TBH, when I was doing my undergrad at an engineering school, dumbass far-right philosophies (ancaps, neoreactionaries, etc) were somewhat overrepresented
I think that was probably just because they were stupid college kids though, kinda like how liberal arts schools tend to have a few self-declared communists running around
idk what their classification is then, I just figured that self-described leftists don't usually jabber on and on about how great free markets and the gold standard are
I did my undergrad in engineering too. Most the people I knew were just plain ol' boring neoliberals who voted for Obama and/or maybe one of the bushes. Then again, this was in a state that was as republican as you can get so I don't know if it really means anything.
Not on the political spectrum because it's too narrow. Horseshoe theory refers to far-right and far-left ideals being pushed in a way that causes totalitarianism and ends up in planned economies. Learn your politics fam
Oh, the horseshoe is much more widely applicable than that, it's a rather general observation that utopias built by the people Who Know What's Right tend to end up pretty similar shade of grayish-brown streaked with red.
For example, both unrestricted libertarianism and fascism are going to end up in the same sort of planned economy and dictatorship, the only difference is that in the first case it would be a charismatic entrepreneur and not a charismatic army spook who takes over the country and rules it as his feud.
Another similarity is that both fascism and libertarianism deny the need to help the disadvantaged and subscribe to a sort of social darwinism, that puts both on the right side of the spectrum maybe, despite them being totally opposite in other respects.
By the way! Another example of the horseshoe theory in action is the way the people who REEEEEEE at its very mention and the people who swear by it are much more similar to each other than to us in the middle of that spectrum.
I'm not a libertarian as such but libertarianism won't end up in a planned economy, that's ridiculous. It also doesn't subscribe to social darwinism; if it did it would forbid private individuals from giving to charity.
I'm not a libertarian as such but libertarianism won't end up in a planned economy, that's ridiculous.
Sure will, due to the way fixed and variable costs work, any totally free market will end being a monopoly. And the corporation enjoying that monopoly would run on planned economy internally, as most corporations do. So.
It also doesn't subscribe to social darwinism; if it did it would forbid private individuals from giving to charity.
It subscribes to social darwinism precisely as far as needed -- just let the evolution do its thing. Fascism (that you had in mind here) goes further, "that which is falling should also be pushed", speeding the evolution up.
But that's not necessary for an ideology to qualify as employing social darwinism, the policy of inaction is enough.
Mathematics is anti-feminist though. Ever notice how few women there are in academic maths? Or blacks? Or other visible (not Asian or Jewish, they don't count) minorities?
It's because mathematics is unfairly biased towards cishet white men.
Consider that mathematics is a purely human invention and since the primary developers in the European and American system have been cishet white men, therefore their biases and opinions are intrinsic to the field and render it incompatible with anyone who does not submit to its rules. I don't think I need to explain why this is oppressive, it speaks for itself.
Further evidence is in totalitarian and fascist government's heavy use of mathematics to justify their atrocities.
Again, NOT saying "men are smarter than women" and I am quite convinced that other sources of the 92% very likely include a bias against women which is damaging to the (or any) field.
/u/tpn86 you pussied out at the end. I'd expect someone in /r/math to be honest with the math. Men are smarter than women where it counts, the top end. This also doesn't even touch the non-ironic use of autism, where people who excel in math and engineering are far more likely to produce autistic children. Autism seems to be when what makes them good at that sort of thing goes to far, and men are far more likely to be effected.
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n/a SnapshillBot 2017-01-13
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n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-01-13
/r/math
Yes, i was correct!
n/a zahlman 2017-01-13
Yeah, it says right there, but you know what the point was, c'mon.
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-01-13
I like to be a killjoy
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-01-13
n/a MG87 2017-01-13
Because Trump is bad at math?
n/a clarkeff 2017-01-13
I think Nate Bronze is the one who is bad at math
n/a YHofSuburbia 2017-01-13
Leave it to math nerds to have an unironic conversation about incels. When I am king all math, physics, and CS majors will be the first to go.
n/a SamWhite 2017-01-13
I went with /r/Negareddit, should've known it'd be a tricky one.
n/a DuckHuntHotDog 2017-01-13
You should have included what the person was referring to:
Almost as good as that time someone said engineers support fascism.
n/a Cielle 2017-01-13
TBH, when I was doing my undergrad at an engineering school, dumbass far-right philosophies (ancaps, neoreactionaries, etc) were somewhat overrepresented
I think that was probably just because they were stupid college kids though, kinda like how liberal arts schools tend to have a few self-declared communists running around
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-01-13
Ancaps aren't far right
n/a Cielle 2017-01-13
idk what their classification is then, I just figured that self-described leftists don't usually jabber on and on about how great free markets and the gold standard are
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-01-13
Oh they're right wing, but not far right.
n/a dogcatbirdplane 2017-01-13
im pretty sure they are actually far right
n/a pepperouchau 2017-01-13
Yeah, they're far wrong
n/a DuckHuntHotDog 2017-01-13
I did my undergrad in engineering too. Most the people I knew were just plain ol' boring neoliberals who voted for Obama and/or maybe one of the bushes. Then again, this was in a state that was as republican as you can get so I don't know if it really means anything.
n/a aonome 2017-01-13
If you make a spectrum of state intervention to free markets that puts ancaps on the far right, fascism would be left wing.
You're equating two types of political spectrum fallaciously which is a dumb thing people do to call libertarians neo-nazis
n/a cruelandusual 2017-01-13
Found the ancap.
n/a aonome 2017-01-13
I'm actually an orange booker without the love of the EU, I laugh at ancucks
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-01-13
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory ;^)
n/a aonome 2017-01-13
Libertarianism and fascism do not simultaneously occupy extremes on a given spectrum so I assume you made that comment because you're retarded
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-01-13
Individual freedom and domination of national interests over individual are pretty much opposite extremes IMO.
n/a aonome 2017-01-13
Not on the political spectrum because it's too narrow. Horseshoe theory refers to far-right and far-left ideals being pushed in a way that causes totalitarianism and ends up in planned economies. Learn your politics fam
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-01-13
Oh, the horseshoe is much more widely applicable than that, it's a rather general observation that utopias built by the people Who Know What's Right tend to end up pretty similar shade of grayish-brown streaked with red.
For example, both unrestricted libertarianism and fascism are going to end up in the same sort of planned economy and dictatorship, the only difference is that in the first case it would be a charismatic entrepreneur and not a charismatic army spook who takes over the country and rules it as his feud.
Another similarity is that both fascism and libertarianism deny the need to help the disadvantaged and subscribe to a sort of social darwinism, that puts both on the right side of the spectrum maybe, despite them being totally opposite in other respects.
By the way! Another example of the horseshoe theory in action is the way the people who REEEEEEE at its very mention and the people who swear by it are much more similar to each other than to us in the middle of that spectrum.
n/a aonome 2017-01-13
I'm not a libertarian as such but libertarianism won't end up in a planned economy, that's ridiculous. It also doesn't subscribe to social darwinism; if it did it would forbid private individuals from giving to charity.
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-01-13
Sure will, due to the way fixed and variable costs work, any totally free market will end being a monopoly. And the corporation enjoying that monopoly would run on planned economy internally, as most corporations do. So.
It subscribes to social darwinism precisely as far as needed -- just let the evolution do its thing. Fascism (that you had in mind here) goes further, "that which is falling should also be pushed", speeding the evolution up.
But that's not necessary for an ideology to qualify as employing social darwinism, the policy of inaction is enough.
n/a TonyFuckingDanza 2017-01-13
WEW
n/a FreeRobotFrost 2017-01-13
Mathematics is anti-feminist though. Ever notice how few women there are in academic maths? Or blacks? Or other visible (not Asian or Jewish, they don't count) minorities?
It's because mathematics is unfairly biased towards cishet white men.
Consider that mathematics is a purely human invention and since the primary developers in the European and American system have been cishet white men, therefore their biases and opinions are intrinsic to the field and render it incompatible with anyone who does not submit to its rules. I don't think I need to explain why this is oppressive, it speaks for itself.
Further evidence is in totalitarian and fascist government's heavy use of mathematics to justify their atrocities.
n/a Dial_A_Dragon 2017-01-13
Chem engineer here, I heil Hitler every night before I go to bed.
n/a registered2LOLatU 2017-01-13
Fuckin' math enthusiasts, man.
n/a MG87 2017-01-13
Hell I thought I was weird because I find physiology fascinating, but these guys take the cake.
n/a Chicup 2017-01-13
/u/tpn86 you pussied out at the end. I'd expect someone in /r/math to be honest with the math. Men are smarter than women where it counts, the top end. This also doesn't even touch the non-ironic use of autism, where people who excel in math and engineering are far more likely to produce autistic children. Autism seems to be when what makes them good at that sort of thing goes to far, and men are far more likely to be effected.
n/a 69321721 2017-01-13
Got a citation for that?
n/a Chicup 2017-01-13
Lmgtfy https://www.google.com/search?hl=en-US&ie=UTF-8&source=android-browser&q=autism+engineers
n/a Peaches_0 2017-01-13
"Autism" doesn't exist.
n/a Chicup 2017-01-13
You must be new here.
n/a OpinesOnThings 2017-01-13
Then how did you type this?
n/a dogcatbirdplane 2017-01-13
this is a high quality comment right here
n/a Hammer_of_truthiness 2017-01-13
Explain Sonic the Hedgehog
n/a tpn86 2017-01-13
I stand by every word of what I wrote and none of it was written because of some fear of being called a chauvenist.
You just equated the female sex organ with cowardism on the other hand.
n/a Chicup 2017-01-13
So you are a pussy.
n/a xjapxn 2017-01-13
Cowardice, you semi-literate.
n/a ____________13 2017-01-13
n/a bathroomstalin 2017-01-13
It's best to minimize one's social interactions with STEMtards.
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-01-13
Too late motherfucker, i'm here now and you can't stop my comments
n/a AN_EXPERT_REDDITOR 2017-01-13
Username checks out
n/a Somenakedguy 2017-01-13
Jfc /u/spez why are you not working on this?
n/a Dial_A_Dragon 2017-01-13
Chem engineer here, I heil Hitler every night before I go to bed.
n/a WokeAsFuck 2017-01-13
/u/OldWolf2 I missed that. I'd like to hear your ideas about toxic mathculinity.
n/a astraydoge 2017-01-13
Yeah, /u/OldWolf2 I'm curious too
n/a accountabi1ity 2017-01-13
Being the editor of an academic journal doesn't make you smart tbh.
n/a ElittistJerk 2017-01-13
No, but there's definitely a correlation.
n/a accountabi1ity 2017-01-13
Not really. You might be surprised how far hard work can take you
n/a ElittistJerk 2017-01-13
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n/a FreeRobotFrost 2017-01-13
Sounds like
mathincel talk.n/a uptotwentycharacters 2017-01-13
Correlation doesn't imply causation.
n/a ElittistJerk 2017-01-13
That's exactly what I said.
n/a LSeww 2017-01-13
Correlation is correlated with causation.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-01-13
My wife had an "I <heart> Calculus" shirt she got in High school.
I still make fun of her for it.
n/a pepperouchau 2017-01-13
I mean, rie rie likes math, right?
n/a uptotwentycharacters 2017-01-13
Didn't he name himself after a famous mather?
n/a atakeonhooper 2017-01-13
can math guys really not get laid?
n/a Somenakedguy 2017-01-13
Those fields are like 10:1 dudes to women and a lot of the guys are probably autists who don't socialize otherwise. The odds are not in their favor
n/a grungebot5000 2017-01-13
jesus christ it's a pool of 13,000 people who reach maybe 15,000 others, who gave enough of a shit to tally this
n/a EmeraldFlight 2017-01-13
"This just in - .0005% of American citizens are a group, and 92% of that group has an approximately similar genetic makeup"
n/a Dial_A_Dragon 2017-01-13
Well, they are maths nerds.
n/a MRB2012 2017-01-13
Au contraire, once you've reached that level of autism you probably do.
n/a LSeww 2017-01-13
Wait, so you think that's a bad idea?
n/a tpn86 2017-01-13
A quick look at you and chicups history and I see you are both just here from Drama to act out. Go do something worthwhile somewhere else instead.
n/a For_Tomorrow_We_Die 2017-01-13
Aren't we all?
n/a tpn86 2017-01-13
Also