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"Academic" leeches respond:

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EFFORTPOST The Decline of RoosterTeeth and RWBY β€” Meta Effortpost Part 2 :soycrychicken: :marseysalem:

In this thread we'll discuss the start of RoosterTeeth and RWBY's decline. I don't have a lot of space left so refer to the first thread for a proper introduction.


RoosterTeeth's Decline :marseychartdowntrend:


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"Viewers really like the chemistry of these 5 people playing Halo, let's hire another 300 people and... umm..."

-- @AverageBen10Enjoyer

Regarding the fundamental reason why RoosterTeeth failed, there are millions of small mistakes that all fed into the major problem of expenses exceeding profits. Even though RT grew more prominent by the year going into 2014, when WB announced the closure earlier this month they cited RT not being profitable for ten years as a major reason. RoosterTeeth grew too fast and ended up having to hope their endeavors would pay out down the line. Meanwhile the company's payroll grew from a handful of creators into scores of influencers, production crew, writers, animators, management, HR, accounting (at least I'm assuming they had accountants :marseybuxgenocide:)

RWBY is especially notable in this lesson on growing expenses because while it did become popular, production costs also grew from indie to part of the problem. RWBY Volume 1 was Monty's passion project, voiced by amateurs and made in the same software Monty used for his fanfic YouTube videos. As the show went on the animation was upgraded, professional voice actors were hired...

In contrast RWBY Volume 9 cost roughly 6.6 million dollars to produce. RT apparently needed Crunchyroll's help to fund it at all. (More on that later) As big as it was it's entirely possible RWBY stopped being profitable after a while or maybe was never even profitable. And if RWBY was like that, there's no chance RT's other post-RWBY concepts made them money over time.

And so RT grew too fast and potential turned into bloat. Along the way there were also plenty of rDrama appropriate scandals and the particular problem of RT losing its original fans and failing to replace them with zoomers.

Business Strategy

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They decided to turn themselves into a full on production company that dipped their toes into everything. Movies, games, dramatic series, podcasts, various comedic shows etc. Vast majority of them bombed.

-- @Squibbly

In 2014 going into 2016 RoosterTeeth seemed like a rising star, unparalleled success story for nerdom. :chadsoyjak: Their Halo machinima series had evolved into a popular DVD and merch selling fullblown production complete with cgi. Their web show RWBY built more and more hype with every new season and proved itself popular in Japan too, with RT even cutting a deal with a real company like Warner Bros Japan to distribute the dub. RTX was popular and other bigdick companies were using it for promotions like demos for then upcoming games Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag, Halo: The Master Chief Collection, and Rainbow Six Siege. It would soon spread internationally to Australia :cunt: and Britain :marseyromantorchwick: too. RT succesfully crownfunded the full length movie Lazer Team. The Funhaus division opened in Los Angeles to take the company beyond the Lone Star State. :marseybeach: RoosterTeeth's growth in just a few short years was inspiring, so inspiring that it led to an entirely new business philosophy -- one of growth at any cost :marseyaborted:

Burnie Burns: Now we're not competing with the PewDiePies and the Homestar Runners of the world. Now we're competing with Netflix and HBO and Amazon. And we're more than ready for that challenge.

Burnie Burns :marseychonker2: and Joel Heyman :marseymagahat: in particular were big on growing and making RoosterTeeth into an anything they could get away with company. To facilitate this RT was bought out by Fullscreen, LLC. This was an entertainment company offering services and consultation to social media influencers. Their other clients included NBCUniversal, Fox, Fremantle, JASH, Fine Brothers Entertainment, Mattel, and WIGS. ScrewAttack had also been aquired by them, and a few corporate mergers later so was Machinima Inc.

Also in 2014 Otter Media and the Chernin Group aquired a controlling stake so Fullscreen itself ultimately came under AT&T. Flashing forward to '19 and AT&T started shopping around to try and sell RoosterTeeth and other brands. In the end RT was still there for the corporate merger that formed Warner Bros Discovery. This is what allowed RT content to start crossing over with DC Comics.

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If it feels like RoosterTeeth became a bloated and generic social media company, that's because they were purchased by corporate people who were that way that also offered big bucks to the RT founders who wanted to be that way. With the Fullscreen merger many of the relevant people assured fans RT wouldn't change, but the following years speak for themselves. Upper leadership started to be appointed by the owners starting at least with Fullscreen President and former COO Ezra Cooperstein becoming President of Rooster Teeth in '18 and Jordan Levin becoming general manager after the major layoff in '19. Also that year many of the original founders stepped down into creative roles: Matt Hullum stepped down as CEO and became Chief Content Officer, Burnie Burns stepped down as chief creative officer to executive producer and Geoff Ramsey became executive creative director. Ironically the two business minded founders left around this time, Joel was more or less dismissed from the company that year and Burnie left in '20. :carpneckbeardgenocide:

It's not surprising that RoosterTeeth's mediocrity set in with the late '10s. Every generic policy you see out of media and social media slop servers these days, RT soon became guilty of. Milking franchises dry? :marseystarwars: The RWBY franchise expansion mentioned in this thread and the previous speak for themselves. Obsession with teen influencers and feel good diversity whatnot? :carpafroparty: In '21 RT announced the creation of the Rooster Teeth Digital Creators Program, which is intended to support "underrepresented" talent. Throwing money around to see what'll stick? :marseydisney: Lazer Team 2 and Gen:LOCK got made. Trying to sponsor as much content as possible for the sake of having content? :marseyamazon: In '18, Rooster Teeth piloted five shows named Branded, Gorq's Quest, Achievement Haunter, Million Dollars, But ... Animated, and Rooster Teeth's Murder Room, and also announced Spikeface, a new 2D/dark comedy show to be coproduced with Rob McElhenney and his RCG Productions. Unnecessary premium service? :marseygold: RT relied more and more on their First program to try and drive dollars and views to their website, for example making RWBY episodes premier up to a month earlier for First members while also removing the vast majority of RWBY and RvB content from YouTube. On the other end of this you also have schizophrenic attempts to strike money-making deals with other services, i.e. partnering more and more with Crunchyroll even at the expense of those same First members.

Heck, they even went with the all to common generic minimalism for the new logo. :marseyminimalism:

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In the end the corporate mergers are what made RT's dissolution possible since Warner Bros simply decided to close the company and see about selling off the relevant creative assets.

Controversies :soycry:

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RoosterTeeth didn't necessarily fail because of any single major incident, but the problems they did have contributed to their bleeding out over time. There's a recurring theme of old fans disappearing and new fans not sticking around. Plus it's fun to point and laugh :marseylaughpoundfist:

Disappearing Founders

Neurodivergent basement dwellers pretending to be the moral authority

both sides end up devoured by their own hubris

you love to see it :marseycheers:

-- @Christine

If 2015 was RT's golden year, it's fitting that '16 was the start of their decline. One of the earlier major controversies to really hit the company was the effective unpersoning of Joel Heyman, one of the company's original founders and the voice for RvB fan favorite character Caboose.

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Aside from being a major part of RoosterTeeth's first big show, Joel apparently did a lot of early business deals for the company back when it was really just a group trying to be a company. Unfortunately Joel was heckin rightoid in Austin, TX :marseypearlclutch2: so things broke down between him and the others as the Trump years went on.

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As the 10's went by RT's fanbase evolved from Halo dudebros into :soyjakdancing: types, partially because a few of the former changed into the latter and partially because RT went out of its way to court them. Trump derangement syndrome took hold hard with the rest of the team :marseymagarentfree: and this new community wasn't having it either. Even years later bringing up Joel's name in the main subreddit led to misremembered claims about disputes with and mistreatment of other employees.

Joel became quieter until finally departing the company in '19. RT stopped mentioning him in content and everyone in places like Reddit likes to pretend he was never involved. There was never even a larger controversy to cause this lmao he simply committed the crime of being a Republican :marseysoycrytremble: and was turned on by the same people otherwise quoting Caboose lines :marseythomas:

Borrowing a comment from BoomhauerInTheWind RT also lost other originals over time. Most weren't necessarily in trouble but their departures still contributed to the company's decline. Most longtime fans didn't appreciate their replacements as much, and while RoosterTeeth tried to get new fans over the years, we'll see how that turned out for them below :marseygiggle:

S*x Pests

how do you make a rooster teeth drama thread without mentioning adam kovic :marseycoomer2:

β€” @Tim_Allen

In October 2020, Achievement Hunter's Ryan Haywood and Funhaus co-founder Adam Kovic were both involved in scandals involving their leaked nudes. Adam Kovic was previously part of Machinima Inc's Inside Gaming before leaving in 2015 to form RT's Funhaus division in Los Angeles. Ryan Haywood did a lot of production and acting work for RT and was best known for being part of Achievement Hunter and entertainment-news division The Know.

I've heard different versions of exactly what happened with both of them, but my understanding is as follows. Both were catfished because they tried to engage in erotic roleplay :marseypuke: with fans.

Furthermore Ryan Haywood :marseysperm: was fricking fans at conventions and apparently one of them was 17. Also he was married. :marseyteehee: Also many of these girls thought they were the only one and didn't like that he had multiple sidepieces. Accusations of groomercord grooming started flying and many people got it in their mind that he was effectively a male feminist. Others maintain he was just a regular Z-list celebrity sexpest. In any case his reputation was shot.

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Meanwhile Adam Kovic was apparently just a :marseycoomer: He took nude selfies involving things like riding a dildo and deadlifting anal shots and the Funhaus office bathroom. As RT became increasingly HR-esque this was blown into a major scandal especially since it came out alongside Ryan's drama. Coworker Lawrence Sontag made statements about how Adam was gross and never washed his hands. :marseypearlclutch: All this mutated into claims that he'd done coomer stuff including literal cooming all over the office and that he'd harassed female coworkers like Elyse Willems. The RoosterTeeth subreddit even years later circulated a lot of these claims and he's often accused of being a male feminist much like Ryan.

RT amputated them to survive. Ryan obviously stopped working with the company and Adam's Funhaus content was removed. Alas this content was some of Funhaus' best in the eyes of longtime fans. Meanwhile a :marseytrain2: named Charlotte was hired and for better or worse became a new face for Funhaus. The Subreddit attracted trains and had frequent posts like "Charlotte made me realize I'm a train" to give an idea on the changing audience. Overall the scandal contributed heavily to RT's falling YouTube ratings.

Unless I'm forgetting someone Ryan and Adam represent RT's main s*x scandals, but the company has also had more minor incidents with partners and new hires and the like. One example of these indirect incidents is RT cutting ties with actor Vic Mignogna over sexual harassment accusations. (Famous for being Edward Elric in Fullmetal Alchemist. For RT he voiced :marseyqrowbranwen: in RWBY)

Diversity Hires

She played a huge role in Rooster Teeth's drawn-out implosion; she was unfunny, sucked at games (to the point that she constantly had to be reminded how to play), and had no charisma with the rest of the group, who sucked up to her in an attempt to gain Levar's favor. These factors caused the fanbase to bash her, and of course she played the race card and famously made Geoff cry on stream for being a filthy cumskin moid.

β€” @AllFunAndGames

I'm sure there's a million billion examples of random :marseytransattentionseeker: and :blacksoyjak: in RT but the famous and dramatic example would be Mica Burton and her successor. Mica is none other than the daughter of LeVar Burton β€” Geordi La Forge in Star Trek TNG :marseyredshirt: Mica joined RT in 2016 and was part of Achievement Hunter and The Know. She has nothing better to do than has been involved with other gaming content such as Overwatch League and multiple DnD events for Wizards of the Coast.

Mica ultimately wasn't popular and many fans complained about her. She would generally accuse them of racism in response. She picked beefs with the founders too and while I don't have a clip she at one point made Geoff Ramsey do the Brendan Fraser face meme by reminding him he's an overall mayo :blackwomanspeaking: Also she made her dad hate the company which is hilarious because they clearly kept her around to try and court his favor :marseypicard:

She was replaced by another sassy kween named Ky who was also loud (quite literally louder than average) and prone to racial grifting. She famously stated that RT's OG days weren't actually good because of a lack of diversity. This sent the few remaining chuds into a kerfuffle.

The War on Chuds

The "this isn't an airport, no need to announce your departure" tweet and then Loud is What We Do nonsense drove me away.

β€” @AverageBen10Enjoyer

Related to the above, Ky and Achievement Hunter were part of some sort of chud trap for reasons incomprehensible to people with normal business educations.

Many RT fans disliked Ky for being much louder than other hosts. One Redditor made a post about this where he politely and objectively made a point about the audio.

RT responded by trying to make this a race issue. Ky went on Twitter and made complaints along the following lines,

everyone yells, but we [black women] get the shit

I BABY - I GET SCARED - I SCREAM

I'm working on my gain lvls but if you think that's gonna make me, any less loud & expressive?

And it wasn't just Ky at work here because it didn't take long for RT to come up with "Loud is what we do” merchandise. As if the whole thing was some elaborate setup for organic marketing or guerrilla marketing or whatever the r-slurs who didn't get real degrees call it these days :marseyschizowall:

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Do you think this merchandise sold well? Do you think this endeavor solved Achievement Hunter's ratings problem? I'll let you infer for yourselves :marseysmug:

Work Culture

It's like the people who 20 years ago would bust their asses as starving artists trying to make it in Hollywood or Broadway, except really pathetic and not respectable in any way.

β€” @Redactor0

Every once in awhile RoosterTeeth would get in trouble for its "crunch culture" and management practices. In true Texas fashion the company was always criticized for being a gold ol' boy club regarding the original founders and whether they knew you or not. RT was created by cliquish nerds so I'd believe it :marseytexan:

In June 2019, dozens of anonymous reviews from Glassdoor highlighted long and unpaid hours, poor management, and over-reliance on temporary employees. Gray Haddock, Rooster Teeth's Head of Animation, stepped down two days after the allegations.

Gray Haddock was notably the driving force behind Gen:Lock, another RT animated show like RWBY that I'll bring up again later. Gen:Lock and RWBY, due to coming out back to back, had a hellish production cycle where the animation department worked massive amounts of unpaid overtime. One source estimated that both GL and Volume 6 had about a third of their seasons made entirely for free thanks to not paying overtime. Apparently RT Animation hired tons of interns on 90 day temporary contracts, all unpaid, but with the promise of a full, paying job upon completion. But when March rolled around they were shown the door :marseytrollolol:

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Flash forward to 2022 and RT has another crunch scandal featuring crossovers from social justice weirdos :marseypopcorntime:

Coinciding with RoosterTeeth's overall bloat and corporate expenditures, 2022 saw massive layoffs including Achievement Hunter's Matt Bragg, who was apparently big with the neckbeards of the subreddit. The layoffs also notably included the entire events staff, a massive red flag in retrospect since RTX was always a big deal to the company. Matt's firing upset the community and weakened the hardcore RoosterTeeth stans enough for criticism to start slipping through.

One of the more dramatic agitators was Achievement Hunter's Kdin. If you want to know what kind of person this is, xir's furry avatar is the picture featured above. :marseythinkorino2:

Kdin complained about working crunch hours and only getting paid $40k even after 7 years. Xir also claimed RoosterTeeth was problematic :soysnooseethe:

Within a few weeks of working at Rooster Teeth I was given a nickname, that nickname was a slur. Every day I came into work I was called β€œF_gg_t” - but they could not use that name in content so when anyone was recording I was called β€œFugz” instead.

Apparently Fugz was a common in-joke for AH content but for years the fans never knew what it meant. Suddenly every RT employee who had ever said "fugz" was under fire :marseydarkxd:

Other people who chimed in include Funhaus member Alanah Pearce, who is both loved and hated by dramanauts for being the token booba foid :coomer: and Arryn Zech, the voice of RWBY character Blake Belladonna :capyblakebelladonna:

I personally have had my own issues with Rooster Teeth, from the second-hand effects of crunch through a partner to being threatened with recasting on RWBY if I didn't accept what they were willing to pay me.

She kind of downplays that her partner was Miles Luna, one of the original showrunners and not someone like a hapless intern :marseyjerkoffsmile:

Mica Burton also came back to complain about RT being racist again. Geordi Jr. claimed she'd once seen the n-word :marseydagothur2: randomly written on a whiteboard. Another employee clarified that what she saw was N_ggers β€” a reference to a bit from a South Park episode :marseycanadian:

The situation deteriorated. RT released a statement that did nothing Subreddit users started looking for any reason to tear down RT some more like hating on Geoff for a "problematic like" There were plenty of complaints along the lines of the image below.

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Alas, the mob eventually turned against the initial hero of this story when they discovered Kdin had a naggers moment of xir own. This wasn't just a random floating n-word :marseydagothur: like with Mica either, but a whole rant apparently centered around The Cleveland Show of all things :marseyfamily:

The zoomers promptly turned against their would-be labor champion so this is a story where no one wins. Certainly not the poor, overworked sub jannies :marseyxd:

Overall the incident turned many of the woke zoom-zooms RT had been carefully cultivating against the company and by this point very few of the original fans were left.

Declining Ratings and a Changing Internet

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Oh no their Twitter is getting ZERO engagement. Looks like about an average of 300 likes per tweet, with 1 million followers :marseylaugh: That's so much worse than having actual controversy

β€” @texthere

Despite its expensive investments in content and influencers, RT suffered a long decline in ratings as the β€˜10s went on. The image above represents May 2022 YouTube views for Achievement Hunter, a staple of RT that had dozens of full time employees behind its production. They simply couldn't sustain a company on view counts this bad, especially considering this once popular channel had 3.7 million subscribers.

Part of RoosterTeeth's problem was the changing nature of YouTube. Despite Burnie's initial skepticism of having content off the company's own website, RT ultimately was very dependent on YouTube for their popularity. Most of the podcasts and meta gaming channels earned the majority of their views with YouTube and both RvB and RWBY got heavy exposure on YouTube. RoosterTeeth's own website was never popular enough to bring in consistent streams of new fans if all RT content had been exclusively hosted there.

YouTube became way more algorithmically driven. The site just shows me whatever it thinks I'll watch, regardless of what I tell it. I honestly don't think I've subscribed to a channel in years

β€” @Pibbles

I've made the same observations of YouTube and it's evolution as many other dramanauts. Heck I wasn't sure if it was just a thing with my account or not until I heard similar stories from others.

YouTube has sorta done a 360 over the years. When it first started the majority of viral videos were coming from completely random people and even the famous ones hardly made a career out of their meme status. A lot of this was America's Funniest Home Videos esque content and not anything with production quality. Red vs Blue originally owed its popularity to this era.

As the years went by though YouTube became more obsessed with influencers and endless content mills. I remember some of them were so heavily favored that their videos would be force fed to you if ever you searched anything tangentially related to their genre, for example the same soyboy creators if you watched anything gaming. God forbid you sat through any of their videos because then half your suggestions would be for that same channel.

Unfortunately RoosterTeeth was getting on in years and YouTube wasn't really pushing them in particular. They seemed to prefer newer and cheaper influencers that really appealed to the youngins :carpzoomer: RT itself also chased this demographic but YouTube wasn't giving them any assistance.

But this has changed again at least in the past few years. With the brand growing larger and more saturated, modern YouTube seems more dependent on its algorithm than ever and is almost right back to showing people random videos again. Anecdotally it's not uncommon for the app and site to show me videos from 5, 8, even 12+ years ago and the comment sections for these will be filled with users with a similar experience. There also seems to be a kind of "hot" feature allowing newer videos that have achieved a few thousand views to get boosted to people's front pages. Imo this is YouTube's way of courting the youngest zoomers and Gen Alpha. Kids these days :marseyracistgrandpa: prefer short and sweet meme videos over long running content channels, to say nothing of YouTube shorts as a direct TikTok competitor.

Alas RoosterTeeth didn't benefit from this system either. :marseysmug6: If we could all consult the charts.

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We'll see that RoosterTeeth only gained subscribers in one of twenty-two months. Things haven't been much better for their specific brands.

These days all the longrunning channels still following their old formulas are seeing gradual declines in views and channel subscriptions matter less than ever. YouTube doesn't seem to even put videos from subscribed channels on your front page anymore. :marseyshrug: Longtime fans started to fall off year by year and younger viewers were less and less likely to ever stumble on content at all. Meanwhile the RoosterTeeth site remained gimmicky and under trafficked so the company had no real solution to YouTube's developing away from their tried and formerly true model.

When i was fully neurodivergent, i used to love drunk tank/ early rt podcast because i was a friendless loser

β€” @Jimbo_B_Beterson

Over twenty years on since the start of noughties internet culture, it's become an inevitability that channels will lose old fans to time and shrink without constant growth. Even loyal channel subscribers will eventually grow up and move on from what entertained their younger selves. There are countless examples of old channels that still have millions of subscribers but end up with dismal contemporary view counts. RoosterTeeth's initial fandom of Xoomers and Millennials was never properly replaced with Zoomers and Alphags, and the company couldn't survive this inverted population pyramid.

RT did themselves no favors in mangling their attempts at a forced culture shift. Going into the content dark ages of Current Year :marseyglobohomo: and the dreaded Drumpf Reich :marseydarktrump: they started to lean towards social justice and overly dramatic grandstands they believed the kids would appreciate :zoomersoy: Following the corporate mergers it's probable RT ended up with the same kind of consultants that caused this trend with other media companies. You could also sorta blame RWBY since it was now their most popular show and a major recruiter for RT as a whole. When Monty died his animation fans started to lose interest. The scriptwriters-turned-total-showrunners gravitated more towards the peripheral tumblr/yuri-thumping demographic to make up ratings, and in a classic feedback loop these people soon represented the only real influx of new RT fans.

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their remaining fanbase is just weird culture war cat ladies whose high school boyfriends introduced them to rt in the first place.

source: i was the high school boyfriend

β€” @BoomhauerInTheWind

As RoosterTeeth prosecuted this war on chuds, many of the Halo dudebros heckin chuds! :soysnooseethe: that formed the original fanbase began to lose interest in the company and were replaced by an endless stream of :marseytransflag2: slash :marseyneckbeard: pfp using Twitter types. Of course these types of people have a tendency to form circular firing squads and they regularly accused the company's mayo scrote leadership of not doing enough for x or for y-phobia. It didn't help that actual RT personalities like Kdin, Geordi Jr, and Ky were happy to hop on these bandwagons. When the aforementioned Glassdoor and labor scandals came out many of these moral grandstand types turned on the company, and so RT was left with no real core demographic anymore.

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Yet another long term problem for the company was the handling of their own website and their paypig service RoosterTeeth FIRST :marseymerchantsoy: RT's premium was their first way of making money back in 2003 and Burnie always believed in focusing on the website and this program. The eventual corporate overlords in AT&T and WB also supported expansions to the service as a way of making money back from RT. FIRST offered paying members access to content before being offered to the public, in addition to extra site features, exclusive videos and merchandise. An even higher-level tier called Double Gold included such perks as: a 10% discount on all Rooster Teeth items, first access to live event VIP passes and a box of merchandise carrying a value more than $60.

RT always had an awkward relationship with YouTube especially when it came to their shows. They flip-flopped on pulling Red vs Blue and RWBY episodes from YouTube at least three times, with the most recent and final time in β€˜23. RT wanted fans to follow these shows to the site but not everyone made the transition. The website was infamous for terrible UI and crashes and many felt it made for a poor video player.

Freeloaders had always complained about the benefits and as RT began to disintegrate many FIRST users started to complain they weren't getting enough and that too much of the premium content only existed on a website few people wanted to use. One particular sore point was RWBY's season 9 getting a one year exclusivity deal with anime streaming service Crunchyroll. They paid RoosterTeeth money just to not watch the flagship show! :marseytrollcrazy:

FIRST got more expensive over time and at one point RT rug-pulled people that had previously been grandfathered in to lower pricing. Many people started unsubscribing over the years out of simple boredom when new shows failed to recapture RWBY's popularity, and the gradual cancellation of RWBY spin-off content coupled with the Volume 9 incident cost them those fans as well. People also cancelled in response to the regular controversies of RT's later years.

In the end their first and last means of keeping the lights on wasn't enough. Meanwhile the website remained so unpopular that paid services Crunchyroll and Amazon Prime had better viewing numbers for RWBY and RvB than the RoosterTeeth site itself.


RWBY Post Monty :carprustedknight:


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I liked the episodes where they hit people with big weapons and I didn't like the episodes where they talked

β€” :carp:

So how was RWBY doing throughout all this? Despite Monty Oum's death in 2015 RoosterTeeth's breakout hit chugged along, growing both in scope and production value. The continuation of the series was greenlit year after year up until Volume 9 and its success at a multimedia franchise of their very own further inspired RoosterTeeth to launch other animated programs alongside RWBY spin-offs and crossovers.

However, the FNDM (four letters geddit? :marseysting:) never recovered from the tragic end of the Monty era. The show's writing received harsher criticism going forward and the fight scenes no longer carried the built in marketing of being Monty's fight scenes. A divide formed between those who hated the scriptwriters and those who were fine with RWBY's direction. The integrity of the property was also threatened by scandals revolving around RT's business practices as a whole.

Ultimately RWBY started to deteriorate alongside the rest of RoosterTeeth going into the end of the decade.

RWBY 2: The Search for More Money

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As mentioned in the first thread, RT wasn't shy about milking RWBY for all it was worth. The main show soon spawned a few supplemental animated shows like Chibi and World of Remnant alongside behind the scenes stuff like the FIRST exclusive show CRWBY (It sounds like crew-by geddit? :brookslaugh:) An official dub fueled a fanbase in Japan which ultimately led to several mangas and another animated show. The WB aquisition allowed for DC published comics and a Justice League crossover that also got animated. Several RWBY video games were produced and the main characters also featured in the fighting game Blazblue Cross Tag Battle. RWBY characters also cameo in the films Doctor Sleep and Ready Player One and in the video games Crusader's Quest, Puzzle of Empires, Knights Chronicle, SMITE, Paladins, and Black Rock Shooter FRAGMENT.

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The :marseyjap: made spin-off RWBY: Ice Queendom deserves special mention since it got a lot of attention for being an actual anime. Ice Queendom was fairly successful and was given a chance by people who wouldn't watch the "PS2 Cutscene" regular show, but in a way it also highlighted the problems of mainline RWBY. People who praised the animation here still weren't fans of 3D and many felt it still couldn't help the series' script. Others felt that it was too short and sweet and would have preferred a condensed anime retelling of the whole series.

Despite its own popularity, Ice Queendom also galvanized existing criticisms of RWBY and made a lot of people feel the franchise needed to be in better hands. It may have honestly contributed to β€” rather than help reverse β€” the disdain for RoosterTeeth's animation department.

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Fatherless Behavior :!marseyrubyrose: :!carpyangxiaolong: :marseytaiyangxiaolonggenocide:

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The "divide" is due to groups with different preferences. Group 1: People who appreciate a good action scene (Monty's choreography was every bit as brilliant as the best of Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Donnie Yen, etc.) Group 2: those who just want to hop on a popular fandom with their friends or whatever (i.e., capeshit). The entire reason for RWBY's initial popularity is Monty, without Group 1, Group 2 couldn't exist. Hence the demise of RWBY was completely unavoidable, and every season after his death was purely made to milk Group 2.

β€” @aydyn

Despite all this growth there was trouble on the CRWBY homefront. Monty's death forced a restructuring of how the show was made and led to a longstanding schism in the viewer base. RWBY has an infamously spergy and schizophrenic fandom with a tendency to complain about the stupidest things imaginable but for the most part you can zoom out and divide it into two camps. The Monty fans who believe the show lost its SOVL without him and the fans who don't mind scriptwriters Miles Luna and Kerry Shawcross and think the current show is fine or even better than it was. Many of the former are simple noughties action autists :marseyben10: while the latter are more of the :marseytransflag2: slash :marseyneckbeard: types.

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Shane Newville was a RWBY animator who worked with Monty Oum going back to the RvB days and was sort of an apprentice of his. In 2016 he released a letter complaining about how the show was being handled after Monty's death. It makes sense he'd expect more creative freedoms since RWBY did start as a uniquely animator driven creation. The scriptwriters didn't take over fully until after Monty. Shane was dismissed from RT and a few others like animator Dillon Gu and producer and voice actress Kathleen Zuelch followed soon after. Many in the FNDM are bitter about this and dramatically accuse CRWBY (which is often shorthand for Miles and Kerry) of purging the Monty loyalists :marseydarkcomrade:

The show's fight scene animation from Volume 4 onward is a particular sore point for fans who believe it's just not SOVLFVL without Monty. Compare and contrast for yourselves between Volumes 1 and 9.

While the latter has better overall animation (I would hope so for 6 million) the emphasis on choreography isn't really there anymore.

It also shows how ridiculous RWBY's writing got over time. This is supposed to be the climactic final battle of Volume 9 and it's literally Team RWBY vs… a cat

:#capyblakebelladonna::#marseyrule4:

Another issue RWBY suffered from was the strain RoosterTeeth's animation department faced from having to work on both RWBY and the new shows that used it as a springboard. From β€˜17 to β€˜19 they worked on the time consuming and expensive show Gen:LOCK. Gray Haddock, the creative lead, was also in charge of the entire animation department so he freely seized resources from RWBY's development while still expecting animators to stay on schedule. This whole incident led to the β€˜19 RT labor scandal and contributed to the company's growing expenses.

But before we focus on when RT's decline became terminal, I'll bring up a few more RWBY scandals because we all love laughing at nerds. :marseynouautism:

SHIT (four letters geddit :marseyawesomeface:) Nobody Cares About Enthusiasts

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I'm pretty sure RWBY turned my cousin into an AGP trans girl.

He was always a huge g*mer and got into Rooster Teeth through their Halo series. Then he started watching RWBY. Had a poster and everything on his wall. And now he is a she.

So yeah. Maybe this will happen to you?

β€” @tejanx

As RWBY's reputation turned to poo so it was with the dwindling and increasingly entrenched FNDM. They notably separated into two distinct forms of autism, those who rapidly supported the show and those who learned to have fun hating on it. To this day most who really hate the show rather than just groan at it are former Monty era fans that fled from CRWBY's tyrannical reign :marseyjamesironwood: The hardcore fans also tend to be soys and the alphabet :marseyhomofascist: obsessed who decry the haters as chuds :chudspin: Meanwhile the haters are an odd coalition of chuds :chudboyclub: Dead Fantasy era action lovers :boomerportrait: and soys who would still be RWBY fans if the sub jannies hadn't once mopped their shipping memes :platydomjanny:

FNDM Civil War

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The "mainstream" RWBY fans these days, the CRWBY camp has long been taken over by tumblr type shut-ins and is filled with people like this. Supported in their fandom culture war by the showrunners themselves and the overwhelming power of the /r/RWBY jannies :marseybongojanny: they have resorted to increasingly esoteric purity spirals so as to establish proper RWBY fan praxis. They almost have their own language built off show references -- for example the furry creatures being stand ins for real life civil rights movements and "Adam Taurus fanboy" can be another term for chud :carpadamtaurus: They tend to post things like this,

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Speaking for Reddit at least, /r/RWBY fell into a habit of banning anyone who didn't fit the narrative and in doing so created their own AfD :marseyzwei: coalition of rival fans. In spaces like /r/RWBYcritics they gather and lament on what went wrong and how it could be better. Some of these posters are just tumblr fans of a different persuasion. Others lean chuddy. Either way they're on the backfoot in the struggle for RWBY's SOVL and have largely resorted to shitposts.

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Bumblebee

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I won't get into the full breadth of RWBY shipping drama but the notable flashpoint would be "Bumblebee", the canon :marseyterfdomesticabuse: pairing between main characters Blake and Yang (cos they're black and yellow geddit? :marseywheeze:) Tumblr types :marseywitch2: and one-handed moid viewers :coomerface: think it's the greatest thing ever and that only a CHUD :marseywitchtriggered: would take issue. In response to chudpaganda talkpoints like "They had nothing in common" and "Didn't Blake have a boyfriend?" they will mobilize on all fronts and force the poor and overworked moderators to lock threads :pepejannie: Still liking the pairing between Blake and her original male love interest :marseysunwukong2: is the highest form of chuddery one can commit :marseywrongthonk:

Driven from the public space once more, critics of the pairing could only articulate their frustration through shitposts

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It was also this plot development that spawned homphobic Ruby https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711411520234734.webp

Volume 9 as a Crunchyroll Exclusive

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From Volume 6 onwards CRWBY and RoosterTeeth's animation as a whole suffered from troubled productions. Gen:LOCK and Gray Haddock ate resources and interns until the higher-ups restructured the department. Shortly after, CRWBY had to combine Volume 8 and 9's production on a narrow timetable. RT alleges this was done for no particular reason whatsoever :marseyteehee: but it's probably because the RWBY animators also had to make the Justice League direct to home video crossover movie.

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In the end Volume 9 was not only pushed back to '23, but ended up with a one year exclusivity deal with Crunchyroll. Even people paying for RT FIRST couldn't watch it :marseyjannyitsover: and the full season is only just now coming to RT's website in the year of its shutdown :marseygravedance:

Let's be honest, the founders are long gone or have no say at this point. The RT they built is gone. This is the corpse of RT and it'll be put out of its misery soon enough.

-- /r/RWBY

The dwindling FNDM didn't take well to this one. :marseydarkxd:

THIS MIGHT BE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU READ TODAY

We realize that many of you will assume that it is now β€œok” to pirate the show because it's on a big media platform and the IP is owned by a big media conglomerate. Let me be clear: PLEASE DON'T PIRATE THE SHOW. Pirating RWBY hurts us in so many ways and has a direct impact on the content and CRWBY.

I cannot stress this enough: RWBY lives and dies by how it is monetized by you, our fans.

Many folks assume that, given that RT is wholly owned by Warner Bros Discovery (WBD), that we have an endless pool of cash just laying around. You could not be further from the truth. While we are indeed owned by WBD and love being a part of the family, we typically tend to run RT as an independent business within the larger framework of the organization. Contrary to popular belief, we do not receive an annual bucket of money to fund the show.

If you care about the show and you want to see future seasons, spinoffs, etc, then please watch the show using legal means. The bigger splash we make on CR, the better the future is for RWBY. Please - don't be a jerk. Don't pirate our show.

Also the RT website had to beg people not to pirate it


And that's all I have space for. I really didn't expect this to be a series but the good news is there's more than enough content for Part 3 :marseylongpost:

Also be sure to check out Kang's review of the RWBY Justice League movie :marseykino:

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Smelly, balding, Redditors :soysnooseethe: blame capitalism :soyjaktantrum: when their bullies :marseypunching: are more successful :marseycapitalistmanlet:, sexier :marseygigachad:, and have better hair :marseyfluffy: than them.

That's who capitalism rewards, those who bully others.

:#marseysoycrytrembletalking:

t. /u/David_DH, a Redditor since 2016 who posts exclusively in videogame subs and subs for toys.


This is literally how global capitalism rewards behavior. It's a zero sum game where one wins because others lose, so of course the aggressor will excel.

:#marseysoyswitchtalking:

t. /u/Vo_Mimbre 23k redditor over 3 years. Posts in videogame subs and /r/marvelstudios.


Uhh yeah, capitalism breeds narcissists.

You pretty have to have zero to no empathy to be successful in today's economy

CEOs and big-wigs are usually sociopaths or psychopaths

:#soysnooseethetalking:

t. /u/clearcontroller, redditor since 2011. Posts in videogame subs, /r/antiwork, and /r/tinder.


Maybe we as a society should rethink what personality traits we are incentivizing

:#soyjakanimeglassestalking:

t. /u/Loud-Ad-2280, the op and proud owner of a 200k, 3 year old Reddit account. Posts in /r/PoliticalHumor and /r/Leopardsatemyface!

And replying to that...

Capitalism above all baybeee

:#soysnootalking:

Thank you, /u/HobbieK, for taking time out of your busy schedule of running a 9 year old Reddit account, posting in /r/Helldivers, /r/Starwarsbattlefront, and /r/letterboxd. Be sure to bring this epic pwnage up at your next /r/DSA groomercord meeting!

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526 clicks and 9gb of a mod pack later :marseywave2: my wrist

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EFFORTPOST 1973: When Beth Elloitt Asked If Trans Women Were Welcome Here

Origin of an Idea

1955, in the sunkissed city of San Francisco, a group of lesbians congregated to create an offshoot of the Homophile Movement modeled after Harry Hay's Mattachine Society rooted within assimilation and secrecy, calling themselves the Daughters of Bilitis based on an oblique reference to Sappho. This organization gradually moved from secrecy and assimilation toward radicalism and activism, eventually boiling in 1966 during the North American Conference of Homophile Organizations when the itinerary was perceived to have been focused on male homosexual issues. This shunted the Daughters of Bilitis increasingly within an aggrieved and feminist direction, with dissatisfaction growing toward male homosexuals and an increased emphasis on the feminism of the day.

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Daughters of Bilitis publication

The breaking point was reached when members of Daughters of Bilitis demanded a focus on lesbian matters and came away with token concessions, causing the founder of Daughters of Bilitis, Del Martin, to pen β€˜If That's All There Is' marking the start of the Lesbian Separatist and Lesbian Feminist movement.

The Daughters of Bilitis quickly died as a meaningful organization, folding at the national level in 1970 though operating as a vestige at the local level, the corpse serving to fertilize a thousand flowers.

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Del Martin

Fragmentation

Organizations like the Gorgons and Guttercute butches absorbed the displaced cute butches which desired a different direction, one characterized by radicalism and separatism. Armed with copies of Les Guérillères by Monique Wittig these organizations launched an absolute assault, rejecting traditional linguistic practices alongside all traditional politics as being rooted within patriarchal heterosexual priors, striking out as a tradition that sought a total break from the patriarchal past and political present, retreating into separation to achieve this end.

The carcass of the Daughters of Bilitis still writhed, depleted of possibility but still carrying prestige, in 1971 the San Francisco chapter voted on the admission of a new member, Beth Elliot. The difference between Beth Elloitt which raised admittance to the point of controversy was her s*x, being born male and transitioning into a woman after reaching adulthood while pronouncing a lesbian identity within a letter to a radical feminist magazine called β€˜It Ain't Me Babe' which mentions someone named Bev. The admittance, contentious, allowed her entrance into the lesbian underground as a formal member of a coveted sisterhood. She moved into the position of vice president of the San Francisco branch and editor of the group's new letter termed β€˜Sisters'.

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Beth Elloitt and her album 'Buried Treasure'

The Purge

Members of the derivatives, outraged that the homeland had become occupied by a male, launched a counterattack. A vote is held in the aftermath, expelling Beth from the Daughters of Bilitis within 35 to 29 against Beth, and the editorial staff of β€˜Sisters' resigned in solidarity.

A figure, obscure at the time and attaining minor fame, Bev Jo Von Dohre, came forward to accuse Beth Elloitt of sexual harassment by revealing herself to be the Bev mentioned in Beth Elloitt's aforementioned letter. The account that Bev provided contradicted Elloitt's account deeply, portraying Beth Elloitt as a shy heterosexual man with whom she shared no meaningful connection beyond base pleasantry and that Elloitt had transitioned to have s*x with lesbians and impersonate her, adopting a name similar to her own and dying her hair a similar color.

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Bev Jo Von Dohre

This marks the start of a concept that many on this site are deeply familiar with, that trans women become perverse imitations of the women with whom they wish to sleep with, in this moment the concept of the :marseytrain2: skinwalkers is born. For her part, Elliot claims that this was motivated by Bev wishing to create distance between her and the hated infiltrator male to not be ostracized from the Guttercute butches. Both have no evidence for their assertions beyond their words.

In the summer of 1973, the West Coast Lesbian Conference was held, a conference which had a small musical festival attached, 1,300 lesbian women from all over the country flocked to the newly founded Lesbos resurrected, making a pilgrimage to lesbian Mecca.

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Guttercute butches Distribution

Cast From Eden

A queer rumor begins to spread through leaflets from The Gutter Cute butches, one which many of the women in attendance find impossible to believe or understand, that a male is going to perform as a self-styled country musician. A male who is purported to pronounce a lesbian identity. Disbelief and mockery rapidly turn into confusion and objection as Beth Elloitt, an undeniable male, takes the stage and starts to perform. The audience turns from confusion to rage, the crowd igniting into a riot as Beth Elliot is protected by a thin line of women who wish to prevent violence from breaking out. Beth Elloitt swiftly departs from the stage and the conference concludes with Robin Morgan diverting from her planned speech to rouse the attendants to a vote to expel Beth Elloitt, a vote which two-thirds of attendees reject leading to allegations of an acceptance denied.

Speech in Question

>Are we, out of the compassion in which we have been positively forced to drown as women, are we yet again going to defend the male supremacist yes obscenity of male transvestism? How many of us will try to explain awayβ€”or permit into our organizations, even, men who deliberately re-emphasize gender roles, and who parody female oppression and suffering as β€œcamp”? Maybe it seems that we, in our β€œliberated” combat boots and jeans aren't being mocked. No? Then it is β€œmerely” our mothers, and their mothers, who had no other choice, who wore hobbling dresses and torture-stiletto-heels to survive, to keep jobs, or to keep husbands because they themselves could get no jobs. No, I will not call a male β€œshe;” thirty-two years of suffering in the androcentric society, and of surviving, have earned me the name β€œwoman”; one walk down the street by a male transvestite, five minutes of his being hassled (which he may enjoy), and then he dares, he dares to think he understands our pain? No, in our mothers' names and in our own, we must not call him sister. We know what's at work when whites wear blackface; the same is at work when men wear drag.

Inoculation

This serves as the first mention of the concept that trans women r*pe through infiltration of women-dominated spaces.

These events electrify lesbian separatist whisper networks, Robin Morgan's words terming Beth Elloitt as having β€˜the mentality of a male feminist' find fresh tinder as an inferno turns bright. Lesbian feminist organizations, previously never considering the possibility of trans lesbians, issue formal policies of exclusion, publishing polemics of a group of shapeshifting infiltrators that seek to subvert the good old cause.

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Robin Morgan

Beyond the Fringes and Into the Mainstream

The events, not witnessed only recounted, reach the ears of one Janice Raymond coalescing the percolating perception found within the lesbian separatist underground into formal regard, β€˜Transexual Empire'. The book delivers only a single sentence on trans men, totally fixated upon trans women. The book serves to codify what is recognized today as the transexual infiltrator as clearly stated here β€˜All transsexuals r*pe women's bodies by reducing the real female form to an artifact, appropriating this body for themselves' though she would later recant the specific usage of r*pe within this context. The book would win acclaim within feminist circles as the definitive account of the growing transgender phenomenon One of the figures focused on in the book is a trans woman named Sandy Stone, working as a recording engineer for Jimi Hendrix and serving as a member of the Olivia Records recording label an organization which had bucked the trend of trans exclusion.

Sandy Stone leaves Olivia Records in the aftermath, offered protection from the label which was shirked after a threat of boycott, instead she left for university. Attaining a philosophy PHD with her thesis β€˜The Empire Strikes Back: A Posttransexual Manifesto' which served as the genesis of transgender studies, cited as the work which killed transsexuality and birthed trans as a demedicalized conception.

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Sandy Stone

Fallout

In the end, Beth Elloit becomes more a martyr than a musician with Bev Jo Von Dohre mirroring, Robin Morgan becomes the preeminent anti-pornography feminist, Janice Raymond peaking as the preeminent feminist scholar of transgender women before being eclipsed by Judith Butler, Sandy Stone becoming the founder of trans studies and the Godmother of all modern trans activism. All the mentioned organizations die and this moment serves as the high-water mark of the lesbian separatist movement though for reasons unrelated.

The Summer Which Never Ends

This cycle repeats Michigan Womyn's Music Festival and all over women's spaces as valids ask the always pertinent question 'are trans women welcome here'. The Summer of 1973 lives on like the spirit of May '68, a moment, an idea, and a legacy which presents as the principal hauntology of a current. The Summer of '73 refuses to end as we all wait for the come of fall as the trans question comes to resemble commedia dell'arte, a rotating cast of actors playing archetypal roles and repeating beloved catchphrases.

Sources :sciencejak:

Anti-:marseytrain2:

Link to Beth Elloitt's letter with anti :marseytrain2: commentary

https://www.evakurilova.com/p/a-womans-love-gender-wars-history

Bev Jo's account

https://bevjo.substack.com/p/truth-versus-lies

https://www.evakurilova.com/p/gender-wars-history-series-bev-jo

Janice

Transsexual Empire by Janice Raymond

Pro-:marseytrain2:

https://theterfs.com/2013/10/12/1973-west-coast-terfs/

Trans History by Susan Stryker

Mirrors: Portrait of a Lesbian Transsexual by Beth Elliott

I'm sure that I fricked up the tense somewhere by presenting the events of 1973 in present tense and those prior in past tense and I'm sure that people will quibble of what pronouns were used and the current recounting of the events, know that I won't read any of that.

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I'm literally crying and pooping over an AI skeleton right now : moviescirclejerk

Context : An indie horror film came out recently. This indie horror film used AI to generate some posters that appear in the background of a scene. This was apparently an experiment by the art team for the film. This is also, literally a hecking genocide.

https://preview.redd.it/l6qqg5x76wqc1.jpeg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=8b8d09d48fe9babb71042bfa5eb0963a2a04172b

This "review" was posted to /r/moviescirclejerk to make fun of the author. As is natural for a circlejerk sub, people take it seriously and get mad about AI art instead of laughing at the r-slur.

The use of AI is fricked up, especially for indie film makers who are in the chopping block. They literally could've gotten better art for like 50 bucks. Do you want the future where "You go home and make an AI romcom with you and Marillyn Monroe" like the Russos' want? Because this is the first of many cuts.

Ya, can't make any concessions on AI. If people use the β€œoh it's such a small part of the film” or β€œso many other people worked on it and it'd be a shame to not give them their due just cause there are small uses of AI”…those arguments are how studios will justify using AI more and more until it becomes so normalized that a significant number of careers are eliminated and impacted just to save some money and strip the humanity from the art form.

EDIT: just want to clarify i think review bombing is dumb in this case and just not seeing it is the way to go

You'll have to boycott Dune Part 2 as well, because they used AI to track the eyes for shots where they're tinted blue.

I personally think that use is fine and perfectly ethical because it removes tedium from the artists' workload, but if you're going to toe the absolutist line of β€œcan't make any concessions” then you can't make exceptions.

Ai guided art is not the same thing as ai generated art, this movie did not use what you are describing

I'm aware. I'm also against the use of AI-art that replaces human-created content, but that's not what the above comment stated.

"Ya, can't make any concessions on AI." That's a pretty black-and-white, absolutist argument against the use of it in any form. I would like to learn more about its potential as a tool to help alleviate the artist workload, but that's sadly not the conversation anyone wants to have.

I can't believe they didn't clarify every possible way you could willfully misinterpret and extrapolate what they were saying

:marseysoycry:

I understand the frustration and am also vehemently against the use of AI art but I think the review bombing specifically just because of the use of AI art is hypocritical.

Not only is the AI art less than 1% of the runtime of the movie, it's also not critical to the movie at all. By review bombing the movie I think you're devaluing the efforts of the actual humans and could potentially hurt their careers by trying to sabotage something they worked on.

So I agree with the sentiment but don't think this is the right way to get your message out. Maybe I'm bias because I loved the movie tho

Their "careers" are supposed to exist cause their skills are needed and valued, not out of charity - otherwise might as well just shed the pretense and put them on UBI (which I support).

My dude, if you're on the side of computers rather than humans then I don't even know what to say.

My dude you're on the side of computers :poonerdood: :marseyrobot:

I do think they're overreacting a little, but as someone who has read the full review, I feel obliged to talk about this. I would have cited my sources, but I'm not sure how to do that on Reddit.

The reviewer mentions that they're a struggling artist and the fact that they scraped money to see this film only for them to show reminders that their work will be underappreciated and replaced with automated art in the future. Was it worth pooping and cumming over? Not necessarily, but it paints a grim image for artists, even ones who are really successful and can easily make a living out of it. Apart from that, the reviewer said that the film is "very witty and funny" but feels tainted by these out-of-place elements that further remind the audience that the future of art will be recycled and derivative of pre-existing pieces. Users on X, formerly known as Twitter, have argued that boycotting the film simply because of AI art is a spit in the face towards everyone else who worked on this film, which sort of makes it a lose-lose for both sides.

AI-generated pieces are very new and a little uncanny as well, and despite the uses of it in "Late Night with the Devil" and "Secret Invasion", I really hope this doesn't become the norm, and the anger is justified.

they're a struggling artis

not my fault they picked a stupid career

:marseykneel:

I know this is a circlejerk but kind of fricked up to post this without the wider context of the rest of that review? this person is an artist who spent time and money to see a film whose creators actively devalue their livelihood, you can cherry pick the most dramatic part for lols but I can understand why that would be disheartening

How were their livelihoods devalued?

:marseypearlclutch:

Hot take, this isn't an overreaction at all. AI has no place in art and will be the death of it. If you can't make a movie without AI, don't make a fricking movie,

People like you existed when digital art came to prominence , and 30 years later you and your cool little Reddit avi are unharmed and art isn't dead .

Not the same thing. Art is about human expression, AI isn't human. Typing in a prompt is not art.

There's a lot of good seethe in this one

Great job OP. Next up, post a review about somebody complaining about legitimate racism in a film and call them a crybaby.

Being pro-Ai is the same as being racist, you chud :marseyblackface:

Also, I took these screenshots last year and haven't had an opportunity to post them. Enjoy some bonus content !kino

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You have to admire the full r-slur tendency to burn bridges though :marseysipping:

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Least soft current year leftoids

Commies have seriously fallen off. 50 years back college commies were leading rural insurrections and shiz. They were more harmful but also respectable.

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rDrama has fallen: Impassionata declares a General Retreat

Yes, the Impassionatas are en masse

Yes, we are numerous

but we cannot turn the tide

rDrama has fallen

If we can't shut the misogynist incel types up then this place is boring and stupid and everyone still here should feel bad about themselves for being here, just like the whiners and losers at https://soyjak.party. Just like the obsessive idiots of the farms.

Plainly: I'm leaving, and I'm taking all of the cool people with me.

I provide you this evidence that this place is fake and straight:

1- Power moderators run the holes.

I was evicted from the pol hole because they don't want anyone challenging their consensus reality.

2- It's not that it's meta-drama, it's that it's shitty meta-drama

It's one thing to document humans being weirdos. It's another to assert a flaw where none exists in a narrative which persecutes women.

Like it or not the presence of women is the only thing which keeps this place cool at all.

If you treat women badly they will leave you and you will be alone. It's not that difficult to understand.

So if you have to tell the story of a woman 'behaving badly' and all that woman did is get laid, then it is you, the man who can't get laid, who has a problem.

And if you make that the entire community's problem, you will just kill your community, and then you will blame other people instead of your own goddarn self because you're a bunch of weak moids.

And yes, I saw all of this coming:

https://rdrama.net/post/36178/way-too-many-moids-allowed-on 2 years ago

https://rdrama.net/post/16101/this-place-is-a-little-sad one of my very first posts.

But I wanted to believe in Marsey.

:#marseyshrug:

3- The largest metashit ping group has kicked me out as it has been co-opted by the incel misogynists.

Death to metashit. The current metashit cabal is the Death Drive of rDrama.

@A

Will you let this situation stand?

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borgar

https://twitter.com/GreenTanuki64/status/1773077198758424978

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India emerges most optimistic market in March 2024 across 29 markets polled: Ipsos Global Advisor What Worries the World

Worry around inflation, unemployment & education diminishes significantly in March 2024

India has emerged the most optimistic market in March 2024, across all the 29 markets covered in the survey with over 3 in 4 urban Indians polled (77%) believing India is moving in the right direction, according to the Ipsos Global Advisor monthly survey that tracks public opinion on the most important social and political issues across 29 countries, alongside whether people think things in their country are heading in the right or wrong direction.

The other top markets on optimism were Singapore (72%) and Indonesia (72%), tied at the 2nd spot, followed by Thailand (59%) and Mexico (55%). The markets at the bottom of the heap were Peru (14%) and France (18%) with lowest optimism levels about the future. Only 38% global citizens were optimistic about the future.

Worry levels diminish around key issues for Urban Indians in March 2024

Further, the survey reveals a significant drop in worry around the key issues of inflation (38%) (-11%), unemployment (38%) (-5%) and education (29%) (-6%) over the previous month. Though worry around financial/ political corruption (24%) (+3%) has increased, but unchanged for crime and violence (23%).

Global worries – Global citizens have got a slight reprieve in March 2024 around inflation.

Summarizing on the findings of the survey, Amit Adarkar, CEO, Ipsos India said, "India has bucked the global trend of pessimism and emerged the No.1 market in optimism across the 29 markets, where the Ipsos Advisor survey is held every month. If we look back, India has always been among the top markets in optimism, through months and years. India has not crumbled under global adversities and citizens have believed in the system, unlike many global markets that have been downbeat. What could have worked for India? Its resilience, its course correction in the face of severe hardships on citizens. Govt cut fuel prices by Rs. 2, in March, across India, which provided some relief around inflation and cost of living. Worry around unemployment has also reduced with the job market in the hiring mode in some sectors like retail, automotive, f&b, IT & technology etc. Worry around inflation and unemployment has seen a significantdrop in March 2024 and likewise for education. With general elections coming up in mid-April, corruption charges are already flying thick and fast, which is a matter of concern. Also, crime and violence are of deep concern to citizens."

Link to full report https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2024-03/India%20emerges%20most%20optimistic%20market%20in%20March%202024%20-%20Ipsos%20What%20Worries%20the%20World%20Global%20Monthly%20Survey_March%2027%202024.pdf


!bharatiya

:marseyitsogre: for euros. @X how accurate do you think this is?

Some :marseysneed: here https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1773284102738751876

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Tamago sushi-chan

https://twitter.com/parirobo/status/1773258728826896844

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113743535447683.webp

Momo Momone (UTAUloid)

:#marseyconfused2:

Took me three reads to vaquely comprehend what this autist is saying.

TLDR: A groomercord for mulitiple personality havers kicked them because they thought they were faking.

The groomercord is called Novus Transfempire btw.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113743538948753.webp

Omg :marseyeyeroll: :marseyfacepalm:


Interesting thing I :marseynooticeglow: which probably won't be news to high IQ dramautists, almost everyone in this sub is trans, nonbinary or autist (or both).

I'm going to list every commenter in that thread from top to bottom to show you how crazy this is. :marseyprotestyes:

/u/ItzMinty_Leafx from the screenshot above

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113745948383393.webp :#marseyhmm:


/u/neurotoxin_69 - 18-year-old defect + possibly neurodivergent, please be patient or i will get scared

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw1mdnh/?context=8&sort=controversial

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113748432676904.webp :#!chudglassesglow:


/u/traitorcrow

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw46lny/?context=8&sort=controversial

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711375045731102.webp


/u/FictionalReality7654

https://i.rdrama.net/images/171137518812048.webp


/u/WillAndTheGang

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw1i701/?context=8&sort=controversial

This one took a minute, but I found it :marseywholesome:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113755964544673.webp


/u/PSSGal

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw5yscp/?context=8&sort=controversial

Active in a number of trans subs

https://old.reddit.com/r/transgendercirclejerk/comments/1bk1cq6/kids_cant_choose_their_gender/

https://old.reddit.com/r/genderfluid_irl/comments/1936tks/genderfluid_irl/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/ennnnnnnnnnnnbbbbbby/comments/15rg03w/ah_yes_the_4_genders/?sort=controversial


/u/axiomzwrath

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw241n9/?context=8&sort=controversial

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113759128742507.webp


/u/supernony

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw2l7gr/?context=8&sort=controversial

Again, I thought we had the first one that isn't trans or autist. Nope

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113761385731776.webp


/u/TorturedManiac01

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw2u5g2/?context=8&sort=controversial

Finally :marseyexcited: I don't see trans or autism, but they have ADHD

https://old.reddit.com/r/adhdwomen/comments/12kvkho/i_dont_want_this/?sort=controversial

Demisexual

https://old.reddit.com/r/demisexuality/comments/19atwvs/being_demi_is_lonely/?sort=controversial

Identifies as pansexual and has questioned asexuality

https://old.reddit.com/r/Asexual/comments/18argru/am_i_asexual/?sort=controversial

And she's active in basically every foid mental illness subreddit (BPD, NPD, etc.)


/u/PhantomLights_10 only has a few comments so :marseyshrug:


/u/IIIItoto

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw2fmb0/?context=8&sort=controversial

Autist

https://old.reddit.com/r/evilautism/comments/1bka1q7/i_hate_groomercord/?sort=controversial

Therian (Animal larpers)

https://old.reddit.com/r/Therian/comments/1bh60xr/you_dont_have_to_be_born_a_therian/?sort=controversial


/u/Puzzled_Ad_1725

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw33hz8/?context=8&sort=controversial

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113770842885358.webp

Post they made to XenoGender

https://old.reddit.com/r/XenogendersAndMore/comments/z374ak/some_genders_i_made_3/?sort=controversial

Also a Therian

https://old.reddit.com/r/Therian/comments/1bjxuof/members_of_our_sys_and_their_theriotypes_3/?sort=controversial

Literally them btw

https://old.reddit.com/r/ageregression/comments/1blcz46/i_maded_meself/?sort=controversial


/u/jadesylph

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw50y8v/?context=8&sort=controversial

Ngl I almost skipped this one because their comment is buried and I'm getting tired. But journ*listic integrity is important on rDrama.

There it is

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113773229470453.webp


/u/spycat924

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw4y4qy/?context=8&sort=controversial

Omg nothing :marseyyayyy: but their whole account is anime and manga posting so it's only a matter of time :marseyeggirl:


/u/LaylaEclipse000

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw5aylc/?context=8&sort=controversial

I don't see a specific autist or trans declaration, but they're active in /r/ActualLesbians and /r/GatekeepingYuri so... :marseysmirk2:


/u/RandomSynpases

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw2ic02/?context=8&sort=controversial

Trans

https://old.reddit.com/r/transpassing/comments/16034ga/do_i_pass_thinking_ffs_any_advice/?sort=controversial


/u/MadderCollective

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw3ky91/?context=8&sort=controversial

Well there's this

Do you as someone AFAB (or AMAB) have male (or female) hosts that don't consider themselves trans?

One of our old hosts considered and still considers himself a "cisgendered hetero male", and did not consider our body (AFAB) his body, even remotely. This caused a lot of constant dysphoria for him (this was over a decade ago) and he typically wore binders any time he heavily fronted and had an entire routine for putting on and taking off his wardrobe.


/u/RedstnPhoenx

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw93vga/?context=8&sort=controversial

No posts. I didn't find any trans or autist in the comments. :marseyyayyy: Inconclusive.


:#marseysleep:

:#marseyitsallsotiresome: :#marseytabletired2:

Im an r-slur but :soyjak: there's much more going on with this trans thing than the activists would have you believe. Of course this is a small sample, but it's still interesting. There was a similar thing with the tik tok tourettes where a huge amount of them were also trans or nonbinary

https://rdrama.net/post/147297/new-nyts-article-about-tik-tok

Many of the accounts in /r/OSDD are also teenagers. It's clearly some combination of

  • Kids latching onto various identities whether on purpose to be cool or unique. Or inadvertently picking up these things through social contagion or online influence.

  • Autists

  • Mentally ill people who aren't getting help. They're falling deeper into mental illness and seeing their illness as an identity rather than something to be dealt with and overcome.

:#marseyshrug:

What are your thoughts? If you read this far ping @Holly_Jolly_Kong in the comments.

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Community notes are quick to the rescue https://i.rdrama.net/images/17115479825400536.webp

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/massive-ship-bali-crashed-baltimores-francis-scott-key/story

Turns out that unsurprisingly the people who crashed the ship are locals

Seething at the loss, rightoids decide to blame Ukrainian refugees instead, as if to say "we are still correct" https://twitter.com/ProjectCaracas/status/1772641870054563910

Once again, community notes prove him wrong. Turns out it is no refugee, but a guy that worked as master for the ship 8 years ago, and had nothing to do with it now.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17115479827442217.webp

https://twitter.com/SamDoak5/status/1772653907124056404

Others correct the chuddies that even according to law, the ship must be piloted by a Marylander

https://twitter.com/jj_timmins/status/1772639008876536040

https://twitter.com/Krypt0_Ape/status/1772644054901178741

But the chuddies won't be convinced, as they're allergic to facts and logic :marseyshapiro:

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