What happened? I usually never read the link and just springboard off the title, drawing out context from other comments here. I started reading this time because your title gave no clue, but it was long winded stuff about Iran, something something. The comments were incredibly long too. Can I get a tl;dr?
But skimming it it looks like OP got banned for asking them why they apologize for ISIS too much and they call him an islamophobe. Is that right? Also I love u Spooky, no joke.
/u/suppergauntlad needs to eat more sweets and become fat and jolly. I've heard him express extreme exasperation over his userbase being retarded and whiny. Someone should start a gofundme to buy him delicious, fatty foods (or whatever his favorite decadent culinary delights may be) and tempt him into corpulent bliss. Poor guy gets stressed sometimes wrangling the tards.
As to the drama, it seems reasonable to think that the far left (or whatever you'd like to call it) doesn't really turn a blind eye, but rather are justifiably wary of helping to stir up fear that could be as fodder to shit on Muslims everywhere.
Submitted for your examination, a museum-curating and pet tortoise-owning Welshman /u/Trynottobeacunt , who is currently working his last day on the job, unexpectedly finds himself in possession of an extraordinary WW2-era library card, an unforeseen consequence of his hometown's election as its new mayor a mechanical, talking burrito whose unspoken political alignment is... the Twilight Zone.
Portrait of a professional chinchilla-breeder and bell-ringing town crier named /u/Trynottobeacunt. This is a man who's begun his dying early - a long, agonizing route through a maze of broken dreams and lapsed subscriptions to rodent-farming periodicals. A man who would probably give an arm or a leg or a part of his soul to have another chance, to be able to rise up and shake the dirt from his body and the bad dreams that infest his consciousness.
And this, the combination hydraulic shoehorn and fruit-juicer which Mr. Trynottobeacunt has just found abandoned by the roadside, forms the second principal character of our story. Its purpose: perhaps, to give to Mr. Trynottobeacunt his longed-for second chance... in The Twilight Zone.
Minor incident in r/drama in on reddit.com, perhaps to be filed away under 'incidents you walk away from.' But from this moment on, Mr. Trynottobeacunt's companion will be a sense of longing for his time as a Mall Santa bantering with elf-costumed employees; his route - a scheme to turn the entire Middle East into a aquatic theme park for professional dolphin and orca-trainers; his destination - quite unknown....
OP says he works with Iranians. He asks why liberals defend every follower of Islam and why they don't protest against the oppression in Islamic countries. OP gave them a loaded question and CB came back with a hyperbolic answer.
Anyone who criticized the far left is a regressive reactionary concern troll.
"I knew you'd say that!" and "That's something that an alt righter would say while trying not to look alt right!" are coherent and respected refutations to cogent points.
Does even a single person try to discuss his point or is it just a bunch of people calling him a sea lion (or whatever new word they have) for disagreeing?
That was a whole lot of conservative talking points,
As someone who was Christian from Pakistan and who has family who is Christian in Pakistan, I'm glad to see these sjws label the things that happened to us as "Conservative Talking points."
"Brutal Islamic regimes exist and must be opposed" is not a conservative talking point. Leftists/liberals agree with it.
"Liberals/leftists won't condemn brutal regimes as long as they're Islamic" is a conservative talking point.
I'm glad to see these sjws label the things that happened to us as "Conservative Talking points."
You'll notice literally no circlebrokers anywhere in that thread pretended these things didn't happen or defended them in any way shape or form. But the OP assumed that we do just because that fits his narrative.
You can sit here and claim anything you want, but I see every time news shows a Muslim country doing amything bad you are always on full damage control mode.
Go into a leftist sub and see how they feel about Saudi Arabia.
Yes, how interesting that you chose Saudi Arabia specifically, since it's a country we in the Left really hate. Especially interesting since OP mentioned Iran, a country whose regime you guys forget about.
Go ask about Iran then shit, I just picked the first example that came in to my head, just don't do it in the same accusatory "You guys support Iran way" the other guy did.
Curious how you claim the left don't call out regimes for their shit just because they're Islamic in one comment then claim the left really hates Saudi Arabia in the next.
How is it the first example that came into your mind when OP specifically mentioned Iran?
Curious how you claim the left don't call out regimes for their shit just because they're Islamic in one comment then claim the left really hates Saudi Arabia in the next.
It's very curious if you haven't thought about it for two seconds. The Left hates Saudi Arabia because its involved in US imperialism in the Middle East. Puh-lease. I'm a commie. This is easy mode questioning.
Because we're having a different discussion, I said the first example that came into my head which naturally was the biggest and most infamous Islamic regime.
If you're a communist you surely must be aware of leftist condemnation for Islamic regimes? Good point about imperialism though, SA definitely gets more flak than the others for being involved in imperialism.
If I'm gonna be honest, no I don't see much condemnation of Islamic regimes. It's not brought up at all unless we're discussing gulf states working with the US.
Because we're having a different discussion, I said the first example that came into my head which naturally was the biggest and most infamous Islamic regime.
How is this a "different discussion" when it's literally a continuation of the one you were having in the linked thread.
Or, more likely, you've bought into this silly "SJW vs. anti-SJW" bullshit and now think that anyone who condemns an Islamic regime is on Team Anti-SJW when in reality they're most likely an "SJW" who is concerned for the safety and rights of Muslims (especially Muslim women) regardless of what country they're in.
How is this a "different discussion" when it's literally a continuation of the one you were having in the linked thread.
How is this literally a continuation of the one I was having when it's literally a different discussion? Are you that guy from earlier on an alt account? No? Then this is a different conversation.
I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt by treating this as wholly separate and not a continuation of the other guy's terrible argument, even though my first impression of you was you misrepresenting me and telling me to Gaddafi myself, cause I'm nice like that.
Or, more likely, you've bought into this silly "SJW vs. anti-SJW" bullshit and now think that anyone who condemns an Islamic regime is on Team Anti-SJW when in reality they're most likely an "SJW" who is concerned for the safety and rights of Muslims (especially Muslim women) regardless of what country they're in.
This isn't my first day in leftism. I've been one for years, and I've seen exactly who in the movement criticizes Islamist regimes and who doesn't. And those who ignore them are the same as those who think catgirl_drawgirl has internalized misogyny and those who think yelling "black lives matter" fixes everything.
How is this literally a continuation of the one I was having when it's literally a different discussion? Are you that guy from earlier on an alt account? No? Then this is a different conversation.
Fun fact, more than two people can be part of the same conversation. The most important question here is, though, why are you doing so much to avoid talking about Iran's government.
Well that's funny because I've mainly seen the most nuanced approach to the issue I've seen anywhere, over on the hard right they've got guys treating Muslims as some evil hivemind, in the centre you've got "Let's start peace talks with ISIS! There's nothing wrong with liberal politicians selling arms to ruthlessly misogynistic, homophobic, oppressive, authoritarian regimes" and on the left you've got "Religious fundamentalism and Islamic extremism are serious issues and must opposed without targeting innocent Muslims. ISIS are fascist and need to be wiped out."
Fun fact, more than two people can be part of the same conversation.
And if you'd joined the conversation it could have been a three man conversation, but instead you pinged me to start a new one (I understand you pinged me to avoid brigading)
The most important question here is, though, why are you doing so much to avoid talking about Iran's government.
See this is what I'm talking about. You didn't try to talk about Iran's government and neither did the other guy, you just go straight to accusing people of defending it. Don't act like you've raised criticism about Iran that I've dismissed or defended because you know for a fact I haven't.
on the left you've got "Religious fundamentalism and Islamic extremism are serious issues and must opposed without targeting innocent Muslims. ISIS are fascist and need to be wiped out."
This is just not something you see said often on the left. On the left, most first run it through the test of whom le evil US is supporting vs whom glorious Putin supports, then how progressive it'll sound to criticize said group or regime (gotta get that virtue signalling down), and then they can decide which Islamic group or regime to criticize. It's a joke.
And if you'd joined the conversation it could have been a three man conversation, but instead you pinged me to start a new one (I understand you pinged me to avoid brigading)
And yet here you are, answering the call. A ping is not a conjuration spell, you didn't have to show up here.
See this is what I'm talking about. You didn't try to talk about Iran's government and neither did the other guy, you just go straight to accusing people of defending it. Don't act like you've raised criticism about Iran that I've dismissed or defended because you know for a fact I haven't.
I'm not acting like you've done anything. I am not making you defend my criticism of the left.
This is just not something you see said often on the left. On the left, most first run it through the test of whom le evil US is supporting vs whom glorious Putin supports
Well now I know you're just talking shit, leftists don't like Putin, in fact it's the right who is softening up to him.
And yet here you are, answering the call. A ping is not a conjuration spell, you didn't have to show up here.
Erm what has that got to do with anything? My point was different person in a different sub makes me think different conversation.
I'm not acting like you've done anything. I am not making you defend my criticism of the left.
Are you tryna gaslight me or something? You directly accused me of avoiding the topic of Iran's government despite the fact you haven't been trying to bring that topic up.
The most important question here is, though, why are you doing so much to avoid talking about Iran's government.
Well now I know you're just talking shit, leftists don't like Putin, in fact it's the right who is softening up to him
Then why did I have to leave the Party for Socialism and Liberation after the constant pro-Putin pro-Iran posts and articles?
Erm what has that got to do with anything? My point was different person in a different sub makes me think different conversation.
This is the weirdest non sequitur you've started, but I'll continue it. It's part of the same conversation. I responded to a thing you said in the other thread, over here. You then responded to me. That makes it part of the same conversation.
Are you tryna gaslight me or something? You directly accused me of avoiding the topic of Iran's government despite the fact you haven't been trying to bring that topic up.
I've accused you of avoiding the Iran topic because you've already brought yourself into this discussion by defending the left. I didn't make you do that.
I think we're just travelling in different circles of leftists here, because the leftists I knock around with are very anti-hierarchy and see religious fundamentalism as another form of oppressive hierarchy, even when it's Muslims in question.
This is the weirdest non sequitur you've started, but I'll continue it. It's part of the same conversation. I responded to a thing you said in the other thread, over here. You then responded to me. That makes it part of the same conversation.
What? You're the one busting out the non sequitur acting like I claimed pinging was some magic summoning spell or some shit. It's not part of the same conversation, this is a different conversation between me and you.
I've accused you of avoiding the Iran topic because you've already brought yourself into this discussion by defending the left.
That really doesn't make any sense I'm afraid, defending the left != avoiding talking about Iran.
I didn't make you do that.
Yeah? I never claimed you did? It's like you're reading something entirely different to what I post.
I think we're just travelling in different circles of leftists here, because the leftists I knock around with are very anti-hierarchy and see religious fundamentalism as another form of oppressive hierarchy, even when it's Muslims in question.
I'm glad you've found the three good ones out there. I'm happy for you. Truly. But OP was asking a question definitely about the leftists we see most often, and if you want to answer or defend them, you have to take that into account.
What? You're the one busting out the non sequitur acting like I claimed pinging was some magic summoning spell or some shit. It's not part of the same conversation, this is a different conversation between me and you.
It's the same convo because my post was literally a response to yours.
Yeah? I never claimed you did? It's like you're reading something entirely different to what I post.
You accused me of gaslighting you when I said I wasn't making you defend the left. What was I supposed to take from that?
No, "anti-SJWs" are the type of people who actively oppose "SJWs" and often consider there to be some SJW plot to ruin everything with political correctness or "cultural Marxism" or whatever. An anti-SJW is someone who rants about SJWs and tumblr and shit, an ordinary person doesn't even know what an SJW is supposed to be.
Most people are mostly apathetic about social justice beyond a slight leaning towards either "racism and stuff is bad" or "political correctness gone mad".
What's funny it isn't because Saudi Arabia is muslim, it's specially because of Saudia Arabia's 'friendly' relationship with America. You won't mention Iran because they are opposed to 'Western Influence', and let's be real, all of you internet leftists just want to 'dismantle western capitalism'.
I'm a Pakistani Muslim guy and I don't get it. There's these white liberal people on reddit whose anti-Islamophobia efforts do the exact opposite of what they think they are doing. then they're silent on things that actually matter >_>
The worst part is they don't see that by constantly avoiding the conversation about radical islamic terrorism, they're actually allowing the alt-right to dominate the conversation on it.
Can I try and expalin it to you from what I've gathered?
I was once like these white liberal people (I'm still white and liberal, but I started talking to the people I claimed/ thought I was protecting and realized I was doing the opposite with my ommissions...).
The hard right have created this narrative that liberals and leftists saying Muslims and Islam are not inherently bad means they believe both can never be bad and that both Muslims and Islam are universally perfect. Go into a leftist sub and see how they feel about Saudi Arabia.
When did I try to make you say that Muslims and Islam are inherantly bad? Werent you literally just claiming I was basing my argument from strawmen?...
You're probably conflating the left and liberals, liberal politicians don't condemn brutal Islamic regimes because it's not politically useful or because they want to do business with them. Conservatives tend to just condemn Islam and terrorists as it satisfies some of the anger their electorate feel without actually condemning the regimes themselves.
they seem to have somehow convinced themselves that "virtue signalling" is something they say, and therefore any argument resembling it doesn't need to be refuted, which demonstrates a stunning lack of self-awareness, even for shallow internet leftists
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n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-17
This time there is drama ! yay for me !
n/a Wacnews_the_White 2017-01-17
What happened? I usually never read the link and just springboard off the title, drawing out context from other comments here. I started reading this time because your title gave no clue, but it was long winded stuff about Iran, something something. The comments were incredibly long too. Can I get a tl;dr?
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-17
i didnt read anything
n/a Wacnews_the_White 2017-01-17
Cool. There are only 34 comments in there and a lot are by the automod bot. Look how long this actual user one is.
But skimming it it looks like OP got banned for asking them why they apologize for ISIS too much and they call him an islamophobe. Is that right? Also I love u Spooky, no joke.
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-17
Yeah I think so, if /u/supergauntlet didnt had banned me I could actually teach those cucks.
I LOVE YOU 2 BUDDY <3
n/a Wacnews_the_White 2017-01-17
/u/suppergauntlad needs to eat more sweets and become fat and jolly. I've heard him express extreme exasperation over his userbase being retarded and whiny. Someone should start a gofundme to buy him delicious, fatty foods (or whatever his favorite decadent culinary delights may be) and tempt him into corpulent bliss. Poor guy gets stressed sometimes wrangling the tards.
As to the drama, it seems reasonable to think that the far left (or whatever you'd like to call it) doesn't really turn a blind eye, but rather are justifiably wary of helping to stir up fear that could be as fodder to shit on Muslims everywhere.
And /u/superstinky smells.
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-17
I too agree that both /u/supergauntlet and /u/celocanth13 are huge fucking pussies scared of their extremely retarded userbase.
n/a supergauntlet 2017-01-17
k
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-17
No.
n/a celocanth13 2017-01-17
But I'm constantly mean to them and am quick to remove their dumb shit. You're just pissy you got banned.
n/a Hammer_of_truthiness 2017-01-17
But you would never ban me, right bby?
n/a celocanth13 2017-01-17
Who even are you?
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-17
You are really mean 😢
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-17
1) True
2) Be more mean
3) mod me. I promise to only comment and distinguish my comments, nothing more.
n/a Wacnews_the_White 2017-01-17
They should hire some ban happy "bad cop" mods to shit kick the shit flingers. And get fat from hedonistic gluttony too, thanks.
n/a SkekEkt 2017-01-17
Submitted for your examination, a museum-curating and pet tortoise-owning Welshman /u/Trynottobeacunt , who is currently working his last day on the job, unexpectedly finds himself in possession of an extraordinary WW2-era library card, an unforeseen consequence of his hometown's election as its new mayor a mechanical, talking burrito whose unspoken political alignment is... the Twilight Zone.
n/a Trynottobeacunt 2017-01-17
Can you STOP telling people about my personal life?
That library card was returned to me after I handed it in and waited the six month period in order to claim it.
n/a SkekEkt 2017-01-17
Portrait of a professional chinchilla-breeder and bell-ringing town crier named /u/Trynottobeacunt. This is a man who's begun his dying early - a long, agonizing route through a maze of broken dreams and lapsed subscriptions to rodent-farming periodicals. A man who would probably give an arm or a leg or a part of his soul to have another chance, to be able to rise up and shake the dirt from his body and the bad dreams that infest his consciousness.
And this, the combination hydraulic shoehorn and fruit-juicer which Mr. Trynottobeacunt has just found abandoned by the roadside, forms the second principal character of our story. Its purpose: perhaps, to give to Mr. Trynottobeacunt his longed-for second chance... in The Twilight Zone.
n/a Trynottobeacunt 2017-01-17
...
n/a SkekEkt 2017-01-17
Minor incident in r/drama in on reddit.com, perhaps to be filed away under 'incidents you walk away from.' But from this moment on, Mr. Trynottobeacunt's companion will be a sense of longing for his time as a Mall Santa bantering with elf-costumed employees; his route - a scheme to turn the entire Middle East into a aquatic theme park for professional dolphin and orca-trainers; his destination - quite unknown....
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-01-17
... A twilight zone!
n/a WithoutAComma 2017-01-17
I don't know, the OP's comments were also a trainwreck of tangled, disingenuous and obtuse argumentation. As usual everybody sucks.
n/a Wacnews_the_White 2017-01-17
Agreed, as someone who didn't read it.
n/a HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-01-17
OP says he works with Iranians. He asks why liberals defend every follower of Islam and why they don't protest against the oppression in Islamic countries. OP gave them a loaded question and CB came back with a hyperbolic answer.
n/a Trynottobeacunt 2017-01-17
Fair assesment.
n/a Wacnews_the_White 2017-01-17
Sweet. A tale as old as
timethe last few years.n/a SamInTheLoop 2017-01-17
Anyone who criticized the far left is a regressive reactionary concern troll.
"I knew you'd say that!" and "That's something that an alt righter would say while trying not to look alt right!" are coherent and respected refutations to cogent points.
n/a Tiammatt 2017-01-17
Does even a single person try to discuss his point or is it just a bunch of people calling him a sea lion (or whatever new word they have) for disagreeing?
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-01-17
Not as far as I saw. Just another day in CB
n/a Strephyl 2017-01-17
Most of the top level replies seem to be arguing about points he made
n/a Mircabre 2017-01-17
Why are you even reading cb
n/a SpookyMood 2017-01-17
<3
n/a PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-01-17
As someone who was Christian from Pakistan and who has family who is Christian in Pakistan, I'm glad to see these sjws label the things that happened to us as "Conservative Talking points."
Hey /u/CrushCoalMakeDiamond
Shove a knife up your ass.
n/a CrushCoalMakeDiamond 2017-01-17
"Brutal Islamic regimes exist and must be opposed" is not a conservative talking point. Leftists/liberals agree with it.
"Liberals/leftists won't condemn brutal regimes as long as they're Islamic" is a conservative talking point.
You'll notice literally no circlebrokers anywhere in that thread pretended these things didn't happen or defended them in any way shape or form. But the OP assumed that we do just because that fits his narrative.
n/a PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-01-17
You can sit here and claim anything you want, but I see every time news shows a Muslim country doing amything bad you are always on full damage control mode.
Every.
Single
Time.
n/a CrushCoalMakeDiamond 2017-01-17
No I'm not, when the fuck have I ever done that? I don't believe you've even seen me on Reddit before.
Go into a leftist sub and see how they feel about Saudi Arabia.
n/a PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-01-17
bruh, you doesn't mean you personally.
Yes, how interesting that you chose Saudi Arabia specifically, since it's a country we in the Left really hate. Especially interesting since OP mentioned Iran, a country whose regime you guys forget about.
n/a CrushCoalMakeDiamond 2017-01-17
Go ask about Iran then shit, I just picked the first example that came in to my head, just don't do it in the same accusatory "You guys support Iran way" the other guy did.
Curious how you claim the left don't call out regimes for their shit just because they're Islamic in one comment then claim the left really hates Saudi Arabia in the next.
n/a PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-01-17
How is it the first example that came into your mind when OP specifically mentioned Iran?
It's very curious if you haven't thought about it for two seconds. The Left hates Saudi Arabia because its involved in US imperialism in the Middle East. Puh-lease. I'm a commie. This is easy mode questioning.
n/a CrushCoalMakeDiamond 2017-01-17
Because we're having a different discussion, I said the first example that came into my head which naturally was the biggest and most infamous Islamic regime.
If you're a communist you surely must be aware of leftist condemnation for Islamic regimes? Good point about imperialism though, SA definitely gets more flak than the others for being involved in imperialism.
n/a PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-01-17
If I'm gonna be honest, no I don't see much condemnation of Islamic regimes. It's not brought up at all unless we're discussing gulf states working with the US.
How is this a "different discussion" when it's literally a continuation of the one you were having in the linked thread.
n/a CrushCoalMakeDiamond 2017-01-17
Or, more likely, you've bought into this silly "SJW vs. anti-SJW" bullshit and now think that anyone who condemns an Islamic regime is on Team Anti-SJW when in reality they're most likely an "SJW" who is concerned for the safety and rights of Muslims (especially Muslim women) regardless of what country they're in.
How is this literally a continuation of the one I was having when it's literally a different discussion? Are you that guy from earlier on an alt account? No? Then this is a different conversation.
I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt by treating this as wholly separate and not a continuation of the other guy's terrible argument, even though my first impression of you was you misrepresenting me and telling me to Gaddafi myself, cause I'm nice like that.
n/a PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-01-17
This isn't my first day in leftism. I've been one for years, and I've seen exactly who in the movement criticizes Islamist regimes and who doesn't. And those who ignore them are the same as those who think catgirl_drawgirl has internalized misogyny and those who think yelling "black lives matter" fixes everything.
Fun fact, more than two people can be part of the same conversation. The most important question here is, though, why are you doing so much to avoid talking about Iran's government.
n/a CrushCoalMakeDiamond 2017-01-17
Well that's funny because I've mainly seen the most nuanced approach to the issue I've seen anywhere, over on the hard right they've got guys treating Muslims as some evil hivemind, in the centre you've got "Let's start peace talks with ISIS! There's nothing wrong with liberal politicians selling arms to ruthlessly misogynistic, homophobic, oppressive, authoritarian regimes" and on the left you've got "Religious fundamentalism and Islamic extremism are serious issues and must opposed without targeting innocent Muslims. ISIS are fascist and need to be wiped out."
And if you'd joined the conversation it could have been a three man conversation, but instead you pinged me to start a new one (I understand you pinged me to avoid brigading)
See this is what I'm talking about. You didn't try to talk about Iran's government and neither did the other guy, you just go straight to accusing people of defending it. Don't act like you've raised criticism about Iran that I've dismissed or defended because you know for a fact I haven't.
n/a PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-01-17
This is just not something you see said often on the left. On the left, most first run it through the test of whom le evil US is supporting vs whom glorious Putin supports, then how progressive it'll sound to criticize said group or regime (gotta get that virtue signalling down), and then they can decide which Islamic group or regime to criticize. It's a joke.
And yet here you are, answering the call. A ping is not a conjuration spell, you didn't have to show up here.
I'm not acting like you've done anything. I am not making you defend my criticism of the left.
n/a CrushCoalMakeDiamond 2017-01-17
Well now I know you're just talking shit, leftists don't like Putin, in fact it's the right who is softening up to him.
Erm what has that got to do with anything? My point was different person in a different sub makes me think different conversation.
Are you tryna gaslight me or something? You directly accused me of avoiding the topic of Iran's government despite the fact you haven't been trying to bring that topic up.
n/a PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-01-17
Then why did I have to leave the Party for Socialism and Liberation after the constant pro-Putin pro-Iran posts and articles?
This is the weirdest non sequitur you've started, but I'll continue it. It's part of the same conversation. I responded to a thing you said in the other thread, over here. You then responded to me. That makes it part of the same conversation.
I've accused you of avoiding the Iran topic because you've already brought yourself into this discussion by defending the left. I didn't make you do that.
n/a CrushCoalMakeDiamond 2017-01-17
I think we're just travelling in different circles of leftists here, because the leftists I knock around with are very anti-hierarchy and see religious fundamentalism as another form of oppressive hierarchy, even when it's Muslims in question.
What? You're the one busting out the non sequitur acting like I claimed pinging was some magic summoning spell or some shit. It's not part of the same conversation, this is a different conversation between me and you.
That really doesn't make any sense I'm afraid, defending the left != avoiding talking about Iran.
Yeah? I never claimed you did? It's like you're reading something entirely different to what I post.
n/a PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-01-17
I'm glad you've found the three good ones out there. I'm happy for you. Truly. But OP was asking a question definitely about the leftists we see most often, and if you want to answer or defend them, you have to take that into account.
It's the same convo because my post was literally a response to yours.
You accused me of gaslighting you when I said I wasn't making you defend the left. What was I supposed to take from that?
n/a SamInTheLoop 2017-01-17
Most people don't give a shit about CB's brand of social justice. They just don't. If that's "anti-SJW" then most people are.
n/a CrushCoalMakeDiamond 2017-01-17
No, "anti-SJWs" are the type of people who actively oppose "SJWs" and often consider there to be some SJW plot to ruin everything with political correctness or "cultural Marxism" or whatever. An anti-SJW is someone who rants about SJWs and tumblr and shit, an ordinary person doesn't even know what an SJW is supposed to be.
Most people are mostly apathetic about social justice beyond a slight leaning towards either "racism and stuff is bad" or "political correctness gone mad".
n/a SamInTheLoop 2017-01-17
I agree with you, but too often I see regular, normal people considered otherwise simply for not agreeing with the meta left sub jerks.
n/a yellowbridgefan 2017-01-17
What's funny it isn't because Saudi Arabia is muslim, it's specially because of Saudia Arabia's 'friendly' relationship with America. You won't mention Iran because they are opposed to 'Western Influence', and let's be real, all of you internet leftists just want to 'dismantle western capitalism'.
n/a lol-da-mar-s-cool 2017-01-17
Maybe if the left didn't continually shit on Maajid Nawaz, Sam Harris, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali I might believe you.
n/a brownwithpink 2017-01-17
well people shit on Sam Harris because he's shit
n/a Trynottobeacunt 2017-01-17
bingo.
n/a brownwithpink 2017-01-17
I'm a Pakistani Muslim guy and I don't get it. There's these white liberal people on reddit whose anti-Islamophobia efforts do the exact opposite of what they think they are doing. then they're silent on things that actually matter >_>
n/a PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-01-17
The worst part is they don't see that by constantly avoiding the conversation about radical islamic terrorism, they're actually allowing the alt-right to dominate the conversation on it.
n/a Trynottobeacunt 2017-01-17
Can I try and expalin it to you from what I've gathered?
I was once like these white liberal people (I'm still white and liberal, but I started talking to the people I claimed/ thought I was protecting and realized I was doing the opposite with my ommissions...).
n/a xjapxn 2017-01-17
Do you even believe this is wrong?
n/a CrushCoalMakeDiamond 2017-01-17
Yeah, do you really believe it's right?
The hard right have created this narrative that liberals and leftists saying Muslims and Islam are not inherently bad means they believe both can never be bad and that both Muslims and Islam are universally perfect. Go into a leftist sub and see how they feel about Saudi Arabia.
n/a Trynottobeacunt 2017-01-17
When did I try to make you say that Muslims and Islam are inherantly bad? Werent you literally just claiming I was basing my argument from strawmen?...
Fucking hypocrite.
n/a CrushCoalMakeDiamond 2017-01-17
When did I mention you? Chill your victim complex.
n/a Trynottobeacunt 2017-01-17
The thread is about me. And about the trope buzzgroup youre trying to place me in ;)
Do keep up will you...
n/a xjapxn 2017-01-17
Implying I haven't done this
n/a Holdin_McGroin 2017-01-17
Over at /r/exmuslim we've pretty much given up any hope that the left will ever address our issues.
Ironically, more people there are gravitating towards right wing parties than the left, which supposedly is for secularism.
n/a CrushCoalMakeDiamond 2017-01-17
You're probably conflating the left and liberals, liberal politicians don't condemn brutal Islamic regimes because it's not politically useful or because they want to do business with them. Conservatives tend to just condemn Islam and terrorists as it satisfies some of the anger their electorate feel without actually condemning the regimes themselves.
Happy cake day btw.
n/a AT89S51 2017-01-17
We just need to go full Hoxha.
n/a yellowbridgefan 2017-01-17
/u/CrushCoalMakeDiamond
You rationalize the suffering of others so you can feel nice and comfortable in your wonky convictions and beliefs
n/a CrushCoalMakeDiamond 2017-01-17
Point out any example of me rationalising the suffering of others.
n/a glmox 2017-01-17
they seem to have somehow convinced themselves that "virtue signalling" is something they say, and therefore any argument resembling it doesn't need to be refuted, which demonstrates a stunning lack of self-awareness, even for shallow internet leftists
n/a OnSnowWhiteWings 2017-01-17
"People get oppressed by Islamic doctrine and its followers