/r/writingprompts mod admits to selectively deleting prompts they find too "sad", later the entire thread is nuked as criticism grows.

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Your condescending, contradictory bullshit isn't attractive to anyone except your frothing, basement-dwelling, virgin army.

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The ceddit url of deleted comments. There was more last time I checked, but that's all it could recover.

Moderating is always about personal feelings, not objective guidelines

Literally feels > reals

The mighty censorship warrior strikes again

Actually, they're 100% right. Mods are dictators, not elected representatives, and they have total power. If they decide to follow objective guidelines, so be it, but if they decide not to then that's their prerogative and there's fuck all the userbase can do to stop them. There's no Reddit rule that says moderators have to be fair and balanced.

So, yeah. feels = reals, in this case, and if you don't like it then too bad.

Banned

noo pls

Mod abuse

Mod abuse

Is that a request you are making?

You said it was OK though!!!

No u

Hawt. Yer nan likes to shag after a ban m8

Thing is, you're absolutely right: mods (and admins) can do whatever the fuck they please, they have the power and the rules are 100% arbitrary. I don't have a problem with mods who do curate content on wholly subjective bases - see r/askhistorians for an example of how that can work well.

The problem is that most of the time, mods don't want to admit to this. They want all the goodwill of being "fair, community-guided volunteers" and all the power of mod permissions.

If Lexi had just said "Yeah, the rules are a general guideline, but mods have last say and I removed them," then that's fine. I might disagree with it, but that doesn't make it wrong. However, that Lexi is trying to rationalize it in such a manner, specifically a "I did nothing, you're the one who's wrong for thinking I did," is where the problem lies.

/r/askhistorians is perhaps the least subjectively moderated subreddit there is - you're conflating the loose-strict moderation dichotomy with the subjective-objective dichotomy. /r/askhistorians is a strict, objectively moderated sub. /r/drama is a loose, subjectively moderated sub.

For completion's sake, /r/meirl is a loose, objectively moderated sub, and /r/shitredditsays is a strict, subjectively moderated sub.

Too much rational, gtfo

In this case, feels = reals, and if you don't like it then too bad.

It's sickening that this is seen as the norm.

Depends on how you define "feels"

Corporate interests wants to rape the earth because it will make them the biggest profit - reals?

That makes me feel bad - feels?

Feels for me is the inability to get over your own discomfort and approach a situation in a subjective and non-biased way.

How seriously have you got to take a volunteer position for a startup to feel this way about it ha ha ha get off the internet

Subjective moderation has got to go. It's the same cycle of: User finds out post was destroyed given no reason, goes to mods, mods makes a claim, claim shot down, moderator runs away.

Have you ever been a moderator for any userbase including people you don't personally know?

There are always users who love to push the boundaries, and in the process severely degrade the quality of the forum. Moderator discretion is essential - and often transparency only leads to unnecessary backlash by people who weren't involved otherwise, but just wanted to start shit.

The one flaw with Reddit is that subreddit names are major real estate, and defaults even more so. But I'm sure .


But also, remember the inviolate rules 8 and 9 of the internet:

\8. There are no real rules about posting.

\9. There are no real rules about moderation either — enjoy your ban.

I understand what you're trying to say. It's important for a website, in this case the moderators of each subreddit to control the quality of a subreddit so it doesn't get out of control - witch hunting and harassment, copied and pasted content, or anything that could ruin its content.

In my case I have had appropriately submitted content to subreddits which was well received by users. 2000-4000 upvotes, 200-1000 positive comments contributing to the topic effectively. To only find out my post was secret removed by a moderator who personally did not like it, to find out by moderates it was "okay to post what you did" and this moderator got away with disturbing my post with no real purpose, given me no idea it was hidden from anyone but myself. This is something that has happened to me several times in the past year - if my content is original, serves purpose to the subreddit, obeys rules - I don't see the point of it being disrupted. Yes, one can argue that it's up to moderators to decide. Though in sake of keeping fresh content it harms the process when subjectively being ruled the content is "personally not in my taste" from whatever moderator. I think it's abusing power and harming the community of certain subreddits.

In this case I have discussed with moderators to certain subreddits who have acknowledged my case. The moderators found ways of ruling things more appropriately and being more transparent, or just simply making stickys so spam isn't much of a problem when dealing with popular topics.

I ultimately agree though. You accept the modding rules because you feel they're right. But removal outside of the rules can make subs better.

The mod shouldn't have done removed the messages and if he wanted to remove that post he should have made an announcement that they're now "happy cuddly writing prompts only".

The whole idea of a writing prompt is pretty sad. I wonder how the mods there differentiate between the merely sad and the absolutely ovenheaded.

The whole idea of you is pretty sad, but we don't say it out loud.

TBH human life in general was a mistake

2tru4me

The punishment Prometheus received was just, for he has given us the condition which we must endure.

#GenocideThePlanet

Gas the humans tbh

How is it sad? Seems like a pretty creative way to get people to practice their writing skills, just like /r/photoshopbattles gives people a subject to practice their Photoshop skills with.

It's not STEM-related, so it's obviously something only the biggest degenerates do.

I mean, I don't participate in either because I suck at stories and Photoshop, I can see the value in those more creative subreddits. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how a fucking writing prompt is seen as sad.

I've seen some fantastic short stories in that sub.

I've seen the (stupid) reasoning before: elitist pricks who think that if you can't write for yourself, independent of outside inspiration or feedback, you're not a real writer. "You need a prompt to give you ideas on what to write about? Poser."

tbf everybody on that sub sucks, and it's very cringeworthy in general, especially the prompts themselves.

Wtf I loved that thread. /u/lexilogical what kind of mentally frail degenerate are you deleting everyone's writing effort they put forward to share and get writing experience with? Demod yourself writingprompts is clearly not for you. Bob Ross brings people joy and because you have such a weak character you've denied everyone else the joy Bob Ross brings.

Bad phrasing on my part, I meant entire comment thread this was discussed in, not the whole thread. The writing replies are still there, although ceddit shows quite few removed ones.

I'm not active in their IRC anymore, or WP in general, but I've said over and over that the worst part of writingprompts is the reddit.com part. Crappy frontpage-inspired prompts are merely a symptom. Granted, quality control is subjective, but at least there is some.

Their IRC page is one of the saddest I've seen. Some of these losers are on it 24/7 isn't that right /u/Lexilogical?

What the hell?

Stop using "autist" as an insult.

Autist

Stop using "crazy" or "psycho" when describing someone who is irrational.

Stop saying "OCD" When you like things organized.

It happens. Deal with it.

I have to live with everybody thinking I am some deservedly-socially-outcast creature, because opinions like yours are common.

Here's a piece of education for you: the social aspect of Autism is severely overstated. It is more useful to think of it as a mild form of epilepsy, except we don't go entirely unconscious ... and we're sensitive to things that wouldn't trigger epilepsy. The social aspect is likely entirely derivative from the fact that our brains have to process all this bogus input.

"Deal with it" means educating. Are you going to help, or hinder?

Probably hinder.

Want some spaghetti?

go back to r9k aspie

It definitely will happen; what we say is thankfully beyond anyone else's control, but I'm wondering if you think it should happen. Specifically, do you think we should refer to autism (or any other mental health conditions) by using it to shame people who don't have autism, or criticise things we simply don't like?

It doesn't matter what I think. It's going to happen. I once stood in my bathroom, scrubbing my hands over and over for over an hour, until the skin around my fingernails cracked and began to bleed and the skin was rubbed so raw that it felt like a sunburn for days after. I used to get angry at Le Quirky Girls claiming OCD because they organized their books. Then someone would post that comedian who used a string of words that didn't mean what they originally intended to prove that I was wrong. And to be fair, that's how language works.

I'm sorry that people chose to use legitimate mental disorders in a negative fashion to shame people without those disorders. It harkens back to calling someone a retard or dumb or even idiot. It's not fair, but it's a small percentage of people who actually suffer from the diseases or disorders, and for better or worse, that's how language works. Deal with it and move on, or be a crybaby and bitch about it. You can't force someone else to think like you do. Sorry. Buck up or fuck off.

Stop using "autist" as an insult. For what it's worth, demanding others change their thinking will get us no where, but for many of the same reasons you mentioned I understand why /u/o11c said this.

I'm not trying to force anyone to change their thinking, just looking to share and discover different perspectives, because this is a great opportunity for it. Thanks for the response! You have a great story about finding your own coping mechanism. Sounds like "tough love"; if that's what it is and it has worked for you, awesome. In my experience it can cause people to repress their thoughts and pain, rather than truly accept it.

For clarification, I'm not offended by anything said in this thread. I'm sufficiently bucked up, but I fail to see how autism can rationally or justifiably be used as an insult, and I think it's more helpful to call people out on it rather than tell the struggling people with autism to grow thicker skin. Yes, this is the internet and it's going to happen, but that's a cop-out avoiding the challenge from /u/o11c to either justify the behavior or admit that it's inhumane. Doing neither and instead deciding to further normalize the behavior has real and dire consequences which I'll get to shortly.

That's how language works Truly analyze the attitude of what people are saying. They aren't using autism as a benign descriptor, they're equating autistics to faults that have nothing to do with autism, things that in their mind are bad enough to warrant harsh criticism. Effectively, they're saying autistics are bad. Sure, we'd all be better off not getting offended by strangers online, but not everyone is equipped for that and I don't blame them for being intensely hurt every time. On the other hand, EVERYONE is perfectly equipped to not use autism as an insult, yet people still do so shouldn't the criticism be directed at them? This constant stigma surrounding autism and all mental conditions lead many people to depression, self harm, and suicide. Adults and children with mental conditions are at much higher risk of physical and sexual abuse. Abuse from those who've learned to demean and take advantage of autistics, and often they get away with it because our society is largely unsympathetic. How else are these things supposed to change?

People with autism go through plenty of difficulty as is without the condition being used as a descriptor to condemn things that have nothing to do with autism. It doesn't rationally stand, you seem to know that. You don't seem to equate it with verbally abusing innocent people for being who they are, and I fail to see the difference. It's speaking in a way that almost no one would if they were face to face with someone who actually has autism. Ironically, on Reddit you're much more likely to be heard by someone with autism. Thoughts?

Love your username, btw.

That's how language works.

Scientific terms do not, and should not, mutate as much. For words that do exist in the (mutable) vernacular as well as the scientific sense, often an adjective (or similar) is added to clarify - for example, "clinically depressed".

"Retarded" is another great example that was corrupted. It simply means "delayed", or as I like to say, that "something will happen, just not on schedule". In the scientific sense, it is applicable to several aspects of autism (except possibly for the regressive variant - in which children are born and start to develop normally before losing the ability to speak), but the colloquial sense is irrelevant (since autism has absolutely no correlation to low or high intelligence).

They shouldn't, but they do. I'd love for everyone to use words properly, and denote negative canotations on people with actual disorders. But attacking me because I gave a practical answer is also wrong. Being offended is, in fact, a choice. You're not going to change how people use words, so instead don't use them yourself and ignore it. I'm sorry, but those are only options: be offended or don't. Hopefully it will be weeded out by the next generation of people.

And refusing to give up your bus seat won't do anything to help end racism amiright?

TIL racism ended. Shut 'er folks! We're done here.

Found the autist

... it doesn't count when I directly admit it.

If you have no problem admitting it then why are you so up in arms about it?

Because you're still using it in a negative sense, and making my life difficult, for no other reason than because you can pick on someone weaker than you.

This is /r/drama, all we do here is fuck around with people, can you honestly say that you expected something better to happen? That's like strapping a chicken tender to your dick and waving it at a stray dog hoping not to get bit.

Expected better? No.

Hoped for something better? Yes. It's still a dick move.

But in any case, it's the original, unprovoked use of "autist" that I have the real problem with.

Once again, this is just one of many facets of the ass end of the internet. No here is going to pull am punches no matter how dickish they might be.

What you're saying isn't doing anything to justify or condemn the allegedly inhumane behavior. You're misframing /u/o11c's protest of it to mean that they aren't "expecting" it to happen, which is hilarious because it happens constantly on Reddit and it's plainly obvious, especially to the people here with autism. Your narrative just serves to further normalize the protested behavior, but that doesn't make it rational behavior. You said "all we do here is fuck around with people" but who's "we"? Not me. Not /u/o11c. If the words "man" and "woman" were being used as genuine insults across nearly every sub, would you also be confused by those protests?

Possibly, depends on which day of the week it is

In different ways, it seems they're being the weaker ones.

I feel like /u/lexilogical is probably unfamiliar with many philosophies of wellbeing that emphasize the embracing of sadness, that sadness exists for a purpose and it's healthy not to try to repress or run away from it. It also serves the purpose of letting sad people know they're not alone, or lets them know it's ok to be sad.

Censoring sadness seems like a scary 50s pleasantville sitcom where the rulers say they determine what emotions are useful to people or not. Ultimately I think it's really shortsighted and damaging to emotional health.

As Bob Ross said himself "gotta have a little sadness once in a while so you know when the good times are." It'd seem this went right over /u/lexilogical head.

also Pixar's Inside Out. The entire point of that movie was to quit doing exactly what the mods of /r/writingprompts are doing.

I would love to see a Pixar short with the inside-outs of 'that sort' of famous people's heads. Bob Ross, Mr Rogers, David Attenborough, Jim Henson, Steve Burns.

Would be cool to see them take a memory and send it along the TV to kids who all interpret it slightly differently.

I would love to see a Pixar short of the insides of famous peoples vaginal openings.

Would be cool to see the menstrual cycle of people like Jennifer Lawrence, Amanda Bines and Katy Perry. I would also wank furiously :)

Maybe u/lexilogical is just a cry baby

It's like a symptom of the millenial desire for escapism. Same with adult coloring books and nostalgia for 90s pop culture. They want a fall back to a time when they were always happy and never sad.

Maybe /u/lexilogical never watched that Pixar's Inside Out movie on the importance of saddness.

I think u/lexilogical could be a good contender for sperg mod of the year!

Oh no, shitty painting man from my 80s American childhood may have had nuance to his personality :(

"him being sad might be harmful to our community"

grow the fuck up

Don't forget that "This world doesn't need any more sad"

shitty painting man

dys

D?

delete?

dys- Bad; difficult (used especially in medical terms).

shitty painting man

excuse me

I swear I've seen that prompt a hundred times, along with "Batman and Joker need to do something together"

Gay sex?

"Batman goes to court, Joker's his lawyer", "Joker helps Batman solve a mysterious crime that has even Batman mixed up" "Joker throws Batman a birthday party", there are twenty of them each day.

Is it a different birthday theme each time?

is there one where batman has to help joker shitpost on /r/drama?

Go make it.

Don't let your memes be dreams.

You have to wonder if Catch-22 would be as successful as it is if it were published under its original title, Catch-18.

The WP itself is more dippy than sad. Sad would be

"Struck by the existential crisis that consciousness is finite in an infinite universe, Bob Ross makes one final attempt to create a window into the dream world in just 25 minutes.

Oh, and he's just run out of Alizarin Crimson."

How does a fictional story in a subpar subreddit "unravels" anything this guy did? I even had to google him because I'm not american. His show is 30+ years old most of his fans aren't even aware of what reddit is.

https://youtu.be/3HGwIFJneeY?t=73

The writing prompt the mods don't want you to see.

Sad!

You know what? Fuck it, I stand with /u/Lexilogical. Users are schizophrenic degenerate retards, and deserve to be ignored at every opportunity. And if they don't like it then they can cry into their karma at /r/oppression.

#FuckTheUserbase

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What the fuck is that sub? And the ones linked in the comments on some of the posts?

Anyone?

Well great. We're on somebody's "people to kill" list now because we read an argument about Bob Ross.

Right? Jesus fucking Christ. Those subs are weird as shit.

What was the second sub, it just got banned an hour or two ago.

Huh... It was a subreddit that had random links from all over Reddit. They were all titled just like the title of the linked thread above: "January 06, 2017 at 10:32AM", but the times corresponded to when the author linked the thread in their sub.

It was a new subreddit... created like a day ago, IIRC, but there were a ton of posts. Sometimes a dozen links for a certain time, and then it would be silent for a few hours. But then there would be a streak of posts that would continue on sequentially for like an hour or two. There was only one approved poster, and some of the posts (but not all of them) had a comment that linked to another subreddit that also looks like it has been banned... same kind of content and title format, but different links, I believe.

There was never any context included with the links. No additional information about either of the subs was listed anywhere.

I'm sure it must have been a bot or something, but it was weird. I've never seen that kind of sub before.

"Bob Ross is a sacred, mystical figure and his legacy shall not be tarnished as long as I am MODERATOR of this internet message board for NEET fat people with shiny foreheads."

first learned about Bob Ross because some stoned 14 year-old shitposted a meme of a funny old dude with round hair one time

This has too much going on in it. Narrow your focus for better effect.

It's a nonfiction piece.

Chicago 4/Ft Lauderdale crossover WP when?

Moderation is always about personal feelings, not objective guidelines

Wrong. Mods should follow the rules, and not there own feelings.

what a moron

Lexilogical

logical

Early reddit was about free speech. Nu-Male reddit is all about Voat or 4chan.

...shouldn't that be left up to the voters to decide, rather than your subjective feelings about the person?

Not generally

Funny, I didn't know the DNC ran a subreddit.