Tussy is just so much easier to get than gussy, it’s no surprise men prefer it
I’ve unironically slept with a triple digit number of trans kweens just because of how easily available tussy is in nyc. And also because I love feminine penis but still
It’s all about grindr, it makes it so easy. In Manhattan I’m centrally located so there’s always plenty of options within a 5 mile radius. I just filter for trans, send out nudes, and see who responds. You have to wade through prostitutes but as long as you’re hot and have quality nudes it’s still stupid easy and as a former nerd I’m a sucker for the attention and validation
Goddamn, big slut if true.
I’m most definitely a huge slut, this was only over a 1.5 year period too. Usually I would open the app towards the end of the day at work and find someone on my way home
My bf told me he could use grindr and have someone over within the hour to suck his dick. I could not believe how right he was. Then I got jealous and made him delete it lol.
Grindr is fucking ridiculous lmao, my straight friends are blown away at how stupidly easy it is to get laid and I'm even playing on hard mode filtering for trans. I make it as clear as possible everywhere I can that I'm not interested in men and I still get bombarded with men literally begging me to suck my dick or fuck them
That + the sheer amount of men offering me money for them to suck my dick, smell my socks, watch me masturbate, or dress them up as girls was honestly staggering
Seriously, the few hours we played on it together he was getting pictures of the most gorgeous traps, endless dick pics, and a lot of old man ass. It was funny at first but then it seriously started to bother me lol.
I took literally zero precautions and occasionally was piss drunk and would just use people to crash at their place when mine was too far. If someone wanted to rob or murder me it would’ve been stupid easy
Someone different every time?
Yep
Also, since you seem like the noncommittal type of guy, did you face any problems with anyone wanting more than just a one-time hookup thing? I expect not given Grindr's reputation, but I'm curious.
Most of them just wanted to hookup, they had endless options and wanted to try new things too. I had some dates too though and I’m actually currently dating a post op girl I met from the app
"Some of my male colleagues where talking about this once, they all agreed that fucking a 'passable TiM would be less gay than fucking a woman with short hair or unshaven legs. And honestly I don't think any of these men where gay/bi, I think men actually see womanhood as long hair, dresses and makeup"
How much you wanna bet that u/wdesafgrh is coping for their lack of femininity?
All other differences, at least psychological differences causing dress and hairstyle preferences, are a social construct created by the patriarchy to control female sexuality, and should be abolished.
(seriously btw, you're talking about this wrong, as if a person has true "sex" and we are trying to discover it by looking at distinguishing features. Now that is a social construct!)
Naming something doesn't mean we constructed it. Anyway, I'm talking about physical differences between females and males, which based on your comment you acknowledge exist.
Womanhood, as in the reality of being a woman. So things like periods, colder in temperature, predisposition to certain illnesses, etc. None of it has to be feminine to be part of being a woman.
And honestly I don't think any of these men where gay/bi, I think men actually see womanhood as long hair, dresses and makeup
Womanhood, as in the reality of being a woman. So things like periods, colder in temperature, predisposition to certain illnesses, etc. None of it has to be feminine to be part of being a woman.
Do you expect men to be sexually attracted to period cramps and cervical cancer?
People are not attracted to "the sex", they are attracted to individuals because of the traits those individuals possess. And being susceptible to cervical or breast cancer is neither highly visible nor particularly attractive trait.
Are you autistic btw? The way you confuse your internal perception of womanhood and what other people are supposed to be attracted to is suggestive, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally–Anne_test. Nothing is wrong with being autistic, except that you need to pay attention and make effort to overcome the incorrect patterns of thought the condition might produce. Keep in mind that autism is severely underdiagnosed in women unfortunately.
Someone who claims to be heterosexual is indicating that they're attracted to the opposite sex. They don't have to be attracted to all members of the opposite sex, obviously-- just those of the opposite sex with traits that they find attractive. What you are describing (attraction to either sex) is bisexuality, or 'pansexuality' if you want to dig deeper. No, I'm not autistic.
Someone who claims to be heterosexual is indicating that they're attracted to the opposite sex.
The question is what are heterosexual men supposed to see as womanhood to be attracted to: "long hair, dresses and makeup" or PMS and certain kinds of cancers. Or the cunt. Do you realize that you're confused and saying confused things?
The question is what are heterosexual men supposed to see as womanhood to be attracted to
Read the way the conversation unfolded. I already said no, I don't expect men to be attracted to cervical cancer (wtf), but I expect self-declared straight' men to be attracted to women, i.e. the sex who experiences cervical cancer.
To answer you more specifically, heterosexual men experience a wide range of what they find sexually attractive in women. Long hair, short hair, big, petite, whatever. It's not up to me to define what type of woman they find attractive! I'm just saying that if they're heterosexual, then they wouldn't go for a dude just because the dude is 'feminine'. And femininity =/= womanhood.
To answer you more specifically, heterosexual men experience a wide range of what pieces of womanhood they find sexually attractive. Long hair, short hair, big, petite, whatever.
None of that is a part of what you defined as womanhood. The sets do not intersect.
I'm just saying that if they're heterosexual, then they wouldn't go for a dude just because the dude is 'feminine'. And femininity =/= womanhood.
Are guys supposed to be attracted to femininity or womanhood?
Can you explain your position plainly, with examples supporting each definition? What is femininity, what is womanhood, what are heterosexual men supposed to be attracted to.
Femininity = Stereotypical graceful, demure appearance/behavior. A man can be feminine.
Womanhood = Reality of being a woman and all that it encompasses.
Heterosexual = Opposite sex-attracted. For example, men who are attracted to masculine women are not gay.
Womanhood stereotypically carries with it 'feminine' traits such as shortness, smaller frame, wide hips, thicker thighs, slender neck, high voice, etc., which often draw sexual attraction. But womanhood also carries things unlikely to draw sexual attraction like pain receptor differences, reaction time differences, blood differences, obviously hormone level differences, even fingerprint differences.
physiologically sexually attractive aspects of female gender: shortness, smaller frame, wide hips, thicker thighs, slender neck, high voice, etc. And the vagina.
womanhood = physiologically sexually attractive aspects + menstruation and cancers. Sometimes without a vagina (after it got cancer).
men are attracted to: socially + physiologically sexually attractive aspects.
transesses possess: socially + physiologically sexually attractive aspects except for a working vagina.
Also, 'transesses' usually retain masculine features like narrow hips, wide shoulders, male gait due to being male, prominent facial features etc. Hence why things like vocal chord surgery, FFS, and shoulder reduction are sought ventures for those who wish to fully 'pass'.
Like I've been saying, though, heterosexuality is defined by opposite-sex attraction-- not all members of, but individuals of that you particularly find attractive from that group. Are you of the opinion that femininity-attracted in both sexes = heterosexual?
Btw re: intersecting, it's-- femininity is X, womanhood is Y, and heterosexual men may be attracted to women for a mix of X and Y. For instance, many men are attracted to women's ability to give birth.
Hence why things like vocal chord surgery, FFS, and shoulder reduction are sought ventures for those who wish to fully 'pass'.
Yeah, and also HRT changes a lot of things.
So if you would call a woman who's attracted to a buzz cut dyke heterosexual, you probably should extend the same courtesy to a male attracted to Blaire White, because aside from the genitals, the latter is more feminine (socially and physiologically) than the former.
Like I've been saying, though, heterosexuality is defined by opposite-sex attraction
Consider the fact that most women wouldn't let a man see their genitals for days of courtship that demonstrates attraction and commitment.
So if you would call a woman who's attracted to a buzz cut dyke heterosexual
I wouldn't. That's lesbian.
Assuming you didn't see my edit to add, I'll paste since hopefully it clarifies--
Btw re: intersecting, it's-- femininity is X, womanhood is Y, and heterosexual men may be attracted to women for a mix of X and Y. For instance, many men are attracted to women's ability to give birth.
Moving on-
Consider the fact that most women wouldn't let a man see their genitals for days of courtship that demonstrates attraction and commitment.
Consider that most transwomen don't pass and are easily clocked in person regardless. What you're describing is statistically rare to the point of negligence. But in the rare event that a heterosexual man is genuinely tricked and thus genuinely surprised to find out that a person has a penis, the attraction would dissolve upon realization. A bisexual man would continue forward.
Btw, look up 'gynesexual' since that seems to be where this conversation is leading.
For instance, many men are attracted to women's ability to give birth.
Yeah, and many men are incapable of enjoying sex that's not strictly for procreation, that is with a woman unless she's currently fertile and no condom is involved. In fact the majority of men can't and don't masturbate because that doesn't result in children.
But in the rare event that a heterosexual man is genuinely tricked and thus genuinely surprised to find out that a person has a penis, the attraction would dissolve upon realization.
Yeah, and many men are incapable of enjoying sex that's not strictly for procreation, that is with a woman unless she's currently fertile and no condom is involved. In fact the majority of men can't and don't masturbate because that doesn't result in children.
Sarcasm and not making a point worth debating.
This is an unsupported statement.
Well, it's supported by the definition of 'heterosexual'.
Since you asked if I was autistic, I suppose it's appropriate to ask if you're gynesexual (a bisexual man who's attracted to perceived femininity) yet personally invested in not 'giving up' self-declared 'straight' status?
It made a point through negation: that what men (or people in general) are sexually attracted to is not teleological at all, see a bunch of examples. Humans are adaptation-executors, not fitness-maximizers.
While you seem to be committed to the idea that the mechanism of sexual attraction was not merely shaped by evolution to work passably enough, but also includes the evolution-endorsed goal of having as many grandchildren as possible implicitly and functionally, as in, if I realize that I'm not going to have grandchildren from some sexual encounter, my penis immediately deflates. It does not.
Well, it's supported by the definition of 'heterosexual'.
We are discussing this definition, lmao.
I suppose it's appropriate to ask if you're gynesexual (a bisexual man who's attracted to perceived femininity) yet personally invested in not 'giving up' self-declared 'straight' status?
I won't fuck neither Buck Angel nor some cute dickgirl, but I understand the people who would.
t made a point through negation: that what men (or people in general) are sexually attracted to is not teleological at all, see a bunch of examples. Humans are adaptation-executors, not fitness-maximizers. While you seem to be committed to the idea that the mechanism of sexual attraction . . .
Nope, I'm not making some overarching point about why some men are heterosexual and some men are bisexual. I'm stating what heterosexuality is and clarifying that it doesn't entail homosexual and/or bisexual attraction regardless of the individual's perceived femininity levels. Simple femininity attraction is bisexual aka gynesexual. If you have anything new to add, please let me know.
Someone who is gynesexual identifies as being attracted to femininity or the female anatomy, regardless of whether the object of one's affection identifies as a woman.
Appealing to dictionaries is not a valid move when the dictionary definitions are in dispute.
Someone who is gynesexual identifies as being attracted to femininity or the female anatomy, regardless of whether the object of one's affection identifies as a woman.
Besides the above, that's such a trainwreck of a definition. Whether or not the object of attraction has a PENIS is not included somehow, wtf? Was it written by a feeble minded woman or something? Why are you quoting a definition that doesn't involve having a PENIS at me as if to disprove my silly ideas that having a PENIS is not the ultimate arbiter of whether some attraction is gay or het?
Wha? I don't think the penis is the end-all be-all, as many transwomen cut off their penises but are still of the male sex. Actually, there are even men called 'nullos' who cut off their penises and continue to gender-ID 'male'. Regardless of one's gender identity or penis... situation, male-male sex is not heterosexual.
I'm not going to go much further in defining words and debating their definitions. But if you have anything new to add, please let me know.
There is no end-all be-all. Maleness, like femaleness, encompasses a large number of traits, a sum of all parts. But the most defining trigger, I suppose, is the SRY gene.
Do you possess an X-Ray vision ability that allows you to be exclusively attracted to people having the SRY gene?
Listen, don't you see how retarded you sound doubling down on genes when you can't explain even the fact that most men are sexually attracted to stuff that doesn't include genitals because they are not allowed to see genitals before they get firmly sexually attracted and attached.
The correct response to tranny nonsense is "I respect your brain's identification of you as a female, please respect my brain's identification of you as a male", not the opposite nonsense you're typing here.
Not the retarded retreat from "women have cunts" to "women have XX chromosomes" which you yourself recognized as retarded and denigrating since you felt the need to argue against my comment that started this shit.
they are not allowed to see genitals before they get firmly sexually attracted and attached.
Touched on before:
Consider that most transwomen don't pass and are easily clocked in person regardless. What you're describing is statistically rare to the point of negligence. But in the rare event that a heterosexual man is genuinely tricked and thus genuinely surprised to find out that a person has a penis, the attraction would dissolve upon realization. A bisexual man would continue forward.
As a heterosexual woman, this is how it goes for me. FTMs generally pass better than MTFs. But I'm not attracted to vaginas nor phalloplasties.
As a heterosexual woman, this is how it goes for me.
Note though that you have a leg-up over lesbians, because they can't even claim that their attraction to other women is caused by the desire to get pregnant. In the lesbians' case the whole thing is laid bare: we are adaptation-executors, not teleological optimizers.
You don't deny a lesbian's attraction to another woman on the grounds that she couldn't possibly have it because she can't impregnate the other woman's womb.
Similarly, you shouldn't reduce male sexuality to the teleological desire to have grandchildren.
I'm not frustrated, but you keep thinking I'm saying things that I'm not. I never reduced any sexuality to teleological desire. What I have said is that opposite-sex attraction does not include male(sex)-male(sex) attraction. (I also said that opposite sex attraction does often, but not necessarily, include attraction to non-stereotypically-lusted-after biological traits rather than just the usual draws or even performative presentations i.e. perceived femininity).
What I have said is that opposite-sex attraction does not include male(sex)-male(sex) attraction.
How do you define sex and how do you justify your definition?
Before you seemed to use a teleological definition based on what's required to successfully reproduce, because naturalistic fallacy and stuff. I'm pointing out that that excludes both trannies and lesbians.
Sex refers to the biological characteristics that define humans as
female or male. These sets of biological characteristics are not mutually exclusive, because there are individuals who are born with physical or biological sex characteristics who do not fit the traditional definitions of female or male (intersex).
Do you believe that whales and whale-related activities should be overseen by the Department of Forestry rather than the Department of Fishery, since whales are not fish?
You're essentially arguing that food isn't real or a valid concept because you might try to eat a rock that's painted like a mango if someone put it in a grocery store
The question was whether saying that something is a planet or not constructs the category of planets as something physical. That's a very good example, because before 2006 the definition of planet was "orbits the star directly, is in hydrostatic equilibrium (i.e. is round because of its own mass)", while in 2006 an extra condition was added, "has cleared its orbital neighborhood", and just like that Solar system had 8 planets instead of 9, without any actual physical deconstruction obviously.
I'm a mature (computing) student, and recently one of the other students in my group was talking fairly loudly and openly about having a discussion with his mother, regarding him having an STD, in the context of a history of anal sex with his transgender ex-'girlfriend'.
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2 Somenakedguy 2019-10-13
Tussy is just so much easier to get than gussy, it’s no surprise men prefer it
I’ve unironically slept with a triple digit number of trans kweens just because of how easily available tussy is in nyc. And also because I love feminine penis but still
1 trappysaruh 2019-10-13
1 Somenakedguy 2019-10-13
I’m not usually into mayos but I’d make an exception for you bb 😘
1 genuinegrill 2019-10-13
Really? Like random encounters at a bar easy or there are a lot on hookup apps easy? Just trying to gauge the exact amount of presence.
Goddamn, big slut if true.
2 Somenakedguy 2019-10-13
It’s all about grindr, it makes it so easy. In Manhattan I’m centrally located so there’s always plenty of options within a 5 mile radius. I just filter for trans, send out nudes, and see who responds. You have to wade through prostitutes but as long as you’re hot and have quality nudes it’s still stupid easy and as a former nerd I’m a sucker for the attention and validation
I’m most definitely a huge slut, this was only over a 1.5 year period too. Usually I would open the app towards the end of the day at work and find someone on my way home
1 Amerskin 2019-10-13
My bf told me he could use grindr and have someone over within the hour to suck his dick. I could not believe how right he was. Then I got jealous and made him delete it lol.
2 Somenakedguy 2019-10-13
Grindr is fucking ridiculous lmao, my straight friends are blown away at how stupidly easy it is to get laid and I'm even playing on hard mode filtering for trans. I make it as clear as possible everywhere I can that I'm not interested in men and I still get bombarded with men literally begging me to suck my dick or fuck them
That + the sheer amount of men offering me money for them to suck my dick, smell my socks, watch me masturbate, or dress them up as girls was honestly staggering
1 Amerskin 2019-10-13
Seriously, the few hours we played on it together he was getting pictures of the most gorgeous traps, endless dick pics, and a lot of old man ass. It was funny at first but then it seriously started to bother me lol.
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1 Danny__Treadname 2019-10-13
How many AIDS do you have now
1 Somenakedguy 2019-10-13
Zero because I was on Prep
1 Danny__Treadname 2019-10-13
Pretty excited for Truvada-resistant methamphetAIDS.
1 rDramaWorstsubreddit 2019-10-13
If theres a god.
1 genuinegrill 2019-10-13
aaaaa
1 Somenakedguy 2019-10-13
I used a condom maybe 25-30% of the time at best and somehow never got an std
I guess I’m super lucky?
1 genuinegrill 2019-10-13
aaaaaaaa
1 Somenakedguy 2019-10-13
I took literally zero precautions and occasionally was piss drunk and would just use people to crash at their place when mine was too far. If someone wanted to rob or murder me it would’ve been stupid easy
Yep
Most of them just wanted to hookup, they had endless options and wanted to try new things too. I had some dates too though and I’m actually currently dating a post op girl I met from the app
1 Danny__Treadname 2019-10-13
Its "sex with men" easy.
1 Somenakedguy 2019-10-13
It’s not tho, supply and demand still exists. You have to be hot if you’re not expecting to pay. With men literally anyone can get laid at any time
1 Danny__Treadname 2019-10-13
yeah
1 genuinegrill 2019-10-13
bahaja
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1 POST_BUSSY 2019-10-13
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1 mackson2000 2019-10-13
"Some of my male colleagues where talking about this once, they all agreed that fucking a 'passable TiM would be less gay than fucking a woman with short hair or unshaven legs. And honestly I don't think any of these men where gay/bi, I think men actually see womanhood as long hair, dresses and makeup"
How much you wanna bet that u/wdesafgrh is coping for their lack of femininity?
1 POST_BUSSY 2019-10-13
Unfortunately we can't mean ping 😭
1 mackson2000 2019-10-13
Its not a mean ping, merely an observation.
1 POST_BUSSY 2019-10-13
I wish but admins have swung the ban hammer for much less.
1 mackson2000 2019-10-13
I'll slightly edit the comment.
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
Femininity is having a cunt. There's nothing more to being a woman than her cunt.
t. radfems 😏
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
an easy way to distinguish opposite sexes =/= the ways in which the opposite sexes are different
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
All other differences, at least psychological differences causing dress and hairstyle preferences, are a social construct created by the patriarchy to control female sexuality, and should be abolished.
(seriously btw, you're talking about this wrong, as if a person has true "sex" and we are trying to discover it by looking at distinguishing features. Now that is a social construct!)
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
Naming something doesn't mean we constructed it. Anyway, I'm talking about physical differences between females and males, which based on your comment you acknowledge exist.
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
Unless you can perform an experiment that could in principle show that you named something incorrectly, that's exactly what it means.
And which other physical differences do you consider to be parts of "femininity"? Low grip strength? Relatively hairless body?
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
Womanhood, as in the reality of being a woman. So things like periods, colder in temperature, predisposition to certain illnesses, etc. None of it has to be feminine to be part of being a woman.
2 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
Do you expect men to be sexually attracted to period cramps and cervical cancer?
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
No, but I expect 'straight' men to be attracted to the sex who experiences them.
2 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
People are not attracted to "the sex", they are attracted to individuals because of the traits those individuals possess. And being susceptible to cervical or breast cancer is neither highly visible nor particularly attractive trait.
Are you autistic btw? The way you confuse your internal perception of womanhood and what other people are supposed to be attracted to is suggestive, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally–Anne_test. Nothing is wrong with being autistic, except that you need to pay attention and make effort to overcome the incorrect patterns of thought the condition might produce. Keep in mind that autism is severely underdiagnosed in women unfortunately.
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
Someone who claims to be heterosexual is indicating that they're attracted to the opposite sex. They don't have to be attracted to all members of the opposite sex, obviously-- just those of the opposite sex with traits that they find attractive. What you are describing (attraction to either sex) is bisexuality, or 'pansexuality' if you want to dig deeper. No, I'm not autistic.
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
The question is what are heterosexual men supposed to see as womanhood to be attracted to: "long hair, dresses and makeup" or PMS and certain kinds of cancers. Or the cunt. Do you realize that you're confused and saying confused things?
2 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
Read the way the conversation unfolded. I already said no, I don't expect men to be attracted to cervical cancer (wtf), but I expect self-declared straight' men to be attracted to women, i.e. the sex who experiences cervical cancer.
To answer you more specifically, heterosexual men experience a wide range of what they find sexually attractive in women. Long hair, short hair, big, petite, whatever. It's not up to me to define what type of woman they find attractive! I'm just saying that if they're heterosexual, then they wouldn't go for a dude just because the dude is 'feminine'. And femininity =/= womanhood.
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
None of that is a part of what you defined as womanhood. The sets do not intersect.
Are guys supposed to be attracted to femininity or womanhood?
Can you explain your position plainly, with examples supporting each definition? What is femininity, what is womanhood, what are heterosexual men supposed to be attracted to.
3 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
Femininity = Stereotypical graceful, demure appearance/behavior. A man can be feminine.
Womanhood = Reality of being a woman and all that it encompasses.
Heterosexual = Opposite sex-attracted. For example, men who are attracted to masculine women are not gay.
Womanhood stereotypically carries with it 'feminine' traits such as shortness, smaller frame, wide hips, thicker thighs, slender neck, high voice, etc., which often draw sexual attraction. But womanhood also carries things unlikely to draw sexual attraction like pain receptor differences, reaction time differences, blood differences, obviously hormone level differences, even fingerprint differences.
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
So now you produced three pairwise non-intersecting sets of traits associated with femininity, womanhood, and what men are attracted to. Smdh fam.
Let me help you, maybe?
socially sexually attractive aspects of female gender: behavior, makeup, hairstyle, dress.
physiologically sexually attractive aspects of female gender: shortness, smaller frame, wide hips, thicker thighs, slender neck, high voice, etc. And the vagina.
womanhood = physiologically sexually attractive aspects + menstruation and cancers. Sometimes without a vagina (after it got cancer).
men are attracted to: socially + physiologically sexually attractive aspects.
transesses possess: socially + physiologically sexually attractive aspects except for a working vagina.
2 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
Also, 'transesses' usually retain masculine features like narrow hips, wide shoulders, male gait due to being male, prominent facial features etc. Hence why things like vocal chord surgery, FFS, and shoulder reduction are sought ventures for those who wish to fully 'pass'.
Like I've been saying, though, heterosexuality is defined by opposite-sex attraction-- not all members of, but individuals of that you particularly find attractive from that group. Are you of the opinion that femininity-attracted in both sexes = heterosexual?
Btw re: intersecting, it's-- femininity is X, womanhood is Y, and heterosexual men may be attracted to women for a mix of X and Y. For instance, many men are attracted to women's ability to give birth.
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
Yeah, and also HRT changes a lot of things.
So if you would call a woman who's attracted to a buzz cut dyke heterosexual, you probably should extend the same courtesy to a male attracted to Blaire White, because aside from the genitals, the latter is more feminine (socially and physiologically) than the former.
Consider the fact that most women wouldn't let a man see their genitals for days of courtship that demonstrates attraction and commitment.
2 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
I wouldn't. That's lesbian.
Assuming you didn't see my edit to add, I'll paste since hopefully it clarifies--
Moving on-
Consider that most transwomen don't pass and are easily clocked in person regardless. What you're describing is statistically rare to the point of negligence. But in the rare event that a heterosexual man is genuinely tricked and thus genuinely surprised to find out that a person has a penis, the attraction would dissolve upon realization. A bisexual man would continue forward.
Btw, look up 'gynesexual' since that seems to be where this conversation is leading.
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
Yeah, and many men are incapable of enjoying sex that's not strictly for procreation, that is with a woman unless she's currently fertile and no condom is involved. In fact the majority of men can't and don't masturbate because that doesn't result in children.
This is an unsupported statement.
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
Sarcasm and not making a point worth debating.
Well, it's supported by the definition of 'heterosexual'.
Since you asked if I was autistic, I suppose it's appropriate to ask if you're gynesexual (a bisexual man who's attracted to perceived femininity) yet personally invested in not 'giving up' self-declared 'straight' status?
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
It made a point through negation: that what men (or people in general) are sexually attracted to is not teleological at all, see a bunch of examples. Humans are adaptation-executors, not fitness-maximizers.
While you seem to be committed to the idea that the mechanism of sexual attraction was not merely shaped by evolution to work passably enough, but also includes the evolution-endorsed goal of having as many grandchildren as possible implicitly and functionally, as in, if I realize that I'm not going to have grandchildren from some sexual encounter, my penis immediately deflates. It does not.
We are discussing this definition, lmao.
I won't fuck neither Buck Angel nor some cute dickgirl, but I understand the people who would.
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
Nope, I'm not making some overarching point about why some men are heterosexual and some men are bisexual. I'm stating what heterosexuality is and clarifying that it doesn't entail homosexual and/or bisexual attraction regardless of the individual's perceived femininity levels. Simple femininity attraction is bisexual aka gynesexual. If you have anything new to add, please let me know.
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
Without anything resembling a justification.
Factually wrong.
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heterosexual
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/heterosexuality
https://www.dictionary.com/e/gender-sexuality/gynesexual/
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
Appealing to dictionaries is not a valid move when the dictionary definitions are in dispute.
Besides the above, that's such a trainwreck of a definition. Whether or not the object of attraction has a PENIS is not included somehow, wtf? Was it written by a feeble minded woman or something? Why are you quoting a definition that doesn't involve having a PENIS at me as if to disprove my silly ideas that having a PENIS is not the ultimate arbiter of whether some attraction is gay or het?
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
Wha? I don't think the penis is the end-all be-all, as many transwomen cut off their penises but are still of the male sex. Actually, there are even men called 'nullos' who cut off their penises and continue to gender-ID 'male'. Regardless of one's gender identity or penis... situation, male-male sex is not heterosexual.
I'm not going to go much further in defining words and debating their definitions. But if you have anything new to add, please let me know.
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
Then what do you think is?
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
There is no end-all be-all. Maleness, like femaleness, encompasses a large number of traits, a sum of all parts. But the most defining trigger, I suppose, is the SRY gene.
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
Do you possess an X-Ray vision ability that allows you to be exclusively attracted to people having the SRY gene?
Listen, don't you see how retarded you sound doubling down on genes when you can't explain even the fact that most men are sexually attracted to stuff that doesn't include genitals because they are not allowed to see genitals before they get firmly sexually attracted and attached.
The correct response to tranny nonsense is "I respect your brain's identification of you as a female, please respect my brain's identification of you as a male", not the opposite nonsense you're typing here.
Not the retarded retreat from "women have cunts" to "women have XX chromosomes" which you yourself recognized as retarded and denigrating since you felt the need to argue against my comment that started this shit.
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
Touched on before:
As a heterosexual woman, this is how it goes for me. FTMs generally pass better than MTFs. But I'm not attracted to vaginas nor phalloplasties.
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
Note though that you have a leg-up over lesbians, because they can't even claim that their attraction to other women is caused by the desire to get pregnant. In the lesbians' case the whole thing is laid bare: we are adaptation-executors, not teleological optimizers.
You don't deny a lesbian's attraction to another woman on the grounds that she couldn't possibly have it because she can't impregnate the other woman's womb.
Similarly, you shouldn't reduce male sexuality to the teleological desire to have grandchildren.
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
I'm not frustrated, but you keep thinking I'm saying things that I'm not. I never reduced any sexuality to teleological desire. What I have said is that opposite-sex attraction does not include male(sex)-male(sex) attraction. (I also said that opposite sex attraction does often, but not necessarily, include attraction to non-stereotypically-lusted-after biological traits rather than just the usual draws or even performative presentations i.e. perceived femininity).
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
How do you define sex and how do you justify your definition?
Before you seemed to use a teleological definition based on what's required to successfully reproduce, because naturalistic fallacy and stuff. I'm pointing out that that excludes both trannies and lesbians.
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/311696/WHO-DAD-2019.1-eng.pdf
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
Can you please not promote old white males' opinions that women are kinda retarded?
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
You asked how I define sex. I quoted a definition of sex that I agree with. Do you disagree with that definition for whatever reason? Why?
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
Do you believe that whales and whale-related activities should be overseen by the Department of Forestry rather than the Department of Fishery, since whales are not fish?
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
WHO is not that unbalanced these days.
https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/97/7/18-226894/en/
But we're discussing the definition of 'sex', which regards males and females.
1 LongPostBussy 2019-10-13
You're essentially arguing that food isn't real or a valid concept because you might try to eat a rock that's painted like a mango if someone put it in a grocery store
1 BashTheFAS 2019-10-13
More like that a picture of a mango making you salivate doesn't mean that you'd like to eat paper.
1 voice_of_ukraine 2019-10-13
They kinda are.
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
Tomboys are the of the highest taste.
1 charming_tatum 2019-10-13
I think I might be autistic, what do I do?
1 ThousandQueerReich 2019-10-13
Period cramps, not so much. But cancer is my jam.
1 BioticAsset_VEGA 2019-10-13
Who named the planets? Whoever it was definitely didnt construct them
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
The question was whether saying that something is a planet or not constructs the category of planets as something physical. That's a very good example, because before 2006 the definition of planet was "orbits the star directly, is in hydrostatic equilibrium (i.e. is round because of its own mass)", while in 2006 an extra condition was added, "has cleared its orbital neighborhood", and just like that Solar system had 8 planets instead of 9, without any actual physical deconstruction obviously.
1 melokobeai 2019-10-13
Sex is real lmao
1 zergling_Lester 2019-10-13
Not for you 🤭
1 melokobeai 2019-10-13
Yep, even I have a sex
1 Bijzettafeltje 2019-10-13
.
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
she said 'womanhood'
do you think womanhood = femininity?
1 mackson2000 2019-10-13
I said womanhood before, but edited it out.
Also, dilate.
1 ate7dinos 2019-10-13
Agreed. Heading to r/neovaginadisasters to dilate.
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1 Danny__Treadname 2019-10-13
Imagine the kind of personality that goes with unshaven legs
1 LeEpicMemerDude69420 2019-10-13
C O P E
1 double-happiness 2019-10-13
I'm a mature (computing) student, and recently one of the other students in my group was talking fairly loudly and openly about having a discussion with his mother, regarding him having an STD, in the context of a history of anal sex with his transgender ex-'girlfriend'.
1 Danny__Treadname 2019-10-13
Deadname that Tranny
1 transgirltradwife 2019-10-13
Of course. The only women in computing are troids
1 transgirltradwife 2019-10-13
If any TERF cuckqueans want me as a cake hmu