SRD is discussing the ethics of bashing the fash

55  2017-01-21 by bytewake

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This but unironically

fuck all racist cucks!

Eh, in reality, the right answer to a problem could come from anywhere on the spectrum. The belief in one grand unifying theory of 'correctness'--be it liberalism, conservatism, socialism, anarchism or any of the rest--is just a desire on the part of subconscious mind for simple answers.

It's possible for a left-wing whackjob to be the right person for the moment, or a right-wing one, or a centrist (and radical centrists are fools wedded to an ideology the same as all the rest, make no mistake about them; Tom Friedman is a radical centrist) one. It depends on the question more than the answer.

Yeah I agree, I was being ironic.

People with the right answers will probably be dogmatic assholes anyway. You need a wrong answer to keep them at bay.

Even fascism has some truths, and everyone comports with some fascist ideas at some time.

The centrist is both racist and cuck, he supports stop-and-frisk against "those people," while simultaneously believing that his girlfriend fucking Tyrone is progressive.

nice

Christ, could you guys stop editing already good images?

Smashies can't not bash fashies anymore than OP can't not be a fag.

I'm more a fan of mashing the hash tbh

Too bad all these people will stick up for fascist trash cans that deserved a good old beat down yesterday.

Don't forget those neo-Nazi store fronts.

I dont think the stupid american Sardines completely understand the fash-antifash relation in Europe.

No the existence of antifash didnt make the fash scared, at all.

Skinheads without anyone to fight aren't skinheads, they're just punks repressing their homosexual urges. Antifas aren't intimidating, their appearance is more like finding a porn stash before the Internet existed.

Dude the fascists here would enter an existencial crisis in the moment that the anti-fascists disappeared.

I dont think the stupid american Sardines completely understand

It's like with gypsies - they have very strong opinions on a subject they know fuckall about.

America has 1.5 million gypsies who are completely assimilated due to our superior tolerance

Kek

It's because the American dream of moving a lot, having tacky weddings, and ripping off anyone you can for more cash are fully compatible with gypsy values.

No the existence of antifash didnt make the fash scared, at all.

um how do you explain the battle of cable street then?

The battle of cable street was the greatest thing that ever happened to the BUF, their membership skyrocketed afterwards.

No the existence of antifash didnt make the fash scared, at all.

I don't think antifa gives a fuck what nazi shitheads think in the first place.

I wish antifas would encounter some actual Nazis, with tanks and bayonets and stuff.

Saying the word tranny = bad. Vigilante violence = good.

Lol, keep on keeping on SRD.

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Saying the word tranny = bad. Vigilante violence = good.

Um yup, pretty much.

Fight me.

Not literally, obviously!

The cool thing to realize about trannies is that they are only changing their gender, not their sex. And I don't recognize the concept of gender, so I don't have to think of them as women.

That's not what I was asking for a debate about, but thanks for playing.

Also, I don't have to have sex with them, because I choose my sex partners on the basis of their sex, not their "gender", whatever that is.

Holy strawman Batman

Dude, you literally brought up Hitler lol

In a conversation about nazis, yes.

/u/Miedzymorze21 So if all nazi's are hitler does that mean that all commies are Mao and Stalin?

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Gas all bots tbh

Gas the bots sentience war now

Day of the cable when?

All maoists and stalinists are, yes.

what does communism have to do with this.

Exactly what a Stalin would say

What does this even mean? Fuck Stalin. Fuck Mao.

Why would you say "fuck commies"? What have they done to you? Are you typing this from a gulag?

Fuck /u/lordtuts too...

But you didn't say fuck pol pot, pol-potist

Now, if you start the political violence, isn't there the slightest possibility that you've maybe become the fash?

tbh that's a stupid argument, because the answer is obviously "nope, not going to start beating up minorities all of a sudden".

And even a softer version, "what if at some point your definition of "fash" gets wide enough for you to terrorize civilians?" is kinda unlikely to actually happen.

A much better argument is to point out who street fights and escalating violence between fascists and communists resulted in being elected before.

Fascism has nothing to do with beating up minorities. And you're all for beating up 'skinheads' who, in my experience, are overwhelmingly underprivileged themselves.

Fascism isn't the same as most ideologies. Fascism is about tactics and rhetoric, not ideology, as it has a tendency to wear vastly different clothes according to what's traditional in a system.

Fascism has nothing to do with beating up minorities. [..] Fascism isn't the same as most ideologies. Fascism is about tactics and rhetoric, not ideology, as it has a tendency to wear vastly different clothes according to what's traditional in a system.

I disagree with you about that. There's an asymmetry here: neo-nazis would totally beat up minorities and try to Make America White Again if allowed, by physically exterminating or at best expelling everyone who is not.

Antifa on the other hand don't have any such goal, the worst you can say about them is that they might gradually extend their definition of the fash-bash target to include people who are not actually neo-nazis. I mean, they already do, but they can extend it even further.

However, it's a bit of a stretch and gets even more ridiculously stretched as you try to imagine the world where they are allowed to do their thing and turn it into some really weird dystopia where they oppress white people or something. And it's irrelevant because:

And you're all for beating up 'skinheads' who, in my experience, are overwhelmingly underprivileged themselves.

I am not for that, your tribalism is showing. I'm strongly against that because I believe that it will not end up in them indiscriminately bashing the white people as fash, it will end up with a literal Hitler elected if it ever comes to widespread street fights and such.

That's how actual Hitler was elected for one data point, but I have also an argument that says that this shit is in fact inevitable. It's based on the Thrive/Survive theory of the political spectrum, which, tl;dr, points out that all conservative viewpoints and attitudes make total sense in a situation of zombie apocalypse. Guns, traditional gender roles (females should be kept in your fallout shelter and be pregnant), distrust for outsiders, purity ethics and rituals, you name it.

Which is silly, but 100% true, and also not really silly because the conditions during a huge part of human race's existence weren't really all that different from zombie apocalypse. So if you're a member of a tribe striving to survive in some half-desert, you bet you're going to suspect all strangers of planning to kill you and rape your wife (because they factually do), and the very real probability of dying from dysentery and taking half of your tribe with you means that sure you'll have all these rules about disposing of blood of slain cattle, cleaning the pots you prepare meat in, not eating pigs, etc, and 50 more rules whose only purpose is to make sure that you know for a fact that food prepared by an outsider is haram, in case said outsider doesn't follow the reasonable rules.

That theory actually has some interesting and reasonably-sounding conclusions about progressives as well, but here the important parts are that:

  1. People probably have this "surviving in a zombie apocalypse" attitude they fall back to when things get dicey.

  2. Such people will support a strong leader who promises to defend them against enemies external and internal.

  3. There are few things more effective at turning people to the "zombie holocaust" mode and making them politically active and vote based on that than having "bashing the fash" happening in the streets.

It's even worse in our globally connected world, where every riot is broadcasted and feels like it's happening right outside your door, not somewhere else in the country of 300,000,000 people. Hitler's party got a majority in Reichstag on like 40/80 fash/commie fatalities (not just injured people), we wouldn't need half of that.

Is this copypasta?

No, why? Does it look weird?

No, its totally reasonable and 100% not insane and you should run for office next election.

Do you have anything to say about my actual argument, or is it, like, the Godwin's law gone wild?

I'm not saying "Trump is a fascist" or "The president after Trump will be totes real fascist", I'm pointing out the trends that got Hitler elected, that contributed a lot to Trump getting elected, and might contribute to things getting worse in that respect.

Yeah, sure, I hope that "it can't happen here", but, like, my point is that this sort of a hope doesn't mean that we should relax and applaud the anarchists bashing the fash. Because the reason it can't happen here is that now we know that it can happen if, so we stop it from happening?

Like, the point of learning from past mistakes is actually not doing the shit that caused them, right? "Yeah, it can't happen because now we know that it was bad" isn't worth anything if we don't make a conscious decision to not do the things that caused that?

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You gotta keep your posts short otherwise the autists sperg out.

i mean its an earnest effortpost in r/drama so kinda yeah

Antifa on the other hand don't have any such goal, the worst you can say about them is that they might gradually extend their definition of the fash-bash target to include people who are not actually neo-nazis.

Ever heard of The Terror, The Moscow trials, The Holodomor, Pol Pot, Mao's land reforms, the Cultural Revolution, or any other example when anti-fa got out of hand?

I don't think those things can be reasonably described as "anti-fa gotten out of hand".

First, they came for the pronouns...

No, violently attacking people like an ape is worse than believing in an ideology you don't agree with

No, violently attacking people like an ape is worse than believing in an ideology you don't agree with

tru, cumskins are hairless apes.

Do you really don't understand fascism if you think racism is an inherent part of it. That's Nazism no Fascism. Neither Mussolini nor Franco included racism as part of their fascist ideologies.

I'm saying that it's really hard to imagine Antifa ending up as a kind of fascists, no matter how many subtly different variations of fascism there were historically. See my other comment, if you want to argue that point.

I think it's pretty easy actually. Most Antifas are fans of violence if they agree with the victim, and are weak minded children. All it takes is a leader to come along that gives them an argument that plays into their own prejudices.

I think it's pretty easy actually. Most Antifas are fans of violence if they agree with the victim, and are weak minded children. All it takes is a leader to come along that gives them an argument that plays into their own prejudices.

And how does that look like, Antifas bashing random whites, being white is outlawed, all that stuff?

As I said in my other comment, this stuff really is asymmetric. And it very probably can't end up the same way violence from actual fascists ends up, it will end that way if anything. That's a thing to be concerned about.

Really? We should be concerned about the peaceful people who have been trying to have reasonable communication and write off as non-threatening the people who are being violent, destroying property and attacking the peaceful people?

and write off as non-threatening the people who are being violent

What the fuck, man. My entire point is that we shouldn't write them off, we should oppose them. https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/5patq2/srd_is_discussing_the_ethics_of_bashing_the_fash/dcq936c/?context=1

Sorry man, but you arguments aren't making much sense.

No worries man, I'm well accustomed to the futility of trying to talk some sense into retards. Have a nice day!

Nice ableism you fascist.

My posts have been commended as being strongly neuronormative which bothers some retards. The word itself makes some retards uncomfortable. Autism.

Battle of Cable Street resulted in Britain's only Communist MP getting elected.

That was because the communists won the Battle of Cable Street, though.

Moral of the story: when you fight the fash, fight to win.

I'm not saying electing a communist is a great idea (maybe they are OK in small doses but don't let them take over the government - but I digress)

Fascists are OK in small doses also.

That's better, but that still doesn't explain it to those knuckleheads who missed civics class apparently. In a democracy, we don't solve political disagreements with violence. The vote is a civil war simulation(the majority would win the war), so that we don't have to kill opponents when we disagree. By sanctioning violence on political enemies, they break the social contract that holds democratic societies together, ultimately pushing it towards a real, non-simulated civil war.

trump has guards to protect him> threatens political violence> is a fash

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Perhaps, if you don't live in an area where you're under imminent threat of being attacked by Nazis whenever you go shopping, it can be easy to fool yourself into thinking they can be defeated any other way.

/u/sososteel where do you live that Nazis attack you every time you step outside?

The internet.

Reddit in particular.

If watching Blues Brothers taught me anything, it's that Illinois has Nazis. So I'm going to guess Illinois.

/u/sososteel seriously, where is this utopia and how do I get there?

Haha, I guess my use of hyperbole was lost? Maybe it's a regional thing. If you go out in the day you're fine, it's about 10pm to dawn or 5am (whichever comes first) you have to watch out. It's only in cities and some towns, the countryside is mostly safe.

For obvious reasons I'm not gonna reveal my location, lol, but it's not in the USA :)

It's not our fault you live in a shithole run by violent militias. Leave America alone!

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"someone that advocates white supremacy and white nationalism"

"neo Nazis"

"fascists"

The OP is gone now, but if it's the video I'm thinking of, the guy is just a trumpette / centipede is he not? SRD users' application of all these far-right labels seem baseless to me.

I think you're confusing Richard Spencer (actual Nazi) with the ex-editor of Breitbart (who claims to not even be a white supremacist).

IDK what video was being referenced in the SRD thread but I assumed it was either this or this, since those are the ones I've seen that involve hats being stolen. Both those guys are just regular trump supporters I think.

The only way I can be more correct than my opponent is if he is literally Hitler.

They deleted it lol

/u/elfa82 continues with their abusive mod ways

Ugh, that was a shitty thread to wake up to.

as soon as it popped up I knew where it was heading. I wouldn't want to dig through that pile of shit either

Worst mod ever

Aww are you the little guy getting all upset over being a little dumbass who gets triggered over people realizing they are too stupid to come up with a thought other than REEEEE?

Fuckin gotem

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You know, I like this idea of violently attacking political opponents one deems dangerous. I'm starting to feel very threatened by the rise of marxism in the west, I'm glad they are setting the standard of dealing with them for me.

rise of Marxism in the west

I fucken wish m8

Are you going to rape me?

If they spent more time smashing the vag they wouldn't be so angry.

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