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:siren: PHILOSOPHYTUBE FELL FOR THE ANTIWUCOALITION :siren: 1.3 MILLION :marseysamhyde: LIBTARDS BAITED :marseybait: :wolfrofl: LARGEST SINGLE :marseywall: MISINFORMATION :marseydeception: SPREAD :marseymisinformation: IN RDRAMA :marseyhammerpizza: HISTORY?!?!?! :marseyscream:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17115041813186603.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17115041814931788.webp

STUNNING BRAVE QUEEN :marseycard: AND CONTRAPOINTS SKINWALKER MAKES AN HOUR LONG VIDEO :marseyzeldalinknes: CENTERING AROUND @Landlord_Messiah's BAIT ACCOUNT. 1.3 MILLION :marseysamhyde2: LIBTARDS WATCH... NONE OF THEM KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

:#chudjakdancing:

:worship: LANDLORD_MESSIAH IS MESSIAH :!worship:

:#chudjakdancing:

source:

https://rdrama.net/post/231171/posted-this-ironically-and-people-fell

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  • Sphereserf3232 : But then I would have to create a xitter account :marseysad:
  • DickButtKiss : I knew plenty of neighbors like you get drunk and try to relive the past. ITS OVER ur DONE!
  • JohnnyBOO : :hesri
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Listen up cute twinks. It's time we became as annoying on Twitter as we once were on Reddit.

Reddit is dead to us. All our accounts are device banned and our gayops get jannied faster than Disney goyslop flops at the box office.

It's time to take a new frontier. Elon Musk has given us a (mostly) jannie free playground and most of you straggots aren't even there.

We should be trolling with Marseys in every trending thread. We should be brigading every commie/nazi/r-slur we see until posters want to throw up every time they see an orange cat. We should annoy twittards so much that the very idea of us showing up in a post makes them cry about the transgender nazis from rDrama.

@Landlord_Messiah is doing his part. I'm doing my part. What have you done to create drama on twitter today?

PS buy premium+ twitter blue it's the only way to fly

PPS: If you have a Twitter account please DM me at @reasonpete so we can add you to the group chat.

We're building a group chat so we can coordinate brigading r-slurs on Twitter. Remember rDrama IS your personal army.

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  • T_T : not an effortpost

So given the obsession this site has with tranners, I don't think I have to explain who ContraPoints is. In short, she's a lefty content creator and makes video essays about stuff. What may be less known is that she also like to tweet absolute bangers and delete them shortly after. Here is an account tracking these posts, most of them are edgy jokes or ones at the expense of online trans culture. But today, she dropped this:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711459982657569.webp :marseyt#honk:

Now first things first, the premise of the post relies on the meme/common occurance that a significant amount of the men intereted in trans women are secretly trans themselves, the attraction being based on living vicariously through the trans woman:

:mar#seyyes: https://i.rdrama.net/images/17114599827564626.webp

But that's not why Contra's tweet is spicy, it's about the later part, the vagueposting about another creator seemingly copying her entire YouTube career. People were quick to notice that this sounds a lot like it would fit perfectly into an ancient /lgbt/ schizo conspiracy about her and PhilosophyTube. PT or "toob", as they are commonly called on /lgbt/, is another trans creator making video essays with similar style and topics to ContraPoints. This combined with various hints ranging from the curious to the utterly deranged, the infamous "toob is a skinwalker obsessed with contra and also probably r*ped her" theory was born:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17114599829787247.webp :marseysc#hizowall:

And then we were off to the races :marseyletsfuckinggo2:

wake up babe the most deleted contrapoints tweet of all fricking time just dropped

:marseyexcitedgif:

what did contrapoints mean by this

:marseyhmm:

did contrapoints just confirm the philosophytube 4chan conspiracy theory??

WE'RE CONNECTING THE DOTS :marseynoooticer:

Even the chuds are getting in on it, here's the old fart Sargon of Akkad with a whole butt thread. :chudjakdancing:

Real and based:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17114599836704874.webp

Here is the as of right now still active, 300+ post /lgbt/ thread about it. Much jubilations about another seemingly confirmed schizo theory. Some select posts and images:

The contrapoints subreddit removed the post about this, nuked the comments, and restricted submissions.

Contrapoints is almost certainly being bulled behind the scenes to back down because "what if you hurt trans people in Britain!"

Frick that. Philosophy tube is fricking garbage. Her videos all fricking suck, she's clearly at least 30 IQ points below Contra, and she does the bare fricking minimum amount of research for her shitty fricking videos.

>THE TOOB INTERNET DEFENSE FORCE IS REAL :marseytinfoil2:

Vindication:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17114599838562763.webp

im not seeing how this means contra was r*ped? i think it just means they were together and toob did a chaser to :marseytrain: moment? you people make up dots to connect out of the smallest shit

Look at this buzzkill, smh. :marseyindignant:

I am not contrapoints. I am a Contrapoints fan.

Contrapoints clearly actually understands the material she engages with. She is able to see viewpoints that are very different from her own and empathize with them, even if she winds up strongly condemning them in the end. While she has had some bad moments (like, girl, if the audio of your masked character sucks that hard, fricking over-dub it in post! frick!) but her videos generally demonstrate that she's actually a serious person. Even the funny costumes ultimately have some aesthetic points, IE, she's dressed in that ridiculous outfit in the "Men" video to really emphasize the "I'm literally a fricking woman!" point, which is ultimately the thesis of the video.

More than that, her videos have a fricking point. Almost all of them have some insight or idea that you could apply to your daily life.

PhilTube, on the other hand, is so fricking awful I cannot stand it. She made a video on AI that literally ended with "there is no ethical computation under capitalism." That's it! Just upend the entire fricking world economic system, that's the solution to the ethical issues of AI! That's the solution to everything, actually! Look at the pretty outfits! Look at the pretty lights! Watch all five hundred fricking hours of this shit video with no content! Pretty lights! You liked when Contra did pretty lights, right? And the costumes! Ignore that the video sucks, you like the aesthetic, right?

AND BE SURE TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE PHILOSOPHY TUBE PATREON! SHE MAKES MORE THAN ALMOST EVERYBODY IN THE UK BUT SHE IS GOING TO GO ON A RENT STRIKE BECAUSE PAYING RENT IS UNFAIR! BE SURE TO GIVE HER YOUR FRICKING MONEY DESPITE HER FLOURISHING ACTING CAREER!

Frick that. Thank you for fricking posting this, Contrapoints. Frick Philtube, and frick anybody who says "BUTBUTBUT DON'T HURT OTHER TRANS CREATORS!!"

Frick that, she sucks! She stole from you! Frick her!

HOLY :marseylongpost:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17114599837348032.webp

Another hater, SAD! :marseysigh:

This is very recent drama, so look out for further developments. :marseyoperasmug:

Edit: As I was writing this, it appears toob has started blocking people talking about it:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17114604758763814.webp

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Screenshots and alt-links inside I baited a 33k follower account by telling her homos are going to put her in breeding camps

:marseyxd: :marseyxd: :marseyxd:

She deleted but here's some more threads

https://twitter.com/ReasonPete/status/1772966278606573961

https://twitter.com/ReasonPete/status/1772984617412202989

https://twitter.com/sjretar/status/1772973146804502641

This guy is totally not seething you guys

Screenshot of original post

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17115497047533789.webp

Right after this exchange is when she deleted and blocked me lmao

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711549953040037.webp

Total homo victory

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Seething that Biden is bad at golf or something

:chudtantru#m:

More crying

Even more crying

Darn thats a lot of seethe

Theyre so angry lmao

:chudturbosper#gout2:

Like bro are they mad

Literally every other thread

:chud#rage:

Scroll the thread yourself its an endless stream of seething

:marseydarkbr#andon: :darkb#idenblast: :marseybide#nrentfree:

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Some of these posts might be bait of course :marseybaitretard: since obviously some of us dramanauts are still unbanned on Reddit and running around in the old sub.

But I don't know some of these seem pretty real. Let's go see what the normie squatters have done with our former neurodivergent goonboy mansion :marseyneat:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/1bm7hq7/entitled_father/?sort=controversial

My father has MANY kids with multiple women (which is rich coming from a man that calls women whres and slts). He never married and none of his children has his last name. He's just realizing this and is begging all of us to change our last name to his so we can โ€œpass downโ€ HIS last name. First off, I'm a woman who might get married one day and take my husband's name so that wouldn't even make sense to go through all this trouble and money to change it just to change it to a new last name especially as an adult. Second, he never raised me. Why would I change MY last name just so he can have his name passed down? Apparently the sons didn't want to do it either. Who can blame them. He should have thought about it before getting multiple women pregnant and leaving them without even child supportโ€ฆ

โ€ฆ I really just don't understand what's wrong with him. I'm just tired of it.

Choice replies:

tell him to show some bussy and be gone


What's your Dads contact info?

I've been needing my bussy bred for awhile now. He seems like the perfect candidate.


Ok not gonna lie that "my parents should have raised me better" was chefs kiss perfect! I admire you for your quick wit and humor

But we also have,

tell him to suck ur peepee. my mom is the same way, left for 7 years, comes back and assumes all is well. people shouldnt have access to semen.

By /u/ewsalemm who's been primarily posting in /r/cd_collectors, /r/teenagers, and /r/drugs. A real reply? In our subreddit? :marseyshook:

OP of the post /u/starrblacc is posting in /r/trueoffmychest and /r/askreddit and frequently mentions not having parents and growing up as a poor @Sphereserf3232 relative :marseycherokee:

My gpa dying in a four wheeler accident and my mom and gma ODing


My mom OD'd a year ago and I had a dream that she was alive and I didn't realize I was dreaming and that I thought that I somehow went back in time so I warned her not to take any meds bc she will die.


When I was in foster care, the woman made a 13 year old foster kid cook for us.


Mine is a cultural thing (Native American). I was raised by my grandparents and they were strict about my hair. I wasn't allowed to cut it. Only trim. When my mom cut it, it caused a fight between my mom and gma. To this day I have it long to my tailbone and only trim it. I started putting it up in a satin cap and scarf bc it gets in the way. Hair is our pride.

Are real people using our subreddit to post about their silly Reddit lives? :marseypearlclutch: OUR SUBREDDIT?!

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17114507424149742.webp

Let's go through a few more of these and look at the OP accounts that at least might be real

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711450832133357.webp


https://old.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/1bkjlg3/they_called_the_cops_on_me_after_i_left_a_review/?sort=controversial

So this one had a write up already but I didn't realize it came from our sub :marseyfortykeks:

I thought that was the joke for revitalizing the sub. I had to check a few profiles to see that it is not a joke. I'm guessing zoomers are looking up "drama" and reddit and finding this sub somehow.

If only they sorted by top, all time and see what it really was,

Zoomers don't know their history :marseyzoomer:

I would file a complaint with the police department because this is not something they should have gotten involved in. Just keep posting everything they do on social media. Let them destroy themselves


Girl just hire a personal injury attorney and sue them for damages, and harassment/intimidation by engaging actual law enforcement to become The Hair Police to intimidate you into removing your posts.


I read through both posts. I've never gotten hair extensions and really don't know anything about them - but holy heck, even I can tell it shouldn't look like that!

Why did they call the cops on you, though? I'm very confused about why they are wasting police resources on a civil dispute. Is there something more to it that I missed?

If these are normal comments then how do these normies find our sub anyway? Is it just because we have such a classic name?

/u/Hot_Door7211 has been posting about this for awhile too. Dramatards don't usually (:marseypenny:) have that kind of patience for larping


https://old.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/1bi5u2f/life_event/?sort=controversial

Okay so I'll start from the beginning I'm female (18), My best friend at the time let's just call her Nicole (17) at that time I recently had a break up so I decided tinder would be a good try and soon found a male 22 let's call him Cam.He would often come get me to go back to his house a sneaky link type of thingโ€ฆ

โ€ฆ I completely cut off communication blocked Nicole on everything.Then a few months later I'm with my boyfriend and Nicole decided she wants to get her friends I don't even know to call me and text me.Saying things such as calling me a hoe,fat,r-slurred saying when she see me she will beat my butt.Keep in mind in 3 months I'll be 19 and she will be a minor still.Nicole says if I do fight her she won't press charges but I know that's a lie.So how am I the butthole in this situation.

This one seems foid coded and the youngins are about that r-slurred :marseyhmm: The account has only made this post


https://old.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/1bg010w/my_23_yo_sister_keeps_stealing_my_sht_and_thinks/?sort=controversial

So. I am thirteen. A female who generally enjoys kpop and music. My sister (let's call her Yuna) is going on twenty-three who also typically enjoys kpop and others. Im pretty sure she has selective speaking. She's a highschool dropout. She has diabetes and she'd been diagnosed with autism recently and i know i cant hate her for itโ€”but it is infuriating. (P.S, we are an Asian-American household)โ€ฆ

โ€ฆ In summary, my sister is living carelessly, worklessly, rent free in my parents' house with the chore of doing nothing but eating the house out of food, stealing everyone's sh!t, not sharing anything with my elderly grandma, and only going out with me and my family for food. Only labor she's doing is taking out the weekly trash. She gets the biggest room in the house, tooโ€”WITH a walk-in closet.

Please give me some advice ๐Ÿ˜ญ๐Ÿ™ (Yes, i used a kpop idol's name to replace my sisters even though i absolutely LOVE itzy Yuna.)

Some of us are calling bait

Changbin's, hyunjin's, felix's, and seungmin's are the most adorable to me. Jeongin's has an earthy(?) vibe for whatever reason or whatever that even means. Chan legitimately surrendered and i absolutely RESPECT. Jisung fits so cutely it's actually nauseating. Maybe im biased. idk. But something about (hana)_doolsetnet IS SO CUTEEE. lino's is actually pretty random idk where he got that from ๐Ÿ’€


literally all of the freeze and fight or escape album. PLUS NO RULES AND GBGB


P1H NEVER disappoints in live singing.

But this seems to be a real K-pop brain :marseybrain:


https://old.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/1beqsvi/lol_office_drama_caught_my_very_religious_uncle/?sort=controversial

Hi guys, don't know where to talk about this. But I work with my family members at this third party trading company. I've been working here for 2 years , and since day 1 I've been very suspicious about my uncle. He's always going to this particular secretary in my office. She's like 34 and he's already 50. Worst part is that he's the boss of my building where I work at. If I'm not mistaken, it is against company policy to most companies for management to have something with a regular employee especially if you work under them. Everyday he visits her desk about 7-8 times during the entire 10 hour shift. He brings her food, always gives her snacks. For some reason they always tend to bump into each other at the break room or the hallways. It would be very coincidental. There would be times that I would be in the break room when she's there. He would randomly come in and always chit chats with her. When my other manager is absent and not in her office room , they tend to hide there but obviously leave the door open. My uncle has 3 kids, owns his home and has a great wife. This woman has been divorced and is known in my job for pretty much screwing everyone. Everytime I pass by them, she's always caressing his chest , back or arm. I had reported all this to my boss but she keeps saying that she knows my uncle , that she knows my uncle loves his wife deeply. I said yeah sure deep enough that he's constantly wanting to touch another woman's hand right in front of a person who has close ties with the family. The girl basically does nothing at the office, it's mostly me and 3 other girls doing her Job. The secretary ends up getting a promotion as supervisor. My uncle and my boss are basically the decision makers . So I had told my boss if this continues I will report this to HR and directly to his wife. I also said I am also convinced that her promotion was rigged because of a certain influence. I need advice on what to do. Though I had this talk with my boss, they continue doing the same thing.

OP /u/DeliriousMofo has also been commenting "hmu" a lot on /r/bigboobsgw :coomerface:


https://old.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/1bb53mf/idk_what_to_do/?sort=controversial

my boyfriend of 6 months (25m) and i (19f) caught him cheating if thats what you would call it im not sure but he was streaming on twitch a couple of nights ago with one of his girl friends playing league of legends and he got a message from our dealer and called me to see if i would be interested etc etc when we ended the phone call i said i love you and he said yeah love ya and the call ended i went and joined his stream and heard the girl say โ€œaw thats cuteโ€ he said its not like that and hes just a people pleaser and she agreed that she was the same she liled to help each other out ive got video proof of it because i had a friend screen record it and send it to me that was in the chat aswell i messaged him asking what he meant by that and he said โ€œugh nothing goodnightโ€ today i went to go see him and confront him about it and told him i have the proof and he said no i thought she said druggie when she actually laughed about him saying its not like that thats why he apparently said im just a people pleaserโ€ฆ i dont know if you would classify this as cheating but all my friends agreed with me and said he was 100% flirting any advice on what i should do to not feel sad about this or what this is?

OP /u/Far-Cat7261 has posted this same thing in /r/help, /r/helpme, /r/helpmecope, and /r/cheatersconfronted

Choice comment,

This makes no fricking sense. You should upper decker him anyway just to be safe tho


https://old.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/1ba2mz8/drama_in_a_small_town/?sort=controversial

Be patient with me here, I sure lack a talent in storytelling. This happened about 4 years ago and now that my mom is no longer at her current job I feel I can post about this incident. To give you some of a background, I live in a somewhat small town. My family has lived here for years. It is one of those towns where growing up I had to be on my best behavior because everyone knows everyone. One time I was picked up by some friends who were egging before picking me up and by the time I got home my mom had already had 3 phone calls from people telling on me that I was in the car that was egging. Everyone knows everyone and everyone is related to everyone. My grandma was very involved in the community and everyone calls her grandma. My mom is also very involved in the community and I swear she knows everyone. She also was on the school board and President at the time of the event that I am about to shareโ€ฆ

โ€ฆ Talk about small town drama. This mayor is still the current mayor. Constantly, we see her breaking rules and she continues to create conflicts of interest for herself. Were we the buttholes in this situation? Should we just forget it and move on? Do we have the right to be mad still?

OP /u/lsha052513 has posted this same story in /r/smalltownstories, /r/AITAH, and /r/entitledpeople. Has otherwise been a Redditor for eight years and posts a lot in /r/LittlePeopleBigWorld

Choice comment,

Your mind is diseased. Pick a dandelion and hold it in your mouth until you feel the urge to urinate. Then, swallow the dandelion and urinate on the spot from which it was picked.


https://old.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/1b0qjsm/how_can_we_reduce_backstage_drama_in_musicals/?sort=controversial

I'm currently involved in a musical production, and we've been facing some backstage drama that's been causing tensions among the cast and crew. It all started with a simple comment that got twisted into rumors and escalated into unnecessary conflict. I believe that clear communication and strategies for conflict resolution are crucial in preventing such situations.

I'm reaching out to you all for advice and tips: Have you been in a similar situation in a musical or theatrical production? How did you and your team handle backstage drama effectively? Do you have any strategies or best practices to share that can help reduce conflicts and promote a positive environment backstage?

I'm looking for insights, personal experiences, or any advice you may have on fostering a harmonious and drama-free environment behind the scenes of a production.

Your input and suggestions are greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance for sharing your thoughts and helping our musical production run smoothly and harmoniously.

OP /u/JediWilliam has been a Redditor for four years and posts in /r/neurodivergentadults.

Choice comment thread,

OP: Just to clarify, when you use the word orgy, are you being humorous or does it mean something else that what I think it does?


Just an FYI you are in the wrong sub for this kind of advice/ question


OP: What's sub should I be in?


You're in the right place for orgy content. Bussy, am I right?


https://old.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/1ay7vtm/aitah_for_refusing_to_give_my_friend_my_best/?sort=controversial

My best friend recently broke up with his 5-month girlfriend (let's call her X) cause he found out she was cheating. Recently his ex's best friend contacted him accusing him of cheating on X from the beginning and she claimed that her best friend never cheated on him. Looking at this I got pissed and told him to block her cause what's over is over and there is no use in flipping the pages. He refused and told me that he wanted to prove his innocence and also wanted to prove her disloyalty...

... He called me an AH and stopped talking to me.

AITAH??

OP deleted the account. Choice comments,

AITA Posting on the drama sub...it's so over.

We were still reeling from the shock of colonization a month ago

nta hes not entitled to that information and honestly sounds like obsessive behavior

Normal comment? :marseyclueless:

INFO - Does your best friend have a breedable boykitty?

OP chose to respond to this one :marseythonk:


https://old.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/1b8fhfi/college_roommate_drama/?sort=controversial

I am a freshman in college, trying to figure out my roommate situation. I will use fake names to keep it confidential. I have a verbal agreement to room with Bob and Joe. After we made the verbal agreement, Joe started to act differently, especially after he got his girlfriend Mary. Bob and I have decided that rooming with Joe is going to cause a big headache throughout the year, because Joe and Mary have problems all the time. The plot thickens due to my girlfriend being Mary's roommate next year, so I feel like I will screw everything up if I tell Joe that I don't wanna room with him anymore. What should I do? Joe also has bad hygiene. It would be fine if Joe had his own room, but we do not want to get screwed over in a triple room, because Joe has Mary sleep over ALL THE TIME.

OP /u/drewevansss has been a Redditor for four years and posted this same story in /advice and /college. Otherwise posts in /r/askreddit and /r/oldschoolcool.

Choice comments,

They fear your powers - that's why Joe โ€œsmellsโ€; he is giving out anxiety/stress pheromones.

Just play it cool for now and write every interaction and observation in a notebook. Add runes for extra effect. Give it to them after you all graduate.

They will read the words and fondly remember the good times โ€” or they may launch an attack.

In the event of the latter, you are free to use your powers wisely. Just make sure that Mary stays besties with your girlfriend to avoid this.

Alternatively, get some febreeze and spritz it on Joe.

To which OP replies,

Should I tell Joe that Bob and I don't wanna room with you anymore? :clueless:


Going back it seems like the sub was partially reborn a month back when text posts started showing up again. Initially we were the ones making posts again like with Lapp's Taco Bell Insider Information and a Lawlz post but it also didn't take long at all for what might have been the first normal post to appear.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/1arik9j/whats_this_guys_problem/?sort=controversial

So there's a dude at work who I would run into every now and then and we'd always say โ€œwhat's upโ€ and give a fist bump. We also go to the same gym and we'd happen to see each other there as well. As of several months ago he started dating a girl who works with us and ever since he started dating her, he seems to have gotten colder and saltier towards me. Almost as if he thinks I'm after his girl or something. I had the same scenario happen with one of my friends but we settled it and I made it clear I wasn't trying to steal his girlfriend (they broke up a few months later lol). Now whenever we cross paths or run into each other, all I get is a mean mug and a stare. Like, why are people so insecure? Is it something to do with me? I hate when this happens but it seems to happen every so often.

OP /u/Visible_Ad_2990 has been a Redditor for three years and posts in places like /r/veteransaffairs, /r/invisalign, and /r/phenotypes. Did this man start rDrama's second life as a normie sub? Otherwise it might have been this post but it's a little r-slurred

Choice comment,

Dating a foid made him realize he actually likes bussy, and he is only mean to you cause he has a crush on you.

OP responded to the normal seeming comment

Do you have contact with either of these significant others? Maybe friendly interactions were misinterpreted as desire and ticked off the boyfriends?

OR

are you good looking? Maybe they are insecure with having you around if their girlfriend mentioned you being handsome.


OP: I haven't said a word to his girl minus work-related small talk that lasted no longer than 5 minutes.


That could be it. Some guys get weird and territorial even if their relationship is completely unthreatened if someone is around they deem a threat.


OP: Makes sense. Makes it even worse when it's in the workplace.


Anyway maybe I've fallen entirely for bait and/or maybe I'm a little :marseyslowpoke: here but I just wanted to do a thread for anyone who wasn't aware our once thriving Minoan subreddit has been taken over by disgusting Grecian normies. :marseymedusa: They're like pioneer species arriving at a newly born volcanic island, or in this case more like hardy roaches returning to the site of a nuclear test :marseynukegoggles:

It'd be funny if the subreddit took off again as a normie drama sub only for the admiggers to see the uptick in traffic and reflexively hit the ban button :marseyban:

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Why :marseyconfused2: is there a height :marseylongsurfing: filter but no weight filter :marseychonkerfoid: on dating apps :marseyappicon:?

Because weight doesn't define health.

:#soyreddittalking:


A weight preference is not wrong. But there is a faction that is very LOUD that are trying to convince everyone that a weight preference is wrong. Those people need to shut the heck up.

You aren't a BBW. You are obese.

This causes a :marseysneed: storm.


Lots of healthy women's weight can vary by 20 lbs depending on the time of day and where she is in her cycle. Mine always has, and that is one reason I had to stop weighing myself everyday and just stick to weighing myself at the same point in my cycle at the same time of day in order to have a better idea for if I was gaining or losing weight or maintaining. So you could end up with situations where men claimed a woman lied about her weight when she really didn't.

Not only that, but lots of women just wouldn't put their weight into a dating app, so it would be a bit self defeating.

Sorry that chubby ladies offend you so much.

:#marseychonkerfoidpuketalking:


A weight filter would serve no purpose. People carry weight differently. A body shape filter would make more sense.

Edit: A lot of people could easily just lie, too.

:#marseyseethetalking:


Hypocrisy my guy

:#soyjakanimeglassestalking:


others have answered your main question but I just want to point out how problematic it is to think those who are bigger aren't healthy or health-conscious, or that someone being skinny automatically means they are either

:#marseyradfemtalking:

Being overweight 100% correlates with worse health, that's not "problematic" it's just the truth

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"There is nothing wrong :marseyhyperthonk: with being a "passport bro" if you live in a western :marseycowboy: country." 23 upvotes 125 comments in less than 2 hours.

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The entire thread :marseystitch: is filled with angry :marseylaptoppizzashill: people. If you have a reddit :marseysnoohug: account it's basically open season.

They call you nasty :marseywall: shit cause you sound :marseyhearnoevil: gross.

We need to be less judgemental :marseywouldnt: in general, I think. All of us. We need to learn :marseyreading: to accept :marseyokay: one another.

I'm definitely going :marseysal2: to judge :marseyaisha: a person :marseywall: like OP. They're disgusting.

So much anger :marseyrage: just because a jacked dude like myself :marseycyanide: doesn't want to date fatties smdh.

It's not hard to find a fit girl. The problem is finding one that can tolerate the obnoxious concept of calling yourself :marseycyanide: a passport bro.

That rules :marseypeterson: out 90% of educated women :marseyblops2chadcel: right :marseyhesklennyyouknow: there.

When 70 plus percent :marseymutt: of the country :marseycatgirl5: is overweight or obese :marseyscooter: it objectively is. Open your eyes dude.

One user /u/rayarefferalpls appears to be a very angry :marseylaptopkrayon2: european :marseyangelamerkel: woman. She has commented all over the thread :marseystitch: about how eastern :marseyrussianmutt: euro women :marseyblops2chadcel: don't want western :marseycowboy: men.

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Well at least they claim to be an eastern :marseyrussianmutt: European :marseyangelamerkelwave: women. In reality it is probably @WeihnachtenSalvador on an alt.

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An angry :marseykilldozer: man puts words :marseylongpost2: in my mouth.

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They blame my personality when my personality is perfect :marseychefkiss: for some reason.

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Jannies. Please :marseyinshallah: pin this. I manifested this drama :marseydramabardfinn: from nothing using only my mind. I deserve the rewards of my hard work. The fruits of my labor.

!ghosts !verifiedhot

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Also !jannies where :marseydrama: is my effort :marseysisyphus: post point. I literally :marseyme: started this whole thread :marseystitch: and generated :marseyamber: all that seethe :marseycope: all on my own. Why am I not being rewarded for generating drama?

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EFFORTPOST The Decline of RoosterTeeth and RWBY โ€” Meta Effortpost Part 2 :soycrychicken: :marseysalem:

In this thread we'll discuss the start of RoosterTeeth and RWBY's decline. I don't have a lot of space left so refer to the first thread for a proper introduction.


RoosterTeeth's Decline :marseychartdowntrend:


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"Viewers really like the chemistry of these 5 people playing Halo, let's hire another 300 people and... umm..."

-- @AverageBen10Enjoyer

Regarding the fundamental reason why RoosterTeeth failed, there are millions of small mistakes that all fed into the major problem of expenses exceeding profits. Even though RT grew more prominent by the year going into 2014, when WB announced the closure earlier this month they cited RT not being profitable for ten years as a major reason. RoosterTeeth grew too fast and ended up having to hope their endeavors would pay out down the line. Meanwhile the company's payroll grew from a handful of creators into scores of influencers, production crew, writers, animators, management, HR, accounting (at least I'm assuming they had accountants :marseybuxgenocide:)

RWBY is especially notable in this lesson on growing expenses because while it did become popular, production costs also grew from indie to part of the problem. RWBY Volume 1 was Monty's passion project, voiced by amateurs and made in the same software Monty used for his fanfic YouTube videos. As the show went on the animation was upgraded, professional voice actors were hired...

In contrast RWBY Volume 9 cost roughly 6.6 million dollars to produce. RT apparently needed Crunchyroll's help to fund it at all. (More on that later) As big as it was it's entirely possible RWBY stopped being profitable after a while or maybe was never even profitable. And if RWBY was like that, there's no chance RT's other post-RWBY concepts made them money over time.

And so RT grew too fast and potential turned into bloat. Along the way there were also plenty of rDrama appropriate scandals and the particular problem of RT losing its original fans and failing to replace them with zoomers.

Business Strategy

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They decided to turn themselves into a full on production company that dipped their toes into everything. Movies, games, dramatic series, podcasts, various comedic shows etc. Vast majority of them bombed.

-- @Squibbly

In 2014 going into 2016 RoosterTeeth seemed like a rising star, unparalleled success story for nerdom. :chadsoyjak: Their Halo machinima series had evolved into a popular DVD and merch selling fullblown production complete with cgi. Their web show RWBY built more and more hype with every new season and proved itself popular in Japan too, with RT even cutting a deal with a real company like Warner Bros Japan to distribute the dub. RTX was popular and other bigdick companies were using it for promotions like demos for then upcoming games Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag, Halo: The Master Chief Collection, and Rainbow Six Siege. It would soon spread internationally to Australia :cunt: and Britain :marseyromantorchwick: too. RT succesfully crownfunded the full length movie Lazer Team. The Funhaus division opened in Los Angeles to take the company beyond the Lone Star State. :marseybeach: RoosterTeeth's growth in just a few short years was inspiring, so inspiring that it led to an entirely new business philosophy -- one of growth at any cost :marseyaborted:

Burnie Burns: Now we're not competing with the PewDiePies and the Homestar Runners of the world. Now we're competing with Netflix and HBO and Amazon. And we're more than ready for that challenge.

Burnie Burns :marseychonker2: and Joel Heyman :marseymagahat: in particular were big on growing and making RoosterTeeth into an anything they could get away with company. To facilitate this RT was bought out by Fullscreen, LLC. This was an entertainment company offering services and consultation to social media influencers. Their other clients included NBCUniversal, Fox, Fremantle, JASH, Fine Brothers Entertainment, Mattel, and WIGS. ScrewAttack had also been aquired by them, and a few corporate mergers later so was Machinima Inc.

Also in 2014 Otter Media and the Chernin Group aquired a controlling stake so Fullscreen itself ultimately came under AT&T. Flashing forward to '19 and AT&T started shopping around to try and sell RoosterTeeth and other brands. In the end RT was still there for the corporate merger that formed Warner Bros Discovery. This is what allowed RT content to start crossing over with DC Comics.

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If it feels like RoosterTeeth became a bloated and generic social media company, that's because they were purchased by corporate people who were that way that also offered big bucks to the RT founders who wanted to be that way. With the Fullscreen merger many of the relevant people assured fans RT wouldn't change, but the following years speak for themselves. Upper leadership started to be appointed by the owners starting at least with Fullscreen President and former COO Ezra Cooperstein becoming President of Rooster Teeth in '18 and Jordan Levin becoming general manager after the major layoff in '19. Also that year many of the original founders stepped down into creative roles: Matt Hullum stepped down as CEO and became Chief Content Officer, Burnie Burns stepped down as chief creative officer to executive producer and Geoff Ramsey became executive creative director. Ironically the two business minded founders left around this time, Joel was more or less dismissed from the company that year and Burnie left in '20. :carpneckbeardgenocide:

It's not surprising that RoosterTeeth's mediocrity set in with the late '10s. Every generic policy you see out of media and social media slop servers these days, RT soon became guilty of. Milking franchises dry? :marseystarwars: The RWBY franchise expansion mentioned in this thread and the previous speak for themselves. Obsession with teen influencers and feel good diversity whatnot? :carpafroparty: In '21 RT announced the creation of the Rooster Teeth Digital Creators Program, which is intended to support "underrepresented" talent. Throwing money around to see what'll stick? :marseydisney: Lazer Team 2 and Gen:LOCK got made. Trying to sponsor as much content as possible for the sake of having content? :marseyamazon: In '18, Rooster Teeth piloted five shows named Branded, Gorq's Quest, Achievement Haunter, Million Dollars, But ... Animated, and Rooster Teeth's Murder Room, and also announced Spikeface, a new 2D/dark comedy show to be coproduced with Rob McElhenney and his RCG Productions. Unnecessary premium service? :marseygold: RT relied more and more on their First program to try and drive dollars and views to their website, for example making RWBY episodes premier up to a month earlier for First members while also removing the vast majority of RWBY and RvB content from YouTube. On the other end of this you also have schizophrenic attempts to strike money-making deals with other services, i.e. partnering more and more with Crunchyroll even at the expense of those same First members.

Heck, they even went with the all to common generic minimalism for the new logo. :marseyminimalism:

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In the end the corporate mergers are what made RT's dissolution possible since Warner Bros simply decided to close the company and see about selling off the relevant creative assets.

Controversies :soycry:

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RoosterTeeth didn't necessarily fail because of any single major incident, but the problems they did have contributed to their bleeding out over time. There's a recurring theme of old fans disappearing and new fans not sticking around. Plus it's fun to point and laugh :marseylaughpoundfist:

Disappearing Founders

Neurodivergent basement dwellers pretending to be the moral authority

both sides end up devoured by their own hubris

you love to see it :marseycheers:

-- @Christine

If 2015 was RT's golden year, it's fitting that '16 was the start of their decline. One of the earlier major controversies to really hit the company was the effective unpersoning of Joel Heyman, one of the company's original founders and the voice for RvB fan favorite character Caboose.

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Aside from being a major part of RoosterTeeth's first big show, Joel apparently did a lot of early business deals for the company back when it was really just a group trying to be a company. Unfortunately Joel was heckin rightoid in Austin, TX :marseypearlclutch2: so things broke down between him and the others as the Trump years went on.

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As the 10's went by RT's fanbase evolved from Halo dudebros into :soyjakdancing: types, partially because a few of the former changed into the latter and partially because RT went out of its way to court them. Trump derangement syndrome took hold hard with the rest of the team :marseymagarentfree: and this new community wasn't having it either. Even years later bringing up Joel's name in the main subreddit led to misremembered claims about disputes with and mistreatment of other employees.

Joel became quieter until finally departing the company in '19. RT stopped mentioning him in content and everyone in places like Reddit likes to pretend he was never involved. There was never even a larger controversy to cause this lmao he simply committed the crime of being a Republican :marseysoycrytremble: and was turned on by the same people otherwise quoting Caboose lines :marseythomas:

Borrowing a comment from BoomhauerInTheWind RT also lost other originals over time. Most weren't necessarily in trouble but their departures still contributed to the company's decline. Most longtime fans didn't appreciate their replacements as much, and while RoosterTeeth tried to get new fans over the years, we'll see how that turned out for them below :marseygiggle:

S*x Pests

how do you make a rooster teeth drama thread without mentioning adam kovic :marseycoomer2:

โ€” @Tim_Allen

In October 2020, Achievement Hunter's Ryan Haywood and Funhaus co-founder Adam Kovic were both involved in scandals involving their leaked nudes. Adam Kovic was previously part of Machinima Inc's Inside Gaming before leaving in 2015 to form RT's Funhaus division in Los Angeles. Ryan Haywood did a lot of production and acting work for RT and was best known for being part of Achievement Hunter and entertainment-news division The Know.

I've heard different versions of exactly what happened with both of them, but my understanding is as follows. Both were catfished because they tried to engage in erotic roleplay :marseypuke: with fans.

Furthermore Ryan Haywood :marseysperm: was fricking fans at conventions and apparently one of them was 17. Also he was married. :marseyteehee: Also many of these girls thought they were the only one and didn't like that he had multiple sidepieces. Accusations of groomercord grooming started flying and many people got it in their mind that he was effectively a male feminist. Others maintain he was just a regular Z-list celebrity sexpest. In any case his reputation was shot.

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Meanwhile Adam Kovic was apparently just a :marseycoomer: He took nude selfies involving things like riding a dildo and deadlifting anal shots and the Funhaus office bathroom. As RT became increasingly HR-esque this was blown into a major scandal especially since it came out alongside Ryan's drama. Coworker Lawrence Sontag made statements about how Adam was gross and never washed his hands. :marseypearlclutch: All this mutated into claims that he'd done coomer stuff including literal cooming all over the office and that he'd harassed female coworkers like Elyse Willems. The RoosterTeeth subreddit even years later circulated a lot of these claims and he's often accused of being a male feminist much like Ryan.

RT amputated them to survive. Ryan obviously stopped working with the company and Adam's Funhaus content was removed. Alas this content was some of Funhaus' best in the eyes of longtime fans. Meanwhile a :marseytrain2: named Charlotte was hired and for better or worse became a new face for Funhaus. The Subreddit attracted trains and had frequent posts like "Charlotte made me realize I'm a train" to give an idea on the changing audience. Overall the scandal contributed heavily to RT's falling YouTube ratings.

Unless I'm forgetting someone Ryan and Adam represent RT's main s*x scandals, but the company has also had more minor incidents with partners and new hires and the like. One example of these indirect incidents is RT cutting ties with actor Vic Mignogna over sexual harassment accusations. (Famous for being Edward Elric in Fullmetal Alchemist. For RT he voiced :marseyqrowbranwen: in RWBY)

Diversity Hires

She played a huge role in Rooster Teeth's drawn-out implosion; she was unfunny, sucked at games (to the point that she constantly had to be reminded how to play), and had no charisma with the rest of the group, who sucked up to her in an attempt to gain Levar's favor. These factors caused the fanbase to bash her, and of course she played the race card and famously made Geoff cry on stream for being a filthy cumskin moid.

โ€” @AllFunAndGames

I'm sure there's a million billion examples of random :marseytransattentionseeker: and :blacksoyjak: in RT but the famous and dramatic example would be Mica Burton and her successor. Mica is none other than the daughter of LeVar Burton โ€” Geordi La Forge in Star Trek TNG :marseyredshirt: Mica joined RT in 2016 and was part of Achievement Hunter and The Know. She has nothing better to do than has been involved with other gaming content such as Overwatch League and multiple DnD events for Wizards of the Coast.

Mica ultimately wasn't popular and many fans complained about her. She would generally accuse them of racism in response. She picked beefs with the founders too and while I don't have a clip she at one point made Geoff Ramsey do the Brendan Fraser face meme by reminding him he's an overall mayo :blackwomanspeaking: Also she made her dad hate the company which is hilarious because they clearly kept her around to try and court his favor :marseypicard:

She was replaced by another sassy kween named Ky who was also loud (quite literally louder than average) and prone to racial grifting. She famously stated that RT's OG days weren't actually good because of a lack of diversity. This sent the few remaining chuds into a kerfuffle.

The War on Chuds

The "this isn't an airport, no need to announce your departure" tweet and then Loud is What We Do nonsense drove me away.

โ€” @AverageBen10Enjoyer

Related to the above, Ky and Achievement Hunter were part of some sort of chud trap for reasons incomprehensible to people with normal business educations.

Many RT fans disliked Ky for being much louder than other hosts. One Redditor made a post about this where he politely and objectively made a point about the audio.

RT responded by trying to make this a race issue. Ky went on Twitter and made complaints along the following lines,

everyone yells, but we [black women] get the shit

I BABY - I GET SCARED - I SCREAM

I'm working on my gain lvls but if you think that's gonna make me, any less loud & expressive?

And it wasn't just Ky at work here because it didn't take long for RT to come up with "Loud is what we doโ€ merchandise. As if the whole thing was some elaborate setup for organic marketing or guerrilla marketing or whatever the r-slurs who didn't get real degrees call it these days :marseyschizowall:

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Do you think this merchandise sold well? Do you think this endeavor solved Achievement Hunter's ratings problem? I'll let you infer for yourselves :marseysmug:

Work Culture

It's like the people who 20 years ago would bust their asses as starving artists trying to make it in Hollywood or Broadway, except really pathetic and not respectable in any way.

โ€” @Redactor0

Every once in awhile RoosterTeeth would get in trouble for its "crunch culture" and management practices. In true Texas fashion the company was always criticized for being a gold ol' boy club regarding the original founders and whether they knew you or not. RT was created by cliquish nerds so I'd believe it :marseytexan:

In June 2019, dozens of anonymous reviews from Glassdoor highlighted long and unpaid hours, poor management, and over-reliance on temporary employees. Gray Haddock, Rooster Teeth's Head of Animation, stepped down two days after the allegations.

Gray Haddock was notably the driving force behind Gen:Lock, another RT animated show like RWBY that I'll bring up again later. Gen:Lock and RWBY, due to coming out back to back, had a hellish production cycle where the animation department worked massive amounts of unpaid overtime. One source estimated that both GL and Volume 6 had about a third of their seasons made entirely for free thanks to not paying overtime. Apparently RT Animation hired tons of interns on 90 day temporary contracts, all unpaid, but with the promise of a full, paying job upon completion. But when March rolled around they were shown the door :marseytrollolol:

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Flash forward to 2022 and RT has another crunch scandal featuring crossovers from social justice weirdos :marseypopcorntime:

Coinciding with RoosterTeeth's overall bloat and corporate expenditures, 2022 saw massive layoffs including Achievement Hunter's Matt Bragg, who was apparently big with the neckbeards of the subreddit. The layoffs also notably included the entire events staff, a massive red flag in retrospect since RTX was always a big deal to the company. Matt's firing upset the community and weakened the hardcore RoosterTeeth stans enough for criticism to start slipping through.

One of the more dramatic agitators was Achievement Hunter's Kdin. If you want to know what kind of person this is, xir's furry avatar is the picture featured above. :marseythinkorino2:

Kdin complained about working crunch hours and only getting paid $40k even after 7 years. Xir also claimed RoosterTeeth was problematic :soysnooseethe:

Within a few weeks of working at Rooster Teeth I was given a nickname, that nickname was a slur. Every day I came into work I was called โ€œF_gg_tโ€ - but they could not use that name in content so when anyone was recording I was called โ€œFugzโ€ instead.

Apparently Fugz was a common in-joke for AH content but for years the fans never knew what it meant. Suddenly every RT employee who had ever said "fugz" was under fire :marseydarkxd:

Other people who chimed in include Funhaus member Alanah Pearce, who is both loved and hated by dramanauts for being the token booba foid :coomer: and Arryn Zech, the voice of RWBY character Blake Belladonna :capyblakebelladonna:

I personally have had my own issues with Rooster Teeth, from the second-hand effects of crunch through a partner to being threatened with recasting on RWBY if I didn't accept what they were willing to pay me.

She kind of downplays that her partner was Miles Luna, one of the original showrunners and not someone like a hapless intern :marseyjerkoffsmile:

Mica Burton also came back to complain about RT being racist again. Geordi Jr. claimed she'd once seen the n-word :marseydagothur2: randomly written on a whiteboard. Another employee clarified that what she saw was N_ggers โ€” a reference to a bit from a South Park episode :marseycanadian:

The situation deteriorated. RT released a statement that did nothing Subreddit users started looking for any reason to tear down RT some more like hating on Geoff for a "problematic like" There were plenty of complaints along the lines of the image below.

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Alas, the mob eventually turned against the initial hero of this story when they discovered Kdin had a naggers moment of xir own. This wasn't just a random floating n-word :marseydagothur: like with Mica either, but a whole rant apparently centered around The Cleveland Show of all things :marseyfamily:

The zoomers promptly turned against their would-be labor champion so this is a story where no one wins. Certainly not the poor, overworked sub jannies :marseyxd:

Overall the incident turned many of the woke zoom-zooms RT had been carefully cultivating against the company and by this point very few of the original fans were left.

Declining Ratings and a Changing Internet

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Oh no their Twitter is getting ZERO engagement. Looks like about an average of 300 likes per tweet, with 1 million followers :marseylaugh: That's so much worse than having actual controversy

โ€” @texthere

Despite its expensive investments in content and influencers, RT suffered a long decline in ratings as the โ€˜10s went on. The image above represents May 2022 YouTube views for Achievement Hunter, a staple of RT that had dozens of full time employees behind its production. They simply couldn't sustain a company on view counts this bad, especially considering this once popular channel had 3.7 million subscribers.

Part of RoosterTeeth's problem was the changing nature of YouTube. Despite Burnie's initial skepticism of having content off the company's own website, RT ultimately was very dependent on YouTube for their popularity. Most of the podcasts and meta gaming channels earned the majority of their views with YouTube and both RvB and RWBY got heavy exposure on YouTube. RoosterTeeth's own website was never popular enough to bring in consistent streams of new fans if all RT content had been exclusively hosted there.

YouTube became way more algorithmically driven. The site just shows me whatever it thinks I'll watch, regardless of what I tell it. I honestly don't think I've subscribed to a channel in years

โ€” @Pibbles

I've made the same observations of YouTube and it's evolution as many other dramanauts. Heck I wasn't sure if it was just a thing with my account or not until I heard similar stories from others.

YouTube has sorta done a 360 over the years. When it first started the majority of viral videos were coming from completely random people and even the famous ones hardly made a career out of their meme status. A lot of this was America's Funniest Home Videos esque content and not anything with production quality. Red vs Blue originally owed its popularity to this era.

As the years went by though YouTube became more obsessed with influencers and endless content mills. I remember some of them were so heavily favored that their videos would be force fed to you if ever you searched anything tangentially related to their genre, for example the same soyboy creators if you watched anything gaming. God forbid you sat through any of their videos because then half your suggestions would be for that same channel.

Unfortunately RoosterTeeth was getting on in years and YouTube wasn't really pushing them in particular. They seemed to prefer newer and cheaper influencers that really appealed to the youngins :carpzoomer: RT itself also chased this demographic but YouTube wasn't giving them any assistance.

But this has changed again at least in the past few years. With the brand growing larger and more saturated, modern YouTube seems more dependent on its algorithm than ever and is almost right back to showing people random videos again. Anecdotally it's not uncommon for the app and site to show me videos from 5, 8, even 12+ years ago and the comment sections for these will be filled with users with a similar experience. There also seems to be a kind of "hot" feature allowing newer videos that have achieved a few thousand views to get boosted to people's front pages. Imo this is YouTube's way of courting the youngest zoomers and Gen Alpha. Kids these days :marseyracistgrandpa: prefer short and sweet meme videos over long running content channels, to say nothing of YouTube shorts as a direct TikTok competitor.

Alas RoosterTeeth didn't benefit from this system either. :marseysmug6: If we could all consult the charts.

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We'll see that RoosterTeeth only gained subscribers in one of twenty-two months. Things haven't been much better for their specific brands.

These days all the longrunning channels still following their old formulas are seeing gradual declines in views and channel subscriptions matter less than ever. YouTube doesn't seem to even put videos from subscribed channels on your front page anymore. :marseyshrug: Longtime fans started to fall off year by year and younger viewers were less and less likely to ever stumble on content at all. Meanwhile the RoosterTeeth site remained gimmicky and under trafficked so the company had no real solution to YouTube's developing away from their tried and formerly true model.

When i was fully neurodivergent, i used to love drunk tank/ early rt podcast because i was a friendless loser

โ€” @Jimbo_B_Beterson

Over twenty years on since the start of noughties internet culture, it's become an inevitability that channels will lose old fans to time and shrink without constant growth. Even loyal channel subscribers will eventually grow up and move on from what entertained their younger selves. There are countless examples of old channels that still have millions of subscribers but end up with dismal contemporary view counts. RoosterTeeth's initial fandom of Xoomers and Millennials was never properly replaced with Zoomers and Alphags, and the company couldn't survive this inverted population pyramid.

RT did themselves no favors in mangling their attempts at a forced culture shift. Going into the content dark ages of Current Year :marseyglobohomo: and the dreaded Drumpf Reich :marseydarktrump: they started to lean towards social justice and overly dramatic grandstands they believed the kids would appreciate :zoomersoy: Following the corporate mergers it's probable RT ended up with the same kind of consultants that caused this trend with other media companies. You could also sorta blame RWBY since it was now their most popular show and a major recruiter for RT as a whole. When Monty died his animation fans started to lose interest. The scriptwriters-turned-total-showrunners gravitated more towards the peripheral tumblr/yuri-thumping demographic to make up ratings, and in a classic feedback loop these people soon represented the only real influx of new RT fans.

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their remaining fanbase is just weird culture war cat ladies whose high school boyfriends introduced them to rt in the first place.

source: i was the high school boyfriend

โ€” @BoomhauerInTheWind

As RoosterTeeth prosecuted this war on chuds, many of the Halo dudebros heckin chuds! :soysnooseethe: that formed the original fanbase began to lose interest in the company and were replaced by an endless stream of :marseytransflag2: slash :marseyneckbeard: pfp using Twitter types. Of course these types of people have a tendency to form circular firing squads and they regularly accused the company's mayo scrote leadership of not doing enough for x or for y-phobia. It didn't help that actual RT personalities like Kdin, Geordi Jr, and Ky were happy to hop on these bandwagons. When the aforementioned Glassdoor and labor scandals came out many of these moral grandstand types turned on the company, and so RT was left with no real core demographic anymore.

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Yet another long term problem for the company was the handling of their own website and their paypig service RoosterTeeth FIRST :marseymerchantsoy: RT's premium was their first way of making money back in 2003 and Burnie always believed in focusing on the website and this program. The eventual corporate overlords in AT&T and WB also supported expansions to the service as a way of making money back from RT. FIRST offered paying members access to content before being offered to the public, in addition to extra site features, exclusive videos and merchandise. An even higher-level tier called Double Gold included such perks as: a 10% discount on all Rooster Teeth items, first access to live event VIP passes and a box of merchandise carrying a value more than $60.

RT always had an awkward relationship with YouTube especially when it came to their shows. They flip-flopped on pulling Red vs Blue and RWBY episodes from YouTube at least three times, with the most recent and final time in โ€˜23. RT wanted fans to follow these shows to the site but not everyone made the transition. The website was infamous for terrible UI and crashes and many felt it made for a poor video player.

Freeloaders had always complained about the benefits and as RT began to disintegrate many FIRST users started to complain they weren't getting enough and that too much of the premium content only existed on a website few people wanted to use. One particular sore point was RWBY's season 9 getting a one year exclusivity deal with anime streaming service Crunchyroll. They paid RoosterTeeth money just to not watch the flagship show! :marseytrollcrazy:

FIRST got more expensive over time and at one point RT rug-pulled people that had previously been grandfathered in to lower pricing. Many people started unsubscribing over the years out of simple boredom when new shows failed to recapture RWBY's popularity, and the gradual cancellation of RWBY spin-off content coupled with the Volume 9 incident cost them those fans as well. People also cancelled in response to the regular controversies of RT's later years.

In the end their first and last means of keeping the lights on wasn't enough. Meanwhile the website remained so unpopular that paid services Crunchyroll and Amazon Prime had better viewing numbers for RWBY and RvB than the RoosterTeeth site itself.


RWBY Post Monty :carprustedknight:


https://i.rdrama.net/images/17112363397599537.webp

I liked the episodes where they hit people with big weapons and I didn't like the episodes where they talked

โ€” :carp:

So how was RWBY doing throughout all this? Despite Monty Oum's death in 2015 RoosterTeeth's breakout hit chugged along, growing both in scope and production value. The continuation of the series was greenlit year after year up until Volume 9 and its success at a multimedia franchise of their very own further inspired RoosterTeeth to launch other animated programs alongside RWBY spin-offs and crossovers.

However, the FNDM (four letters geddit? :marseysting:) never recovered from the tragic end of the Monty era. The show's writing received harsher criticism going forward and the fight scenes no longer carried the built in marketing of being Monty's fight scenes. A divide formed between those who hated the scriptwriters and those who were fine with RWBY's direction. The integrity of the property was also threatened by scandals revolving around RT's business practices as a whole.

Ultimately RWBY started to deteriorate alongside the rest of RoosterTeeth going into the end of the decade.

RWBY 2: The Search for More Money

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17112363382647061.webp

As mentioned in the first thread, RT wasn't shy about milking RWBY for all it was worth. The main show soon spawned a few supplemental animated shows like Chibi and World of Remnant alongside behind the scenes stuff like the FIRST exclusive show CRWBY (It sounds like crew-by geddit? :brookslaugh:) An official dub fueled a fanbase in Japan which ultimately led to several mangas and another animated show. The WB aquisition allowed for DC published comics and a Justice League crossover that also got animated. Several RWBY video games were produced and the main characters also featured in the fighting game Blazblue Cross Tag Battle. RWBY characters also cameo in the films Doctor Sleep and Ready Player One and in the video games Crusader's Quest, Puzzle of Empires, Knights Chronicle, SMITE, Paladins, and Black Rock Shooter FRAGMENT.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17112363399953158.webp

The :marseyjap: made spin-off RWBY: Ice Queendom deserves special mention since it got a lot of attention for being an actual anime. Ice Queendom was fairly successful and was given a chance by people who wouldn't watch the "PS2 Cutscene" regular show, but in a way it also highlighted the problems of mainline RWBY. People who praised the animation here still weren't fans of 3D and many felt it still couldn't help the series' script. Others felt that it was too short and sweet and would have preferred a condensed anime retelling of the whole series.

Despite its own popularity, Ice Queendom also galvanized existing criticisms of RWBY and made a lot of people feel the franchise needed to be in better hands. It may have honestly contributed to โ€” rather than help reverse โ€” the disdain for RoosterTeeth's animation department.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17101410027652662.webp

Fatherless Behavior :!marseyrubyrose: :!carpyangxiaolong: :marseytaiyangxiaolonggenocide:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17105898467872717.webp

The "divide" is due to groups with different preferences. Group 1: People who appreciate a good action scene (Monty's choreography was every bit as brilliant as the best of Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Donnie Yen, etc.) Group 2: those who just want to hop on a popular fandom with their friends or whatever (i.e., capeshit). The entire reason for RWBY's initial popularity is Monty, without Group 1, Group 2 couldn't exist. Hence the demise of RWBY was completely unavoidable, and every season after his death was purely made to milk Group 2.

โ€” @aydyn

Despite all this growth there was trouble on the CRWBY homefront. Monty's death forced a restructuring of how the show was made and led to a longstanding schism in the viewer base. RWBY has an infamously spergy and schizophrenic fandom with a tendency to complain about the stupidest things imaginable but for the most part you can zoom out and divide it into two camps. The Monty fans who believe the show lost its SOVL without him and the fans who don't mind scriptwriters Miles Luna and Kerry Shawcross and think the current show is fine or even better than it was. Many of the former are simple noughties action autists :marseyben10: while the latter are more of the :marseytransflag2: slash :marseyneckbeard: types.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17112369033407621.webp

Shane Newville was a RWBY animator who worked with Monty Oum going back to the RvB days and was sort of an apprentice of his. In 2016 he released a letter complaining about how the show was being handled after Monty's death. It makes sense he'd expect more creative freedoms since RWBY did start as a uniquely animator driven creation. The scriptwriters didn't take over fully until after Monty. Shane was dismissed from RT and a few others like animator Dillon Gu and producer and voice actress Kathleen Zuelch followed soon after. Many in the FNDM are bitter about this and dramatically accuse CRWBY (which is often shorthand for Miles and Kerry) of purging the Monty loyalists :marseydarkcomrade:

The show's fight scene animation from Volume 4 onward is a particular sore point for fans who believe it's just not SOVLFVL without Monty. Compare and contrast for yourselves between Volumes 1 and 9.

While the latter has better overall animation (I would hope so for 6 million) the emphasis on choreography isn't really there anymore.

It also shows how ridiculous RWBY's writing got over time. This is supposed to be the climactic final battle of Volume 9 and it's literally Team RWBY vsโ€ฆ a cat

:#capyblakebelladonna::#marseyrule4:

Another issue RWBY suffered from was the strain RoosterTeeth's animation department faced from having to work on both RWBY and the new shows that used it as a springboard. From โ€˜17 to โ€˜19 they worked on the time consuming and expensive show Gen:LOCK. Gray Haddock, the creative lead, was also in charge of the entire animation department so he freely seized resources from RWBY's development while still expecting animators to stay on schedule. This whole incident led to the โ€˜19 RT labor scandal and contributed to the company's growing expenses.

But before we focus on when RT's decline became terminal, I'll bring up a few more RWBY scandals because we all love laughing at nerds. :marseynouautism:

SHIT (four letters geddit :marseyawesomeface:) Nobody Cares About Enthusiasts

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17112819163677752.webp

I'm pretty sure RWBY turned my cousin into an AGP trans girl.

He was always a huge g*mer and got into Rooster Teeth through their Halo series. Then he started watching RWBY. Had a poster and everything on his wall. And now he is a she.

So yeah. Maybe this will happen to you?

โ€” @tejanx

As RWBY's reputation turned to poo so it was with the dwindling and increasingly entrenched FNDM. They notably separated into two distinct forms of autism, those who rapidly supported the show and those who learned to have fun hating on it. To this day most who really hate the show rather than just groan at it are former Monty era fans that fled from CRWBY's tyrannical reign :marseyjamesironwood: The hardcore fans also tend to be soys and the alphabet :marseyhomofascist: obsessed who decry the haters as chuds :chudspin: Meanwhile the haters are an odd coalition of chuds :chudboyclub: Dead Fantasy era action lovers :boomerportrait: and soys who would still be RWBY fans if the sub jannies hadn't once mopped their shipping memes :platydomjanny:

FNDM Civil War

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17112828638140013.webp

The "mainstream" RWBY fans these days, the CRWBY camp has long been taken over by tumblr type shut-ins and is filled with people like this. Supported in their fandom culture war by the showrunners themselves and the overwhelming power of the /r/RWBY jannies :marseybongojanny: they have resorted to increasingly esoteric purity spirals so as to establish proper RWBY fan praxis. They almost have their own language built off show references -- for example the furry creatures being stand ins for real life civil rights movements and "Adam Taurus fanboy" can be another term for chud :carpadamtaurus: They tend to post things like this,

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711283088302395.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17112830884024673.webp

Speaking for Reddit at least, /r/RWBY fell into a habit of banning anyone who didn't fit the narrative and in doing so created their own AfD :marseyzwei: coalition of rival fans. In spaces like /r/RWBYcritics they gather and lament on what went wrong and how it could be better. Some of these posters are just tumblr fans of a different persuasion. Others lean chuddy. Either way they're on the backfoot in the struggle for RWBY's SOVL and have largely resorted to shitposts.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17112831608480039.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711283160953713.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17112831610914803.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17112831612963574.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17112831614305003.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17114088428971288.webp

Bumblebee

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17112833228865695.webp

I won't get into the full breadth of RWBY shipping drama but the notable flashpoint would be "Bumblebee", the canon :marseyterfdomesticabuse: pairing between main characters Blake and Yang (cos they're black and yellow geddit? :marseywheeze:) Tumblr types :marseywitch2: and one-handed moid viewers :coomerface: think it's the greatest thing ever and that only a CHUD :marseywitchtriggered: would take issue. In response to chudpaganda talkpoints like "They had nothing in common" and "Didn't Blake have a boyfriend?" they will mobilize on all fronts and force the poor and overworked moderators to lock threads :pepejannie: Still liking the pairing between Blake and her original male love interest :marseysunwukong2: is the highest form of chuddery one can commit :marseywrongthonk:

Driven from the public space once more, critics of the pairing could only articulate their frustration through shitposts

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17112834733030584.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17112834734915402.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17112834736371229.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17114113743310914.webp

It was also this plot development that spawned homphobic Ruby https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711411520234734.webp

Volume 9 as a Crunchyroll Exclusive

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711411628433912.webp

From Volume 6 onwards CRWBY and RoosterTeeth's animation as a whole suffered from troubled productions. Gen:LOCK and Gray Haddock ate resources and interns until the higher-ups restructured the department. Shortly after, CRWBY had to combine Volume 8 and 9's production on a narrow timetable. RT alleges this was done for no particular reason whatsoever :marseyteehee: but it's probably because the RWBY animators also had to make the Justice League direct to home video crossover movie.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17114125562299883.webp

In the end Volume 9 was not only pushed back to '23, but ended up with a one year exclusivity deal with Crunchyroll. Even people paying for RT FIRST couldn't watch it :marseyjannyitsover: and the full season is only just now coming to RT's website in the year of its shutdown :marseygravedance:

Let's be honest, the founders are long gone or have no say at this point. The RT they built is gone. This is the corpse of RT and it'll be put out of its misery soon enough.

-- /r/RWBY

The dwindling FNDM didn't take well to this one. :marseydarkxd:

THIS MIGHT BE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU READ TODAY

We realize that many of you will assume that it is now โ€œokโ€ to pirate the show because it's on a big media platform and the IP is owned by a big media conglomerate. Let me be clear: PLEASE DON'T PIRATE THE SHOW. Pirating RWBY hurts us in so many ways and has a direct impact on the content and CRWBY.

I cannot stress this enough: RWBY lives and dies by how it is monetized by you, our fans.

Many folks assume that, given that RT is wholly owned by Warner Bros Discovery (WBD), that we have an endless pool of cash just laying around. You could not be further from the truth. While we are indeed owned by WBD and love being a part of the family, we typically tend to run RT as an independent business within the larger framework of the organization. Contrary to popular belief, we do not receive an annual bucket of money to fund the show.

If you care about the show and you want to see future seasons, spinoffs, etc, then please watch the show using legal means. The bigger splash we make on CR, the better the future is for RWBY. Please - don't be a jerk. Don't pirate our show.

Also the RT website had to beg people not to pirate it


And that's all I have space for. I really didn't expect this to be a series but the good news is there's more than enough content for Part 3 :marseylongpost:

Also be sure to check out Kang's review of the RWBY Justice League movie :marseykino:

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113743535447683.webp

Momo Momone (UTAUloid)

:#marseyconfused2:

Took me three reads to vaquely comprehend what this autist is saying.

TLDR: A groomercord for mulitiple personality havers kicked them because they thought they were faking.

The groomercord is called Novus Transfempire btw.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113743538948753.webp

Omg :marseyeyeroll: :marseyfacepalm:


Interesting thing I :marseynooticeglow: which probably won't be news to high IQ dramautists, almost everyone in this sub is trans, nonbinary or autist (or both).

I'm going to list every commenter in that thread from top to bottom to show you how crazy this is. :marseyprotestyes:

/u/ItzMinty_Leafx from the screenshot above

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113745948383393.webp :#marseyhmm:


/u/neurotoxin_69 - 18-year-old defect + possibly neurodivergent, please be patient or i will get scared

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw1mdnh/?context=8&sort=controversial

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113748432676904.webp :#!chudglassesglow:


/u/traitorcrow

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw46lny/?context=8&sort=controversial

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711375045731102.webp


/u/FictionalReality7654

https://i.rdrama.net/images/171137518812048.webp


/u/WillAndTheGang

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw1i701/?context=8&sort=controversial

This one took a minute, but I found it :marseywholesome:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113755964544673.webp


/u/PSSGal

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw5yscp/?context=8&sort=controversial

Active in a number of trans subs

https://old.reddit.com/r/transgendercirclejerk/comments/1bk1cq6/kids_cant_choose_their_gender/

https://old.reddit.com/r/genderfluid_irl/comments/1936tks/genderfluid_irl/?sort=controversial

https://old.reddit.com/r/ennnnnnnnnnnnbbbbbby/comments/15rg03w/ah_yes_the_4_genders/?sort=controversial


/u/axiomzwrath

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw241n9/?context=8&sort=controversial

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113759128742507.webp


/u/supernony

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw2l7gr/?context=8&sort=controversial

Again, I thought we had the first one that isn't trans or autist. Nope

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113761385731776.webp


/u/TorturedManiac01

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw2u5g2/?context=8&sort=controversial

Finally :marseyexcited: I don't see trans or autism, but they have ADHD

https://old.reddit.com/r/adhdwomen/comments/12kvkho/i_dont_want_this/?sort=controversial

Demisexual

https://old.reddit.com/r/demisexuality/comments/19atwvs/being_demi_is_lonely/?sort=controversial

Identifies as pansexual and has questioned asexuality

https://old.reddit.com/r/Asexual/comments/18argru/am_i_asexual/?sort=controversial

And she's active in basically every foid mental illness subreddit (BPD, NPD, etc.)


/u/PhantomLights_10 only has a few comments so :marseyshrug:


/u/IIIItoto

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw2fmb0/?context=8&sort=controversial

Autist

https://old.reddit.com/r/evilautism/comments/1bka1q7/i_hate_groomercord/?sort=controversial

Therian (Animal larpers)

https://old.reddit.com/r/Therian/comments/1bh60xr/you_dont_have_to_be_born_a_therian/?sort=controversial


/u/Puzzled_Ad_1725

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw33hz8/?context=8&sort=controversial

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113770842885358.webp

Post they made to XenoGender

https://old.reddit.com/r/XenogendersAndMore/comments/z374ak/some_genders_i_made_3/?sort=controversial

Also a Therian

https://old.reddit.com/r/Therian/comments/1bjxuof/members_of_our_sys_and_their_theriotypes_3/?sort=controversial

Literally them btw

https://old.reddit.com/r/ageregression/comments/1blcz46/i_maded_meself/?sort=controversial


/u/jadesylph

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw50y8v/?context=8&sort=controversial

Ngl I almost skipped this one because their comment is buried and I'm getting tired. But journ*listic integrity is important on rDrama.

There it is

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113773229470453.webp


/u/spycat924

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw4y4qy/?context=8&sort=controversial

Omg nothing :marseyyayyy: but their whole account is anime and manga posting so it's only a matter of time :marseyeggirl:


/u/LaylaEclipse000

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw5aylc/?context=8&sort=controversial

I don't see a specific autist or trans declaration, but they're active in /r/ActualLesbians and /r/GatekeepingYuri so... :marseysmirk2:


/u/RandomSynpases

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw2ic02/?context=8&sort=controversial

Trans

https://old.reddit.com/r/transpassing/comments/16034ga/do_i_pass_thinking_ffs_any_advice/?sort=controversial


/u/MadderCollective

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw3ky91/?context=8&sort=controversial

Well there's this

Do you as someone AFAB (or AMAB) have male (or female) hosts that don't consider themselves trans?

One of our old hosts considered and still considers himself a "cisgendered hetero male", and did not consider our body (AFAB) his body, even remotely. This caused a lot of constant dysphoria for him (this was over a decade ago) and he typically wore binders any time he heavily fronted and had an entire routine for putting on and taking off his wardrobe.


/u/RedstnPhoenx

https://old.reddit.com/r/OSDD/comments/1bkviz6/fakeclaimed/kw93vga/?context=8&sort=controversial

No posts. I didn't find any trans or autist in the comments. :marseyyayyy: Inconclusive.


:#marseysleep:

:#marseyitsallsotiresome: :#marseytabletired2:

Im an r-slur but :soyjak: there's much more going on with this trans thing than the activists would have you believe. Of course this is a small sample, but it's still interesting. There was a similar thing with the tik tok tourettes where a huge amount of them were also trans or nonbinary

https://rdrama.net/post/147297/new-nyts-article-about-tik-tok

Many of the accounts in /r/OSDD are also teenagers. It's clearly some combination of

  • Kids latching onto various identities whether on purpose to be cool or unique. Or inadvertently picking up these things through social contagion or online influence.

  • Autists

  • Mentally ill people who aren't getting help. They're falling deeper into mental illness and seeing their illness as an identity rather than something to be dealt with and overcome.

:#marseyshrug:

What are your thoughts? If you read this far ping @Holly_Jolly_Kong in the comments.

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Normally I'd be suspicious that this was one of those paid OF thot advertisements but the :chudette: seems like a legitimate chud based on her post history

It starts off with the :chudette: 's boring mom story about taking her kids to see some old plantation :marseysoutherner: :marseycracka: :marseytariqgenocide:

The :ethot: correctly points out that the kids probably thought it was boring :marseysleep:

The :chudette: does some THOT PATROLLING in return

!thotpatrollers !foidmoment

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Musk has joined gaymergate 2

https://9gag.com/gag/adBy5ZZ#comment

not everyone on 9strag appreciTEs his input

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https://i.rdrama.net/images/17111270475835586.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711127047642445.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17111270477948008.webp

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The Hamasabi :marseyturkroach: meltdown :soyjihadi: continues...

Destiny (a woman's name) subreddit is having fun

:mar#seysow: :marseyre#apcrying: https://i.rdrama.net/images/17115568247236803.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711556824941029.webp

https://old.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1bp2786/its_almost_like/?sort=controversial

!dramatards @arsey

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17115568246122754.webp

Some wojaks for future use

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711556825001674.webp https://i.rdrama.net/images/17115568250863163.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711556825199738.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17115568255089338.webp :mars#eyme:

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711556825623921.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17115568258002229.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17115568261254594.webp

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711556826382131.webp :marseypeterso#n:

WRONG THINK ALERT :redlight: https://old.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1bp2786/its_almost_like/kwsu4e7/?context=8&sort=controversial

Thread is still fresh!!

A DEFENDER APPEARS

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17115569045437639.webp

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EFFORTPOST The history of MUDs, games from my old boomer times :marseyboomer:

I did a poll a while back asking what I should write about. Surprisingly "my old boomer times" won by a large margin. So I present you with a history of MUDs, the thinking man's multiplayer game.

Telnet

Back in the 1800s (yes, that's how far back I'm going) Americans invented all kinds of awesome things: telephones, machine guns, movie cameras, record players. Two of these devices, the typewriter and the telegraph, were combined into something even more powerful. The keyboard of one typewriter sent electrical signals to control a typewriter at a distant location. This was known as teletype. It's how big organizations like militaries and multinational corporations sent data for about a century.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/171132724300407.webp

Teletype Model 33.

Eventually Americans invented even more cool stuff like mainframe computers capable of doing time sharing. This meant they could respond almost instantly. You could connect a teletype to the computer but that was suboptimal as the teletype couldn't print as fast as the computer could think. So the printer was replaced with a video screen, and now you had a dumb terminal. It could show text on a screen and accept text input but that was about it. These came into use in the 1970s among big organizations that could afford to pay for the luxury.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113272434662569.webp

A DEC VT100 terminal. This is the standard terminal that's emulated in software.

Another revolution quickly followed in the 1980s with microcomputers, little computers so cheap that an individual person could own one. These were not very powerful at first but they were smart enough to pretend they were a dumb terminal and connect to mainframe. It's a computer emulating a terminal emulating a teletype.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/1711327244049785.webp

Telnet being used for something more serious.

Why waste your time with this history lesson? It's important to understand the environment we're dealing with here. The Telnet protocol that you use to connect to a MUD is all about text. The technical details of how it gets from one place to another are more advanced, but in the end it's just alphanumeric characters going in and out like a machine from the 1800s.

Gaymers Rise Up

As universities got mainframes capable of time sharing, computer games soon followed. Among the most revolutionary was 1976's Colossal Cave Adventure. The player explores a cave system made up of a network of rooms. Each room has a text description and it can have items in it for the player to pick up. The player gives commands by simply typing in what they want to do. Many more games following this formula followed and the text adventure genre was born.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113272438094273.webp

Don't get eaten by a grue.

Zork was among the most popular of these new games. Some nerd at the University of Essex loved to play a version of it called Dungeon. In 1978 he decided to make a multiplayer game based on it, which he naturally called Multi User Dungeon, and the MUD was born. In 1980 the university was connected to the internet, exposing MUD to the whole world.

UNIX Nerds Emerge

The roots of the MUD genre were now firmly planted but it would be many years before it bloomed. There were a number of technical obstacles which made it prohibitively expensive for all but a lucky few to play MUDs. The internet was only available at a few dozen universities and major computer companies, most of which frowned on using it for monkey business like playing games. By the late 1980s there were several MUDs running on commercial networks like CompuServe and AOL but these charged obscene amounts for connection time. Microcomputers like the PC became available but were still far too expensive for an ordinary family to get just to play games. A modem had to be purchased separately and these were incredibly slow and expensive as well.

https://i.rdrama.net/images/17113272442909887.webp

Remember how to calculate your THAC0.

Despite these challenges, the 1980s saw great progress. A new nerd monoculture was sprouting in America and Europe, one that would prove to be fertile ground for the emergence of MUDs. The UNIX operating system and C language were taking over university computer science programs replacing a hodgepodge of weird proprietary systems. This made it much easier to share code, which would be crucial in the golden age of MUDs. There was compatibility in culture as well. Every nerd liked The Lord of the Rings and Dungeons and Dragons.

Explosion

Ultimately MUDs would explode in popularity not because of some revolutionary idea from a creative genius but simply because computers got better and cheaper over the years. By 1995 you could get a Windows PC with a modem for a reasonable price. The fiber optic backbone of the internet was laid and in the early 1990s the government allowed it to be used for commercial purposes. University computers became powerful enough that running a MUD wasn't too big a drain on resources.

Around 1990 a few free (as in Richard Stallman eating something off his foot and calling it "GNU") MUDs appear. Most MUDs in the future are descendants of these, especially the enormously influential DikuMUD. However there are also all kinds of MUDs with their own unique codebase, some of them quite bizarre like one based on LISP. The most enduring are true labors of love, often based in a university computer science department and passed down from one class of students to the next.

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A map of the city of Midgaard. DikuMUDs generally kept the same layout.

Some MUDs were for roleplaying. You were expected to stay in character pretending you were an elf or a Romulan or something. As shameful and embarrassing as it was to engage in this type of behavior, it had a charm. You were essentially cooperating with the other players to write a story in real time. If nothing else, you could learn how to write quickly under time pressure. Some of these artsy-fartsy type MUDs let you create your own areas and even program them. It was kind of like Second Life except without graphics or Bardfinn. With no graphics and such a simple user interface it was easy to add whatever gameplay mechanics you could think of.

But most were simple hack and slash affairs. You go out to an area appropriate for your level, preferably in a group, and hunt for mobs. When you find one you type something like "kill orc" and enter combat, taking turns attacking each other. Occasionally you "kick" or "cast magic missile" or whatever your class' special power is. When you kill it you get xp, gold, and maybe equipment. This should sound very familiar to you. MUDs were inspired by D&D and in turn became the basis of MMOs. EverQuest, the first MMO to achieve mainstream success, ripped off DikuMUD to a large extent.

Legacy

The golden age of MUDs lasted until around 2000. During this period they were really the only game in town. There were multiplayer FPSs and RTSs but nothing that gave you a similar experience. On a 56k modem it took a few seconds just to download a jpeg. Internet connections were much less stable, frequently cutting out for a second or two. So text still made sense as the medium for a multiplayer game.

Then MMOs arrived like Spanish conquistadors, bringing ruin for our civilization. Better PCs and better communications technology like DSL finally allowed the dream of a "graphical MUD" to come true. These were the shiny new thing. Why read walls of text written by some random 20 Finnish nerd boy when you could be looking at 3D graphics instead? If you had any normie friends they would be playing WoW, not words words words. Of course some MUDs have survived and are still thriving today, but the age when there were a thousand running at a time with all kinds of creative new ideas is over.

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You can't compete with graphics like this.

So why do I lament the passing of this era? Is it just nostalgia for a time when ska ruled and action movies had real stunts? No. It's more. That was a time when we were free. Free to express yourself. Free to make your own world. Free to implement any crazy gameplay system you wanted. Free to be a Romulan. Jolan 'tru, dramanauts.

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Normal people making fun of them a lot now:

https://twitter.com/danwaterfield/status/1772028753801076814

Some white supremacy from Paul here:

https://twitter.com/n_e_rd/status/1771766548669047103

https://twitter.com/Charlie694204/status/1771937860448297460

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https://twitter.com/CilComLFC/status/1771331465948573854

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https://twitter.com/david_r_morgan/status/1771335568850386977

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https://twitter.com/CilComLFC/status/1771337153341010037

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https://twitter.com/WebThreeDotO/status/1771402790029435065

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https://twitter.com/TrutherAmerica/status/1771332518081655259

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https://twitter.com/s14722839/status/1771476979985920162

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Listen babe I'll put my cuck chair wherever I want in this house.

So this neighbor had a simple request. He just wanted to honor his parents and also fufill his desire so sit down:

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But why would his fiancee have such little respect for him? ๐Ÿค”๐Ÿค”:

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Folks tried to tell him to let it go:

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But he seems insistent. Truly he is a man on a mission:

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A force to reckon with:

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So let's go through his Twitter and see the origin of their love story:

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Yes I checked they are real tweets.

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Plz be real.

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Reported by:
  • 0 : GROOMERCORDCEL!
  • Geralt_of_Uganda : /h/metashit
  • forgot_pw : Test
  • collectijism : Ban this rtard just like we did with his bum buddy spal
  • Impassionata3 : some grillers want to grill, others are misogynist racist chuds larping lmao
  • DickButtKiss : ^ "misogony" shouldn't even be part of a grillers vocab. secondly is this a expose or an exposรฉ?
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An expose on @FrozenChosen ft. Sirpingsalot (Effortpost in comments)

Fellow dramatards, I come to you with a story of janny collusion, of egirls gone wild and of a Rizzler cut down in his prime. This post and podcast will call into question everything you thought you knew about rdrama, it's storied history and it's expansive lore.

What I posit to you today, the humble drama peasant, is that our sacred community is being manipulated and weaponized by a late 30's e-girl to do her evil, satanic bidding and destroy the lives of the men she once lusted after.

Let's start with the facts: We all bore witness to the SPAL/Frozen sexting logs that Frozen herself leaked. Many humble drama peasants were left wondering why she would leak such a thing? The truth is that I messaged her and let her know we would be discussing her, and that she was invited on to defend herself. She declined, and in an effort to jump out in front of the drama, she leaked the debaucherous DMs of her own accord.

Let us look a little deeper at these, as it establishes a pattern of behavior that she has weaponized against multiple scrotes that she has left in her wake.

Here is a DM from Sirpingsalot's first banning, when accusations of pedophilia were lobbed at him. When SPAL was a potential love interest, this was her position:

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@FrozenChosen was so bricked up, had such fire in her loins for our hero, had such strong convictions that he was an innocent man framed, that she ignored the wishes of her fellow broom wielders and provided him with instructions on how to get back onto our esteemed platform. Surely this act of rebellion and insubordination would warrant her demopping? Not when you're highly simped after post wall e-girl Frozen!

Of course, she flipped on him when it became convenient and public sentiment had rallied against our hero. A man unjustly banned for simply accusing @carpathianfriendly of being a p-dophile with no evidence. Here, contrary to her previous stance, she accuses him of being a p-do.

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Our holy hero does not waver at this snakening of epic proportions. He remains steadfast in his convictions and asks why she has flip flopped, why she maintained a public and private position like Hillary Chinton. Her answer is important, as it establishes a sickening pattern of behavior.

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"I wasn't flirting, I was attention seeking". A massive cope with an unearned gif as to establish some sort of "own" that never occured.

So why bring up this drama? It's good and dead, we've all already had our laughs and exchanged banter about it. What exactly am I getting at here?

She has used her goodwill to bury yet another love interest and smear his good name before

Let's talk about Mello. He's been banned for ages now, an evil man, a schizophrenic stalker who was a threat to not only @FrozenChosen's safety but to the community at large. At least, that's what they would have you believe.

A user once reached out to me and said Mello would be a good interview. I was informed that he was a schizophrenic who stalked and harassed Frozen. I didn't have much interest, but I figured I would shoot @FrozenChosen a DM and see if there was anything to work with. The response set off a whole lot of red flags that something was amiss.

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Why would a supposed "stalking victim" become so irate as to threaten a journ*list with legal action for simply asking about her story? Why would somebody who allegedly fears for their life threaten legal action towards somebody who could interview their stalker, potentially giving them ammo for future legal proceedings and proving she has a valid concern for her safety?

This simply doesn't add up!

Unconcerned with her belligerent and toothless threats, I persisted. I talked to Mello on twitter, asking him some questions and preparing for his interview. What struck me as odd is that he only agreed to do the show if he didn't have to talk about Frozen, choosing instead to b-word about Aevann and Carp. Odd, isn't it? For a supposed "stalker" to not take up an opportunity to continue their alleged harassment? Would a real "stalker" simply let their "victim" go that easily? Again, things are not adding up.

I'd love to post these chatlogs to prove this, but I cannot. They are lost to the sands of time because Mello DFE'd after receiving this from Frozen:

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She sent me a copy of this restraining order (leaving his full legal name in, which I redacted) shortly after she was made aware of my upcoming Mello interview, boasting and celebrating over her kill. Why is it that he has supposedly been stalking her for years, making her feel unsafe the whole time, yet an emergency restraining order is only filed once she becomes aware that I am willing to give him the voice that the jannies had swept away from him?

Once again, it's not adding up.

I mentioned earlier that she has established a pattern of behavior - entrapping scrotes with her feminine wiles, and then proceeding to destroy them once they've outlived her usefulness. Frozen would have you believe that she is an innocent victim, that she had no hand in his interest in her, that she wanted to be left alone.

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Interesting! So once again, she claims she was "attention seeking" and goaded the poor guy into communication. Supposedly, she's been stalked by a deranged schizo, fallen trap to the whims of a billionaire diaper furry, yet she still persists in talking to rdrama men for sexual thrills? Is this what we are to believe?

Look to the skies, the truth is out there

This is what I am forced to believe, the conclusion that I've logically produced - @FrozenChosen has a pattern of behavior wherein she uses her put on "friendly" demeanor and feminine charm to ensnare innocent men who's only crime was being bricked up. Should she decide that her attention seeking is over, she'll cry to jannies and users alike of their evils, claiming to be an innocent victim of dangerous, criminal men. She's even gone so far as to threaten me with lawfare and actually use the courts to cut down a former love interest.

This is a janny on our website, abusing her mop and her poweruser clout to get her rocks off by causing actual, real life harm to users. Doxxing isn't allowed (she doxxed Mello to me by the way), even mentioning where it happened to her is bannable, but using legal action against users you've supplied personal info to is kosher? Is this what we are to believe? Why is Frozen untouchable? Why are her crimes to be swept under the rug and unanswered?

If you enjoyed this post, listen to the episode. I had some pretty good jokes this time ngl :#marseygrilling2:

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Catturd seethes and blocks me after I expose his dirty secret

Lmao he saw my reply and must have been pissed

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I'm currently the top response (viewed with an alt that doesn't follow my main)

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50 raging replies and counting:

https://twitter.com/ReasonPete/status/1773146177703170453

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