Nazis take advantage of a victim narrative to galvanise support, but they never paint themselves as victims. They paint themselves as the defenders of the victimized (white) people, behind which said people can gather to defend themselves. If you show them to be impotent, that ruins their entire narrative.
Leftists, on the other hand, also rely on a victim narrative, but they typically characterize themselves in an insurgent manner. Painting them as weak doesn't work as well because their style is already assymetric in nature.
The thing is, almost none of these people self-identifies as a Nazi or a supporter of Hitler.
Unless these people run around with shaven heads and swastikas, most Americans won't see you as attacking Nazis, but rather, as attacking Republicans.
Even most Democratic voters won't accept that. Your crackpot activists and bloggers might, but the typical woman who votes Democratic (and you rely on women for about 60% of your votes) will recoil in horror if you start getting violent in the streets. You will not win more than 4% of the white vote for a generation.
Punching one guy most people don't see as a Nazi anyway won't do that. Maybe if you punched Trump himself, but that won't happen.
And I think you're seriously overestimating the actual combat prowess of the typical leftist. Most men are conservative, so that side will have a larger pool from which to pick thugs than your side will.
There's this myth on the left, that the radical left never tried to confront fascists in Germany or Italia with violence. This myth is, of course, just that, and plenty of attempts at violence were made against the right in both countries. The thing is, in effect, it made the public support the right more, and allowed the right to get away with all manner of 'retaliatory' violence that easily exceeded anything from the left.
Attacks by leftists on street-level fascists have always been common, and have always rebounded in the fascists favor. People see some black Democrat punch a Republican in the face, and they don't see a noble leftist punching a Nazi, they see some street Thug attacking an normal American, because most people don't see these folks as Nazis.
The Brown shirts had their origin in the political violence. They were pretty much created to protect the nazi rallies due the rallies kept getting attacked.
Prediction: 10 socially awkward 20 something males with MAGA hats in a screaming match with 20 socially awkward left wing protesters. resulting video will be posted to right wing blog with "SJW" in the title.
This, but also a left wing blog with "fascist" in the title.
It's clearly bait. I mean who the fuck is so deluded into thinking /r/Portland would be receptive of a pro Trump rally. Honestly there's two options here, /u/google-no-agenda, you're either a mildly decent troll or a complete fucking retard. And based off your post history I'm going with complete fucking retard.
When I realized that, yeah, /r/Portland is a dumpster fire, I proceeded to just try to give a few folks some perspectives that they wouldn't normally hear in their north Portland socialist bubbles.
So if that person held a job, paid taxes, and was raising their American child without their dead beat American parent, they should deport the illegal parent. What should they do with the kid?
We do this all the time for other crimes. If you shoot someone, you may be an otherwise law abiding, constructive member of society, but we break up our family and put you in jail.
Likewise, the parent here broke a law, and they did so knowing what the consequences would inevitably be.
Ideally, I'd argue the parent could choose to take the child with them. If not they'd have to go into the foster system, if they're birthright citizens.
But how does this individual effect "most Americans" the only American they are effecting is their own child. They pay their fair share of taxes so they aren't a burden on society. essentially you're hurting the chance of an American to succeed by either sending them back to the country their parent left or putting them in foster care. So by your standards you're not respecting the best interests of Americans.
There are different levels of punishment though. Do you think a person who gets caught with a gram a weed deserves the same punishment as a person who commits assault? Clearly no. Laws have nuance and these situations should have nuance. But you're the one dumb enough to think fucking /r/Portland is going to be supportive of a trump rally so I'm not sure complexity will be something you can understand.
How much money are you willing to spend enforcing this? What if you're spending more on deporting the alien than they would accrue in unpaid taxes anyway?
Because it's not just unpaid taxes. It's the welfare state. Immigrants use welfare at much higher rates than citizens, illegals do so as well. As long as we have the robust social safety net we do, we have to enforce our border
And even counting the cost of benefits. We're talking about something like $50,000 per alien deported. Do you really think they use that amount of services?
The fedgov has set a 60 month limit on federal TANF and public assistance block grant funds. Nobody gets it for 20 years. You don't know what you're talking about.
Lol, your whole argument is based on reduced school lunches. SSI and TANF are hardly above 10 percent. They give school lunches to anyone who wants them, dummy. There's white families who have used them for the whole school career if their kids. It's fairly common even in middle class areas.
That chart doesn't show anyone using Medicaid for 20 years. The year axis charts how long they've been in the country, not how long they've been using services. You just read it wrong.
you're telling me the 40% of immigrants that were using medicaid after being here 5 years are completely different than the 40% that were using medicaid after 10 years which are completely different from the 40% that were here for 15 years which are completely different from the 40% that were here for 20 years.
We ran out of immigrants about half way through there.
The categories mean "Out of HoH who have been in America X Years, Y% used Service A". It doesn't mean that they were using it for X Years. It means that they had been in the country that long.
Because there might be an intervention at, say, 10 years, where a wave of people experience economic success and rely less on welfare. That's one explanation of many.
When we send the parents back, if their children are citizens, they should be able to choose whether or not to bring their children back with them or put them into the foster care system.
This will be a huge burden on the country, which is why nearly every other developed nation doesn't have birthright citizenship. I'm not saying we revoke citizenship for those already born, but keeping it moving forward is insane.
I would drive to Portland just to see the salt live. You know they would throw an absolute shit if and when a pro-Trump rally were to happen. They would break more shit than usual.
Let's be blunt here: Hillary's margin of 'victory' came from California, the state with the weakest voter security laws in the country and the highest concentration of illegal immigrants.
Democrats are not more ethical than Republicans. I don't doubt for a moment that at least some portion of her victory came from illegal votes from illegal voters.
/r/streetlights and /r/publicfreakout always need fresh content. I could stand to watch some basement dwellers get beat up by some edgelords in hoodies and skull masks. Do it, Portland.
I'm Canadian, but I preferred Trump over Hilary.
I love seeing how salty and bitter these idiots are.
If Trump actually deports illegal 'immigrants', these morons will go full suicidal domestic terrorist.
I'm very curious about how Nazis typically vote in elections. How do they fall on the political spectrum? Do Nazis exclusively vote against socialized health care? What if they support democratic beliefs and nazi beliefs? Does the world explode?
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n/a 80BAIT08 2017-01-26
Lol at the amount of people spouting child rape Hitler. So sheltered, the folly of youth.
n/a UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-01-26
Making Nazis look impotent is actually a sound strategy when their entire schtick revolves around an image of strength.
n/a google-no-agenda 2017-01-26
That's nice, but there were no Nazis in that thread, so...
n/a UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-01-26
Ok?
n/a WyrmSaint 2017-01-26
That's the problem with nazis. America loves victims nowadays.
n/a UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-01-26
Nazis take advantage of a victim narrative to galvanise support, but they never paint themselves as victims. They paint themselves as the defenders of the victimized (white) people, behind which said people can gather to defend themselves. If you show them to be impotent, that ruins their entire narrative.
Leftists, on the other hand, also rely on a victim narrative, but they typically characterize themselves in an insurgent manner. Painting them as weak doesn't work as well because their style is already assymetric in nature.
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-01-26
Actually, Nazis don't do any of those things because it isn't 1944 and they are all dead.
n/a UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-01-26
Yup. Nobody ever identifies with nazism as an ideology or espouses near-identical ideologies.
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-01-26
I identify as a McDonnell-Douglas AH-64 Apache helicopter.
n/a UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-01-26
> spraying Jihadzis with rockets, AGM-114 Hellfire missiles and autocannon
> spraying autocannons
> not listing the NATO standard
> not knowing your variant
I'm legitimately questioning the veracity of your claim.
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-01-26
I am a Hellfire fetishist. Nothing else gets me off.
n/a FuckURedditor 2017-01-26
The thing is, almost none of these people self-identifies as a Nazi or a supporter of Hitler.
Unless these people run around with shaven heads and swastikas, most Americans won't see you as attacking Nazis, but rather, as attacking Republicans.
Even most Democratic voters won't accept that. Your crackpot activists and bloggers might, but the typical woman who votes Democratic (and you rely on women for about 60% of your votes) will recoil in horror if you start getting violent in the streets. You will not win more than 4% of the white vote for a generation.
n/a UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-01-26
Holy shit, you just replied to every one of my comments in this thread in the span of five minutes. You must be pretty butt-flustered.
n/a jPaolo 2017-01-26
Aren't Republicans worse than Nazis tho?
n/a maetrix 2017-01-26
If the two parties were one of the 4 horsemen; Right would be War and left would be Pestilence by this description.
n/a UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-01-26
The Horseman of Death is memes.
n/a Assy-McGee 2017-01-26
I always knew /u/wsgy111 was the Anti-Christ
n/a wsgy111 2017-01-26
STOP SUMMONING ME REEEE
n/a FuckURedditor 2017-01-26
Punching one guy most people don't see as a Nazi anyway won't do that. Maybe if you punched Trump himself, but that won't happen.
And I think you're seriously overestimating the actual combat prowess of the typical leftist. Most men are conservative, so that side will have a larger pool from which to pick thugs than your side will.
n/a UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-01-26
Anyone who takes a second to look him up would see that he's a Nazi.
I never said anything about "combat prowess". That's just your insecurity talking. Also, lol at the phrase "combat prowess".
Uh, ok.
I'm not a leftist. You don't have to be a leftist to think that far right people are pathetic.
n/a fatclownbaby 2017-01-26
Most old men are conservative. Most young men are liberal.
n/a UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-01-26
Old people tend to be conservative. In other news, water is wet.
n/a HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-01-26
True but most conservatives are not alt-righters. I don't care much for alt-right new wave neo-nazis and their agendas.
n/a FuckURedditor 2017-01-26
There's this myth on the left, that the radical left never tried to confront fascists in Germany or Italia with violence. This myth is, of course, just that, and plenty of attempts at violence were made against the right in both countries. The thing is, in effect, it made the public support the right more, and allowed the right to get away with all manner of 'retaliatory' violence that easily exceeded anything from the left.
Attacks by leftists on street-level fascists have always been common, and have always rebounded in the fascists favor. People see some black Democrat punch a Republican in the face, and they don't see a noble leftist punching a Nazi, they see some street Thug attacking an normal American, because most people don't see these folks as Nazis.
n/a UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-01-26
You got any sources to back up all that shit?
n/a UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-01-26
Yeah, I'm not gonna read all that bullshit.
n/a Minimum_T-Giraff 2017-01-26
The Brown shirts had their origin in the political violence. They were pretty much created to protect the nazi rallies due the rallies kept getting attacked.
n/a Scummy_mofo 2017-01-26
Felons can vote
Lern2criminal, pleb
n/a My_ducks_sick 2017-01-26
/u/wzzzzrd is confirmed as hating black children. What an awful sub.
n/a wzzzzrd 2017-01-26
I actually find all children equally annoying!
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-01-26
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n/a SoButtscrewed 2017-01-26
If everyone invents cool shit nobody invents cool shit.
n/a wzzzzrd 2017-01-26
If everyone had a Tesla would yours be less useful?
n/a SoButtscrewed 2017-01-26
It would be much less valuable.
n/a AlbertBelleBestEver 2017-01-26
This, but also a left wing blog with "fascist" in the title.
n/a Bucklar 2017-01-26
Or white supremacist!
n/a junkker 2017-01-26
southpark neutrals reeee
n/a junkker 2017-01-26
southpark neutrals reeeee
n/a Pablopubes 2017-01-26
It's clearly bait. I mean who the fuck is so deluded into thinking /r/Portland would be receptive of a pro Trump rally. Honestly there's two options here, /u/google-no-agenda, you're either a mildly decent troll or a complete fucking retard. And based off your post history I'm going with complete fucking retard.
n/a google-no-agenda 2017-01-26
It started off as an honest attempt.
When I realized that, yeah, /r/Portland is a dumpster fire, I proceeded to just try to give a few folks some perspectives that they wouldn't normally hear in their north Portland socialist bubbles.
n/a Pablopubes 2017-01-26
Now that I have your attention:
Who do you mean by "our"?
n/a google-no-agenda 2017-01-26
American.
n/a Pablopubes 2017-01-26
What if the American has an illegal immigrant parent? Is it best for the American to deport the illegal parent?
n/a google-no-agenda 2017-01-26
It's best for all Americans to deport the parent. That person committed a crime, and our nations laws should be enforced.
They can come back the right way, starting at the back of the line.
n/a Pablopubes 2017-01-26
So if that person held a job, paid taxes, and was raising their American child without their dead beat American parent, they should deport the illegal parent. What should they do with the kid?
n/a google-no-agenda 2017-01-26
Yes. Thy broke the law.
We do this all the time for other crimes. If you shoot someone, you may be an otherwise law abiding, constructive member of society, but we break up our family and put you in jail.
Likewise, the parent here broke a law, and they did so knowing what the consequences would inevitably be.
Ideally, I'd argue the parent could choose to take the child with them. If not they'd have to go into the foster system, if they're birthright citizens.
If they're not, they go back too.
n/a Pablopubes 2017-01-26
But how does this individual effect "most Americans" the only American they are effecting is their own child. They pay their fair share of taxes so they aren't a burden on society. essentially you're hurting the chance of an American to succeed by either sending them back to the country their parent left or putting them in foster care. So by your standards you're not respecting the best interests of Americans.
n/a google-no-agenda 2017-01-26
Thy broke the law.
The punishment for that violation of law is deportation.
I don't really know why that's so hard to comprehend.
I don't care how productive a member of society they are.
If bill gates turned out to be here illegally, I'd be in favor of deporting him, too.
n/a Pablopubes 2017-01-26
There are different levels of punishment though. Do you think a person who gets caught with a gram a weed deserves the same punishment as a person who commits assault? Clearly no. Laws have nuance and these situations should have nuance. But you're the one dumb enough to think fucking /r/Portland is going to be supportive of a trump rally so I'm not sure complexity will be something you can understand.
n/a Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-01-26
So, if we changed the law so it was legal, you'd be ok with all the immigrants being here, right?
n/a silent_xfer 2017-01-26
You managed to avoid answering how they effect the lives of other americans. Lot of great aphorisms in there.
n/a Joan_Wayne_Gacy 2017-01-26
Keep him taking so he looks even more stupid.
n/a BannaHamHock 2017-01-26
REALLY good post
n/a jubbergun 2017-01-26
Send them to Hogwarts, IMO.
n/a freet0 2017-01-26
How much money are you willing to spend enforcing this? What if you're spending more on deporting the alien than they would accrue in unpaid taxes anyway?
n/a google-no-agenda 2017-01-26
Almost never.
Because it's not just unpaid taxes. It's the welfare state. Immigrants use welfare at much higher rates than citizens, illegals do so as well. As long as we have the robust social safety net we do, we have to enforce our border
n/a freet0 2017-01-26
And even counting the cost of benefits. We're talking about something like $50,000 per alien deported. Do you really think they use that amount of services?
n/a google-no-agenda 2017-01-26
Easily, given that immigrant welfare usage doesn't decline even 20 years after they arrive. No reason to think illegals function differently.
n/a Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-01-26
The fedgov has set a 60 month limit on federal TANF and public assistance block grant funds. Nobody gets it for 20 years. You don't know what you're talking about.
n/a google-no-agenda 2017-01-26
I know exactly what I'm talking about. I've researched this extensively because I didn't want to believe it was true.
http://cis.org/sites/cis.org/files/camarota-welfare-a15.png
Source: https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/sipp/data.html
n/a Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-01-26
Lol, your whole argument is based on reduced school lunches. SSI and TANF are hardly above 10 percent. They give school lunches to anyone who wants them, dummy. There's white families who have used them for the whole school career if their kids. It's fairly common even in middle class areas.
n/a google-no-agenda 2017-01-26
Right, just ignore medicaid altogether.
n/a Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-01-26
That chart doesn't show anyone using Medicaid for 20 years. The year axis charts how long they've been in the country, not how long they've been using services. You just read it wrong.
n/a google-no-agenda 2017-01-26
you're telling me the 40% of immigrants that were using medicaid after being here 5 years are completely different than the 40% that were using medicaid after 10 years which are completely different from the 40% that were here for 15 years which are completely different from the 40% that were here for 20 years.
We ran out of immigrants about half way through there.
n/a Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-01-26
No you're still making the same mistake.
The categories mean "Out of HoH who have been in America X Years, Y% used Service A". It doesn't mean that they were using it for X Years. It means that they had been in the country that long.
n/a google-no-agenda 2017-01-26
Then how is it possible, given that logic, that any of the values would ever go down (they do.)
n/a Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-01-26
Because there might be an intervention at, say, 10 years, where a wave of people experience economic success and rely less on welfare. That's one explanation of many.
n/a ComedicSans 2017-01-26
Lol, not at all a Clayton's choice. Call it what it is - deporting Americans.
n/a google-no-agenda 2017-01-26
They're not Americans.
They're not citizens
They're not here legally.
Ship them back.
n/a UseWhatName 2017-01-26
You ship cargo.
They're not cargo.
They're humans.
If you want to persuade people to see your point of view, maybe start there.
n/a ComedicSans 2017-01-26
The children are.
n/a google-no-agenda 2017-01-26
Some are, some aren't.
When we send the parents back, if their children are citizens, they should be able to choose whether or not to bring their children back with them or put them into the foster care system.
This will be a huge burden on the country, which is why nearly every other developed nation doesn't have birthright citizenship. I'm not saying we revoke citizenship for those already born, but keeping it moving forward is insane.
n/a PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-01-26
You're hilarious
n/a chanilastname 2017-01-26
If we really embrace 1984 the children should be encouraged to tattle on their parents.
n/a icyhat 2017-01-26
I would drive to Portland just to see the salt live. You know they would throw an absolute shit if and when a pro-Trump rally were to happen. They would break more shit than usual.
n/a SoButtscrewed 2017-01-26
Come to Utah I'll rally with you. Although I may be the only one doing it. Some douche vandalized all of my trump bumper stickers.
n/a BannaHamHock 2017-01-26
In the morning, slave!
n/a google-no-agenda 2017-01-26
Thank you for your courage.
n/a Worfs_Son 2017-01-26
ITM
n/a Senator_Chickpea 2017-01-26
Oh, Portland Portland.
Not "Portland" Portland
n/a Chicup 2017-01-26
We got jobs, the only ones that have time to rally for no reasons would be the neets.
n/a nicholasalotalos 2017-01-26
And the voting booth.
n/a Silented 2017-01-26
Not enough to win the popular vote apparently.
n/a LONGDICKLAMAR 2017-01-26
Good thing that doesn't matter.
n/a silent_xfer 2017-01-26
he literally made a joke about voter turnout, so, yes it does in this case, please kill yourself.
n/a junkker 2017-01-26
but voter turnout doesnt matter cause u lost lol @ you build the wall paco
n/a Tooshortmyass 2017-01-26
Actually he made a joke about winning the election
n/a silent_xfer 2017-01-26
Idk man. They went to the voting booths in smaller numbers than their opponents. It's pretty simple stuff here.
n/a Lesmothian 2017-01-26
Got more done with fewer people. That's what we call efficiency.
n/a LONGDICKLAMAR 2017-01-26
Hey fam I'm gonna need you to choose a flair before I can take you seriously.
n/a silent_xfer 2017-01-26
What does any of that mean. Are you OK? Did you have a stroke?
n/a LONGDICKLAMAR 2017-01-26
PICK FLAIR TANKIE
n/a FuckURedditor 2017-01-26
Let's be blunt here: Hillary's margin of 'victory' came from California, the state with the weakest voter security laws in the country and the highest concentration of illegal immigrants.
Democrats are not more ethical than Republicans. I don't doubt for a moment that at least some portion of her victory came from illegal votes from illegal voters.
n/a glmox 2017-01-26
lol
n/a Tooshortmyass 2017-01-26
Go register to vote online and see how easy it is. They even have "check this if your an illegal immigrant" options.
n/a Lesmothian 2017-01-26
I also heard that if you hand the poll worker your illegal immigrant card and give them the secret hand signal, they'll let you vote up to 20 times.
n/a SamInTheLoop 2017-01-26
They're both in it to win it. Clinton had more people vote for her, Trump win where it mattered. Not sure how either side can be that smug about it.
n/a HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-01-26
No proof of voter fraud in California.
n/a cuteman 2017-01-26
Win the popular vote? A contest with no rewards that has never been the metric used to determine the presidency.
She didn't win anything, she achieved something that didn't matter.
n/a bleepis 2017-01-26
lol at all the downvotes. theyre mad because its true. HE'S mad because its true
n/a its_never_lupus 2017-01-26
And there's this new social network called Facebook, I heard it has some Trump supporters too.
n/a the-fight-picker 2017-01-26
u/Albino_Namekian - you're doing the Lord's work.
n/a Albino_Namekian 2017-01-26
Haha, yeah I'm pretty happy with that one.
n/a baeb66 2017-01-26
/r/streetlights and /r/publicfreakout always need fresh content. I could stand to watch some basement dwellers get beat up by some edgelords in hoodies and skull masks. Do it, Portland.
n/a FreekyFreezer 2017-01-26
At the end of the year, every prostitute cocksucking will have their own gathering.
n/a Sardonic_Deity 2017-01-26
I'm Canadian, but I preferred Trump over Hilary. I love seeing how salty and bitter these idiots are. If Trump actually deports illegal 'immigrants', these morons will go full suicidal domestic terrorist.
n/a jPaolo 2017-01-26
Wow, and here I thought Canadians can't get more pathetic.
n/a AntiLuke 2017-01-26
At least they're not Polish.
n/a jPaolo 2017-01-26
They're half-Ukrainian which is even worse.
n/a PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-01-26
Get back to mining the maple syrup fields, pleb.
n/a tHeSiD 2017-01-26
really? rape, child molestation ?? why do liberals always throw in words that have nothing to do with the subject just to tarnish their "enemy"
n/a theblackburn 2017-01-26
Attacks by leftists on street-level fascists have always rebounded in the fascists favor.
n/a PoorLilMarco 2017-01-26
/u/santiamiam are there over 60 million Nazis in America?
n/a takaci 2017-01-26
lol what does that even mean. Since Nazis like Donald Trump every Trump supporter may as well be a Nazi?
n/a its_never_lupus 2017-01-26
yes and therefore, they can be punched at will!
Meet the modern Left, bad for civilization but very promising for drama.
n/a CharsCustomerService 2017-01-26
All cats are mortal.
Socrates was mortal.
Therefore, Socrates was a cat.
Nazis prefer Trump to Hilary.
Trump voters prefer Trump to Hilary.
Therefore, Trump voters are Nazis.
n/a SoButtscrewed 2017-01-26
I'm very curious about how Nazis typically vote in elections. How do they fall on the political spectrum? Do Nazis exclusively vote against socialized health care? What if they support democratic beliefs and nazi beliefs? Does the world explode?
n/a beer__shits 2017-01-26
8 years of this...
n/a TheRealTayler 2017-01-26
***4 if the guy isn't impeached. There is no fucking way he is going to be re-elected