Hello, everyone. Some of you may have noticed that the trans genocide awareness thread stickied at the top of rdrama last year has been removed in recent weeks. Per the suggestion of several members, a new thread with some updated information will be made for this new year. 2024 is an election year in the United States, with all of the sociopolitical struggles that entail. The anti-trans march by politicians and culture war advocates continues, picking up steam at an alarming rate.

I will not mince words, the situation is bad and it can get much worse if left unchecked. Below is a primer from last year's thread providing details on what's going on and why it deserves the description of genocide. Some edits have been made by me for grammar and timeliness purposes, but it is a work in progress and there will inevitably be areas of concern overlooked that will require ongoing attention. I am but one cisgender man simply trying to raise awareness of a human rights issue in the spirit of others before me. I will do what I can, but I need your help to help others.

Credit to @HailVictory1776 for much of the original text that you will see below.


Hi, I would like to convince you of two things:

Anti-trans politicians are engaging in genocide. They are using state power to attack trans and non-binary people's rights to participate in public life, to access health care, and to keep their kids. This is not political posturing or pandering. It's genocide.

Stopping genocide requires recognizing the early signs. The most respectful thing you can do to honor the life's work of survivors of genocides is to look out, and pick one thing you can do to help stop another genocide from occurring.

Here are some questions I've seen people ask about calling anti-trans (the term I'll use throughout to describe things hurting trans and non-binary people) laws and infringements genocide, and my best try to answer them. If you already believe me and are just looking for what to do about it, please scroll to the end of this post for concrete, little things you can do TODAY:

What is a genocide?

As with a lot of crimes (e.g. r*pe, terrorism, organized crime) it depends on who you ask, it changes over time, there's a legal definition that sucks in specific ways, and there are experts who disagree on every part of the definition.

In 1946, the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 96 (I) said:

Genocide is a denial of the right of existence of entire human groups, as homicide is the denial of the right to live of individual human beings; such denial of the right of existence shocks the conscience of mankind, results in great losses to humanity in the form of cultural and other contributions represented by these human groups, and is contrary to moral law and to the spirit and aims of the United Nations.

Based on that early definition, the UN put together the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in 1948. Article 2 says:

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

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That definition has two parts. (1) It has to be intentionally destroying a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. And (2) it has to have at least one of the five listed acts. I'll point out that you don't need to kill anyone for it to be a genocide. It's enough that you do terrible non-murder things to them, as long as your intent is to destroy the whole group.

What's wrong with the 1948 Genocide Convention definition?

David Lisson, "Defining 'National Group' in the Genocide Convention: A Case Study of Timor-Leste", 2008:

A difficult provision as a whole, no aspect of Article 2 has proven more vexing and controversial than its selective protection of certain groups…Problematically, the Genocide Convention does not provide definitions of the groups that it protects, and there is no universal understanding of what constitutes a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group.

The list of protected groups is too strict. The UN wrote the 1948 definition to provide a legal punishment for genocide. But they can't actually punish things that the 1946 definition and the rest of the world recognize as genocide. So for the first fifty years after the definition was created, there were no successful convictions for genocide. The definition was created in 1948; the first successful conviction was in 1998. Here is a long sad Wikipedia article describing genocides between 1948 and 1999. The criteria are too strict.

The UN had to compromise on a lot to get the definition agreed on. They left out groups who are regularly targeted during genocide: women, gay people, people with disabilities, and yes, trans people. It wasn't until the Jean-Paul Akayesu judgment in 1998 that r*pe was even legally recognized to be a crime of genocide.

Lots of experts criticize the 1948 definition for being too narrow for its intended purpose. See Groups Defined by Gender and the Genocide Convention or Defining "National Group" in the Genocide Convention: A Case Study of Timor-Leste or The Genocide Convention and Unprotected Groups: Is the Scope of Protection Expanding under Customary International Law? for examples. It sucks.

Why did they write the 1948 UN definition that way?

The UN needed a definition, and they compromised a lot to get it. Some factions wanted protections only for stable, permanent, or immutable groups (even though religion and nationality are changeable). Some wanted protections for political affiliation. The Soviets really didn't. They ended up trading political groups away, so they could get an international tribunal put in the Convention, and so on.

Also, the Nuremberg trials set them up poorly to do an inclusive job. For example, direct testimony about r*pe was not included in the Nuremberg trials, and the Nuremberg trials "neither formally charged nor prosecuted for r*pe". When you start from a too-narrow definition and you don't update it over time, it gets real stale. That's especially dangerous when humans are so good at finding new ways to hate each other.

How do experts on genocides define a genocide?

Payam Akhavan, author of "Reducing Genocide to Law: Definition, Meaning, and the Ultimate Crime":

Is it better to not call a genocide "genocide" and do nothing, or is it better to call a genocide "genocide" and still do nothing?

There are like a million definitions, but they always have three things:

It has to be intentional,

The goal has to be destruction or annihilation, and

It has to be of a group or collective of people, not just individuals.

But this is important: groups that work to prevent genocide do not give a shit about squabbling over "this is a genocide and this is not". They focus on identifying features of genocide before they get to Legal Genocide, because you can only prevent genocide, you can't undo it. Take their lead.

For example, the Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention aims to "raise red flags of genocide at precisely the moment when it may be inconvenient for states and large human rights organizations to do so", because "identifying genocidal dynamics early on is important to domestic and international response". The only moral way to address genocide is by agreeing it's really happening and stopping it in its tracks.

Everyone would be able to tell if something was a genocide. If people disagree that it's a genocide, does that mean it's not one?

No. Denial of genocide always accompanies genocide. Genocides take place over time and escalate from less to more extreme acts. See The Ten Stages of Genocide by Dr. Gregory H Stanton, Founding President of Genocide Watch. Of course if a group jumped from classification (us vs them) to extermination (mass killing), people would notice. But that's not how genocide works. It works by systematically removing the barriers that can prevent the state from eradicating a group of innocent people.

Where in the ten stages of genocide is anti-trans stuff in the US right now?

Let's look.

Classification: By nature, yes. Trans people and cis people are different.

Symbolization: Sure. But as Stanton says, "Classification and symbolization are universally human and do not necessarily result in genocide unless they lead to dehumanization".

Discrimination: You betcha. Missouri's AG just effectively stopped gender-related health care for trans citizens. (2023: New restrictions in Missouri would make gender-affirming care nearly impossible; Did Missouri AG illegally seek patient records in trans inquiry? Lawsuit alleges overreach - archived version here). A trans lawmaker in Montana is being prevented from speaking on any bills. 36% of transgender youth in the US live in states that have already banned trans-related health care. Last year it was 18% (Bans on Best Practice Medical Care for Transgender Youth). We are seeing this in the UK as well. The Equality and Human Rights Commission has proposed that protections and rights based on gender in the UK should be based on "biological s*x". This would exclude trans people from single-s*x spaces, allow arbitrary discrimination, and remove protections like equal pay from trans women (The EHRC wants to redefine s*x. Here's what it means for trans people).

Dehumanization: Yes. Vilification of trans people as groomers, p-dophiles, child abusers, etc. is rampant in media and in legislatures. Trans people are animals. We are "demons and imps" and "mutants from another planet". Trans customers should be removed from areas where there are children. This is textbook justification for eradication of a group. To provide a point of comparison, note how Donald Trump referred to the so-called radical left (among other groups) as "vermin" or stated immigrants were "poisoning the blood of society." Similar dehumanizing language to soften people's reception to stochastic or officially state-sanctioned violence against "enemy" groups.

Organization: Inside the Secret Working Group That Helped Push Anti-Trans Laws. State legislatures are becoming anti-trans bill factories all working from the same playbook. Having a form where citizens report their trans neighbors or doctors providing assistance to trans people to the government (current status of this "hotline" unknown) is bringing the public in on it.

Polarization: Yeah, we are certainly at hate groups broadcasting polarizing propaganda.

Preparation: We're definitely indoctrinating the populace with fear of the victim group, stripping our rights while claiming to "protect our children". CPAC Speaker Calls for Transgender People to Be 'Eradicated'

Persecution: Yes, we're here now, too. Texas has turned the Deparment of Family and Protective Services into a posse investigating parents of trans kids (Governor's Letter). Last year, Florida passed a law that would give the state custody of a child if that child transitions. (SB254). That's a bad sign in this direction, especially when it was passed by a sitting governor who was running to become president.

Extermination: Not yet, but not for lack of trying from some individuals and groups. The openly known Project 2025, the list of aims of a second Trump Administration, will put the LGBTQ+ community in harm's way, defining trans people's mere existence as "pornographic." With entire communities forced to go (further) underground, it will only make harsher actions by anti-trans politicians easier to be carried out. Project 2025's aims also entail the effective dismantling of conventional federal government, further weakening if not outright destroying whatever protections are afforded to trans folks. I would like to remind everyone that between 2017 and 2021, the Trump Administration was able to push through a Muslim-majority nation travel ban, child separation border policies, a trans military ban, and an attempted coup to disrupt the peaceful transition of power. And in Trump's absence from power, predominantly Republican lawmakers have escalated their rhetoric and discrimination against those across the entire LGBTQ+ umbrella, trans people in particular. Now imagine what a now-experienced Donald Trump could push for or approve of with the help of a political party that would have regained control of the Executive Branch.

Denial: You betcha.

So yes, the US is actively engaged in most steps of genocide of trans people already.

Isn't it disrespectful to survivors of the Holocaust or other genocides to refer to what's happening to trans people as a genocide?


Jack Kliger, President/CEO, Museum of Jewish Heritage:

When we say that one must never forget the Holocaust, it is because we must never forget how it began, how words gave voice to discrimination and led to genocide.

Gideon Lev, Holocaust Survivor:

Do you know what I think about this as a Holocaust survivor? Trans rights are [the] same as human rights. And I stand with the trans community

Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention:

The ideological constructions of transgender women promoted by gender critical ideologues are particularly genocidal. They share many features in common with other, better known, genocidal ideologies. Transgender women are represented as stealth border crossers who seek to defile the purity of cisgender women, much as Tutsi women were viewed in Hutu Power ideology and Jewish men in Nazi antisemitism. Trans people in general are framed as figures that threaten the wholeness of the patriarchal nuclear family as well as the strength and vitality of national communities, much in the way that ethnic and national targets of genocide are viewed as cosmic enemies of the perpetrator group. Like the religious targets of genocidal violence, trans people are often described as somehow polluted, sinful, or against God. They are blamed for a host of social problems that have nothing to do with them or with the free expression of their identities. The Lemkin Institute reminds readers that one of the first libraries to be burned under the National Socialists in Germany was the library and archive of Magnus Hirshfeld's Institute for Sexual Science in Berlin, a groundbreaking research organization studying human sexuality and gender. The Nazis, like other genocidal groups, believed that national strength and existential power could only be achieved through an imposition of a strict gender binary within the racially-pure "national community." A fundamentalist gender binary was a key feature of Nazi racial politics and genocide.

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Marian Turski, Holocaust survivor:

"Don't be indifferent," he said. "That's what I want to say today to my daughter, my grandchildren and their peers, wherever they are."

"Don't be indifferent when you witness historical lies," he said. "Don't be indifferent when the past is manipulated for the sake of current political interests. Don't be indifferent when any minority is discriminated against."

There are exactly two purposes of recognizing genocide:

Preventing it from completing, and

Getting justice for the crimes that have been committed.

Recognizing genocides in progress before they are completed is the only way to prevent crimes against humanity. Gatekeeping calling something a genocide does nothing to help a group that is facing annihilation. It also does not honor the memories of people who have been victims of genocide. It lets genocide continue to happen without opposition.

It's not disrespectful, especially given transgender and GNC people were victims of the Nazi regime as well. The branches of hate tend to intersect.

How could a law that restricts trans participation in women's sports be an act of a genocide?

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum:

In the first six years of Adolf Hitler's dictatorship, Jews felt the effects of more than 400 decrees and regulations on all aspects of their lives. The regulations gradually but systematically took away their rights and property, transforming them from citizens into outcasts. Many of the laws were national ones issued by the German administration, affecting all Jews. State, regional, and municipal officials also issued many decrees in their own communities. As Nazi leaders prepared for war in Europe, antisemitic legislation in Germany and Austria paved the way for more radical persecution of Jews.

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In the first four months of 2023 alone, 46 anti-trans bills had passed, by the end of that year, at least 75 had passed, and nearly 400 more are currently introduced or advanced.

Allow me to reiterate that. Nearly FOUR HUNDRED MORE that could come.

Genocide never starts with death camps. Laws like these get a foot in the door. They make it law that transgender people are invalid and do not exist, because there is only "biological s*x" or "birth s*x". It's how you start to isolate a group. You claim they aren't a legitimate group. You blame them for societal ills. You isolate them from public view, from economic opportunities, from groups you previously belonged to, from positions of respect, from a good life.

Restricting rights of a group to participate in aspects of public life is essential to the genocide playbook. It is based on a made-up fear that we are "taking opportunities away from real members of society". It eliminates trans people's rights by falsely claiming to protect women. The actual goal is to set a legal precedent that transgender identity does not legally exist. When you want to prevent a group from existing in society, you first make a law that says "you aren't real to the laws that govern the rest of us".

A trans woman from abroad said it better than I ever could in this very thread:

Kyuuji said:

I said it in the other thread and will say it again, I don't know how to get more people to care. I wish I did, but it feels like we're at the eleventh hour on a lot of this and, at least in the UK, that's true regardless of election results.

I don't want to lose any more of my siblings because we're stuck in an endless discussion about where we pee, try on clothes and heal from injury or illness. All while children (and a significant number of adults) have lost their access to healthcare, can't reliably socially transition and are cut off from numerous career paths.

We are currently staring down the barrel of it being illegal to live openly as ourselves in society. Often people find it hard to connect the bans to this, viewing them as individual fragments rather than a whole. So, it would mean working without being able to use the bathroom. It would mean having no support group if you were violently assaulted, at a time where you are over four times more likely than cis people to experience violent victimization. Including r*pe, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault. It would mean you couldn't go shopping for a wedding dress as you can't access the changing room. You couldn't have a child and go to a mother and child class. You couldn't find friends through a women's book club. You couldn't even survive a car accident and be left unconscious without cis fears trying to hide you away on a different ward.

It is an eclipse of your ability to function in society.

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Lawmakers do not care about women's swimming. They know certain parts of the public feel something icky by seeing a photo of Lia Thomas next to a smaller swimmer. They feed on stereotypes and bigotry wherever they can get it. They are legislating the things they can get away with. Sadly, sports restrictions on trans women usually end up banning or hurting more cis women than trans people anyway.

Also, see this article from ABC News on how transphobia harms everyone. "While [trans folks and cis folks'] experiences are different in many ways, transphobia and misogyny hurt all of us." - Leroy B. Smith, communications director at the National Center for Transgender Equality

See here for scientific statistics that illuminate why trans-related healthcare is medically sound.

Okay, if it's a genocide, what do we do about it? What can I do personally about it?

Assume your action will make a real difference, because every bit of support truly does. There are lots of different levels you can act on to prevent genocide.

I'll start with IrishNinja's excellent links to directly help trans people build mutual aid networks:

IrishNinja said:

trans asylum seekers support network, trans resistance network and numerous others are working to build safe networks around the US, providing asylum, transportation and any number of services that at-risk trans folks need

please support your local mutual aid networks, they need it far more & do a lot more with your efforts & donations than the same failing avenues that helped get us here

hachikoma also provided the following info on orgs that can use help:

Equality Federation - EF is the national organization whose express mission it is to support state trans and LGBTQ work. Through technical support, training, re-granting, and coalition-building, EF is the national queer group with the most direct engagement at the state level as well as the connecting tissue between state and federal advocacy.

Trans Justice Funding Project [trans-led] - TJFP's model is community-led direct no-strings-attached grants to trans-led groups around the country.

National Center for Transgender Equality [trans-led] - NCTE is the country's primary trans policy advocacy group. NCTE holds most federal-level engagement, but also supports state work.

Transgender Legal Defense & Education Fund [trans-led] - TLDEF is a trans-led litigation org.

Lambda Legal [cis-led] - Lambda is one of the movement's tentpole litigation organizations. They are the national queer org leading the challenge to MO's all-ages healthcare ban.

National Center for Lesbian Rights [cis-led] - NCLR the movement's other large litigation org.

Athlete Ally [cis-led] - LGBTQ advocacy org focused on inclusion in sports.

National Women's Law Center [cis-led] - NWLC, though primarily a women's rights org, is nonetheless extremely active in queer and trans work. They often produce the federal-level formal comments on proposed regulations for the movement orgs to endorse.

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You can contribute to groups that prevent genocide, like the Lemkin Institute. That would include donating, promoting awareness, partnering if you're part of a group that might be able to work with them, etc.

You can contribute to groups that are working to overturn these genocidal laws, like or You can volunteer to text bank from home ( That may sound not fun, but it's pretty easy, very low commitment, and you 100% will change some people's minds and make it easier for people to access their voting rights. I've done it, it's not that bad. You can volunteer with the Trevor Project, they're very low on counselors and wait time can make a big difference to a trans person in crisis.

You can use 5calls' templates to tell your respective lawmaker(s) that you want them to oppose anti-transgender legislation. You can take your pick of trans-supportive organizations in the UK to support. I like Mermaids.

You can give to Global Action for Trans Advocacy, because jeez there are other countries out there too, and trans people need help in all of them.

You can google "how can I help trans people" and take 10 minutes out of your day to look at the top few entries and pick a thing you can do.

You can do a lot, but even one thing will help.

Thanks for reading, special thanks to Kyuuji and Android Sophia for helping make it easier for all of us to learn more about these and related topics, thanks to members of the cool-butt presumably TransEra Groomercord for encouraging Bionic and providing feedback on a draft of this post (you know who you are, Bionic loves y'all), thanks to every trans and non-binary person on this forum, thank you to people who do allyship, and thank you for reading it. If you like this post, please print it out and staple it to your shower curtain.


Trans rights are human rights and human rights must be protected. I wish you all a safe, productive, and honorable 2024.

it's time to learn about the Mangrate.

/r/Drama needs the official sponsorship of the Mangrate.

It cooks chicken AND more dry meat!

:cirnopost:THIS :marseycirno: IS :marseycirno2: CIRNO :soyno: : A FIGHTING GAME TOURNAMENT [10k MB] :cirnopost: [27/4]

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[TOUHOU FIGHTING GAME] [:marseycirno2: CIRNO :marseycirno: INSIDE :soyno: ] [10k MB PRIZEPOOL] [SIGN-UP INSIDE] [20/4] Announcing: /h/kappa Monthly Tournament 9th edition - Soku - Touhou 12.3 Hisoutensoku Game : Soku - Touhou 12.3 Hisoutensoku

PRIZE POOL : 10k MB [1st place 8k; 2nd place 1.5k; 3rd place 500]

Date : 27th of April, 5 PM EDT

Sign-up link:

THIS :marseycirno: IS :marseycirno2: CHILLNO :soyno:

No one here has played this game, so don't feel intimidated if you're new to FGC.

Hisoutensoku is a very well known indie fighter, and interestingly for a japanese game it was never released in arcades. It's very unique in it's gameplay, since it's based on a shmup series and tries to retain those systems. So whereas every character in something like Guilty Gear is a RushDown, every character in Soku is a zoner. The game also includes a universal flight mechanic, as well as a DUST-ish attack. If any of you are 2h fans you should definitely try this one out!

This is gonna be our first non-fightcade game, but thankfully you don't have to make any new accounts! It's an expansion for another game (which is where the .3 comes from) so they will need to be in the same folder.



I've set up this drive to include a zipped folder of both SWR and Hisoutensoku, so hopefully no setup is needed. :goodl#uck:

@khaoskong664 @DeepKeepShill @ChristoffWChanderson @KongEnjoyer @NeurodivergentOnTheStreets @Elon_SUSk @Bridge @Aba @frickmeatsandwich @KangThaConquered @CHUDLORD @ukstubbs @Modern_Major_Jefferal @CamNewton @R-slurer @ILIKECATS (you WILL join :ragestrangle:) and !g*mers


!fellas !anime !kino


The sardines writing is long and annoying, but this is the summary

A mass-banning of all users critical of Tesla is currently underway. According to multiple reports on RealTesla, ALL users who have ever posted a comment or submission to /r/RealTesla or /r/EnoughMuskSpam are being automatically perma-banned from all Tesla-positive communities, including /r/Cybertruck, /r/ElonMusk, /r/TeslaLounge, and /r/teslamotors.

So I'm not just copying the sardine post, I'll add this new post from one of the anti Musk jannies /u/ghqwertt He's sneeding in ModSupport about the auto bans being harassment.

Turns out that the anti Musk subs also use a ban bot :marseyxd: :marseymanysuchcases:


Merari and Bardfinn just commented there too :marseyexcited:

Interesting comment from this janny

That is kind of weird isn't it :marseyconfused: Those are the pro Musk jannies he's talking about.

A few comments speculated /u/rcnfive is Elon :marseyxd: :marseyxdoubt: It's clearly not. Jannies will simp for free, but it would be funny :marseybegging:



Q: What is Happy Tree Friends?

A: You should have watched it as a kid. If you haven't, you can watch this:

Q: who the frick like this show?

A: autists :autism:, and no, this is unironic.

The Subreddit

I watched Happy Tree Friends as a kid and think it is pretty funny, and found out they made a new episode recently, so I read something about happy tree friends, and found the subreddit:

It is filled with autists obsessing over their stupid fan-made characters:

It is not even that interesting until you look into the stickied post of the subreddit.

The Autist

Here is the stickied post:

I don't care if I left the fandom! If you mention brunynhoalves, you're getting a 5 day ban! Just frick off already! I said to stop talking about him! I saw another post today!

Even the mods :marseyjanny2: talk like an autist. :marseyxd:

But who is /u/brunynhoalves? :marseydetective:

So basically he spams the subreddits with posts to tell people to subscribe to him or whatever: (Trigger Warning: Groomcord :marseydiscord:)

Since he spams the subreddit non-stop, he is eventually banned from it :marseyban:

And he appeals to the subreddit mods :marseyjanny::

So this is apparantly Flippy x Fliqpy ship:

It gets even worse:

In case you can't see the screenshot in the last screenshot:

Can you rub your breasts on my peepee? :marseymoidmoment:


Can you rub your breasts on my peepee? :marseymoidmoment:

I said can you rub your breasts on my peepee? :marseymoidmoment:

He apparantly shit up the subreddit so much that there are many complain posts about him:

What the frick is even illegal shit? These are all fricking anthropomorphic animals and these zoophilic autist do be like "no only the yellow rabbit and the pink female one not the same character but two personality" :marseylaugh:

When the autists noootices :marseynoooticer:

And from the above post, I found his twitter:



Gives off DO NOT REDEEM energy

13🎂| Neurodivergent🧩| Male | (he,) I'm a good artist, I'm obsessed with #happytreefriends, follow me if you want.


quite apparant

Look at this beautiful retweet:

And here's his YouTube Channel:

Made on Alight Motion

How To Make G Major 74 in Alight Motion:

1st go to up tempo and pitches:




2nd: go to alight motion and create a project what you want

3rd: tap + on Bottom Right

4th: click Klasky Csupo

5th: go to homogenization and opacity and click Luminosity

6th: go to effects and search Stretch Axis:

Scale: 0,85

Angle: 0,0°

7th: go to effects and search Circular Ripple:

Centralize: X Axis: 0 Y Axis: 0 Frequency: 1,00

Intensity: -0,140

Phase: 0,00

Radius: 0,30

Feather: 1,000

8th: go to effects and Search Stretch Axis: (again)

Stretch: 1,22

Angle: 0,0°

The autism :marseyautism: is strong

And this is legitimately disturbing.

And of course it is easy to find his DeviantArt too:

Rubbing your breasts on my peepee


So, how neurodivergent do you think he is?


@ULTRAGIGASNEED posted the Twitter version earlier, but didn't fricking explain who these people are :marseyeyeroll:

I guess arguing on Twitter wasn't enough. /u/PalmerLuckey wanted to continue on reddit.

Will he come to rDrama next?

Stolen from sardines :marseyitsover:

I'm torn. Billionaire bothering to argue with the plebs on reddit? He also has an 11 year old reddit account where he posts things like this :#marseyyikes:

:#marseydicklet: :#marseysick: :#marseywtf2:

Let people enjoy things :marseyshrug:

Apple TV Benjamin Franklin Episode 3: Ben Franklin teaches his grandson a lesson about transphobia and stochastic terrorism


Ben Franklin and his grandson are sitting in a theater preparing to watch a special performance in honor of the King's favorite :marseytrain2:, now unexiled. "Me and my French bro are making bets about whether this guy in a dress actually thinks he's a woman - what do you think?"

"You're WHAT?" says the older Franklin. His grandson shuts up embarrassed.

Soon the train is on stage and is boldly proclaiming xerself to be the first French person to openly support arming the American revolution, and says xhe's going to do it whether the king agrees or not or something. (Americans should thank :marseytrain2:s for the winning the American revolution.) Franklin stands up and tries to thank xer in French but stumbles around phrases about "taking her sword" and the entire theater starts laughing at the :marseytrain2: and xe tears up.

Dinner party scene, Franklin is sulking sitting on the loser side of the table away from potential benefactors and the :marseytrain2: that everybody loves now. His grandson says, "Maybe you should have worn a dress." Franklin scoffs at his grandson's insensitive language.

The next scene is Franklin taking a piss in the garden and noticing the train is also taking a piss standing up, hiking up his dress, kind of looks like he's humping the wall, now grinning at Franklin - staring at each other while they piss.

"What are you?" says Benjamin Franklin in awe.

"I am a fact without a name" spouts the :marseytrain2:, and Franklin nods like that means something.

Later Franklin' grandson and his French bro are giggling showing Ben this printed cartoon of the :marseytrain2: showing off her peepee. Franklin harumphs, "THAT'S not very well printed." French bro tries to explain these cartoons are always edgy, kek, there's even one of the Queen lesbianing it up. Franklin sternly says, "In this country vice and oddity are thought nothing of but being meanly funny can be DEADLY."


The episode ends with Franklin's grandson being introduced to the greatest, most elegant whore in all of France, which I was hoping was a :marseytrain2:, but was actually the first black character on the show, which wasn't weirdly done, but felt amusingly like chud bait.

I also like how this show is going to painful lengths to make clear that Franklin is only going to start banging a French woman because his own wife is dead and the French woman's husband is cheating on her, not because Franklin a lecherous old pervert.

my pointy cats

breaking up the round cat posting with my angular sleek cats


Her name is Mojo Jojo/Mojo because instead of meowing, she makes weird mip-mop noises incessantly. She was an ex-breeder cat who ended up unable to continue because she was a runt - she's only 7 lbs at her fattest. Her registered name was Chatty Cathy - but I had to change that because my name may or may not have been similar. :marseyhacker2:

I had another cat with a terminal illness who had passed (named Biscuit), and was looking to find a partner in cat crime for her because this is an insanely social breed.

I brought her in for an intensive dental surgery and ended up bringing home another cat from the same veterinarian named Tokyo.

Mojo's first introduction to Tokyo was while she was heavily sedated on painkillers.

Oddly enough, the painkillers ended up keeping her from hating Tokyo. Within the same day, they were sleeping next to each other.

I highly recommend the oriental shorthair breed for people who enjoy weird dog-cats. They are very needy, but don't freak out when you leave for work… but when you are around, they will be bugging you constantly to play fetch.


After five pages of arguing and explaining how easy it would :marseywood: be for me to have machine :marseymini: elves r*pe them one dude posts this.

He also posts his hand proving that he is a man of good hygiene :marseyspa: who makes proper dietary decisions.

Overall I did not achieve my goal of getting unbanned from Elaine's thread. I'll probably try again in a month or two.

!actualbiofoids Does this guy seem like a capable wizard? Should :marseynorm: I be worried?


This dude read me like a book.

I think :marseynooticeglow: my ultimate goal with the kiwifarmers will be to get one to show up to an irl meeting.

They are mad mad and accusing me of being Elaine. May pin this tomorrow when I wake up because now I have them debating amongst each other and I feel like I will wake up to more comments.

This is where :marseydrama: I will end to go to sleep :marseyhatman2: for now. If anything :marseycoleporter: decent pops up I'll pin this when I wake up.


Most Based Comments

Basedness: 🔥🔥🔥🔘🔘

Im just learning now that people ask their entire family to fund their wedding. Thats crazy to me. (2463)

I hadn't ever heard of that either. She must have been contributing a large amount too, if all the plans fall through if she bails. (620)

Basedness: 🔥🔥🔥🔘🔘

I'm sorry, are we supposed to be on your side here? You discriminated against your cousin and expected her mother to pay for your venue. Are you serious? I hope your fiance is taking a long, hard look at this situation before he legally binds himself to you. (768)

It's not discriminating if she blows up and causes scenes every time she goes somewhere. That's her wanting a wedding without anybody causing any issues and I don't blame her. (-77)

Basedness: 🔥🔥🔥🔘🔘

I love how you're ignoring all the comments calling you out for being transphobic (94)

Dude. Enough. The cousin is an butthole. Who cares what she calls the cousin? Ok?? THAT'S NOT THE POINT. (-87)

Angriest Comments

Angriness: 😡😡😡😡😡

You're being ridiculous wanting a wedding you can't afford. Be an adult and stop listening to your family. Have the wedding with no strings attached (7465)

I agreed with this comment about OP being spoiled but as I read further comments very different and illuminating facts came to light so off I went to read the post history and bloody heck. OP is a horrible, spoiled, lying bigot. The one who she claims is mentally ill is trans. That's a mental illness according to OP. OP handed out invitations to everyone in person, at a Christmas party, to everyone but the family member. Said family member talked to OP and APOLOGISED for any upset that they caused her as a child and explained that they struggled a lot (an example of provided of the family members behaviour was crying when recieving a dress on their bday) until relativity recently. OP then invited the family member by dead naming them, insisting they could come only if they wore a dress. At this point I stopped bothering to read. OP is either delusional a troll, and I'm leaning towards troll because who the heck keeps up proof of being such an awful person?!! (4)

Angriness: 😡😡😡😡😡

I don't usually comment on posts anymore, but wow what you wrote was disgusting. Is it ok not to invite someone to your wedding? Yes. But is it ok to not invite someone mainly because of their mental illness? Heck no. You are actively contributing to the stigma people with BPD face every day, and that's honestly disgusting. Your lack of empathy for people struggling with mental illnesses is also disgusting. Your cousin did not sabotage your wedding, you did through your own ignorance and actions. My boyfriend and I both have BPD, and trust me, we're not “unstable” or “unpredictable.” People with BPD are real human beings struggling with a brutal mental illness. Most of the time, the symptoms aren't even noticeable. Only severe, untreated BPD would come close to that description, and even then I really wouldn't ever say that about a person. No wonder your cousin and family reacted the way they did. Your cousin has every right to be upset. I don't mean to invalidate your feelings, but... (2)

Angriness: 😡😡😡😡😡

I'd like to take a moment, for my part in this conversation mentioning BPD, to clarify something very important that may have made you feel hurt by my words. When mentioning BPD I was quoting OP directly, and never intended to imply that everyone who suffers from BPD causes scenes and acts out with no concern for their actions or anything. I also wasn't supporting her treatment even if her cousin having BPD were the case, only saying that I could understand a hesitation to invite a family member who might be prone to frequent episodes to something as big as one's wedding if you thought they wouldn't make an effort to not do something. I know it wasn't the case, so doesn't really matter, but I wanted to clarify that I was quoting OP on the BPD and my comment around episodes was meant on a case by case basement, not meant as a generalization. (5) (4)

Biggest Lolcow: /u/Obv_Probv

Score: 🐮🐮🐮🔘🔘

Number of comments: 26

Average angriness: 🔘🔘🔘🔘🔘

Maximum angriness: 😡😡😡😡😡

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Average Chud when he meets black chicks
I am solving the Creamy Dog Orgasm problem

I gave him 50 ban awards. I understand the parentheses “””arent his fault””” but he has two alts. He can figure it out.

!coomers we lost again :itendsnow:


!germs !christians

Bluesky-chan and Twitter-chan

Today some foids wore hijab. The West has fallen, Millions must DIE!

Image/Video replies

More chud seething underneath:

Just a womyn looking outward of the window.

Made an AI image and get mad at it.

:marseychudindian: They truly won't stop being racists towards every non-yt race despite they're the main recipient of racism.

It the same as in Japan

Most japanese department stores have Koreans-style greetings

First time seeing Jap rightards :marseykamikaze: hating Kimchis Koreans :marseyindignantgook:

Some halal food from puslims

We all know that only one country in this world would people do this.


Text replies

Yeah but France always gets conquered without a shot.

So true :marseylaugh: :marseydeuxgenocide:

Saw these outfits at a small town Texas festival this week.

Why are these people in a small town in Texas?

They have no interest in assimilation.

They are NOT here for opportunities.

It's clear they are here as part of a large, orchestrated plan.

Even they speak only English they're probably get treated in a racist manner lol.

Also, she looks like this btw :chudette:

are you trying to say Dubai, the most populous city in the United Arab Emirates, is in dark time right now?

They're in dark times because they are letting indian workers in.

BTW this fake Andrew Tate doxxed Aevann:

France is down

This chink coomer is mad about muslim despite :marseyxi: is close with many islamic countries!

Muslims Retaliate

We will take over the whole Europe inshallah 🤺🗡️

Someone have that meme of a bell curve midwit meme, with the right side a :chadarab: saying "Islamic Emirate of Europe 2050 Inshallah"?

Didnt Mary wear head coverings? Head coverings are signs of submission to the Almighty.

>What's your problem?

It's funny chuds almost always forget Islam and Christianity are just reinterpretation of Judaism.

Soon everyone will be Muslim😀

Because they understand

Waiting for better days...

It's funny muslims do not hesitate to say "yes we are going to completely destroy your society and rebuild it in accord with our ideology".

What's your effing problem with that?

Window shopper

People like u don't even buy stuff

U must be an Indian sexy Indian dudeh from the looks of it

Another day for :marseychudindian: and :chudmuslim: to fight! But it's mostly indian hating them rather than arabs hating them back.

Anyway I am tired now, see you next time!

EFFORTPOST The Fall of RoosterTeeth :soycrychickengenocide: and Fate of RWBY :marseyjwby: — Meta Effortpost Part 3

The RT subreddit jannies have "temporarily" suspended rule 6. Rule 6 says "6. Do not come here to complain about how "RT is dead"."


For the rest of RT's history see my previous effortposts.

Part 1

Part 2

The End of RoosterTeeth :marseygameritsover:

We covered the majority of the reasons why RoosterTeeth eventually went under in the previous post. In this Part 3 I'll wrap up a few points I didn't have room to elaborate on previously before detailing the actual collapse and aftermath. After all there isn't any single climactic scandal or crisis that did them in on its own.

Though the following point did contribute heavily to RWBY's decline.

Animation is Expensive :marseyitsjoever:


— Achievement Hunter

RoosterTeeth didn't have an actual animation department back when they hired Monty Oum for RvB. Monty and some of his "apprentices" handled all of the cgi for RvB seasons 8-10, and the first Volume of RWBY couldn't have had more than fifteen people total behind its animation. The success of RWBY is what created the proper Animation Studio, and going forward it would handle the rest of RWBY and RvB along with a few new IPs RoosterTeeth tried to get off the ground. RT's other animated productions include Camp Camp, Nomad of Nowhere, X-Ray and Vav, S*x Swing, and RoosterTeeth Animated Adventures.

The main show of note however is Gen:LOCK. Out of all the post-RWBY properties, Gen:LOCK was RT's biggest hope of recapturing that lightning in a bottle and was easily the most expensive production. Indeed it's been claimed that Gen:LOCK appropriated funds from other animated productions since its creator also just so happened to be head of the animation department :carpmorshu:

As I mentioned in the first thread, Xoomers were some of the first weebs and American anime is their fault :anticarp: Gen:LOCK creator Gray Haddock had originally only done minor voice work when he started with RT. But that made him a professional compared to everyone else involved with developing RWBY, a very indie show in which RT was turning to their animators, HR employees, and podcasters just to fill out the voice acting roles. Gray voiced :marseyromantorchwick: and was popular enough to have the character stick around for three seasons when he was only meant to be in the first episode. When RoosterTeeth formed their proper animation studio in 2014, Gray was made Head of Animation. He was also a writer and assistant director for RWBY.

Gray grew up watching mecha :marseygundam: and cyberpunk :marseysnappyautism: anime and much like Monty Oum he must have decided at a young age that he'd make his own cool thing if ever he got the chance. As CRWBY (production crew of RWBY) began work on Volume 5 and RT decided on what the best big show would be, Gray pitched his idea for RoosterTeeth's very own robot franchise and used his position over the animation department to give his pitch a few advantages over any others. For one thing he could have the artists draw up concept art on demand :marseycracka:

Gray really wanted Gen:LOCK to be a full blown production comparable less to web shows and more towards network television. Not only would the production costs greatly exceed any previous RT animated endeavor. The show also shilled out for actual talent from SAG-AFTRA. Apparently it really started to come together after a concept artist used Michael B. Jordan as a reference for the main character and Gray sent an email to Jordan's agent.

I should note that at the time Jordan was most well known for the 2015 Fantastic Four movie :ravenstarfirelaughing: so this might explain why RT's random robot pitch was taken seriously. But even though he eventually went and did Black Panther :marseyblackpanther: :marseymoney: he still agreed to work on the project, apparently because he's a huge weeb and liked the idea personally. His company Outlier Society Productions even co-produced the show. Other names attached include Maisie Williams (Game of Thrones) Dakota Fanning (Independent movies apparently) Koichi Yamadera (Cowboy Bebop) and David Tennant (Doctor Who)

No, really

Work on Gen:LOCK started in ‘17 at which point Gray left CRWBY to work on Volume 5 without finishing his workload or finding a replacement :marseyderp: He also siphoned both funds and animators from other projects while still demanding every show hit their deadlines. It was at this point that RT started bringing on unpaid interns to finish their animation — more details on this in the "Controversies" section of my second RT effort post.

RWBY Volume 6 and Gen:LOCK were produced together through mandatory crunch time and free labor from interns promised a job at RT after 90 days only to be shown the door as soon their contracts expired :marseytroll: Gen:LOCK's development went well into the red and was pushed back to 2019. It's been estimated that both GL and Volume 6 had about a third of their seasons made entirely for free thanks to not paying overtime. People were working up to 80 hours a week, with management offering empty platitudes about the crunch and how they'd resolve it. The planned number of episodes was cut from 12 to 8. RT had a whole pipeline set up with Full Sail Animation to provide them with yet more interns for the meat grinder.

Finally Gen:LOCK premieres in January as a FIRST exclusive. The show did moderately well in viewership and reviews. A dedicated fandom formed — probably the third largest RT fandom behind RvB and RWBY if that means anything :marseyshrug: — and the show actually made it to syndication on Cartoon Network's Toonami.

But as such an expensive and time consuming production with Hollywood actors attached, Gen:LOCK broke RoosterTeeth's bank and fell into the trap of needing to be a massive, breakout hit in order to make any kind of profit. Since RWBY made a lot of money as an indie success story, RoosterTeeth had hoped something with more budget would make proportionally more profit.

Gen:LOCK was their animation department's biggest misstep and a significant reason why the decline became terminal. Gen:LOCK was simply too expensive and didn't prove to be worth the investment. None of the other shows were runaway successes either. In the grand scheme RT's animation department only served to drain the company's treasury.

In the wake of the show's release RoosterTeeth's ‘19 Glassdoor scandal broke and soured their reputation along with the myth of their being a great company for animators to get their foot in the door. The RT founders had apparently given Gray Haddock a lot of leeway in animation and were unpleasantly surprised to learn how the department had been handled. He resigned soon after and RT never attempted anything this ambitious again.

Gen:LOCK itself wasn't (quite) dead and in October it was announced that Season 2 would initially premiere with HBO Max before becoming available to FIRST members.

But RoosterTeeth simply did not have the capability to make such a show anymore and so HBO was given reins to write and produce while outsourcing the actual animation to the people who did Planet Sheen and Fanboy & Chum Chum. The Ship of Theseus that was season 2 released in November 2021 and, well, I've never heard of anyone who liked it. :marseyreluctant: Modern RWBY may not be great but it at least has an extremely dense fanbase conditioned over years to watch the show uncritically. Gen:LOCK died in its infancy and the few remaining fans mostly just ignore season 2 these days.

People are letting their nostalgia blind them as to what RT was at the time of its death: a corporate entity like any else, with widely documented worker-abuse issues. It's a shame that the studio that once pioneered independent animation on the internet became just another cog in the machine that was thrown out after it became useless, but it did it to itself.


Speaking of RWBY, this show too became more and more expensive with every season and had probably stopped being profitable by the time RT imploded. Volume 9 supposedly cost over 6.6 million to produce and had to be funded with help from Crunchyroll in exchange for an exclusivity deal.

Looking back it's a quiet miracle the show even lasted nine seasons. There was almost never a time something wasn't wrong with RoosterTeeth's animation department. In brief,

V1: No budget lol. The only reason RWBY is a 3D show/got made at all is because Monty was already used to the animation software and wasn't asking RoosterTeeth to go find a studio.

V2: No major problems, but…

V3: Monty dies :marseyrubyrosegenocide:

V4: Switched to another graphics program entirely. Shane's infamous letter also comes out around this time (detailed in the previous post) He and other Monty loyalists are dismissed from the company.

V5: This is when Gray Haddock began taking resources for Gen:LOCK. The volume also had more episodes than usual.

V6: Gen:LOCK problems continued. The Glassdoor scandal happened for RT. Actor Vic Mignogna :marseyqrowbranwen: was also fired from his role on sexual harassment allegations.

V7: No problems, however…

V8: Covid :marseycovidscare: and the Texas power crisis from Greg Abbot's paraplegic witch magic snow storm :marseyabbott: Also a longer season than normal

V9: Continued production issues from Covid. Made at the same time as the Justice League crossover movies. More RT workplace misconduct. Led to a 2 year hiatus.

V10: Isn't even greenlit. I'm bringing it up because CRWBY claimed in early March that preproduction was done and they were waiting for the go-ahead :ayno:

In retrospect cartoons pushed RoosterTeeth to its limit.

Collapsing Influence and Fading Influencers :marseyzoomerimplosion:



In this section we'll discuss the evolution of the podcast half of RoosterTeeth. Many of these changes represented attempts to reverse course on the company's decline or, in the case of some influencers, to get away from the sinking ship.

First I'll bring up the Let's Play family. To clarify, "let's plays" are videos where people would play a video game and, uh... that's it. IIRC they go back to the noughties and predate any real streaming personalities. Let's Play as a proper noun was created by Achievement Hunter as a channel specifically for their relevant let's plays, originally featuring videos from just the main six AH personalities with the videos uploaded to YouTube. As RT grew Let's Play also featured people from Funhaus and other Fullscreen aquired groups like ScrewAttack. Gradually this evolved into a larger network.

On May 31, 2017, it was announced that YouTubers JT Machinima, NoahJ456, LazarBeam, and Steven Suptic (now known as Sugar Pine 7) had joined Let's Play, with JT Machinima being the first of which to have merchandise sold through the RT Store. Others to eventually join include Criken2, James Buckley, BedBananas, Tomato Gaming, ChilledChaos, Retro Replay, Castle Super Beast, GaLm, and Tom Fawkes.

Yeah I haven't heard of most of these people either :marseywoozy: There was also Etika though and I remember him entirely through the rDrama gayop :etika: :marseygossipsmug:

As mentioned previously, the evolution of YouTube and changes made to its policies regarding advertising revenue hurt RoosterTeeth over time. Aside from trying to make up for it by expanding on FIRST and their own website, they noticed the Let's Play "family" had always been a consistent source of income and was relatively less affected by YouTube's evolution. They represented numerous personalities and different kinds of content that still appealed to the ever changing algorithm while having a low overhead that RT wasn't entirely responsible for. RT hoped the Let's Play group would keep them relevant no matter how YouTube continued to evolve.

Unfortunately they never succeeded in cultivating the goal of having this many more Achievement Hunters. The partners that were already hemorrhaging continued to do poorly and others simply declined to renew their contracts as soon as they were up. The successful members must have decided there wasn't much to gain from working with RT. Individual influencers certainly didn't appreciate RT's restrictions on their individual streaming. Ultimately the Let's Play family was pointless.

Funhaus used to be really good before they lost their whole cast and replaced them by the same kind of sanctimonious r-slurs that made the rest of roosterteeth unwatchable.

They removed all the edge that made funhouse great. The new cast would call hr if you tried to make them watch vr gay porn.

-- @OutKongged and @w1n5t0n

This is as good a time as any to bring up how RT podcasts and meta gaming content simply lost SOVL over time. The let's play formula Achievement Hunter pioneered requires entertaining people with chemistry. Parasocialmaxxers want to feel like they're watching friends play a game together. RT started sticking random "influencers" in front of the screen in the hopes of hitting it big on the algorithm, never mind that these were random people who didn't know each other and were always talking over each other. Losing more and more of their originals to scandals and retirement and replacing them with culture warrior/"zoomers like this kind of thing right?" types didn't help either.

The comedy that the original g*mer dudebro demographic liked disappeared and RT never grabbed the limited attention spans of youngins :marseywhirlyhat: to replace them.

I don't think there were any other major RT events and scandals left to cover so we're gonna start skipping ahead. The following developments are recent enough to overlap with the history of :capyblowkiss: and represent some of the final happenings in the history of the company.

In September '23 it was announced that RT's longrunning Achievement Hunter would no longer produce content. The stated reason for this was the entire AH cast moving onto different creative projects throughout Rooster Teeth -- BlackKrystel and Jack getting more involved at Inside Gaming, Ky working behind the scenes, Lindsay doing voice work and Twitch streams for RWBY V-Tubing, :marseypathetic2: and Geoff and Gavin doing the thing mentioned in a following section. Meanwhile Trevor, Michael, Alfredo, and Joe created an entirely new channel called Dogbark, which premiered its first video in October.

Michael and others apparently felt stifled by the AH name but even the RT community wasn't super enthusiastic and the subreddit left comments like the following,

I wish ya'll the best, and I'll give it a fair shot, but this video doesn't instill confidence guys.

Im gonna be honest this trailer just gave me "We're trying to be Smosh" vibes

"The community has consistently told us they dont like scripted shorts or improv bits and want us to just go back to being 4 to 6 friends playing games together and shooting the shit. So we have decided to move to a new channel that is exclusively scripted shorts and improv bits"


great to see them leaning into their weaknesses

Views were never great.

Always Open (aka the finger me podcast)

:marseyitsallsotiresome: DAE vaginas amirite, ladies?

-- @JimieWhales

In December Rt shut down All Good No Worries which was meant to be a network focusing on female fans (And yes :marseytrain:s were involved namely Charlotte from Funhaus) This was also the third and final time the Always Open podcast had been put on pause.

In the wake of Achievement Hunter's dissolution Geoff and Gavin started the FrickFace Podcast with Andrew Panton as well as becoming the new hosts of Let's Play. Some have said this was more akin to old AH because it was back to being a group of RT originals playing the games. This was one of the more active groups in RT's final hours.

The fact that this was announced 30 minutes before the end of rooster teeth

-- /r/frickfacepod

One of the funnier moments of RT's closing :marseymouse: Ratyboy Adventures is a game that Andrew Panton subjected FrickFace to in a Let's Play video. For whatever reason he then decided to buy the rights to the character and so on March 6th, 2024 it was announced that RatyBoy would become the official mascot of Let's Play.

This, erm, news came out just thirty minutes before it was announced RoosterTeeth as a whole would be shutting down :bruh:

Anyway, this is just some noteworthy tidbits from RT's very late history. Remember the true and boring background cause of their collapse was declining ratings and stagnation over time.

The Fall :marseymasterchiefgenocide:

RT's cause of death is via shooting themselves in the foot way too much over the years, or death via a million and one papercuts if you prefer. A studio like theirs surviving twenty-one years should be a success story, but they've been treading water for so long it doesn't feel that way, and despite many fans being upset with WBD, for all we know, they only pulled the plug once RT's brain function fully stopped.

-- /r/RWBYcritics

And now we reach the end. :dumstickdancer:

Since it's not a podcast I'll mention in this section that the last RTX convention was held in ‘23. The majority of the event staff was laid off later that year and in December General Manager Jordan Levin announced the cancellation of RTX 2024. He notably cited that the conventions had never been profitable. This was a major red flag to even the staunchest RoosterTeeth fan since the conventions had always been an important way of promoting projects and making deals with other companies.

Remember Red vs. Blue, the show that started all of this? RT continued making it over the 10's, even after RWBY became the primary IP and even after Bungie's Halo transitioned over to 343 :marseyhelp: After 18 :marseyspitmoji: seasons it was finally announced in July ‘23 that the longrunning web show, the longest in American history besides maybe Homestar Runner :marseytrogdor: would end with the following season. I'm not sure if this was the result of RT's imminent closure or not but the RvB finale ended up being a movie instead of a full season, Red vs. Blue: Restoration. This is set to premiere in May of this year making it one of the last RT productions.

Most people considered RT's announcement to be a long overdue mercy kill to the Halo series people once watched on their CRT monitors :marseyboomer: But it's fitting in the end that Red vs. Blue lasted as long as RoosterTeeth itself.

My favourite quote from the Rooster Teeth subreddit today:

For me personally, Rooster Teeth shutting down feels like the equivalent to an ex-spouse getting killed in an accident.


The decision to shut down RoosterTeeth came from Warner Bros Discovery. As far as I know there isn't a specific reason why it was closed down last month other than a simple case of bean counters taking a hard look at the data. Warner Bros itself has been having money issues lately and under the reign of Daddy Zaslav they've been slashing expenses left and right. 2023 saw RoosterTeeth announce that RTX was unprofitable, the end of Achievement Hunter, the end of Red vs. Blue, and the admission RWBY's last two seasons had gone over budget and that the show itself wouldn't have continued without Crunchyroll's support. It's not hard to see why WB didn't let it go on another year.

Everything RT that still exists; Funhaus, Frickface, The RoosterTeeth Podcast (Formerly The Drunk Tank), CRWBY, and whatever else is currently being looked over by WB execs (picture that for a moment :mjlol:) IPs like RWBY and Gen:LOCK are allegedly being shopped around for potential buyers alongside the podcast and gaming networks.

Worth noting that on April 8th it was announced the Roost Podcast Network (not the same as the regular RoosterTeeth Podcast :marseyconfused2:) had been sold by WB to Night, a digital talent management company. I think this represents the first sale of a former RT property.

I'll also clarify that March 6th was only the shut down announcement date and that RT is going to continue operating until early May. This might be because Texas law requires employers to give at least 60 day notices before layoffs actually start. Funhaus and Frickface at least will continue until then and the RvB movie is supposedly still coming out.

Late Stage RWBY :marseyjwby:

RT died with a whimper, and RWBY died with a teenage girl committing suicide because she gave up hope and nobody cared about her, which was very prophetic if you ask me. Salem's goal was the world's longest suicide note, which is fitting because that's what happened to RWBY and RT as a whole.


You may be wondering how RWBY was doing throughout all this? As evidenced by the thread quotes RWBY fans had gotten a little unhinged by the time the show's last volume rolled around. The fandom divide was thoroughly entrenched and people started acting like very soy echoes of dramanauts. RWBY became less a show and more a vector for online antics where the terminally online would fling :crap: at each other and celebrate if anything happened to the other side :marseyreportmaxxer2: Honestly the evolution of the FNDM's "culture" could be its own effortpost but it's also kind of hard to translate for normie comprehension :marseysphinx:

Regarding the civil war, those hardcore fans rabidly loyal to CRWBY — largely represented by showrunners Miles Luna and Kerry Shawcross — are known for having parasocial relationships with crew members not so unlike people who followed specific AH or Funhaus personalities. The writers preferred to interact with them over any unfair and mean spirited critics :marseyindignant: and certain developments like Blake and Yang being together :marseydose: are accused of being bones of appeasement thrown their way for ratings. The most hardcore CRWBY stans outright hate Monty and basically anyone who left the show's development for any reason because they're not seen as part of current RWBY.

The other half are the heckin chud critics — though really it's about one part :chudjakdancing: one part :marseysoylentgrin: and two parts :marseypizzashill: :marseylongpost: but for fantasy waifu slop. These guys haven't liked RWBY in a long time and have been waiting patiently for it to end either out of desire for a reboot or because of pure schadenfreude.

This divide is very serious business :marseyweeb: in places like Reddit i.e. posting regularly in /r/RWBYcritics grants an automatic ban from /r/RWBY :marseyjanny:

For those of you mayo scrotes who watch video essays :marseycringe2: one of more infamous RWBY fandom developments came from a critical video by hbomberguy. Idk who he really is honestly :marseyprojectiongenocide: but his three hour video in which he simply points out how disappointing RWBY is/has become set the FNDM on fire and was otherwise good for dramacoin :marseycoin: I don't consider this sort of thing to be news but I'm bringing it up because to this day you can really make RWBY weirdos :marseycopeseethedilate: just by reminding them it exists. Any criticism of CRWBY's precious little baby is not allowed :marseyflagnorthkorea:

Moistcritikal also apparently made a negative comment about RWBY once though I don't think it was a whole video. He's also on the :marseyseven: list

As mentioned earlier CRWBY went through a difficult production period post Covid, but though it took almost two extra years and outside funding to make it happen, they finally did finish Volume 9 as of last year alongside the two Justice League movies that Kang really loved and recommends you watch. As Volume 9 finally ended its Crunchyroll exclusivity and premiered on RT just these past few months, CRWBY also announced they'd wrapped up preproduction on Volume 10 (though they do tend to exaggerate how much they've done at any time) and were just waiting for the green light on funding. When this didn't immediately happen, the poor bastards even started appealing directly to the fans at places like RTX for support :marseysmug3:

But with the extra content that's come out since Volume 9, there's also evidence CRWBY could see the writing on the walls and that they were preparing Volume 10 as a possible last season though they'd previously claimed to have a 12 Volume roadmap for the entire story.

They were just one Volume short in the end :itsoverjapanese:

The Fate of RWBY :cardinwinchester:

This is the first comment on the first thread I clicked on in rwbycritics:

"It's strange, while my countrymen cheer the beast's fall, I feel a strange melancholy, after all these years, what once was filled with majesty and pride, goes out not with a blaze of glory, but a whimper in the dark."

So that's how they're taking it


Obviously RoosterTeeth's shutdown kills RWBY too since this former passion project now costs seven figures a season to produce. The true fate of the IP is entirely in the air though. The legal rights now belong to Warner Bros or one of the other companies under them in the family tree and it remains to be seen what will happen. Meanwhile a spattering of newish RWBY developments have happened since March 6th.

Volume 9's release on RT FIRST still happened as planned. In a rare moment of RT generosity it was announced that all RWBY content would be free on the RoostrTeeth site until closure. (Though this does track with their treatment of FIRST members :marseyfrygenocide:) As it wrapped up CRWBY actually released a slightly extended version of the season's epilogue, albeit it took the form of an unfinished animatic.

This leads into RWBY: Beyond, a four episode "storybook anthology" that will represent the last official CRWBY content and otherwise wrap up RoosterTeeth's tenure with the show. It actually premieres today :marseyfluffy:

Unfortunately all the post RWBY shutdown content looks like this since the budget's gone.

But at least there's something since otherwise the below image would be true.

Alas the Justice League movies still represent the last properly animated RWBY content ever made by RoosterTeeth.

So what will happen to RWBY now? It entirely depends on whether WB finds a buyer or not and whether or not they can agree on a price. Unless some exec decides there's a lot of potential in the RWBY x DC stuff I doubt they'll want to make use of the IP especially since they'd have to find new producers.

Remember Dillon Gu and Shane Newville from earlier? After being banished from RoosterTeeth for violating the CRWBY Covenant they went on to have their own animation studio and make videos like the one above. A lot of the studio's work is obviously RWBY inspired.

Dillon Gu has expressed interest in acquiring RWBY but I doubt they have the money Warner Bros will ask for. I'm still bringing it up because all the nerds are hoping for this so it could be a good source of seethe if it doesn't happen that way. :marseydevil: :marseynerdgenocide:

The most likely potential buyer is probably Crunchyroll. RWBY has actually been one of their most popular shows over the years and was fairly popular in Japan for a western series. In fact RWBY was the most watched anime in Japan on Crunchyroll for the 2010's.

For the moment RWBY will remain on Crunchyroll even after the RT website disappears and if nothing else WB will talk to Crunchyroll about renewing that deal or not. It's quite possible Crunchyroll will look into buying the IP though it's not confirmed yet.

If no one buys RWBY then it will remain in the hands of Daddy Zaslav :marseysuit: WB is the same company that made a Batgirl and Wile E. Coyote movie and chose not to release them. With the latter WB didn't even negotiate with attempted distributors. They just opened with an unreasonably high offer and refused to respond to counter offers.

So yeah who knows what'll happen to RWBY. I just wanted a fighting game out of it :marseythebloodedgepat:


They are Austin, Texascels who drank California grade wokism but didn't have ANY of the California chuds or safety rails to rein in their bullshit and quickly alienated their fanbase.


They had frickin huge billboard ads up in the heart of Austin overlooking i35 for the lazer team release- probably some of the most expensive in the city. :marseyspecial:, all of them.


I've only tangentially followed the fall of Roosterteeth as a podcast I listen to was on their network, but in general I deeply hate how what ten years ago was framed as “independent creators can make things” has become so many levels of frickery.


It's their 20th anniversary this year, and literal no one gives a frick. It's absolutely :marseydeadinside2: that this company that was pretty well loved on the internet and had a big enough fanbase to support a yearly convention has petered out to a corpse that's being puppeted by media corpos. I remember religious watching up to 2015 and leaving when Ray did. It's telling that Ray even gets brought up anymore going on 8 years since his exit. :marseyitsover:


I've written three effortposts now so I don't have a lot to say here. Really I'm just waiting to see what happens to RWBY.

It is sad yet interesting to me that RoosterTeeth was in decline for as long as they'd been successful if not longer. No one was surprised to hear they'd be shut down. Most people only reminisced about when they'd been better.

If you want more info this hobbydrama post, while a little soy, :soysnoo: is pretty informative especially regarding the podcasts and how YouTube's policy changes harmed RT over time.

And for you ypipo out there here's a YouTube video essay

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ProterozoicBussy wanted me to quote him so I went to his profile on an alt and saw this and anyway I fulfilled my end of the bargain.

Also if any of you dramanauts have RWBY: Grimm Eclipse on Xbox then HMU I still need the four person achievements before the servers maybe go offline.


First of all, this is a "boomer"??

Anyway, our future physicians cope about this ladys post, especially the mention of snowflakes :marseypearlclutch:

The snowflake thing is absolutely unhinged, but when I was in med school I felt like a dumbass for not knowing about the “hidden curriculum” of third year.

A ton of the kids that matched top specialties had 0, and I mean ZERO clinical knowledge cuz they were leaving the hospital every opportunity to study for shelves/steps and emailing people about research during clinic instead of seeing patients. I rotated with someone who - after 2 month of OBGYN where most of us were at the hospital 90 hours a week - still hadn't done a single pelvic exam. I logged 137 in that same time. Same person never saw a kid in our busy peds bucket clinic for a month where we averaged 50 kids a day (for clinic, not individual student/resident team). I could go on, but she is now an orthopedic surgeon (though not a good one from what I hear)

So your doctor might be r-slurred btw...

I don't see much wrong with this tbh….

She said "snowflake", which triggered people. Go figure.

Yup. Cancel culture in medicine is almost as bad as hollywood/music labels. Really gotta tip toe around all the issues… proving her correct (-4)


Once you get to the clinical years, you quickly drop the "snow flake" training and just start doing medicine. No one is asking the person with acute mesenteric ischemia what their pronouns are. This is a dumb butt take. (+9)


Based boomer. 100% correct. (+6)

:marseybased: wait WTF suddenly i love doctors, even redditor ones

Did anyone actually think Bottoms was funny?

Could not get beyond the first few minutes. The humor seemed nonexistent. Is this what Gen Z finds funny? Maybe lesbians like these “jokes”? I have no idea who was laughing at this but I saw many reviews raving about how hilarious it was, and am now perplexed.

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Who's awesome? I'm awesome. :marseymirror: : marseymirror :
Made this one awhile back but forgot about it, I really love what I did with the mirror transparency
:#marseymirror: after re-purposing an old unused/forgotten marsey :marseycool:

tags: lookmax cool sunglasses reflection narcissism narcissistic vain selfish esteem awesome

Kidding aside the OG is by @TheRealChapose :marseycool!:


Why are white "men" like this? :marseybeandoge:




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