took place in the suburb of Phoenix.

So what do you think? Are Indians in South Africa victims of anti-Indian racism? Or do Blacks have genuine reason to fight against Indians? I'd love to hear your opinion. Sorry for the relatively shitty post.

INTRO:

Greetings Dramatards

Yesterday on my father's farm, while we were busy vaccinating cows, by injecting medicine directly into their eyelids and eyeballs, I then had a moment to read an Afrikaans article about Elon Musk's incredible rise in stature, where he had managed to make powerful friends with Trump, and had managed to secure great power and influence by becoming the head of a newly created Department of Efficiency in USA - a newly created organization, which would endeavor during Trump's tenure to investigate Federal spending, and cut bloated or mismanaged funds by the American Nation State.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/13/trump-names-musk-and-ramaswamy-to-head-new-government-efficiency-department

Supposedly, this was because of Elon's cost-cutting measures which he had done, when he decimated Twatter's bloated workforce by something like 50% in the 1st week, and eventually by 80% overall by the end of the year he bought it. His appointment has been met with positivity by Magatards and the crowds, with the belief that he would endeavour to reduce the annual budget - and he had even made a campaign promise to slash the Colossal yank annual spending of 6 Trillion$, by 2 Trillion$ - video of which has been making rounds

When doubts had been raised by other rightoids of the feasibility of this grand feat, or the reliability of Elon, Magatards had just shouted them down

I'm here to explain why I believe Elon is a horrifying appointment

AMERICAN RIGHTWINGERS MISS THE DANGER OF MUSK:

The Afrikaans article was from a local Economist short paper and they like my own, have their biases to Rightwing type views. While the majority of criticism against Elon has been my lefties, communists and welfare leeches, which poisons the conversation about this significant event. Commies despise Elon for his Libertarian standing, and the fact that Billionares even exist as a concept - so the loudest people whom had opposed this announcement on Twatter had been fricking commies afraid Elon would slash their Neetbux instead of any policy or ethics criticism - which further poisoned the well of this discussion.

Now pissing off leftoids is always a GOOOOOD THING!

But many other rightwingers, like Patrick Boyle - who's a Libertarian Mick

have been criticizing Elon hard for his business acumen, his professional and public behaviour and his staggering corruption. And we'll get to that corruption.

The article I read went to such an extreme, as to calling Elon Musk's appointment, the equivalent of a Gupta appointment.

https://rdrama.net/post/162984/marseyflagsouthafrica-south-african-theme-park-racism

Basically the context is that during the infamously corrupt Safrican president Jacob Zuma's 10 years in office, he had esentiallly sold the very grounds beneath the feet of south africans, to the criminal Indian Gupta family, by giving them nationscale nepotistic appointments to their companies via tenders - and allowing the Guptas to pilfer the national resources of the country - in what was termed State Capture.

Elon Musk has similar degrees of monstrous conflicts of interest.

FEASIBILITY OF MUSK'S CAMPAIGN PROMISES:

Now there are a great of inefficiency which Musk can tackle

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/federal-spending/

Chances are even that it's even feasible that Musk and Trump could cut the annual 7.5 Trillion Budget by as much as 1 Trillion per year, by cutting off all of the Governmental bloat - like the top heavy Educational boards of urban schools filled with parasites, or in the very least make the Pentagon to a national audit see all the various black holes in which yank Federal funding are disappearing into (an audit alone would make Musk's new department worth it alone)

The issue is not the feasibility or the degree of feasibility of Musk curbing Government spending, but that there are phenomenal, PHENOMINAL conflicts of interest!

ARTICLES EXPLORING DEVIOUS CONFLICTS OF INTEREST:

A New York article written 3 weeks ago goes into how much US Tax dollars have been paying to various tenders obtained by companies owned by Musk's corporate conglomerates.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/20/us/politics/elon-musk-federal-agencies-contracts.html

https://archive.ph/kUw8W

The obvious answer would be SpaceX, Musk's space ship building organization, which has worked with, and in may ways supplanted NASA as the premier Space Rocket launching hub in the Western World - due to the fact that SpaceX has been able to organize itself in such a way as to superiorly run entity, and drive space related projects cheaper and with greater skill than the floundering modern NASA.

This world-famous and generally positively viewed symbiotic relationship, by both sides of the aisle in burgerland, between NASA and SpaceX, has been very VERY lucrative for Musk. However NASA is just one fraction of the government tenders SpaceX receives, since the Burgerland Department of Defense has come to rely on SpaceX the company, to launch all of its new military-related satellites!!

The non-space related shit in honestly not that many, but his influence on other shit, like the department of transportation is wild.

But much much more concerning that all of these tenders for !Burgers, is that over the past 10 years, Mush has been fricking embroiled in no less than TWENTY investigations from USA government oversight and Safety-Inspection organizations!!!!!

And these aren't just junk no-nothing investigations, they have large impact on the wider industries they influence in which Musk's various conglomerate companies are a part of.

Example:

=====(from NYT article)

His entanglements with federal regulators are also numerous and adversarial. His companies have been targeted in at least 20 recent investigations or reviews, including over the safety of his Tesla cars and the environmental damage caused by his rockets.

But he has thrown his fortune and power behind former President Donald J. Trump and, in return, Mr. Trump has vowed to make Mr. Musk head of a new "government efficiency commission" with the power to recommend wide-ranging cuts at federal agencies and changes to federal rules.

That would essentially give the world's richest man and a major government contractor the power to regulate the regulators who hold sway over his companies, amounting to a potentially enormous conflict of interest.

........multipronged business arrangements with the federal government, as well as the violations, fines, consent decrees and other inquiries federal agencies have ordered against his companies. Together, they show a deep web of relationships: Instead of entering this new role as a neutral observer, Mr. Musk would be passing judgment on his own customers and regulators.

Already, Mr. Musk has discussed how he would use the new position to help his own companies.

He has questioned a rule that required SpaceX to obtain a permit for discharging large amounts of potentially polluted water from its launchpad in Texas. He also said that limiting this kind of oversight could help SpaceX reach Mars sooner — "so long as it is not smothered by bureaucracy," he wrote on X, his social-media platform. "The Department of Government Efficiency is the only path to extending life beyond Earth."

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........But the Federal Aviation Administration held up this most recent test launch for weeks, in part because of questions about harm SpaceX has caused to wildlife near its Texas launch site, a delay that infuriated Mr. Musk.

Last month, the F.A.A. started the process to fine SpaceX $633,009 for disregarding license requirements related to two of its Florida launches last year that may have compromised safety, the agency said.

This was a shift for the F.A.A., which in past instances had not imposed fines when SpaceX ignored the agency's direct orders. Marc Nichols, the F.A.A.'s chief counsel, said in a statement last month that "failure of a company to comply with the safety requirements will result in consequences."

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has opened five investigations of Tesla, including for complaints of unexpected braking, loss of steering control and crashes while cars were in "self-driving" mode.

Tesla has tried to block at least two rulings from the National Labor Relations Board, including one punishing Mr. Musk for tweeting that factory workers would lose stock options if they joined a union.

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Mr. Musk in recent years has particularly attacked the Securities and Exchange Commission, which in 2018 charged him with securities fraud for a series of false and misleading tweets related to taking Tesla private. Mr. Musk had posted on Twitter that he had planned to take the company private at $420 a share, and that he had "funding secured" for a transaction. As part of a later settlement with the S.E.C., he stepped down as Tesla's chairman and Tesla paid a $20 million fine.

In a 2022 TED Talk, Mr. Musk lambasted regulators, calling them "bastards."

=====(end NYT Quote)

As you guys can see our turbo neurodivergent has been every bit the morally bankrupt billionare as you would expect.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-list-government-subsidies-tesla-billions-spacex-solarcity-2021-12

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2024-11-14/elon-musk-conflicts-of-interest

=====(from LA times article)

Tesla:

Trump's policies could reduce the sales of electric vehicles, but with Musk's influence, his administration's policies could boost Tesla — though not with federal funding.

For example, Trump, who tempered criticism of electric vehicles after Musk backed him, might end a $7,500 tax credit for electric vehicles. That would hurt Tesla's unprofitable rivals that rely more on the tax credits to lure customers.

This year, Tesla received at least $2.8 million from the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation through a federally funded program to deploy EV charging stations.

From 2022 to 2024, Tesla and its subsidiaries were awarded at least $631,800 in federal contracts mainly to provide vehicles for the U.S. embassies in Singapore, Iceland and Thailand, the data showed.

The Boring Co.:

Fed up with Los Angeles traffic, Elon Musk launched The Boring Co. with two tweets in 2016, promising "to build a tunnel boring machine and just start digging."

However, at Trump's urging, congressional representatives could earmark local transportation projects to the benefit of Boring Co.

=====(end LA Times quote)

SUPER PACS:

Point is his new political influence would give him the capacity to disrupt investigations into his companies, by Health-and-Safety departments and regulators, or worse and most likely enable him to inject bias into the national procurement procedures, to net tenders for only his conglomerate of companies.

Now in the past, staggering corruption has existed. Yanks have appointed business tycoons into ministerial levels of power, or bought the Departments of regulators through influential lobbying by corrupt industry political interests, often through obscuring disguise called SUPERPACS

https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/super-pacs/2024

Like fossil-fuel industries, like coal-mining or offshore-oil-drilling conglomerates to bribe politicians in congress, senate or Presidential admin, to cut regulations in their favor. (Must has also done this for Trump BTW )

https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-america-pac-trump-d248547966bf9c6daf6f5d332bc4be66

But often these corrupt businessmen would be separated by a degree of control, by the corrupt politicians they aimed to control or influence - Musk would have not even ONE degree of such separation, and likely no fricking oversight.

MUSK'S VARIOUS BUSNINESS INTEREST'S SOAR IN VALUE ON STOCK MARKET:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/11/22/elon-musks-net-worth-hits-record-high-thanks-to-57-billion-post-election-windfall/

The corruption is SO flagrant that investors on the stock market have gone crazy in investing on in his various businesses, out of the sheer EXPECTATION that Musk will now use his considerable influence and political position to favor his corporate conglomerates!!

https://fortune.com/2024/11/11/elon-musk-donald-trump-election-tesla-auto-industry-carmakers-market-value/

MUSK IS A GEOPOLITICAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST:

Other geopolitical commentators had also mentioned that Musk is by sheer virtue of his Chinese and Russian connections, an astronomical military risk.

https://apnews.com/article/spacex-ukraine-starlink-russia-air-force-fde93d9a69d7dbd1326022ecfdbc53c2

Our boi had on various occasions cut off internet access for Ukraine forces, as they had utilized Starlink in the underdeveloped internet-infrastructure of Hohol-land, which had further degraded during the war, through constant missile barrages on Ukrainian civilian areas. Starlink internet was invaluable to guide GPS areal and naval missiles, as well as connect commercial drones to drop grenades unto enemy trenches

====(from AP article)

SpaceX founder Elon Musk's refusal to allow Ukraine to use Starlink internet services to launch a surprise attack on Russian forces in Crimea last September has raised questions as to whether the U.S. military needs to be more explicit in future contracts that services or products it purchases could be used in war, Air Force Secretary Frank Kendall said Monday.

Excerpts of a new biography of Musk published by The Washington Post last week revealed that the Ukrainians in September 2022 had asked for the Starlink support to attack Russian naval vessels based at the Crimean port of Sevastopol. Musk had refused due to concerns that Russia would launch a nuclear attack in response.

However, in the months since, the U.S. military has funded and officially contracted with Starlink for continued support. The Pentagon has not disclosed the terms or cost of that contract, citing operational security.

But the Pentagon is reliant on SpaceX for far more than the Ukraine response, and the uncertainty that Musk or any other commercial vendor could refuse to provide services in a future conflict has led space systems military planners to reconsider what needs to be explicitly laid out in future agreements

=====(end AP quote)

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/world/europe/elon-musk-starlink-ukraine.html

Even if Musk's pro-Putler tendencies weren't such a dangerous hot-point in the Ukraine-Russia conflict, the sheer fact that a USA-based private-enterprise would balk in the support of USA allies, out of fear of commercial retaliation of USA enemies, laid a lot of concern for Burgerland military leaders.

Then there is China, which in my opinion, and many geopolitical analysts, is a substantially LARGER threat, in terms of making Musk a cabinet weakness!!

Musk has substantial parts of his collective wealth tied to Chinese Factories:

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3287323/elon-musks-china-ties-profound-threat-us-national-security-senator

====(FROM scmp)

Elon Musk's involvement in the incoming Donald Trump administration is drawing scrutiny over possible conflicts of interests, with a senator warning that the Tesla and SpaceX CEO's business ties with China could jeopardise US national security.

Tesla manufactures half of its vehicles in China, which also accounts for one-third of its sales, while the US Defence Department and other government agencies are increasingly reliant on SpaceX.

Musk's close business ties with China and some of its most senior officials, including Premier Li Qiang, have prompted reports that he could be considered by Beijing as a backchannel to Trump, especially in the early days of the transition period.

"It's a very, very difficult position for Mr Musk to be in," said Fish, adding that Beijing "loves to use corporate leverage" over US companies and individuals to advance its national security interests.

"Frankly, I don't know how Mr Musk can balance the interests he has with the US government, with Tesla and with SpaceX at the same time. It's very, very challenging," he said.

====(end scmp article)

Meaning China could literally threaten Musk with actual bankruptcy (for Tesla), if they try to put the squeeze on him to get him to do something for them, or to threaten Musk directly, if they want to hurt USA directly - like saying if USA provides some stuff for Taiwan, like Starlink antennas - they would just go straight to turbo cuck Musk!

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2024/10/why-does-elon-musk-still-have-a-security-clearance/680434/

Anyways that's all i have to talk about. Chances are that cutting the bloated yank Budget is entirely feasible - but I personally believe Musk is at all the appropriate candidate for such an astronomically difficult undertaking, despite the vast popularity he enjoys from Libertarians, rightoids and Magatards

Must is such an extremely bad fit for his position, that I think many americans have genuinely missed his obvious and extreme conflicts of interest, and how the cultural-wars and identity politics of Kamala and shitlibs have obfuscated such possible future Gupta tiers of corruption!!!

Like i hate commies as well, and i enjoy Musk dunking on filthy shitlibs, but that sure as shit doesn't garantee he'll be a force for good for Burgerland

!effortposters !africans

My father and other lunatics near his farm has had the bright idea to start a hobby farming into cattle

For the past 4 months they've been building a dipping kraal, or a medicine application bead/holding, which is just basically a pre-built fence or passage where cattle/cows/goats/bucks or any other form of domesticated bovines are herded through, preferably one-by-one to apply veterinary care,

like spraying their fur with anti-lice or anti-parasite poison, or injecting them with vaccinations or whatever the particular situation requires.

This dipping passage system, can be technologically sophisticated

or locally rurally primitive - as has been done 100 years ago

https://www.farmersweekly.co.za/farming-basics/how-to-livestock/a-career-in-veterinary-nursing/

Large commercial farmers can even have hardcore systems to separate cattle into groups while applying medication, prior to selling for auctions or butcheries

THere's even companies which build custom, but pre-fabricated pens and dipping-passages which have proven to be very effective for commercial farmers

https://www.facebook.com/taltec.co.za/posts/tal-tec-se-sirkel-drukkraal-uitleg-is-n-kraal-om-jou-beeswerk-maklik-en-vinnig-t/4105574749474093/

all looks very complicated, but what it boils down to is to aid in the driving on of domesticated animals, without hurting cattle or ranchers themselves, while also leaving easy access to the animals for medication care. There is no definitive surefire method or structure, they are as variable as there are farmers and stock.

Some act as multi-purpose structures, where once vaccinated, cattle are thenafter driven onto ramps, up to transportation trucks

which again can vary dramatically, from humble specialized trailers, capable of being pulled by any pick-up truck with sufficient power, to gargantuan commercial grade trucks capable of transporting a 100 bastards at once

Anyways, the nutjobs near my father's farm had started to construct a homemade dipping kraal/passage, by using manual labour and a generator bolted onto an shopping trolley's wheels! (this was from a month ago)

The dipping enclosure were to have wooden beams with giant rubber strip lengths surrounding the enclosure, to protect the cattle from harming themselves when they bump into the wooden beams, a the soft rubber softens the blow like the softened corners of a wrestling ring.

These giant rubber strips were pulled tight around the wooden beams with a specialized fence-wire pulling tool, which utilized leverage onto chains with a clamped with each segment

This "Draadtrekker" or "Wire-Puller" has this teethed mechanism, to consecutively "climb" onto a chain, to pull a wire clamped onto it's tail end, and uses leverage to strengthen the pull onto each consecutive chain link. It's operation is very hard to describe into words. But it basically "climbs" onto the chain, with the teeth hooks.

It's soft of like like a ratchet wrench type device but not really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratchet_(device)

The idea is to pull a wire or other material as taut as possible, to strengthen the wire's structure, usually for farm fences.

Saturday and Yesterday, my father had discovered that the 6 beeste had severe eye infections, to the degree that they were borderline blind. Their eyes were swollen and inflamed, and the cause uncertain - as they are supposed to be the type of local Safrican breed hardened against this climate and its parasites and illnesses. Regardless the cattle were really rough looking

TTheir eyes so swollen that they could barely see more than a few meters ahead of themselves.

One cow which was so angsty and evasive, literally ran away from my father in panic as it could not recognize my father - mistaking him from some other predator or whatever, despite usually running at speed whenever my father appears in the veld towards him, because my parents regularly feed them lettuce and carrots to make them used to humanity

This brought alarms to everyone, and soon he had called me from across the farm with dogshit 3rd world cellphone signal - i only noticed a "missed-call" in my SMS, and realized my father's intention. I had to run in 33 degree heat and gather the two Lesotho laborers currently building the unfinished kraal, because the 6th cow was being so evasive, that it would require a multi-man concerted effort, to corral this beest into the dipping passage, in order to closely inspect wtf was wrong with it.

after lots of sweating we managed to not just gather the blind-beest, but also the other 5 beeste, into the unfinished, but luckily fully enclosed kraal, i had to run like hooligan and ram pipes into the exit of the dipping passage , to block off the exit, and ensure the 6 cattle corralled into the dipping passage, would not just exit like water from a funnel so tired.

Then once they were within the kraal, structure we could clearly see at point blank, just how fricked up their eyes were. All 6 had problems, 3 of them had tears running down the sides of their faces endlesslly - it appeared that they had great aggravated suffering.

To compound this horror and bad luck, my father had enlisted the services of a farm animal vet, but he had decline to doctor them for eye and other parasite related shit, because he had stated that it was useless to apply medicine before symptoms showed well now 2 weeks later we were all staring at blind 6 cattle with dark black tear streaks in obvious suffering.

We were all tired from the corralling efforts in a humid crushing 33 degree heat (which is nothing i know compared to the 40 degree heat in actually hot places in the country), so we decided to start lunch while my father made a decision.

We made boiled eggs and noodles, and my mother shared the same for the 2 Lesotho men (many SA employers can be ruthless and let men work without break in the sun, nor ever give them food)

After lunch my father had decided, we cannot wait even a week for a vet to come again, and that likely if these cattle were not treated, they could form permanent cataract-like debilitating ailments, or just become blind. He still had eye-treating medicine stored in his shed. And OH BOY did i not yet realize what we were in for!!

The next stage was to corral the 6 cattle from the outer kraal, into the dipping funnel passage, and to our woes, the structure was not yet finished, additionally the 6 cattle were spooky and uncooperative and we found it impossible to fricking separate them, thus we were only capable of herding all 6 into the funnel passage at once, so that they were squashed tightly.

This was not done for the sake of animal abuse, but because it was decided if we did not treat these animals here and now, blindness would follow - and we were without all the cowtools we needed, the passage was unfinished and we had not fricking vet with us.

Ironically, the fact that the cattle had squashed themselves so tightly, meant that they could not bump their heads in erratic spontaneous movements and hurt themselves.

We were supposed to have a headclamp ordered, but it was still a city away and had not yet been delivered, but this was an emergency, and again we could not fricking wait

Thus we had to also make to with the only pitiful rope we had - which the Lesotho men tied around the nearest wooden beam, and then the horns/mouth of the specific cattle we wanted to treat, in order to keep their heads still and unmoving - and once again this was not done for the sake of animal cruelty

Cattle/cows are unbelievably strong. You often see videos of city-slickers and people who've never encountered wild animals or even domesticated farm animals before and tourists dangerously approach large animals into their comfort-zone, only to get mauled/hooved and their body battered.

Cattle have necks with the thickness and strength of ten men's arms - i've seen before how careless ranchers or farmhands have their hands crushed and their bones splintered from just one spontaneous movement of a cow's head, pinning a man's hand next to a wooden bean, or alternatively bending backwards every fricking digit of a man's fingers because the usually docile and pleasant cow gets spooked and have no idea of their own strength compared to a human's, and unintentionally can cause tremendous bodily harm to its owners. Just one random jerk of an unaggressive cow's head can gore the arm of a reckless man.

The 6 cattle were stuffed and jampacked into the funnel dipping passage, and thus we placed two pipes at the entrace to the passage to block them in! i had to literally push the last cow in with all the force of my strength along with the two Lesotho men, while a 3rd pushed in pipes between the wooden beams to lock them inside!!!

From here on out we had to apply two types of medicine (which i cant spell or pronounce): One was a bottle of teardrop type medicine which was applied by lifting up the lids of the target cattle, and squeezing it onto the area of irritation/inflammation. The 2nd was an injection via needle which, as per the instruction of the vet, had to be injected into the eyelids of the cow!!!! But a cow's eyelids are very thick and filled with blood-vessels, and much larger when compared to a human's

As you guys can imagine, no animal likes to have their fricking eyeballs messed with and manipulated, especially after they are hurting and highly irritated by whatever infected it, like a human's red-eye.

This was why we had been forced to stabilize the cattle's head, by tying it up, lest it hurt itself or us, in it's panic or pain.

Of course i personally was too much of a b-word butt wimp to personally handle the medicine and eyeball needle shit, so i balked at that part but my father is giga hardcore and wen to great lengths to be gentle and shit.

finally after like 40 minutes, the poor cattle could dazedly and with stiff legs get the frick out of the cramped dipping funnel

we pulled out the pipes blocking the funnel exit, and they skedaddled out of there

what a nightmare

slice of life shit

Some mielie/maize bread baked by mother next to braai (open fire)

giant unused ordinance - from WW1, WW2 and 1899 boer war.

sister feeding cattle lettuce and carrots

Khoisan maize/corn/wheat giant mortal and pestle stones - smooth stones used to grind any edible grain or mielies into food capable of being baked into starch or other food like pap

im not nearly as cool as that other dramatard which built his whole fricking porch, but hopefully some of you found this at least somewhat mildly amusing

!africans

Greetings. I hope you are well. I've been doing a lot of research on fascism lately and I've been left utterly terrified. I can see the power the political ideology has thanks to its reliance on a palingenetic rebirth myth that is very effective at uniting people and bringing them under a charismatic strong man. This shouldn't be surprising, as human beings think in terms of stories, so if you're able to tell a good story and piece together archetypes in aesthetically pleasing ways, you can make billions or rule a nation.

The problem with fascism is that it brings with it war, violence, and the death of human rights. If fascism were to take root again in the West, it could lead to another World War and this would affect everyone. I don't want mass death, nor do I want to be conscripted into the military. I'm scared of what will happen to BIPOCs, LGBT folks, and immigrants in such a scenario. The third world isn't safe either, there are dictatorships in Africa with strong militaries and these nations are teetering close to fascism, including countries like Eritrea. The Second Congo War is just a taste of how deadly things can get, as this war led to over 5.4 million deaths within 4 years, the deadliest war since WW2.

South Africa isn't exempt from the threat of fascism and there have been very active fascist parties in the country. This makes me so, so scared because I don't want civil war. Our government has enough problems to deal with. Consequently, I believe that this is the most important longpost I have ever written. Within it, I'd like to outline what fascism is and how it took root in South Africa and almost collapsed democracy before it started.

This is the first part of a two-part series. In this post we'll look into the background of the Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging and in the next post we'll delve into the life and death of Eugene Terre'Blanche.

Before we begin, I'd like you to complete this poll.

Do you believe your country is currently at risk of fascism?

What is Fascism?

I have outlined a brief definition of fascism in a previous post, but I'd like to redefine it here in a little more detail. The first instance of fascism can be found in 20th-century Italy under the regime of Benito Mussolini. Benito was inspired by the works of Nietzsche and Georges Sorel. The movement arose while Itality was going through political and economic hardships. Mussolini, after returning from war, believed Italy needed a dictator to lead the nation to greatness. To do this, he would need a myth to unify the people.

He coined the term Fascist which he derived from the Latin term "Fasces" which refers to a bundle of wood. Individually, each piece of wood can be broken with ease. However, when they are bundled together, they become unbreakable.

Pictured above is the Italian fascist symbol used by Italian fascist uniforms. Mussolini rose to power in Italy thanks to his energetic speeches and his ability to tune into the anxieties of the masses and exploit them. For the sake of time, I won't go deep into the history of Mussolini's rise to power, but it is important to know that by 1925, he was the country's dictator and he enjoyed widespread support.

Fascism was exported to Italy's colonies, including Eritrea, which may explain the far-right, dictatorial bend the country has to this day (it is often termed the North Korea of Africa). It also spread through Europe, eventually reaching Germany where Adolf Hitler would establish a dictatorship of his own. When fascism is mentioned, Nazi Germany is usually what comes to mind first. This shouldn't be a shock, as the Third Reich is easily the most powerful fascistic State the world has ever seen. If we are lucky, fascists will NEVER acquire that much power ever again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_again

Hitler was directly inspired by Mussolini, though he also drew from philosophers like Nietzsche and scientists like Charles Darwin to advocate for social Darwinism and eugenics. Hitler was also strongly anti-semitic, a position which Mussolini would also adopt in Italy. With this said, hatred of Jewish people isn't the defining characteristic of fascism. In fact, as Israel is proving, it is possible to have a fascistic State that isn't anti-semitic at all. This raises an important question - what makes a fascist?

How to Identify Fascism

Defining fascism is no easy task, and it is among the hardest political ideologies to adequately categorize. We know it is right-wing, authoritarian, and ultra-nationalistic, but other political movements have these traits as well. Saudi Arabia would be a good example of a country that is right-wing, authoritarian, and ultra-nationalistic but not quite fascist. After doing some research, I've identified the following as the key traits of fascism. If you think I've left anything out or gotten anything wrong, I'd like to hear it. It is important to note that while a nation can exhibit some of these traits and not be a fascist nation, but when they occur altogether, the word fascism starts becoming more appropriate to use.

1. Support of political violence

Unlike liberal movements that were gaining popularity in the 20th century, fascists do not believe that violence is inherently bad and it is viewed as a healthy part of political life. This viewpoint is in part inspired by ideas of social Darwinism which championed the concept of the "survival of the fittest". Hence, it was only right that the strong should subjugate the weak. Violence is also the means by which social hierarchies are reified. I'll touch on it more in the next point, but violence is also an integral part of fascist masculinity. Violence is used to eliminate opposition, undermine democracy, force people into compliance, and expand the borders of the nation.

2. Support of strict gender roles and social hierarchies

As I've stated, fascists believe in social hierarchies, and that some people are more deserving of life and power than others. In Nazi Germany, this viewpoint led to the mass involuntary euthanasia of huge swaths of the population that were disabled either mentally or physically. The most appalling example of this can be found with Germany's Aktion T4 program that claimed up to 300,000 lives.

There are also strict gender hierarchies in fascist nations. Fascism generally takes on a patriarchal shape with a "strong man" leading the nation. Women are expected to remain subservient and to serve a reproductive and domestic role in society. In contrast, men are expected to take to the frontlines of the army and participate in violence and war for the sake of the greatness of the nation. For this reason, you'd be hard-pressed to name a female fascist leader.

3. Belief in a palingenetic rebirth myth

This is perhaps the most important aspect of fascism. The fascist leader will convince the people that they were once a great nation but they have been subverted by outside forces i.e. Jews, communists, immigrants, liberals, etc. The populist fascist leader claims that they are the only ones who can restore the greatness of the nation and rescue the people from economic and political hardships, as well as from the threat of decadence and degeneracy. The palingenetic rebirth myth is reliant on a scapegoat to blame for the nation's decline and to give the people a common enemy to unite against.

4. Opposition to any initiatives or institutions that are racially, ethnically, or religiously diverse

The fascist leader will often create an "us" vs "them" schism. Those in the in-group are the true inhabitants of the nation while those in the out-group are invaders that dilute the blood of the land. One of the slogans used by Nazi Germany is "blood and soil" which illustrates how the regime tied race and nationality together.

Don't be fooled, however - a fascist nation does not need to be racist. The founder of fascism, Mussolini, stated the following:

Race? It is a feeling, not a reality. Ninety-five percent, at least. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today.

However, he did also create an "us" vs "them" schism by scapegoating communists and Jewish people.

So there you have it - four pillars of fascism. If all four are present in a political system, you may be dealing with a fascist nation. I'd like to discuss a fifth possible pillar - isolationism. It appears that a lot of fascist nations aim for an autarkic economy and espouse ideas of isolationism and strong borders. The reason why I do not add this as a pillar of fascism is because scholars generally agree that there is no economic system that is essential to fascism. A sixth possible pillar concerns the use of lies and irrationality. This is seen with both Mussolini and Hitler but I hesitate to add it as an essential element of fascism because quite frankly all politicians lie - it's just a matter of degrees.

The nature of fascism is that it strives to gain power. Consequently, it manifests in varied ways depending on the context. This can make it hard to determine when a nation is fascistic. This has become increasingly true in the modern world where wannabee dictators are aware of the stink of fascism and therefore cloak their ideology using more palatable terms such as "nationalism" and preach about the restoration of "law and order". This isn't always the case, especially with the group we're going to look at today - the Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging, also known as the AWB.

Apartheid in South Africa

I'm sure the topic needs no introduction, but I'll quickly define apartheid. It was a system implemented in South Africa from 1948 to 1991, and it was led by the National Party, which was an Afrikaner ethnic nationalist party.

Pictured above is the National Party flag and the apartheid South African flag. In short, apartheid is a system predicated on institutionalized racial segregation, and it favoured the White minority. Segregation was achieved through forced removals and the creation of townships for Blacks, which had the secondary effect of creating a cheap source of labour. The government also used pass laws that required black South African citizens to carry passes when travelling outside their homelands. This was enforced by Acts such as the Natives (Urban Areas) Act of 1923 and the Black (Natives) Laws Amendment Act of 1952 that deemed urban areas "white". If 'non-whites' were found travelling in urban areas without passes, they faced the possibility of arrest. As you can imagine, interracial marriage was also banned.

The "heyday" of apartheid occurred during the 1960s and 1970s, but the National Party soon began facing strong resistance from the ANC and condemnation from the international community. Consequently, in the 1980s, some of the petty laws of apartheid were repealed, including the law banning interracial s*x and marriage (the Race Relations Act) and the mixing of the races (Group Areas Act). The government also provided limited political rights to Indians and Coloureds, though it wouldn't be until 1994 that South Africa would have its first democratic elections which were won by the ANC, allowing Nelson Mandela to rule the nation.

So, was apartheid South Africa fascist? No. Importantly, the movement lacks a palingenetic rebirth myth. Nevertheless, there were fascist movements bubbling in the country, with the most popular easily being the AWB.

The Birth of the AWB

As apartheid laws were slowly repealed, some liberal White South Africans saw this as progress. However, there were huge swaths of the White population that did not agree with the increasing liberal influences on the country's politics.

One individual who opposed the direction the country was going in was Eugene Terre'Blanche. We won't go too deep into his history (there will be a separate post dedicated to him), but all you need to know for now is that Eugene was born in 1941 and he expressed Christian Afrikaaner nationalist sentiments from a very young age. In 1973, he called a meeting with several men where he complained of the increasing liberal influence in the country under the leadership of Prime Minister B. J. Vorster. He also feared the increasing influence of communism, and as a response, he formed the AWB, with him as the leader.

The AWB is an extremist far-right party that strives to create an independent Afrikaaner state (Boerestaat) separate from the rest of the country. Is the AWB fascistic? Yes! The group is openly fascist, and is strongly influenced by Nazi Germany. Consequently, the group is anti-semitic, and it uses a flag featuring a "triskelion" which is a three-armed swastika.

It also exhibits all four of my pillars of fascism:

1. Support of political violence

The group has used significant violence since its conception, and it remains committed to using violence to bring about the Boerstaat. It is responsible for many terroristic attacks during apartheid, especially in the 80s and 90s. Notable episodes of violence include:

• The Battle of Ventersdorp in 1991 which saw the AWB go head to head with the South African Police Force, and resulted in three deaths

• The Storming of the Kempton Park World Trade Centre in 1993 which involved 3000 members of the group storming the World Trade Center in Kempton Park

• 1994 bombings which resulted in the death of 20 people

The violence did not stop after apartheid ended. In 1996, the group planted a bomb in a grocery store, killing four civilians. Eugene Terre'Blanche also served time in prison for beating a petrol station attendant until he had brain damage (more on that in the next post).

The AWB is violent and aggressive. You can see it in this Louis Theroux clip featuring the documentarian speaking with Eugene who gets annoyed with Louis and squeezes his hand.

2. Support of strict gender roles and social hierarchies

The AWB uses Christianity to justify its gender roles and social hierarchy. They are insistent that the Bible says that Blacks and Whites must live separately, and they wish to bring about a patriarchal, pastoral Boer society.

3. Belief in a palingenetic rebirth myth

This runs strong in the ideology of the AWB. Their fall from grace comes with the Second Boer War which brought about the end of the Boer republics of South Africa. The party promises to restore these republics and bring about the great Boer empire once more.

4. Opposition to any initiatives or institutions that are racially, ethnically, or religiously diverse

It goes without saying that the AWB strikes for a homogenous society. They do not want Blacks, Jews, or communists in their Boer republics. They scapegoat the ANC, immigrants, and Black people as their enemies.

Unfortunately, the AWB had a huge following and at its peak, it boasted a membership of close to half a million. It also caught the attention of the international world, including Nazi sympathisers. Consequently, the group is quite prominent in right-wing literature, especially alternate history fiction novels such as Gun of the South. I've read the book and I quite like it. This is my favorite quotes from the text:

The AWB in Modern Day

Since South Africa became a democratic republic, the AWB has only shrunk in size, but its supporters remain passionate. One of the topics they rally around is the issue of farm killings, which they frame as a white genocide. They will often protest by shutting down highways and waving Old South African flags as well as the Nazi triskelion flag.

The group is still concerned with creating a Boerstaat, and they have their eyes on the Transvaal and the Free State but they haven't had much success claiming land. In one video worth watching, a member of the AWB tries arguing his case on television, and he threatens the Black female, leading to an altercation between him and the male host who warns him not to touch him on his studio.

Perhaps the biggest blow the group has experienced occurred in 2010 when he was killed by two of his own Black farm workers! He was beaten to death with pangas (machetes) and pipes. The murderers claimed that Eugene was buckbreaking them, though no evidence of sodomy was found.

Today, the group has about 5000 members and it is a shell of its former self with no political teeth at all. So is there any reason to fear the AWB?

Does the AWB still pose a threat?

YES! The AWB is actively recruiting the youth and trying to grow its numbers. It is doing this through the use of social media to spread its message. Several scholars are warning about the rise of fascism in South Africa and it's terrifying me! I'm so scared of fascism, I feel I have to do everything in my power to stop it. Unfortunately, all I can do is longpost. If they win, the races will be separated, then I'll NEVER have a white gf.

https://www.cfr.org/blog/transnational-white-supremacist-militancy-thriving-south-africa

The Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging (Afrikaner Resistance Movement), founded in 1973 by noted white supremacist Eugène Terre'Blanche, also remains active today. The group apparently boasts around 5,000 members, and in 2010, members of the group were arrested for plans to attack Black townships in the wake of the murder of Terre'Blanche—which some claimed was racially motivated. The plotters, based in Pretoria, had also threatened foreigners and players traveling to the country for the 2010 World Cup. And in 2002, a far-right group calling itself the "Warriors of the Boer Nation" claimed responsibility for a series of blasts targeting the township of Soweto, in which one woman was killed.

https://www.ru.ac.za/perspective/2012archives/theleftsfailuretoresolveglobalcrisisgivesfascismroom.html

Last week at the 24th Socialist International (SI) congress in Cape Town, a similar warning about the threat of fascism was issued. However, this referred to a global danger. And this week, as the local mining industry faced turmoil, National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) spokesman Lesiba Seshoka also raised the spectre of fascism.

Conclusion

I hope you join me in my next post when I discuss the life and death of Eugene Terre'Blance. It is a long, sometimes funny, but always frightening story. Look, I'm just searching for a way to stop the chuds from winning. I will NOT live in a segregated nation, I will NOT have my vote taken away from me (even if I don't vote), and I will NOT live in a fascist country. Videos like this absolutely frighten me:

I don't know how Americans sleep at night when they have a proto-fascist about to take the wheel. FASCISM BAD!

!africans !nonchuds !effortposters !mayomoment

It's a sad morning. I can't think of anything but the numerous rejections I've faced throughout my life. Women don't find me attractive, they've told me this in uncertain terms, and I don't know why it's taken me almost 30 years to finally get the message. In this post I'll share all the rejection I remember.

2006

My first rejection was a relatively mild one. It occurred when I was in 5th grade and I thought this girl in my class was cute. She was a Black girl and she had dated a friend of mine. I bought her chocolate and she rejected it completely and would not take it from me. After that it was awkward for the rest of year because we were in the same class and she knew I had a crush on her.

2007

In the 6th grade I had a crush on another Black girl in my class. I sat next to her, and she was a somewhat bigger girl. During camp, I admitted to my friends that I had feelings for her and they told her. She made it clear that the feelings weren't reciprocal. More awkwardness ensued as I had to sit next to her for the rest of the year.

2008

In the 7th grade the girls in my class made a "Hot or Not" list. Predictably, I was on the "Not" side. The list was passed around in class so my shame could be publicized. Right here, at age 13, when an entire room of girls could unanimously agree that I'm ugly, this should have been the moment when I accept that no women would ever find me attractive. Unfortunately, I had far too much hope.

2010

In the ninth grade, I dealt with my first major rejection. I had a crush on a girl in my class. She was Indian, and she was a good friend of mine. We'd hang around together a lot and she was nice to me. I wanted to do something nice for her when I asked her out so I learned HTML and I made a website dedicated to her. I brought my PSP to school and I showed her the website which ended with me asking her out. She rejected me and it was so painful it plunged me into depression. I had never felt heartbreak like that ever.

This wouldn't be the only rejection I suffered in 2010. I was part of a cohort that had an academic scholarship, and we were taken on a camp together with students from other schools who were part of the same scholarship. At night, the girls came to our dorm and fetched some of us because they wanted to play spin the bottle. What ensued is an evening of crippling shame. Every time the bottle landed on me, the girls would look upon me with abject disgust when they realised they had to kiss me. It became a running joke that I was the ugly, unwanted creature there giving women the ick. It was made abundantly clear to me that in no way did any of the women present find me remotely attractive and in fact they were positively repulsed by me. I will never forget this night. Brutal humiliation in front of my peers.

2011

I finally got a gf! She was a short, Black girl that seemed affectionately enough. However, she was cheating on me, she ignored me, and she constantly asked me for money. I knew she was cheating on me but I turned a blind eye because I finally had a gf, but it hurt me immensely and I couldn't take it anymore. I broke up with her in 2013.

2013

There was a girl, Black, who approached me and wanted me to help her with Physics since I was good at it and she wasn't. She started coming to my Physics afterschool tutorials with me, and because she was a poorcel, I paid for her lessons. I eventually developed feelings for her and I wrote her a love letter. She turned me down. It was emotionally brutal.

2014

In university, the girls in the cafeteria would make fun of me and call me a 14-year-old because I was short. I eventually stopped going and just ate food in my room in my third year until I moved out into my own place. Even the warden of my residence called me the "short one".

2016

This is the year I tried online dating. Got no matches on any of the apps. I chatted to one girl on Fetlife but when she saw my picture she started bullying me. This was also the year I gave up and started identifying as an asexual. I wove my past into a story of "compulsory heterosexuality" forged from ideas by feminist scholars such as Adrianne Rich. "I never wanted to date girls, I had simply been socialized that way!" The cope helped to alleviate the pain but as you all know, the delusion didn't last forever and I eventually gave up the asexual label and accepted that I was an incel, but that would take years.

One good thing came out of this, which is that I joined AVEN (Asexuality Visibility and Education Network) and met Sarah who would become a close friend of mine.

2023

After years of identifying as asexual, I got back into the game. I had a collossal crush on Sarah, and I couldn't hold it in anymore. I told her about it and I got brutally rejected. I wrote about it in this post.

https://rdrama.net/post/224434/i-told-my-friend-i-have

This rejection affected me immensely, and I fell into dangerous self-harm. I even ended up spending time in the psych ward in part because of the heartbreak. I couldn't handle it.

Conclusion

These are just some of the more notable rejections I have suffered. I've felt hate from teachers, police, and random looks of disgust in public. I've had babies in public comment on how dark I am, and people are shocked I'm old enough to drive. I'm stuck in forever childhood. I am a beast, a cretin, I am Frankenstein's monster. I was born at the bottom of the totem pole in terms of race, and I have been cursed to look up at everybody for my whole life. Do you know how brutal it is to have everybody looking down on you? My life as a five foot one blackcel has been a string of bad memories and rejections, and the truth is that it's fricking awful. Moving through society is hard as a five foot one black male. The strength it takes to go outside... sometimes I don't have it.

When normies are rejected, it's usually for something that they can improve upon. "I don't like shy guys", "we're not into the same things", "I like buff guys". When incels are rejected, they are usually experiencing genuine forms of prejudice and discrimination. We are shunned because of things we cannot change - we're short, or ugly, or dark-skinned, or the wrong race.

If you failed because of those factors in any other endeavor in life, and you expressed pain and trauma, you would be completely heard and sympathized with. e.g. if you lose a job because you're too shy, well that's a geniune reason to not hire someone. If you lose a job because you're ugly, EVERYONE would understand why you're hurt and traumatized by that. Yet, for some reason, people pretend to be oblivious to the source of our pain when we explain that we're being rejected and discriminated against because of ugliness, height, and other factors we cannot change.

If you were black and you couldn't get a job no matter how much you studied, the horror of your life would be obvious to all. If you're short, and you can't get a gf no matter what you achieve in your life, there is seemingly no reason for you to be upset, according to normies.

This is the reason why I will NEVER act on my feelings for women EVER AGAIN. If you've ever been redpilled you must have heard some variation of this advice: "Rejection is nothing bro! I challenge you to get rejected by 100 girls! The more rejection you experience the easier it gets!" It's not true. Rejections beat you down more. They crush what little self-esteem you have left. Nothing good comes from rejection. It is good to avoid rejection, it is an act of self preservation.

I'd like ONE (1) single biological woman here admit that they would date a 5'1 male. Be HONEST. It's OVER and we all know it. If you're about to turn 30 and you've experienced nothing but rejection your whole life, it is highly unlikely that fate will suddenly change on my 30th birthday and I'll suddenly become a Chad. The biggest predictor of the future is past patterns, and women have made it clear that they don't want me. I accept that, I hope to accept it as maturely as possible. I don't hate women, I don't think they're bad, and I don't blame them for not being attracted to me. However, I can't deny that it hurts like heck.

As you should be able to see, I started my post with a variant of the "Did Vaush just BTFO" copypasta (!soyteens you should recognize this), which was changed to be about Byron Hall, the creator of the infamous rpg FATAL, responding to a very critical review of his game. Byron's response did not disprove every claim in the review, but for the purposes of bait, I pretended that it did. Here is the copypasta I created:

Did Byron Hall just BTFO all of rpg.net's moralstrag arguments?

>https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/FATALReviewRebuttal

>Points out that Darren refuses to offer counter evidence against FATAL being difficult and complex; indeed, Darren also admits the game is difficult and complex as part of his "criticism"

>Points out that boss monsters such as Cerberus are still possible in FATAL

>Explains the origin of "where the dice never lie"

>Explains that Darren is overgeneralizing all of FATAL's possible gameplay when he calls FATAL the "date r*pe rpg"

>Points out that Jason's responses are more juvenile than the language used in FATAL

>Explains that FATAL has potential for much more varied gameplay than Vampire, and has more realistic combat too

>Explains that concepts like ether and physiognomy do not have to be accepted by the author of a role-playing game to write about them, just as a designer of a game with magic does not have to believe in real-world magic

>Explains that a woman can be nearly any class in the game, rather than only a prostitute as the reviewers claim

>Explains that FATAL's averaging rolling method emulates the normal distribution of real-world stats more accurately than games which use a single flat roll

>Explains that the standard deviation of intelligence scores is different between men and women, but changing the standard deviation does not require changing the mean

Where is YOUR evidence to back up your ridiculus claims about FATAL being the worst RPG? By all means, read the entire rebuttal, i promise you that you can't debunk it.

>inb4 I get told to shut the frick up by someone who hasn't read the review and is triggered

>inb4 someone posts the anal circumference chart without context as an "argument" and without an analysis of WHY Hall included it in his game

>inb4 someone uses anecdotal evidence

>inb4 someone says 5E is better

>inb4 someone defends Sartin & Mclellan's safe edgy humor

>inb4 someone links to 1d4chan

As you can see, this copypasta should be immediately recognizable as bait since it omits important information that was stated during the review, is a modified form of an already existing copypasta, indirectly defends one of the worst RPGs without directly praising any mechanics less generic than dice rolling, arguably lies about every claim being disproven, has intentional errors and, most importantly for both this copypasta which I created, and the original "Did X just BTFO" copypasta, It lists valid arguments in the inb4 section to prevent people from using said valid arguments. The copypasta also has 2 intentional errors which only users who care a lot about detail would notice, which are that I said "just BTFO" to preserve the original copypasta's title even though the rebuttal was made decades ago, and that I said ">inb4 someone links to 1d4chan" even though 1d6chan exists and 1d4chan is down, since many 4chan olds dislike 1d6chan removing content that violated miraheze's TOS, however in hindsight it would likely have been a better idea to reference 1d6chan for additional possible replies.

To give /tg/ credit, one poster immediately accused me of being a "contrarianist troll", but this didn't kill the thread:

https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94402739/#q94403061

Nice baby's first contrarianist troll, but the game's only relevant worth is being a subject of mockery, plain and simple. And I can summarize why with one single sentence: When the simple act of making a character and playing the game is such an unbearably boring waste of time, then that alone is enough to condemn any game even before you get to the r-slurred and the shitty charts. Cause at least the autism in fricking GURPs serves some kind of purpose. FATAL is just unpleasant as a whole.

This reply would be expected when posting bait on 4chan, however the poster also included an anime reaction image, which may depict a character from 40k, but it is unofficial fanart outside of the style of the game. Another user called out this act of extreme oldery:

https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94402739/#94406623

Consider the following!

anime reddit meme reaction image

No point of substance, just bitching about not liking character creation

2 other users replied back, one of them saying that 40k is board culture, however the user who replied replies again, dropping an off-topic about anime reaction images:

https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94402739/#94407438

That's not 40k, it's some gay little anime fan image of 40k. Stop being disingenuous and misrepresenting your arguments to worm out of them.

Furthermore, you've yet to present any arguments that aren't complaining about your own personal preferences

This didn't seem to discourage other users from replying to me, Another user accuses me of being Virtualoptim, a namestrag best known for this image:

Another reply which I partially expected due to my inclusion of ">inb4 someone defends Sartin & Mclellan's safe edgy humor" was a response stating that Sartin & Mclellan's humor would have been considered extremely offensive, given that rpg.net underwent a similar transformation to somethingawful (in this case, rpgcodex is the obligatory SASS equivalent)

rpg.net btfo'd themselves. The cute twinks who did this review turned out to be total cute twinks themselves and if someone else were to post stuff like this in present day they'd have a meltdown over it and ban them forever.

I did try to interact with the thread to keep up the pretense of my bait, however this was unsuccessful. First, when another user (https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94402739/#q94403095) said that the game can't calculate swing force, I immediately remembered that one of the only non-horrible combat mechanics was fulcrum range, which actually does calculate swing force, and replied stating the page number on the online pdf of the rules I had used a search function to find fulcrum range in. Unfortunately, the user I responded to was using a different pdf of the rulebook, and did not find fulcrum range on that page. Secondly, I tried to reply to a user stating that everyone who has played FATAL has hated it by linking to a Kiwifarms letsplay of the game, which I found from this post: https://rdrama.net/h/traditionalgames/post/315746/fatal-and-kiwifarms-a-match-made, but I was banned from all of 4chan for 13 days since my post contained banned text (likely the kiwifarms link). This prevented me from correcting the error made by the user who could not find fulcrum range

The rest of the thread is relatively boring, but some users seem to be unironically defending FATAL as a response to users who responded to my bait, and one user, or potentially a collection of users, began rolling up a character just to prove how bad the character creation system is.

The thread theme, often described as sounding like "Cookie Monster chasing a drum set down a stairwell" is the greatest thing to come from the worst role-playing game ever.