Ancient Guild Wars Drama (2008 Cancel Culture) [Effortpost] {arrdrama jannies keep yalling my shit so im posting here}

1  2020-03-06 by ProEvilOperations

A long time ago I used to play this MMO called Guild Wars because I was too poor to afford WoW. There are a few interesting dramatic happenings in that game and I think this one is worth sharing. It happened in 2008 sometime after the release of Guild Wars: Nightfall. It precedes the shittification of the internet but was a portent of what the internet would eventually become.

If you play the game today there is an area very early on in the Nightfall campaign (Guild Wars' third release) where you can defeat "Sunspear Volunteers" as practice and get a hold of battle mechanics:

https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Sunspear_Volunteer_(Nightfall)

(Sunspears are the good guys who fight against literal eldritch fascists). BUT these sunspear volunteers NPCs used to be Corsair Prisoners (Corsairs are pirates for those of you lucky enough to not know any French):

https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Corsair_Prisoner

Why the change? Well, it turns out that in July 2008, some offended moron threatened legal action against Arenanet (The maker of Guild Wars) if they did not change these NPCs from being prisoners:

https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Talk:Corsair_Prisoner

Some highlights:

This particular creature should be replaced as soon as possible with small, ugly creatures. While confronting and killing other humans, and thus Corsairs in general, is socially acceptable, torture as represented here is not. The use of captured soldiers for "training" in medical camps or warrior instruction is particularly clear violation of the Geneva Convention and is quite abhorrent thought. It's very difficult to explain this away as "fantasy" since it is so obnoxious to the soul. Please remove this creature from the game

Children, as early as age 12 play this game. I'm sure that the practice of torture is widespread, from Japan, to Germany, and especially today in the U.S. -- nothing like having 100's of "Enemy Combatants" in order to practice on. Bottom line... Guild Wars doesn't need to go here. It's really out of line for a game, especially one played by teenagers

Let's make it clear, unless action is taken to remove the representation of human torture by the "good guys" soon, I will aim to bring it to the attention of mothers across the country, and I'll start my campaign a month or so before Christmas sales begin. The other vector (especially during an election year) are those who wish to censor video game violence, while they've been unsuccessful at preventing blood and gore, I think that representation of torture in games aimed at teens is beyond what is covered by free speech. Politicians are just waiting for a "winning" issue to rally around; within weeks this example will be the "show case" and Arena Net will be the evil bad guys in a surrogate fight against torture. It is both a conservative and liberal issue. Guild Wars will be the show case for the evil, mindless game developer focused on corrupting our children. It'll poison thousands upon thousands of potential sales. What you're doing is wrong. Fix it now.

Now, while this kind of kvetching wouldn't be out of place in the modern soyboy low-T Guild Wars 2 community it was very out of place for the original Guild Wars community which was highly competitive and extremely fond of slurs (to this day you can compare /r/GuildWars to /r/GuildWars2 and see the difference). Guild Wars autists who hated censorship therefore sperged out:

This was being typed out for a few hours on and off, I get heavly distracted, and was ment to be after Michael's comment, so the following pays no notice to all comments before it untill Michaels comment

^ The beginning of a literal novel-sized response to OP

Dear IP, when you're requesting GW to be banned, could you please add The Sims to the list too? I mean, I can lock my sim up in a room with nothing in it and he'd die from not eating, sleeping and all that! I can torture him! Please, do this for me? I don't like my 7 year old niece being exposed to this.

So basically: Someone VOLUNTEERING to be tortured is not considered torture? Only when it's someone forced into torture, it's not okay? An din-game it's not even called torture at all. It has been a "practice target" at all times. So children too young to understand the man to being tortured would not have any problem with the NPC being a "Corsair Prisoner" or a "Sunspear Volunteer". As soon as someone understands the NPC to being tortured they are mostly mentally mature enough to understand that it was never intended to be torture, but as a target practice. If not, they are at least mentally mature enough to set aside the torture part in comparison towards the "real world". The game is rated for minimum age to be 12 years old, where children go to middle school and have had history lessons already, in which such history got spoken off that they have had worse cruelties committed by mankind told to them already. I see 7-year old kids play and although I have no intention about questioning if they should play or not...the game has been rated as not suitable for them in the first place.

More links:

Game update (no drama): https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Game_updates/20081009

Way to find lots of the drama: https://wiki.guildwars.com/index.php?title=Special:Search&profile=all&search=corsair%20prisoner%20&fulltext=1

Archived talk page with dev (lots of drama): https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_talk:Regina_Buenaobra/Archive_Game_Related_Topics/July_2008#Corsair_Prisoner

Bob tries a similar strategy in 2010 regarding a girl torturing a Charr (furry catman) instead of petting him (seriously): https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_talk:Bob#The_Charr_Prisoner

Another inspired user attacks the idea of self-harm skills (basically every single skill the class of Necromancer has): https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_talk:Regina_Buenaobra/Archive_Misplaced_Topics/Oct_2008#Various_Sacrifice_Skills

https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_talk:Linsey_Murdock/Questions8#Secret_Update_or_Coincidental_Bug

https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_talk:Regina_Buenaobra/Journal/Archive_Oct-Dec_2008#Corsair_Prisoner_vs_Sunspear_Volunteer

These people think the person was a troll (oh the innocence): https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_talk:Tennessee_Ernie_Ford/Rants/Hall_of_Infamy#The_whole_Corsair_Prisoner_thing

https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_talk:Regina_Buenaobra/Archive_Misplaced_Topics/Nov_2008#Stuff_you_might_want_to_know

Parody: https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Talk:Sunspear_Volunteer_(Nightfall)

Soy subreddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/dqrscl/the_sunspear_volunteer_incident_from_last_night/

For some reason looking for this on archive.org only results in a timeshare website lol: https://web.archive.org/web/*/guild%20wars%20corsair%20prisoner

(Only relevant to future e-drama-addicted SkyNet Overlords) there was plenty more drama on this back in the day on other websites but most have been lost to time. The internet really isn't forever. You may be able to find more drama on this in the archives of GuildWarsGuru located here: https://guildwarslegacy.com/forum/thread/666-announcing-the-guild-wars-guru-archive/

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