How do you know they don't work? You're just like the person who says advertising doesn't work because you try to avoid the brands you see on TV all the time. Many successful protests were disruptive. Sounds more like people are afraid of being inconvenienced so they spread this myth around to make them feel good about ignoring the issue when the protests are peaceful.
MLK "inconvenienced" people when he shut down bridges and roads with his marches. Tough shit. That's how you get attention and make politicians solve the problem.
You protest to raise awareness of your cause. Being a pain in the ass is in no way required.
The purpose of shutting down highways and other distruptive acts was to get media attention. Messing with people who have nothing to do with the problems you're facing accomplishes nothing and should never be the goal of your protest but everyone seems to have forgotten that. MLK blocked highways so it's ok for us to do whatever the fuck we want.
Distruptive protest is pretty much pointless now that the internet exists; you don't need the news to inform you of everything. If 10,000 people gather in protest you'll probably hear about it regardless of whether or not they're being a nuisance.
Further, also partially thanks to the Internet, disruptive protesting that disrupts bystanders has the opposite affect as evidenced purely by this drama. People are pissed at Uber. People are pissed at the people that are pissed at Uber. People are pissed at the people that are pissed at the people that are pissed at Uber. The whole focus of the protest is no longer whatever the original protest is about, and is now the drama instead. It wouldn't have been as much about the drama if the protest was more polite. I mean, hell, if the protest was "cab companies create roadblock blocking president from entering Whitehouse, but not causing much not problems than that" it likely would have worked far better in the public eye, in terms of keeping the message on topic.
Thats not what MLK did at all, he didnt inconvenience your average dick or jane, he either boycotted public services or he tried to bait the police into attacking them and making the cops look bad, he ran an incredibly effective hearts and minds campaign, winning over moderates while still sticking it to the man
You ever see those pictures of people marching across bridges and roads? Guess what, those bridges and roads were blocked off and nobody could use them.
Still it was only meant to be a temporary inconvenience, an unintended consequence of their demonstration, meanwhile with protesters today the whole point is blocking traffic, which imo is a bit of a different thing
Still it was only meant to be a temporary inconvenience, an unintended consequence of their demonstration
No, it was intentional. The whole point of one branch of protesting is to shut down something of economic value and make people upset enough to call their local politicians and complain, ramping up the pressure for them to do something like compromising with the protesters. This is how many protest actions work - all these people acting as if BLM or the anti-Trump protesters need to make /r/drama peeps love them are deluded to be honest. If people ran protests based on this strategy then everyone could just ignore them. You have to fuck over the system to some extent and inflict some pain on people (in particular the politicians!) or you will never get anywhere.
we know that modern protesters dont give two shits about emergency vehicles, you know what Im saying?
That seems absolutely false to me. Chris Christie fucked over that bridge and someone died because they couldn't get to a hospital in time, but I haven't heard of any protesters denying emergency vehicles safe passage or anything like that. Can you link to some examples?
Im away from my CRM sources right now so Im not gonna challenge your first point, though I am skeptical. As for your second, it seems to happen at ecery protest over the past year, here are a few examples:
The first two are the same event I think and they were shouting "TRUMP" at one point lol (was this BLM or something else?). The second story is one sided, but looks like the people were being shitheads about it.
So I guess it happens, but this doesn't say it happens often. There were a lot of BLM and anti-Trump protests in the last couple years, so there should be literally hundreds of blocked ambulances if the protesters didn't really care.
The bus is for poor people, and nobody likes being poor. This is not how to send a message.
They should have arranged for people to take private cars for free to where they needed to go. Nice cars. Like a modern crossover or even an suv.
I'd be a lot more on board with the protesters' messages if it was delivered in a luxurious and convenient package, and I also got to where I was trying to go in a timely manner. An app would be good too.
Wake up sheeple. It's 2017. We don't have time to wait in traffic.
If one person blocks you when you're walking down a street and won't let you get past, that's assault. Why is it different just because there's a bunch of them and they have signs and shit? Protest all you want, but get the fuck out of the way while you're doing it, some people have shit to do.
You can't really compare these situations. One was apartheid against MLK's own people. This is just a bunch of leftists spazing out because they lost an election.
Yeah were banning an entire ethnic group from the US out of bigotry, no big problem, this is business as usual. In history books, it will problem be written "Hey, remember the time we banned Muslims? Geez we sure are proud of that moment, man that was a good time for us."
Inconveniencing me is the fastest way to get me to sympathize with the side opposite your cause. Good luck with that. These violent radical leftists have nothing in common with MLK, although I'm sure in their mentally ill state of mind they believe they do.
I believe every home in America should have a Keurig. That is my core belief. Not having a Keurig in your home leads to dysfunction and abuse.
Now imagine 25,000 people believing this and shutting down your local wal mart so you'll notice. Do you decide to change your beliefs? If not you're a hateful nazi. Actually if you shop at another local grocery store that's worse. Listen to my peaceful message you fascist. I'm the only one who can have the right political belief.
That's a silly example but this is how people are acting.
Thought you called yourself a socialist, why the hell does a socialist want to block people from getting to work and potentially having their families starve?
As opposed showing terrorists what's up by detaining tax-paying permanent residents of the United States and threatening to deport them to a country where they'd very likely have no resources and possibly not know a single person?
I just got out of work, but the administration I've heard is insisting everything was working exactly as intended. I heard the chief of staff was defending it today.
Who's fault is that? Maybe the president should put some thoughts into his EO and not mindlessly sign anything a Breitbart intern scribbled out while on the toilet. A leader is responsible for his subordinates, if he issues a vague order that gets misinterpreted that's on him m
I think you somehow missed the parts where I said "the government fucked up" and "this miscommunication is undeniably wrong". Could you possibly be any more defensive? Go argue with an actual retard, not someone who agrees with you.
Taxi drivers protested more frequent vehicle inspections in my hometown. Instead of once a year it'd be every 4 months, plus the inspection fee was lowered quite a bit with them being more frequent. They also protested having to replace their meters which could be tampered, with newer meters that are tamper proof.
tbh taxis are super shitty and I can honestly say I had my first "good" cab experience for the first time in a bout 3 years a couple days ago.
On the other hand uber is operating essentially under the same old shit as freemen on the land with their independent contractor bs. I don't like them for the simple fact they are touted as being so much better than cabs but that's really only because they don't have to follow the same bs as taxi companies.
On the third hand I hate unions (or more specifically the autists that actually run them) and would be a scab at the first opportunity I'm given. I give the win to uber right now.
Every single time I've had an uber ride, it's just been some hard working parent or college grad trying to work off debt or make the best of their situation. I even had a refugee once working to save up to get the rest of his family into the country.
And they're mad that uber (which they treat as some faceless corporation instead of individuals working their fucking asses off) isn't forcing its drivers to fuck off from one of the most profitable locations in the business.
If you ask any uber driver who waits at the airport, they'll tell you it's because it's an almost guaranteed long drive, and therefore more money.
I didn't wanna be fired up and sick at the same time, but I'm fucking pissed now.
56 comments
n/a SnapshillBot 2017-01-29
You're oversimplifying a complex situation to the point of adding nothing to the discussion.
Snapshots:
I am a bot. (Info / Contact)
n/a lifesbrink 2017-01-29
I just noticed the rest of the thread is a dumpster fire too.
n/a headasplodes 2017-01-29
Inconveniencing people who have literally nothing to do with trump or the ban will sure show him.
Actually one of the dumbest protests against trump so far which is really saying something
n/a RecallRethuglicans 2017-01-29
People will understand that the protests are because of Trump. It's the same reason that people after the election results protested to stop traffic.
n/a LemonScore 2017-01-29
No, people at this point are pretty familiar with the concept of leftists disrupting society to force their opinions on people through "protesting".
n/a RepliesToNarcissists 2017-01-29
🔥
n/a Jazzeki 2017-01-29
still prefer that to the rights choices of either shutting down the goverment or outright terrorism.
but to each their own.
n/a FuckURedditor 2017-01-29
Protests should inconvenience their targets, not the general population.
n/a P51Mike1980 2017-01-29
Which is why protests, such as this one, never ever work and push people in the opposite direction desired by the protestors.
n/a cheers_grills 2017-01-29
The left is working really hard for Trump's reelection, and it was only a week.
n/a fkjldsoljhodsgos 2017-01-29
How do you know they don't work? You're just like the person who says advertising doesn't work because you try to avoid the brands you see on TV all the time. Many successful protests were disruptive. Sounds more like people are afraid of being inconvenienced so they spread this myth around to make them feel good about ignoring the issue when the protests are peaceful.
n/a P51Mike1980 2017-01-29
K
n/a AlbertBelleBestEver 2017-01-29
"Hey, sorry I'm late for that important meeting: Trump. Please still give our firm the account though, pleeeaaase."
n/a Prince_Kropotkin 2017-01-29
How exactly do you think protests work?
MLK "inconvenienced" people when he shut down bridges and roads with his marches. Tough shit. That's how you get attention and make politicians solve the problem.
n/a headasplodes 2017-01-29
You protest to raise awareness of your cause. Being a pain in the ass is in no way required.
The purpose of shutting down highways and other distruptive acts was to get media attention. Messing with people who have nothing to do with the problems you're facing accomplishes nothing and should never be the goal of your protest but everyone seems to have forgotten that. MLK blocked highways so it's ok for us to do whatever the fuck we want.
Distruptive protest is pretty much pointless now that the internet exists; you don't need the news to inform you of everything. If 10,000 people gather in protest you'll probably hear about it regardless of whether or not they're being a nuisance.
n/a RepliesToNarcissists 2017-01-29
Further, also partially thanks to the Internet, disruptive protesting that disrupts bystanders has the opposite affect as evidenced purely by this drama. People are pissed at Uber. People are pissed at the people that are pissed at Uber. People are pissed at the people that are pissed at the people that are pissed at Uber. The whole focus of the protest is no longer whatever the original protest is about, and is now the drama instead. It wouldn't have been as much about the drama if the protest was more polite. I mean, hell, if the protest was "cab companies create roadblock blocking president from entering Whitehouse, but not causing much not problems than that" it likely would have worked far better in the public eye, in terms of keeping the message on topic.
n/a Alexlincoln2 2017-01-29
unless its a pro-life protest. then less than 5 lines will be spent covering it on average
n/a Ace4929 2017-01-29
Thats not what MLK did at all, he didnt inconvenience your average dick or jane, he either boycotted public services or he tried to bait the police into attacking them and making the cops look bad, he ran an incredibly effective hearts and minds campaign, winning over moderates while still sticking it to the man
n/a Prince_Kropotkin 2017-01-29
You ever see those pictures of people marching across bridges and roads? Guess what, those bridges and roads were blocked off and nobody could use them.
n/a Ace4929 2017-01-29
Still it was only meant to be a temporary inconvenience, an unintended consequence of their demonstration, meanwhile with protesters today the whole point is blocking traffic, which imo is a bit of a different thing
n/a Prince_Kropotkin 2017-01-29
No, it was intentional. The whole point of one branch of protesting is to shut down something of economic value and make people upset enough to call their local politicians and complain, ramping up the pressure for them to do something like compromising with the protesters. This is how many protest actions work - all these people acting as if BLM or the anti-Trump protesters need to make /r/drama peeps love them are deluded to be honest. If people ran protests based on this strategy then everyone could just ignore them. You have to fuck over the system to some extent and inflict some pain on people (in particular the politicians!) or you will never get anywhere.
That seems absolutely false to me. Chris Christie fucked over that bridge and someone died because they couldn't get to a hospital in time, but I haven't heard of any protesters denying emergency vehicles safe passage or anything like that. Can you link to some examples?
n/a Ace4929 2017-01-29
Im away from my CRM sources right now so Im not gonna challenge your first point, though I am skeptical. As for your second, it seems to happen at ecery protest over the past year, here are a few examples:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gvCdAuBBh0U
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LyUBwhNzZIU
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2IfyI69IQSg
n/a Prince_Kropotkin 2017-01-29
The first two are the same event I think and they were shouting "TRUMP" at one point lol (was this BLM or something else?). The second story is one sided, but looks like the people were being shitheads about it.
So I guess it happens, but this doesn't say it happens often. There were a lot of BLM and anti-Trump protests in the last couple years, so there should be literally hundreds of blocked ambulances if the protesters didn't really care.
n/a Minimum_T-Giraff 2017-01-29
Well you must agree that is quite counter-productive to piss off people that you hope would support political topic.
If my goal was reduce the support for a political topic i would do shit like this.
Politicians can just give em just middle finger if they are nuisance and unpopular .
n/a JohnnyLargeCock 2017-01-29
When I'm trying to make a sale I first poke the customer in the eye so they're definitely paying attention to what I'm selling.
n/a theboozehelps 2017-01-29
I hope it's just with your finger.
n/a JohnnyLargeCock 2017-01-29
The bus is for poor people, and nobody likes being poor. This is not how to send a message.
They should have arranged for people to take private cars for free to where they needed to go. Nice cars. Like a modern crossover or even an suv.
I'd be a lot more on board with the protesters' messages if it was delivered in a luxurious and convenient package, and I also got to where I was trying to go in a timely manner. An app would be good too.
Wake up sheeple. It's 2017. We don't have time to wait in traffic.
n/a Wethesheeples 2017-01-29
BAAAA, we are awake! What have you called us forrrrr??
n/a Vakieh 2017-01-29
If one person blocks you when you're walking down a street and won't let you get past, that's assault. Why is it different just because there's a bunch of them and they have signs and shit? Protest all you want, but get the fuck out of the way while you're doing it, some people have shit to do.
n/a FuckURedditor 2017-01-29
You can't really compare these situations. One was apartheid against MLK's own people. This is just a bunch of leftists spazing out because they lost an election.
n/a watermark02 2017-01-29
Yeah were banning an entire ethnic group from the US out of bigotry, no big problem, this is business as usual. In history books, it will problem be written "Hey, remember the time we banned Muslims? Geez we sure are proud of that moment, man that was a good time for us."
n/a P51Mike1980 2017-01-29
Inconveniencing me is the fastest way to get me to sympathize with the side opposite your cause. Good luck with that. These violent radical leftists have nothing in common with MLK, although I'm sure in their mentally ill state of mind they believe they do.
n/a StopTalkingOK 2017-01-29
MLK was a bitch
n/a TraurigAberWahr 2017-01-29
did he even lift?
n/a SoButtscrewed 2017-01-29
I believe every home in America should have a Keurig. That is my core belief. Not having a Keurig in your home leads to dysfunction and abuse.
Now imagine 25,000 people believing this and shutting down your local wal mart so you'll notice. Do you decide to change your beliefs? If not you're a hateful nazi. Actually if you shop at another local grocery store that's worse. Listen to my peaceful message you fascist. I'm the only one who can have the right political belief.
That's a silly example but this is how people are acting.
n/a 18aidanme 2017-01-29
Thought you called yourself a socialist, why the hell does a socialist want to block people from getting to work and potentially having their families starve?
n/a Ace4929 2017-01-29
Id they started claiming that these protests were a right wing conspiracy to get Trump reelected in 2020 then Id believe it
n/a JerfFoo 2017-01-29
As opposed showing terrorists what's up by detaining tax-paying permanent residents of the United States and threatening to deport them to a country where they'd very likely have no resources and possibly not know a single person?
Where did you drop your humanity?
n/a HitlersLittlestKike 2017-01-29
Oh boo hoo for the sandniggers
n/a JerfFoo 2017-01-29
6 day old comment. Nice meme.
n/a SoButtscrewed 2017-01-29
I think there was/is a lot of miscommunication. Which undeniably is still wrong, but the refugee ban will not effect permanent residents.
n/a JerfFoo 2017-01-29
I just got out of work, but the administration I've heard is insisting everything was working exactly as intended. I heard the chief of staff was defending it today.
n/a watermark02 2017-01-29
Who's fault is that? Maybe the president should put some thoughts into his EO and not mindlessly sign anything a Breitbart intern scribbled out while on the toilet. A leader is responsible for his subordinates, if he issues a vague order that gets misinterpreted that's on him m
n/a SoButtscrewed 2017-01-29
I think you somehow missed the parts where I said "the government fucked up" and "this miscommunication is undeniably wrong". Could you possibly be any more defensive? Go argue with an actual retard, not someone who agrees with you.
n/a DistortedLines 2017-01-29
Uber is literally destroyed now you guys. They should also try boycotting Google too.
n/a MargotRobbieRotten 2017-01-29
I swear taxi drivers just love to protest at any opportunity, pretty sure I hear about it two or three times a year.
n/a Crowsworth 2017-01-29
In the UK they are always on fucking strike, always having a fucking whinge about something.
Next it will be not enough sex workers to strangle and leave in a ditch if the immigration starts to slow its influx of eastern euro sex slaves.
n/a MargotRobbieRotten 2017-01-29
The worst one I recall is cab drivers going on strike because Uber had just become popular, way to ensure they get a large chunk of your customers
n/a LuntiX 2017-01-29
Taxi drivers protested more frequent vehicle inspections in my hometown. Instead of once a year it'd be every 4 months, plus the inspection fee was lowered quite a bit with them being more frequent. They also protested having to replace their meters which could be tampered, with newer meters that are tamper proof.
n/a captainpriapism 2017-01-29
lol i wonder why
n/a LuntiX 2017-01-29
Yeah, meter tampering got so bad that most people in my town opted to not take a cab unless absolutely required until the new meters were required.
n/a captainpriapism 2017-01-29
i swear these guys have done this because they have a shitty reputation, and saying theyre anti trump instantly gets sycophants supporting them
n/a metameanderer 2017-01-29
tbh taxis are super shitty and I can honestly say I had my first "good" cab experience for the first time in a bout 3 years a couple days ago.
On the other hand uber is operating essentially under the same old shit as freemen on the land with their independent contractor bs. I don't like them for the simple fact they are touted as being so much better than cabs but that's really only because they don't have to follow the same bs as taxi companies.
On the third hand I hate unions (or more specifically the autists that actually run them) and would be a scab at the first opportunity I'm given. I give the win to uber right now.
n/a captainpriapism 2017-01-29
yeah agreed with all of that
taxi services in general have been real opposed to uber and all of them because its usually a better service and theyd rather have less competition
seems pretty opportunistic to pull this sort of stuff
n/a StopTalkingOK 2017-01-29
They are right up there with longshoremen.
n/a 80BAIT08 2017-01-29
Uber drivers don't earn much and they gotta eat. No surprise the left is once again trying to attack hard working Americans.
n/a bleasehalb 2017-01-29
Fuck man i know at least 2 uber drivers that are Muslim and need the money to survive.
n/a SabadoGigantes 2017-01-29
The pornstar Janice Griffith's snapchat story about it lol
I wonder if she posts to CB2
n/a SamInTheLoop 2017-01-29
Tagged as "follows pornstars on snapchat because he thinks there's no enough porn already in the world".
n/a cheers_grills 2017-01-29
She can take 2 dicks, but one dick in white house is too much.
n/a HostOfTheNightmare 2017-01-29
This is pretty fucking disgusting.
Every single time I've had an uber ride, it's just been some hard working parent or college grad trying to work off debt or make the best of their situation. I even had a refugee once working to save up to get the rest of his family into the country.
And they're mad that uber (which they treat as some faceless corporation instead of individuals working their fucking asses off) isn't forcing its drivers to fuck off from one of the most profitable locations in the business.
If you ask any uber driver who waits at the airport, they'll tell you it's because it's an almost guaranteed long drive, and therefore more money.
I didn't wanna be fired up and sick at the same time, but I'm fucking pissed now.
These people are pathetic.
n/a John_Ketch 2017-01-29
Honestly, what even constitutes the "LOW EFFORT" tag nowadays? Feels like the mods tag it on every post.
n/a lifesbrink 2017-01-29
I don't put much effort into any of my drama, tbh