Did you just right a wall of text defending a circlejerk sub?
Is not like the average protohuman fan of sam " nuke kebab " harris is any better, but r/badphilosophy has been a shithole for quite a while. Is basically the mods jerking their own smugness and bitter self-righteousness and the lurkers/casual users sperging out everytime someone criticises socialism or the far-left. Honestly is like a slightly smarter r/srs.
I dont know what drugs should I be using to see that as fun 🤔
Yeah, /u/shitgenstein , why are you so emotionally invested in a sub that basically boils down to smelling your own farts and then boasting about how much better yours smell than those of the plebeian STEMlords?
At least here on /r/drama we like to splash in the septic tank ourselves.
Did you just write a wall of text defending a circlejerk sub?
Don't know why you called me out since there are much longer replies but here's some choice selections from mine:
/r/Badphilosophy has a very mercurial moderation style, which perhaps tolerates too much out of laziness
A lot of the non-mods and lurkers do not have backgrounds in philosophy.
Despite our best efforts, some degree of circlejerking, such as against Sam Harris, does occur.
Seems counter-intuitive to defend by conceding the point...
Is basically the mods jerking their own smugness and bitter self-righteousness and the lurkers/casual users sperging out everytime someone criticises socialism or the far-left.
Yes, the latter feasts on low-hanging fruit and not just as a leftist circlejerk but against positions which I identify, such as scientific realism or moral anti-realism. People have a hard time distinguishing a bad argument from a wrong conclusion. I'd be happy to set the sub on private again.
I dont know what drugs should I be using to see that as fun 🤔
Not to make it fun but philosophy on Reddit tolerable: alcohol.
Honestly I only wrote all that because I liked ( and still like a bit ) the sub, but meh. Like, the hate for Scott Alexander and all of less wrong is too circlejerk-y.
The problem is that /r/badphilosophy started to gain more subscribers from outside the /r/philosophy and /r/askphilosophy users, such as from other badsubs, metasubs, left-subs, and in order to "get in on the jerk" started to link and upvote low-hang fruit and no-effort shitposting. Since actual moderating both unenjoyable and futile, many original users and mods either left or retreated to modmail, only occasionally banned when they felt like it, leaving the sub to get worse.
And that's not to say us mods are the best or most rational people alive, either.
Shit man you must be literally the only moral anti-realist on there.
I know for a fact I'm not. But I'm probably overstating myself as realism/anti-realism is particularly important to me. Pretty agnostic about moral facts.
Since actual moderating both unenjoyable and futile, many original users and mods either left or retreated to modmail, only occasionally banned when they felt like it, leaving the sub to get worse.
I'm sympathetic to the idea that the sub should be private, but on the other hand there's an awful lot of lurkers who enjoy it. I think you're right there's a sort of tension between no one giving enough of a shit to spend any time moderating, and how obnoxious it gets without moderation. I know a bunch of people were sick of all the Harris links, and started removing them and banning people who posted them, but no one cares enough to dedicate hours or every week to doing this.
I know for a fact I'm not. But I'm probably overstating myself as realism/anti-realism is particularly important to me.
Constructivism called, it wants you to know moral realism misunderstands what's at stake in ethical claims in the first place.
I'm sympathetic to the idea that the sub should be private
I think it might work as as a temporary measure, to starve out general interest/traffic over time, but then there's be the constant messages to be let like last time it went private. And it doubles down on the elitism.
Constructivism called
Oh for sure, though maybe I let it go to voicemail. Like a sex hotline, there's seems to me something naughty and unnaturally systematic in the affair, perhaps because I know it mostly from my superficial knowledge of Kantian constructivism.
but then there's be the constant messages to be let back in like last time
I forgot about that, it was pages and pages of the stuff every day.
I suspect that a lot of the people most vocal about /bp aren't really troubled by the shenanigans of the anonymous horde anyway, although they do bring more attention. A lot of them just like bad philosophy, and they're going to be scandalized by anyone objecting to it. I mean, look at the comments in the recent drama: what we really need is a /badphilosophy that isn't opposed to Sam Harris and LessWrong? Ffs.
what we really need is a /badphilosophy that isn't opposed to Sam Harris and LessWrong? Ffs.
But I didnt suggest this though. I said that the circlejerk against LessWrong is too strong. For all I know LessWrong does have a lot of bad philosophy, and if its bad philosophy it should get linked, but is just funny when people suggest something is bad philosophy just because it has the tennuest connection to LW. So yeah I will be honest I dont get the hate for LW even when I agree that it has a lot of absurd shit. ( I didnt defend Harris at all btw )
I mean last time people dismissed Scott Alexander not because he was saying any bad philosophy per se, but because he used to have a LessWrong account. /u/umamisalami is also from LessWrong, and he is a constant contributor to r/askphilosophy and he has a very decent knowledge of philosophy for an autodidact.
The lurkers try to imitate the mods, which ends up with them parroting shit they don't even understand in the first place man.
Still though this is a small thing for me, my problems with BP are others.
But again is your sub and you do as you wish with it.
I said that the circlejerk against LessWrong is too strong. For all I know LessWrong does have a lot of bad philosophy, and if its bad philosophy it should get linked, but is just funny when people suggest something is bad philosophy just because it has the tennuest connection to LW. So yeah I will be honest I dont get the hate for LW even when I agree that it has a lot of absurd shit. ( I didnt defend Harris at all btw )
I mean last time people dismissed Scott Alexander not because he was saying any bad philosophy per se, but because he used to have a LessWrong account. /u/umamisalami is also from LessWrong, and he is a constant contributor to r/askphilosophy and he has a very decent knowledge of philosophy for an autodidact.
The lurkers try to imitate the mods, which ends up with them parroting shit they don't even understand in the first place man.
Hey, as a head's up, people are going to start thinking you're my alt account if you don't do something different. I've actually made almost every one of these statements over the last 48 hours. So, idk, go out and bash utilitarianism or something, or start frequently posting in r/toronto.
what we really need is a /badphilosophy that isn't opposed to Sam Harris and LessWrong? Ffs.
But I didnt suggest this though.
I'm not sure, but I think they are referring to r/bad_philosophy?
Oh yeah sorry I forgot to tell you about it, we had so much going on. There's even some drama you can post about here. Let me know if you want to, so that I can re-approve the worst posts.
Anyway, it's not necessarily going to be friendly to anyone. I sure don't have the time to go around policing opinions. Nor the interest.
I suspect that a lot of the people most vocal about /bp aren't really troubled by the shenanigans of the anonymous horde anyway, although they do bring more attention. A lot of them just like bad philosophy, and they're going to be scandalized by anyone objecting to it.
Still though this is a small thing for me, my problems with BP are others.
The largest problem is conducting insulting without offering reasons nor space for debate and reserving authority and unanimity on the matter. Something which ends up being, on the whole, fairly hurtful to a number of people.
Well... it's kind of complicated, but the short story is that I stumbled upon LessWrong and read just a little bit of their stuff, which was how I found out about academic philosophy, and then I became really interested in mainstream philosophy and consequently spent much more time and effort with it. But then more recently I realized that LessWrong has been doing some kind-of interesting things all along that I had forgotten about. Not sure if that counts as being from there.
Honestly you already have my approval for linking the only two good badX subs on the sidebar.
Is r/badlinguistics any good? I hear nice things about it.
I said that the circlejerk against LessWrong is too strong.
Well, it's filled with absolutely dreadful philosophy, it seems like a natural place for a community ridiculing bad philosophy to reference.
The lurkers try to imitate the mods, which ends up with them parroting shit they don't even understand in the first place man.
Much to the annoyance of the mods, who ban people doing this by the dozen every week, and have even put the subreddit on private to try to get rid of this crowd.
Whenever someone holds anyone associated with a subreddit responsible for what any other person in that subreddit says, no matter how forcefully the former people oppose the latter, it seems to me this is a pretty clear indication the whole situation has regressed into the most ridiculous identity politics.
But again is your sub and you do as you wish with it.
Whenever someone holds anyone associated with a subreddit responsible for what any other person in that subreddit says, no matter how forcefully the former people oppose the latter, it seems to me this is a pretty clear indication the whole situation has regressed into lamentable identity politics.
I hate this, I am not doing this though.
I didnt say anything against you, but honestly some of the mods seem to like the sub current situation and the circlejerk.
Plus, this is just my reasoning to dislike the sub.
The problem is that /r/badphilosophy started to gain more subscribers from outside the /r/philosophy and /r/askphilosophy users, such as from other badsubs, metasubs, left-subs, and in order to "get in on the jerk" started to link and upvote low-hang fruit and no-effort shitposting.
Yeah I noticed that too. I still remenber /u/evanharper getting shat on because he dared to defend sweatshops, even though he was right people started to parrot bad philosophy and to upvote each other's crap.
I know for a fact I'm not. But I'm probably overstating myself as realism/anti-realism is particularly important to me. Pretty agnostic about moral facts.
That makes two of us, and dont let Constructivism fool you, is a trap.
By the way moral anti-realism is another thing the lurkers criticise without understanding. Like it gets completely shitted on everytime its argued for.
Anyway dude is your sub and if you still enjoy it in the current form, fuck it, just ignore me. I just wanted to stir shit in the first place.
Yeah the original reason to circlejerk was that people thought moral antirealism was just obviously true, and that moral realism requires belief in faeries or some shit. This usually coming from token physicalists of the I Fucking Love Science school; the people who think the way to prove "1+1=2" is to combine two physical objects and then count them. Moral antirealism is a perfectly tenable philosophical position, though; amusingly, the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy entry for Moral Anti-Realism ends with a bit of scolding to this effect:
As with the opposition to moral non-objectivism, the opposition to moral anti-realism is frequently based on an under-estimation of the resources available to the anti-realist—on an unexamined assumption that the silliest, crudest, and/or most insidious version will stand as a good representative of a whole range of extremely varied and often sophisticated theories.
Not really. It sucks because there is some really good drama here for people already familiar with it. Sam Harris is a prolific atheist who's main presence online these days is his podcast (which I recommend if you're autistic enough to enjoy those kinds of things) he plays fast and loose with controversial opinions and is kind of a slow learner when it comes to the social consequences. That's about as tidy a summary of the situation as you're likely to get.
Most philosophers nowadays are compatibilists, meaning they believe the concept of free will is compatible with a deterministic universe. Recently, some scientists (most prominently, Sam Harris) have disputed this, claiming that free will is about control, and none of us really have any control in a determined universe; i.e. you make choices, but those choices aren't free.
In my experience, before Sam Harris came along, determinists and compatibilists debated happily in /r/philosophy whenever the topic came up, and there was very little drama. Ever since Sam's book got popular, /r/philosophy and especially /r/badphilosophy has had an extreme distaste for anyone questioning compatibilism.
I'm not an expert on this, but I believe you're thinking of the uncertainty principle, which just concerns the limits to measuring the properties of a system. Philosophical determinism is the idea that all events are determined causally, by previous events. All events are predetermined because there's no other way they could have occurred.
It's more than that. Quantum mechanics says that at the lowest/atomic levels things happen probabilistically instead of deterministically. In general at our level this doesn't matter, stuff is still pretty much causal, but there are exceptions. For instance there's some research that suggests that uncertainty actually has measurable effects in how neurons fire, which pretty directly relates to the arguments towards causality of brain stuff.
Anyways this is getting way too stuffy so let's just say that it's a cockbag argument that's been getting shade thrown at it since before
Hitler popped his first nut.
This is an incorrect representation of the the most widely held interpretations of QM, which assert that there is no nailed down exact truth to a particle's location until it is "measured" (which is another misunderstood word that has little to nothing to do with observers).
It is a metaphysical "uncertainty", not merely an epistemological one.
What kind of a chucklefuck argues determinism after quantum mechanics became a thing?
Agreed with the sentiment, but when a person like Sam Harris argues for "determinism", he does caveat it with "well except for when the universe has proven itself to be physically indeterminate".
He basically just means "there is no free will". The definitions get thorny here when there is determinism/compatibilism/libertarian free will/etc.
/u/maxmanmin pretty much hit the nail on the head there. also, tards on reddit will make up reasons for shitting on Sam as they also do for Scott Alexander and the LessWrong community, because, in a nut shell, they are too "logic and reasony" or whatever.
Some conversative out there is pissy the left can excuse commie bullshit. (It's not mao but see Sanders and breadlines; Venezuela etc) Or maybe they aren't because they elected a twat tbat wants to be friends with Putin.
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n/a SnapshillBot 2017-01-10
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n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-10
1k Comments holy shit
/u/Shitgenstein
Did you just right a wall of text defending a circlejerk sub?
Is not like the average protohuman fan of sam " nuke kebab " harris is any better, but r/badphilosophy has been a shithole for quite a while. Is basically the mods jerking their own smugness and bitter self-righteousness and the lurkers/casual users sperging out everytime someone criticises socialism or the far-left. Honestly is like a slightly smarter r/srs.
I dont know what drugs should I be using to see that as fun 🤔
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-01-10
Yeah, /u/shitgenstein , why are you so emotionally invested in a sub that basically boils down to smelling your own farts and then boasting about how much better yours smell than those of the plebeian STEMlords?
At least here on /r/drama we like to splash in the septic tank ourselves.
n/a Shitgenstein 2017-01-10
Don't know why you called me out since there are much longer replies but here's some choice selections from mine:
Seems counter-intuitive to defend by conceding the point...
Yes, the latter feasts on low-hanging fruit and not just as a leftist circlejerk but against positions which I identify, such as scientific realism or moral anti-realism. People have a hard time distinguishing a bad argument from a wrong conclusion. I'd be happy to set the sub on private again.
Not to make it fun but philosophy on Reddit tolerable: alcohol.
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-10
Honestly I only wrote this because I liked and still like a bit the sub, but meh.
Shit man you must be literally the only moral anti-realist on there.
This is a catch-22, the dose I would need to even tolerate it would probably kill me.
n/a Shitgenstein 2017-01-10
The problem is that /r/badphilosophy started to gain more subscribers from outside the /r/philosophy and /r/askphilosophy users, such as from other badsubs, metasubs, left-subs, and in order to "get in on the jerk" started to link and upvote low-hang fruit and no-effort shitposting. Since actual moderating both unenjoyable and futile, many original users and mods either left or retreated to modmail, only occasionally banned when they felt like it, leaving the sub to get worse.
And that's not to say us mods are the best or most rational people alive, either.
I know for a fact I'm not. But I'm probably overstating myself as realism/anti-realism is particularly important to me. Pretty agnostic about moral facts.
n/a wokeupabug 2017-01-10
I'm sympathetic to the idea that the sub should be private, but on the other hand there's an awful lot of lurkers who enjoy it. I think you're right there's a sort of tension between no one giving enough of a shit to spend any time moderating, and how obnoxious it gets without moderation. I know a bunch of people were sick of all the Harris links, and started removing them and banning people who posted them, but no one cares enough to dedicate hours or every week to doing this.
Constructivism called, it wants you to know moral realism misunderstands what's at stake in ethical claims in the first place.
n/a Shitgenstein 2017-01-10
I think it might work as as a temporary measure, to starve out general interest/traffic over time, but then there's be the constant messages to be let like last time it went private. And it doubles down on the elitism.
Oh for sure, though maybe I let it go to voicemail. Like a sex hotline, there's seems to me something naughty and unnaturally systematic in the affair, perhaps because I know it mostly from my superficial knowledge of Kantian constructivism.
n/a wokeupabug 2017-01-10
I forgot about that, it was pages and pages of the stuff every day.
I suspect that a lot of the people most vocal about /bp aren't really troubled by the shenanigans of the anonymous horde anyway, although they do bring more attention. A lot of them just like bad philosophy, and they're going to be scandalized by anyone objecting to it. I mean, look at the comments in the recent drama: what we really need is a /badphilosophy that isn't opposed to Sam Harris and LessWrong? Ffs.
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-10
But I didnt suggest this though. I said that the circlejerk against LessWrong is too strong. For all I know LessWrong does have a lot of bad philosophy, and if its bad philosophy it should get linked, but is just funny when people suggest something is bad philosophy just because it has the tennuest connection to LW. So yeah I will be honest I dont get the hate for LW even when I agree that it has a lot of absurd shit. ( I didnt defend Harris at all btw )
I mean last time people dismissed Scott Alexander not because he was saying any bad philosophy per se, but because he used to have a LessWrong account. /u/umamisalami is also from LessWrong, and he is a constant contributor to r/askphilosophy and he has a very decent knowledge of philosophy for an autodidact.
The lurkers try to imitate the mods, which ends up with them parroting shit they don't even understand in the first place man.
Still though this is a small thing for me, my problems with BP are others.
But again is your sub and you do as you wish with it.
n/a UmamiSalami 2017-01-10
Hey, as a head's up, people are going to start thinking you're my alt account if you don't do something different. I've actually made almost every one of these statements over the last 48 hours. So, idk, go out and bash utilitarianism or something, or start frequently posting in r/toronto.
I'm not sure, but I think they are referring to r/bad_philosophy?
Oh yeah sorry I forgot to tell you about it, we had so much going on. There's even some drama you can post about here. Let me know if you want to, so that I can re-approve the worst posts.
Anyway, it's not necessarily going to be friendly to anyone. I sure don't have the time to go around policing opinions. Nor the interest.
The largest problem is conducting insulting without offering reasons nor space for debate and reserving authority and unanimity on the matter. Something which ends up being, on the whole, fairly hurtful to a number of people.
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-10
Honestly you already have my approval for linking the only two good badX subs on the sidebar.
huh thought you were
Viva deontologia e fodasse consequencialismo porra. Viva o r/nordeste.
About the drama, meh. Philosophy drama doesnt get much attention so if you want to link it great, but I am lazy to link it myself.
n/a UmamiSalami 2017-01-10
Well... it's kind of complicated, but the short story is that I stumbled upon LessWrong and read just a little bit of their stuff, which was how I found out about academic philosophy, and then I became really interested in mainstream philosophy and consequently spent much more time and effort with it. But then more recently I realized that LessWrong has been doing some kind-of interesting things all along that I had forgotten about. Not sure if that counts as being from there.
Is r/badlinguistics any good? I hear nice things about it.
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-10
No idea. Maybe?
I heard badmath is good too
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-10
Holy fuck you people have
nice
n/a wokeupabug 2017-01-10
Sorry, I have no idea who you are.
Well, it's filled with absolutely dreadful philosophy, it seems like a natural place for a community ridiculing bad philosophy to reference.
Much to the annoyance of the mods, who ban people doing this by the dozen every week, and have even put the subreddit on private to try to get rid of this crowd.
Whenever someone holds anyone associated with a subreddit responsible for what any other person in that subreddit says, no matter how forcefully the former people oppose the latter, it seems to me this is a pretty clear indication the whole situation has regressed into the most ridiculous identity politics.
It's not my sub.
n/a ilikehillaryclinton 2017-01-10
Do you have a thread/comment to link with a breakdown of LW's most egregious offenses? Genuinely curious
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-10
I hate this, I am not doing this though.
I didnt say anything against you, but honestly some of the mods seem to like the sub current situation and the circlejerk.
Plus, this is just my reasoning to dislike the sub.
n/a drunkentune 2017-01-10
No, it's my sub.
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-10
Well dude, good for you
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-10
Yeah I noticed that too. I still remenber /u/evanharper getting shat on because he dared to defend sweatshops, even though he was right people started to parrot bad philosophy and to upvote each other's crap.
That makes two of us, and dont let Constructivism fool you, is a trap.
By the way moral anti-realism is another thing the lurkers criticise without understanding. Like it gets completely shitted on everytime its argued for.
Anyway dude is your sub and if you still enjoy it in the current form, fuck it, just ignore me. I just wanted to stir shit in the first place.
n/a EvanHarper 2017-01-10
Yeah the original reason to circlejerk was that people thought moral antirealism was just obviously true, and that moral realism requires belief in faeries or some shit. This usually coming from token physicalists of the I Fucking Love Science school; the people who think the way to prove "1+1=2" is to combine two physical objects and then count them. Moral antirealism is a perfectly tenable philosophical position, though; amusingly, the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy entry for Moral Anti-Realism ends with a bit of scolding to this effect:
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-10
Silly moralists thinking they have a leg to stand on
n/a Hellkyte 2017-01-10
Fucking philosophy drama. Every god damn post is like a 6 page essay. Could someone please distill this a bit?
n/a APE_CHRIST 2017-01-10
Not really. It sucks because there is some really good drama here for people already familiar with it. Sam Harris is a prolific atheist who's main presence online these days is his podcast (which I recommend if you're autistic enough to enjoy those kinds of things) he plays fast and loose with controversial opinions and is kind of a slow learner when it comes to the social consequences. That's about as tidy a summary of the situation as you're likely to get.
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-01-10
Also he dislikes Islam so he must be a racist.
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-10
Man, he more than dislikes Islam.
Sam " some believes are so dangerous people that believe them should be killed " Harris.
Sam " Is probably moral to nuke the middle east " Harris
Sam " I watch MLP and I am proud of it " Harris
n/a NGC_6960 2017-01-10
tru
meh whatever
Fucking degenarate, I hate him now.
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-01-10
Damn, if it weren't for that last part i might've actually liked the guy.
I mean, he's still a Jew, but still.
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-10
ikr
n/a killvolume 2017-01-10
Most philosophers nowadays are compatibilists, meaning they believe the concept of free will is compatible with a deterministic universe. Recently, some scientists (most prominently, Sam Harris) have disputed this, claiming that free will is about control, and none of us really have any control in a determined universe; i.e. you make choices, but those choices aren't free.
In my experience, before Sam Harris came along, determinists and compatibilists debated happily in /r/philosophy whenever the topic came up, and there was very little drama. Ever since Sam's book got popular, /r/philosophy and especially /r/badphilosophy has had an extreme distaste for anyone questioning compatibilism.
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n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-01-10
Fuck you, trashcan
n/a BobPlager 2017-01-10
It's really just a way for people to exhibit mental gymnastics so they can believe in free will when it blatantly doesn't exist.
n/a Hellkyte 2017-01-10
Who the fuck still argues determinism after quantum mechanics became a thing? Determinism is like...literally disprovable.
n/a killvolume 2017-01-10
I'm not an expert on this, but I believe you're thinking of the uncertainty principle, which just concerns the limits to measuring the properties of a system. Philosophical determinism is the idea that all events are determined causally, by previous events. All events are predetermined because there's no other way they could have occurred.
n/a Hellkyte 2017-01-10
It's more than that. Quantum mechanics says that at the lowest/atomic levels things happen probabilistically instead of deterministically. In general at our level this doesn't matter, stuff is still pretty much causal, but there are exceptions. For instance there's some research that suggests that uncertainty actually has measurable effects in how neurons fire, which pretty directly relates to the arguments towards causality of brain stuff.
Anyways this is getting way too stuffy so let's just say that it's a cockbag argument that's been getting shade thrown at it since before Hitler popped his first nut.
n/a ilikehillaryclinton 2017-01-10
This is an incorrect representation of the the most widely held interpretations of QM, which assert that there is no nailed down exact truth to a particle's location until it is "measured" (which is another misunderstood word that has little to nothing to do with observers).
It is a metaphysical "uncertainty", not merely an epistemological one.
n/a skeetsurfing1984 2017-01-10
Are you thinking of Laplace's Demon?
n/a Hellkyte 2017-01-10
I looked it up a bit and I remember seeing that name. Same concept I think.
n/a ilikehillaryclinton 2017-01-10
Agreed with the sentiment, but when a person like Sam Harris argues for "determinism", he does caveat it with "well except for when the universe has proven itself to be physically indeterminate".
He basically just means "there is no free will". The definitions get thorny here when there is determinism/compatibilism/libertarian free will/etc.
n/a APE_CHRIST 2017-01-10
/u/maxmanmin pretty much hit the nail on the head there. also, tards on reddit will make up reasons for shitting on Sam as they also do for Scott Alexander and the LessWrong community, because, in a nut shell, they are too "logic and reasony" or whatever.
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-10
Scott is good
LessWrong as a whole is meeeh
Harris is trash my dude
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-01-10
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-10
is it this time though
I guess the important thing is to comment on every thread right fam
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-01-10
Some conversative out there is pissy the left can excuse commie bullshit. (It's not mao but see Sanders and breadlines; Venezuela etc) Or maybe they aren't because they elected a twat tbat wants to be friends with Putin.
In any case ima shitpost.
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-01-10
Yah rly plz don't kinkshame my shitpost fetish
n/a Forseti69 2017-01-10
Maybe, just maybe, his fetish is kinkshaming your shitposting.
n/a UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-01-10
Sam Harris is a hack but the obsession from people who either love him or hate him is ridiculous.
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-10
yeh fam 😎
n/a UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-01-10
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