It depends. 5'7" is the average if you want to be compared to the malnuritioned and developmentally challenge of the globe. 6' is the American average.
Dude it's actually a sensitive issue among short people. Like the good ol' dick size debate, this one is also something that really can't be solved.
At least size queens don't exist everywhere unlike women who are judgemental as fuck about height. I know one guy from my college who bitched about his issues and talked about how "lucky" I am for being this tall.(5'11)
There are a lot of short actors actually. I don't buy Tom Hardy being 5'10''. I think it's pretty common to lie about your height just like female actors lie about their age. Ryan Gosling is clearly not 6' and Tom Hardy isn't any taller than 5'8''.
To be perfectly honest, as someone who ticks off all the "privilege boxes" (straight white male), I sometimes feel that my biggest "privilege" is my height.
People just instinctively have more respect for someone who is tall (as long as they aren't a lanklet)
You actually attempted to use your mod powers, which could not be more contrary to the spirit of the sub.
You are autistic enough to represent a certain large proportion of the user base, so I'll give you that. And I can't wait for when Trump's policies start biting you on the arse and you threaten to kill him or some other autist shenanigans.
Cultural Marxism was simply; a critique of The Culture Industry - what the alt-right today call the MSM.
Okay, so did I read this right? The implication here seems to be that the alt-right are the real Cultural Marxists based on the actual definition of that term (assuming this guy is correct.)
This guy is correct, and that is one irony of this whole situation. "Privilege theory" and "intersectionality" all emerge from "critical race theory". But in critiquing or objecting to this trend, you're engaging in a sort of critical theory of your own.
Not only that, but postmodernism can be summed up as "incredulity toward metanarratives". This incredulity is not only toward such meta-narratives as scientific rationalism and empiricism, but also toward meta-narratives like Marxism and socialism.
As far as "the alt-right" are also being incredulous toward at least some of these meta-narratives, they are at least partly partaking in a postmodern paradigm, whether they know it or not.
Why should modern American conservatives, who, when young, often like to paint themselves as science-based rationalists, have a problem with arch-materialist and atheist and rationalist Karl Marx? It can only be because they've reflexively absorbed traditional American anti-Communism and, I'm afraid to say it, there is always an under-current of anti-Semitism present in the "cultural Marxism" conspiracy theory.
But here is where the dialectics come in, and it becomes more interesting. Because contradictions and ironies are absolutely a Hegelian feature, and thus a Marxist one. The "alt-right" are ironically enacting a seemingly reactionary praxis which nevertheless has unconscious liberatory overtones, as even perhaps Trump is doing without being aware of it.
Such is the richness of the dialectic, if you believe in it, that they do not even know how Marxist they are being.
Because contradictions and ironies are absolutely a Hegelian feature, and thus a Marxist one.
Hegelian analysis is no proof of a Marxist, because Marx followed Hegel. You wouldn't call a Hegelian in 1820 a Marxist, you'd call him a Hegelian. Marx's existence doesn't change that. This is kind of ridiculous reasoning - someone interpreting an argument doesn't mean anyone else who also interprets said reasoning is following on from the original interpreter. Lenin built on Marx - all modern Marxists are not Leninist.
That said - this:
Such is the richness of the dialectic, if you believe in it, that they do not even know how Marxist they are being.
Is very true. But the neo-fascists do not shy away from such comparisons. Richard Spencer is a great supporter of identity politics, which follows from critical theory. The "alt right" must really be separated entirely from modern conservatism, or even from working class nazism or the KKK, despite similar conspiracy theories, antisemitism, racism and so on. It is a different intellectual beast entirely. Some people say Spencer and co are merely skinheads wrapped in pseudo-intellectual foundations. And certainly, their logic is flimsy at best. But it is, in its own twisted, warped way, a critical theory of its own.
I should add as an aside, that the fascists don't care for Marx, but he isn't their ultimate enemy. Far right opposition to Marxism is mostly just plain old antisemitism, a legacy from when there were lots of Jewish leftists in post WW1 Germany - e.g. the sparrtacists and so on. There is no great fascist ideological criticism of communism beyond general criticisms of impracticality common to all anti-communists and a hatred of Jews.
/u/quietthomas not to be pedantic but Nancy Fraser is definitely not a member of the Frankfurt School. She is a critical theorist, but the term "Frankfurt School" refers either to the actual institution, or to the small group of thinkers associated with that institution.
I agree though that it's more than a bit odd that the Frankfurt School has become the big enemy for a lot of zany right wingers, given they've been so often attacked by postcolonialists and idpol types for their universalism and supposed Eurocentrism.
I agree; Nancy Fraser is NOT a part of the Frankfurt School; however many people on the alt-right unfortunately don't delineate between The Frankfurt School and Critical Theory in general. So the quickest way to make them reassess what their worldview is to highlight the very strong and coarse contradictions within it; using their own terms and meeting them at their own level of understanding.
Cultural Marxism, on the other hand, is pretty much just another word for "political correctness" but it's more specific in that it better describes the postmodern ideology upon which it's based.
I am somehow 100% certain that this person has never read 1. Any Marx. 2. Any of the Frankfurt School. 3. Any postmodern theory. 3. Any books about any of the above.
If he had, he would know that Marxism and postmodernism are fundamentally opposed ideas.
There is really no excuse for this kind of ignorance, when we all have the internet at our fingertips. He could at least read the first paragraph of a Wikipedia article if he's going to talk about these things at all.
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n/a SnapshillBot 2017-01-29
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n/a no_maps_no_plans 2017-01-29
manlets lmao
n/a MasterLawlzReborn 2017-01-29
Basically subhuman
n/a squarefaces 2017-01-29
*absolutely subhuman
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-01-29
acidically subhuman.
n/a EmotionallyMatureDM 2017-01-29
aren't you a manlet?
n/a bytewake 2017-01-29
he's self-aware at least
n/a MasterLawlzReborn 2017-01-29
Nope, I'm a perfectly average 5'7"
n/a pigeondoubletake 2017-01-29
5'7" master race
n/a jPaolo 2017-01-29
5'7" are hobbits. Men begin at 6 feet
n/a InOranAsElsewhere 2017-01-29
Literally this. Men who're under 6 foot don't even qualify as men.
n/a serialflamingo 2017-01-29
Is 5'7" really average? I thought like 5'9" was average.
n/a presidenttrump_2016 2017-01-29
https://i.imgur.com/Jqq4A.jpg
n/a serialflamingo 2017-01-29
Phew!
n/a MakeAmericaSageAgain 2017-01-29
Delusional lanklet
n/a serialflamingo 2017-01-29
smdh
n/a squarefaces 2017-01-29
U r bootiful bby
n/a serialflamingo 2017-01-29
Thank u bb so r u <3
n/a drvgyn 2017-01-29
if you aren't over 6'7" you are a midget, at least accept that instead of making fake charts to hide your insecurities.
n/a FreeRobotFrost 2017-01-29
It depends. 5'7" is the average if you want to be compared to the malnuritioned and developmentally challenge of the globe. 6' is the American average.
Here's a quick pic for proof.
n/a Nazi_Frogs 2017-01-29
Randy Newman was right about them all along.
n/a Wraith_GraveSpell 2017-01-29
Literally below average humans.
n/a Fartkin 2017-01-29
At least they'd make good women if they ever decide to transition like nature intended.
n/a Fiery1Phoenix 2017-01-29
Manlets like /u/geoffreyarnold are cucks
n/a maljbre19 2017-01-29
When will they learn?
n/a MasterLawlzReborn 2017-01-29
This isn't drama at all but it's probably one of the most entertainingly retarded things I've seen on Reddit so I'll allow it
I mean lmao they're genuinely discussing height bigotry in movies
n/a tritter211 2017-01-29
Dude it's actually a sensitive issue among short people. Like the good ol' dick size debate, this one is also something that really can't be solved.
At least size queens don't exist everywhere unlike women who are judgemental as fuck about height. I know one guy from my college who bitched about his issues and talked about how "lucky" I am for being this tall.(5'11)
n/a The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-01-29
Maybe for ugly short people
n/a Cleverly_Clearly 2017-01-29
Most famous actors are short, right?
n/a OnlyRacistOnReddit 2017-01-29
Tom Cruise is a manlet, checkmate /r/short!
n/a bytewake 2017-01-29
and for those that aren't short, a large number are just average height. Tom Hardy is like 5'10. same with Johnny Depp. Orlando Bloom is 5'11
I bring these up because there are a number of people over there complaining about being 5'9-5'11
n/a cimarafa 2017-01-29
Complaining about being 5'11 as a dude is just dumb.
n/a bytewake 2017-01-29
yeah but some girls list 6' only on their profile so being 5'11 is really like being 5'1 /s
n/a AllocatedData 2017-01-29
However talk it says a celebrity is online subtract one or two inches.
n/a geraldo42 2017-01-29
There are a lot of short actors actually. I don't buy Tom Hardy being 5'10''. I think it's pretty common to lie about your height just like female actors lie about their age. Ryan Gosling is clearly not 6' and Tom Hardy isn't any taller than 5'8''.
n/a hlary 2017-01-29
well even if you work out you only become a compensating manlet
n/a DistortedLines 2017-01-29
Thats nature solvimg the problem
n/a InOranAsElsewhere 2017-01-29
Huh, two total non-issues.
n/a Hitlery_Clinton 2017-01-29
Somebody is confused about being a mod again
n/a clarkeff 2017-01-29
To be perfectly honest, as someone who ticks off all the "privilege boxes" (straight white male), I sometimes feel that my biggest "privilege" is my height.
People just instinctively have more respect for someone who is tall (as long as they aren't a lanklet)
n/a darth_stroyer 2017-01-29
Realising that tall people are more respected and considered beautiful: fine
Complaining about cultural marxism and accusing a movie of heightism: autism
n/a nybbas 2017-01-29
People want to talk about privilege, being born attractive and rich are pretty much the biggest "privileges" you can have.
n/a SplurgyA 2017-01-29
It's certainly more entertaining than La La Land.
n/a ComedicSans 2017-01-29
Ayyy, acting like he has authority or influence.
n/a subpoutine 2017-01-29
not flopping your giant flair dick on his forehead
I used to respect you.
n/a ComedicSans 2017-01-29
I'll pull it out just for you, bb.
n/a subpoutine 2017-01-29
Oh fuck yeah
n/a bytewake 2017-01-29
thx for having my back fam
n/a ComedicSans 2017-01-29
I'm a people person.
n/a MasterLawlzReborn 2017-01-29
I may not be a mod in a literal sense, but I think we can all agree that I'm a mod in spirit, both for this subreddit, and in your hearts.
n/a ComedicSans 2017-01-29
You actually attempted to use your mod powers, which could not be more contrary to the spirit of the sub.
You are autistic enough to represent a certain large proportion of the user base, so I'll give you that. And I can't wait for when Trump's policies start biting you on the arse and you threaten to kill him or some other autist shenanigans.
n/a Malevolent_USB_Drive 2017-01-29
Keep Yourself Safe
n/a bytewake 2017-01-29
at least give me credit for not adding another agenda post to the sub
besides, like you said it's fucking hilarious
n/a cuteman 2017-01-29
But aren't most actors ridiculously short? I'm in Hollywood all the time and the majority I've seen are tiny. Well under 5'10" most of them.
n/a OiBoiFloyd 2017-01-29
The Jews are responsible for short people.
n/a thajugganuat 2017-01-29
What is the point of this comment
n/a malek125 2017-01-29
You can't handle the truth
n/a ComedicSans 2017-01-29
Drama, presumably.
n/a cheers_grills 2017-01-29
Open your eyes sheepie.
n/a fourcrew 2017-01-29
To uncuck your dumbass brain.
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-01-29
big if true
n/a squarefaces 2017-01-29
Tru cuz small
n/a revised_and_updated 2017-01-29
Please stop irresponsibly misusing memes. This what leads to the death or normiefication of great memes.
n/a Burnnoticelover 2017-01-29
obligatory
n/a Thhueros 2017-01-29
-Taylor Swift
n/a DistortedLines 2017-01-29
Perfect aryan waifu tbh
n/a DuckHuntHotDog 2017-01-29
Okay, so did I read this right? The implication here seems to be that the alt-right are the real Cultural Marxists based on the actual definition of that term (assuming this guy is correct.)
n/a LemonScore 2017-01-29
Also, the "alt-right" invented the term main-stream media.
n/a DCanon 2017-01-29
cue some SRS fag saying that it was actually invented by some pepe worshipping false flag operation
n/a sadrice 2017-01-29
It was one criticism, alt-right is a different one from a very different perspective.
n/a DuckHuntHotDog 2017-01-29
Probably, but it's funny that people decried by them as Cultural Marxists are the very same ones the actual Cultural Marxists decry.
n/a michaelnoir 2017-01-29
This guy is correct, and that is one irony of this whole situation. "Privilege theory" and "intersectionality" all emerge from "critical race theory". But in critiquing or objecting to this trend, you're engaging in a sort of critical theory of your own.
Not only that, but postmodernism can be summed up as "incredulity toward metanarratives". This incredulity is not only toward such meta-narratives as scientific rationalism and empiricism, but also toward meta-narratives like Marxism and socialism.
As far as "the alt-right" are also being incredulous toward at least some of these meta-narratives, they are at least partly partaking in a postmodern paradigm, whether they know it or not.
Why should modern American conservatives, who, when young, often like to paint themselves as science-based rationalists, have a problem with arch-materialist and atheist and rationalist Karl Marx? It can only be because they've reflexively absorbed traditional American anti-Communism and, I'm afraid to say it, there is always an under-current of anti-Semitism present in the "cultural Marxism" conspiracy theory.
But here is where the dialectics come in, and it becomes more interesting. Because contradictions and ironies are absolutely a Hegelian feature, and thus a Marxist one. The "alt-right" are ironically enacting a seemingly reactionary praxis which nevertheless has unconscious liberatory overtones, as even perhaps Trump is doing without being aware of it.
Such is the richness of the dialectic, if you believe in it, that they do not even know how Marxist they are being.
n/a DuckHuntHotDog 2017-01-29
I am ashamed to admit I read and understood everything you said and found it interesting.
n/a cimarafa 2017-01-29
I agree with most of your post but not with this:
Hegelian analysis is no proof of a Marxist, because Marx followed Hegel. You wouldn't call a Hegelian in 1820 a Marxist, you'd call him a Hegelian. Marx's existence doesn't change that. This is kind of ridiculous reasoning - someone interpreting an argument doesn't mean anyone else who also interprets said reasoning is following on from the original interpreter. Lenin built on Marx - all modern Marxists are not Leninist.
That said - this:
Is very true. But the neo-fascists do not shy away from such comparisons. Richard Spencer is a great supporter of identity politics, which follows from critical theory. The "alt right" must really be separated entirely from modern conservatism, or even from working class nazism or the KKK, despite similar conspiracy theories, antisemitism, racism and so on. It is a different intellectual beast entirely. Some people say Spencer and co are merely skinheads wrapped in pseudo-intellectual foundations. And certainly, their logic is flimsy at best. But it is, in its own twisted, warped way, a critical theory of its own.
I should add as an aside, that the fascists don't care for Marx, but he isn't their ultimate enemy. Far right opposition to Marxism is mostly just plain old antisemitism, a legacy from when there were lots of Jewish leftists in post WW1 Germany - e.g. the sparrtacists and so on. There is no great fascist ideological criticism of communism beyond general criticisms of impracticality common to all anti-communists and a hatred of Jews.
n/a InOranAsElsewhere 2017-01-29
This conversation is way too deep for /r/drama.
n/a Malevolent_USB_Drive 2017-01-29
Your mistake was not reading Hegel exclusively from tertiary sources.
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-01-29
fucking manlets, when will they learn about the materialistic nature of reality.
n/a DoctorFahrenheit 2017-01-29
Guys, just wear nike airs, it gives you two inches.
n/a RaRaRaV1 2017-01-29
But then they would have to wear nike airs...
n/a iceberglettuce1 2017-01-29
Racist midgets? Impressive.
n/a Ylajali_2002 2017-01-29
/u/quietthomas not to be pedantic but Nancy Fraser is definitely not a member of the Frankfurt School. She is a critical theorist, but the term "Frankfurt School" refers either to the actual institution, or to the small group of thinkers associated with that institution.
I agree though that it's more than a bit odd that the Frankfurt School has become the big enemy for a lot of zany right wingers, given they've been so often attacked by postcolonialists and idpol types for their universalism and supposed Eurocentrism.
n/a quietthomas 2017-01-29
I agree; Nancy Fraser is NOT a part of the Frankfurt School; however many people on the alt-right unfortunately don't delineate between The Frankfurt School and Critical Theory in general. So the quickest way to make them reassess what their worldview is to highlight the very strong and coarse contradictions within it; using their own terms and meeting them at their own level of understanding.
n/a michaelnoir 2017-01-29
I am somehow 100% certain that this person has never read 1. Any Marx. 2. Any of the Frankfurt School. 3. Any postmodern theory. 3. Any books about any of the above.
If he had, he would know that Marxism and postmodernism are fundamentally opposed ideas.
There is really no excuse for this kind of ignorance, when we all have the internet at our fingertips. He could at least read the first paragraph of a Wikipedia article if he's going to talk about these things at all.
n/a LadyVetinari 2017-01-29
/u/geoffreyarnold in light of the above post, what do you have to say for yourself?
n/a JumbledFun 2017-01-29
Once again /r/GeoffreyArnold is making a BiG deal out of the small issues he faces in his quaint little life
n/a bytewake 2017-01-29
u messed up your username ping fam
n/a double-happiness 2017-01-29
Habermas's critique of postmodernism on the basis of performative contradiction and the paradox of self-reference sets the tone and the terms for much of the critical debate now under way. While postmodernists have rejected these criticisms, or responded to them with rhetorical counter-strategies. Lyotard, for example, rejects the notion that intersubjective communication implies a set of rules already agreed upon, and that universal consensus is the ultimate goal of discourse (see Lyotard 1984 [1979], 65-66).
Crikey, I'm not an anti-capitalist in the slightest (I'm actually "left-librarian"), but I'm not sure that is true.
n/a bytewake 2017-01-29
I've found librarians to be pretty peaceful tbh
n/a double-happiness 2017-01-29
Just don't highlight / underline in the fucking books, that's all I ask.
n/a Malevolent_USB_Drive 2017-01-29
RADICAL FREEDOM! I WRITE IN WHATEVER BOOKS I WANT!
n/a Clark_Savage_Jr 2017-01-29
I take them home and rebind them with horrendous fabric covers. Sometimes I add spelling errors to the titles.
n/a double-happiness 2017-01-29
https://i.imgur.com/8mJXrur.gif
n/a Clark_Savage_Jr 2017-01-29
Sometimes, I unwrap Kraft American cheese slices and leave one or two between the pages.
n/a Chicup 2017-01-29
Somewhere there is a redditor who is subscribed to /r/short, r/smalldickproblems and r/aznmasculinity.
That poor poor little ferrow.
n/a Chicup 2017-01-29
Somewhere there is a redditor who is subscribed to /r/short, r/smalldickproblems and r/aznmasculinity.
That poor poor little ferrow.
n/a ExtreemWeenie 2017-01-29
i wish /r/manlethate was more popular