While true, it doesn't matter. Men, unlike women are very willing to partner up (at least sexually) with women far below "average" attractiveness regardless of how attractive the man is. I mean it's why there's so many subreddits dedicated to men who can't get any (incels, short, hapas etc...)
It's also why there's the whole "slut" issue. Basically there are a few men who can get lots of women, but women are more discriminatory and all go for the same guy.
So, while yes, "average" men are considered more attractive than "average" women, and there are issues with that statement as well, even below average women are much more successful than below average men. Because even the hottest men are willing to "punch below their belt" so to speak.
Now, yes that's an issue that feminism tries to tackle. Why are "slutty" women looked down on, but men who have sex with thousands of girls totes OK. Yet some how that issue is totally drowned out.
What I'm trying to say is, as a society we need to stop slut shaming. If below average men want a chance at sex, women as a whole need to think like men, which is to say that they need to believe having thousands of partners is totally OK. Then, and only then would your statement matter. As of now though, women still believe they shouldn't just slut out like crazy.
The weirdest thing to me though, is that the same group that basically NEEDS women to be total sluts is the same group that slut shames. I mean if you read those awful subreddits, they always go on and on about how awful it is that women aren't virgins and shit. How does that make any fucking sense? You don't want to be a virgin? Then you need sluts.
Why would we want below average men to have more sex? Then they'd create a bunch of below average children. The obvious solution is to slut-shame men as well.
they've "cracked the code" of how to perfectly interact with women
That code? Opening the conversation with "I'll totally let you peg me, and you don't even have to confine yourself to a single partner with me - I'm slightly more progressive than your average man, you see". At least judging by that thread.
You've discovered that individuals aren't static and sometimes respond differently based on different framing, their mood, their change in perspective over time, the landscape of posts the entry is made in, etc. Congratulations on finally picking up something you should've figured out in high school.
Lol, that was a whole lot of bullshit talk to say that some people are hypocrites /u/maladjust
One of the saddest manginas. I remember when one user talking about being hesitant to date a single mom, and /u/Maladjust-- called him out saying he "wasn't mature enough"... lol
Hahaha I just had a fling with an 18 year old at 34. Might have been more if she didn't have to go back to Aus. Scandalous!
Actually the looks I got from women my age were fucking lethal. That and dads with teenage daughters. Doesn't help that there's definitely some gray in my beard these days.
Well, there was definitely a segment of dudes that are like "damn that girl looks kind of like my daughter and you look almost my age". I can't imagine that being exactly comfortable. Those are about the only people that made me feel a touch guilty. But otherwise mostly just a bit of smirky envy from the male set.
Holy fuck, that post is a work of art. That dude just throughly broke down why the sub is full of hypocritical shitheads and half of them didn't even say why he was wrong, they just got super angry and insulted him
Would you care to join the discussion? What about this post was so infuriating to you? When someone confronts you about being a hypocrite most people recognize their failings and try to improve themselves. Instead you react with anger, how come?
It was a case study in confirmation bias, as I expect this thread to be.
He wanted to find lots of the same people reacting differently. He found one, by his own admission, and then barreled ahead with the conclusion he wanted to find.
His "experiment" didn't show what he wanted it to show, nor does it show what you want it to show.
Did you even read OP? He lists 8 users comments, his identical post was downvoted, all his comments were downvoted. He was insulted, his manhood was questioned. None of this happened to the female poster. His point wasn't to show the exact same posters flip-flopping. His point was to show how the whole sub reacted differently based on the gender. How it applied a double-standard.
Instead of seeing this as an eye opener most people in the comment section were disagreeing with him (including you) or making fun of him to take the focus off his point. Admitting you're wrong isn't nearly as bad as what you're doing right now.
Reading /u/scotch_please user history, she even says she prefers to date older men. Yet none of you can see the double-standard? I don't know how much rationalization that takes, but it doesn't sound healthy.
Which is all he and you can actually support with evidence.
He can support with evidence that the sub reacted differently to an identical post with only the genders switched. This is supported by looking at the downvotes.
Of course I don't mean 'every single user' when I say the "whole sub". You have to agree that the comments and number of upvotes is the only means available for a sub to collectively express itself on an issue. If they all point to one thing; 'men dating young bad, women dating young meh/good' it says that this is the general attitude on the sub.
Do you agree that the number of upvotes and the tone of comments on a post indicate what the sub thinks about the post? If not there is no point to continue.
cognitive dissonance
Okay, so now we've got rationalization and projection. Any more defense mechanisms you want to bust out to protect your ego?
Based on what? "Sample size" is one of those Internet wannabe terms that people throw around without meaning anything. Wanna show your stat work on how you determined that?
I asked Maladjust this in the thread back when it happened, but he never responded so I figured I'll ask you this here.
Are you insinuating that you honestly believe I just happened to "get unlucky" and post that thread (not the gotcha thread, the first one) when a negative group of users happened to online/browsing the sub, and the original woman was just lucky enough to post at the "right time" when encouraging users were online? Do you really believe this?
Women go downhill much faster than men, fact. Why the fuck would a 40 year old man go for a 40 year old woman when he can get a 30 year old with no issue? Sorry, as unfair as it is older women have significantly less value then older men do when dating.
I have a feeling women would stay youthful longer if they didn't constantly manhandle their faces. One brush of the skin isn't going to do much, but a brush every day for 20+ years, your weekly cleansing scrub, get some loofa action in there. All that shit's going to cause some major erosion. Every time you run a rough surface across your skin you're damaging it, and it can't repair that damage if you're doing it literally nonstop.
What OP doesn't realize is people feel bad for old, single women. They're just kind of...sad. An older man is cool, he's got options, so of course they're going to chimp out on him if he talks about getting some younger poon as his natural biological drives command him.
Yup, shame is a pretty useful tool to try to craft a society that benefits you. Its nice to realize so you can act shamelessly yourself (just don't get caught!)
As a mid 40s guy who has had a few 20 somethings in the last couple of years I have an observation. Young women suck at blowjobs. That's a skill most don't master until mid 30s.
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n/a SnapshillBot 2017-02-03
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n/a Gunryk 2017-02-03
An average looking man is much more attractive than an average looking woman, prove me wrong.
n/a Tar-mairon 2017-02-03
You're not wrong. You're just gay.
n/a DistortedLines 2017-02-03
Just admit it, its the hardest redpill to swallow.
n/a sinnerdinner 2017-02-03
That's cause he's not gay
n/a joncash 2017-02-03
While true, it doesn't matter. Men, unlike women are very willing to partner up (at least sexually) with women far below "average" attractiveness regardless of how attractive the man is. I mean it's why there's so many subreddits dedicated to men who can't get any (incels, short, hapas etc...)
It's also why there's the whole "slut" issue. Basically there are a few men who can get lots of women, but women are more discriminatory and all go for the same guy.
So, while yes, "average" men are considered more attractive than "average" women, and there are issues with that statement as well, even below average women are much more successful than below average men. Because even the hottest men are willing to "punch below their belt" so to speak.
Now, yes that's an issue that feminism tries to tackle. Why are "slutty" women looked down on, but men who have sex with thousands of girls totes OK. Yet some how that issue is totally drowned out.
What I'm trying to say is, as a society we need to stop slut shaming. If below average men want a chance at sex, women as a whole need to think like men, which is to say that they need to believe having thousands of partners is totally OK. Then, and only then would your statement matter. As of now though, women still believe they shouldn't just slut out like crazy.
The weirdest thing to me though, is that the same group that basically NEEDS women to be total sluts is the same group that slut shames. I mean if you read those awful subreddits, they always go on and on about how awful it is that women aren't virgins and shit. How does that make any fucking sense? You don't want to be a virgin? Then you need sluts.
n/a OniTan 2017-02-03
In other words, sluts should lower their standards.
n/a Akilroth234 2017-02-03
Why would we want below average men to have more sex? Then they'd create a bunch of below average children. The obvious solution is to slut-shame men as well.
n/a bishplss 2017-02-03
Ya know we've got like pills and stuff that stop babies from happening
n/a Akilroth234 2017-02-03
Yeah, but people have to take it voluntarily.
n/a ChaoticEvil 2017-02-03
True. I look like a stock photo of "average white guy". I'm also sexy af.
n/a Not_for_consumption 2017-02-03
Damn! I sub to /OkC and I missed this drama. What a disappointment!
n/a Fartkin 2017-02-03
Lmfao all of them are so fucking defensive. Is that sub just full of bitter women or something?
n/a tevidian 2017-02-03
Reminds me of /r/relationships.
n/a Neon_needles 2017-02-03
Yes.
n/a freet0 2017-02-03
Some bitter women, but I'd wager more men who think they've "cracked the code" of how to perfectly interact with women. Spoiler alert: they haven't.
n/a massenkompatibel 2017-02-03
That code? Opening the conversation with "I'll totally let you peg me, and you don't even have to confine yourself to a single partner with me - I'm slightly more progressive than your average man, you see". At least judging by that thread.
n/a BannedFromImzy 2017-02-03
You forgot : "I'll financially take care of your son".
n/a John_Ketch 2017-02-03
Na, it's more women then male
n/a BananaSmartPhone 2017-02-03
A lot of nu-male manginas
n/a JohnnyLargeCock 2017-02-03
Lol, that was a whole lot of bullshit talk to say that some people are hypocrites /u/maladjust
n/a BananaSmartPhone 2017-02-03
One of the saddest manginas. I remember when one user talking about being hesitant to date a single mom, and /u/Maladjust-- called him out saying he "wasn't mature enough"... lol
n/a Che_Gueporna 2017-02-03
mostly, yeah.
At least they're the ones who stick around. The bitter guys tend to disappear eventually and head off to redpill.
n/a Albino_Namekian 2017-02-03
Shame that's on old thread. I'm 30 and my fuck buddy is 20, I'd have loved to stir some shit up in there.
n/a eskachig 2017-02-03
Hahaha I just had a fling with an 18 year old at 34. Might have been more if she didn't have to go back to Aus. Scandalous!
Actually the looks I got from women my age were fucking lethal. That and dads with teenage daughters. Doesn't help that there's definitely some gray in my beard these days.
n/a Albino_Namekian 2017-02-03
Thats all it ever is. The outrage comes from the women, the guys aren't even mad about it, they just kiss the wrinkly asses of the women.
n/a eskachig 2017-02-03
Well, there was definitely a segment of dudes that are like "damn that girl looks kind of like my daughter and you look almost my age". I can't imagine that being exactly comfortable. Those are about the only people that made me feel a touch guilty. But otherwise mostly just a bit of smirky envy from the male set.
n/a MasterLawlzReborn 2017-02-03
Holy fuck, that post is a work of art. That dude just throughly broke down why the sub is full of hypocritical shitheads and half of them didn't even say why he was wrong, they just got super angry and insulted him
/u/BananaSmartPhone please join us in r/drama, that was a perfect 10/10.
n/a MakeAmericaSageAgain 2017-02-03
/u/scotch_please
Would you care to join the discussion? What about this post was so infuriating to you? When someone confronts you about being a hypocrite most people recognize their failings and try to improve themselves. Instead you react with anger, how come?
A penny for your thoughts!
n/a Sai22 2017-02-03
Let's also invite /u/DirkGrahamsStache and /u/RanTheRedCedar
n/a DirkGrahamsStache 2017-02-03
It was a case study in confirmation bias, as I expect this thread to be.
He wanted to find lots of the same people reacting differently. He found one, by his own admission, and then barreled ahead with the conclusion he wanted to find.
His "experiment" didn't show what he wanted it to show, nor does it show what you want it to show.
n/a Sai22 2017-02-03
Ok.
n/a MakeAmericaSageAgain 2017-02-03
Did you even read OP? He lists 8 users comments, his identical post was downvoted, all his comments were downvoted. He was insulted, his manhood was questioned. None of this happened to the female poster. His point wasn't to show the exact same posters flip-flopping. His point was to show how the whole sub reacted differently based on the gender. How it applied a double-standard.
Instead of seeing this as an eye opener most people in the comment section were disagreeing with him (including you) or making fun of him to take the focus off his point. Admitting you're wrong isn't nearly as bad as what you're doing right now.
Reading /u/scotch_please user history, she even says she prefers to date older men. Yet none of you can see the double-standard? I don't know how much rationalization that takes, but it doesn't sound healthy.
n/a DirkGrahamsStache 2017-02-03
I did read the OP. You did not understand my criticism.
His thread title and conclusion wasn't "this one user was hypocritical." Which is all he and you can actually support with evidence.
n/a MakeAmericaSageAgain 2017-02-03
He can support with evidence that the sub reacted differently to an identical post with only the genders switched. This is supported by looking at the downvotes.
Of course I don't mean 'every single user' when I say the "whole sub". You have to agree that the comments and number of upvotes is the only means available for a sub to collectively express itself on an issue. If they all point to one thing; 'men dating young bad, women dating young meh/good' it says that this is the general attitude on the sub.
Do you agree that the number of upvotes and the tone of comments on a post indicate what the sub thinks about the post? If not there is no point to continue.
Okay, so now we've got rationalization and projection. Any more defense mechanisms you want to bust out to protect your ego?
n/a BananaSmartPhone 2017-02-03
The sample size is large enough.
n/a DirkGrahamsStache 2017-02-03
Based on what? "Sample size" is one of those Internet wannabe terms that people throw around without meaning anything. Wanna show your stat work on how you determined that?
n/a BananaSmartPhone 2017-02-03
I asked Maladjust this in the thread back when it happened, but he never responded so I figured I'll ask you this here.
Are you insinuating that you honestly believe I just happened to "get unlucky" and post that thread (not the gotcha thread, the first one) when a negative group of users happened to online/browsing the sub, and the original woman was just lucky enough to post at the "right time" when encouraging users were online? Do you really believe this?
n/a BananaSmartPhone 2017-02-03
I'm glad you mentioned /u/rantheredcedar. I would have expected better behavior and handling from a mod.
n/a BananaSmartPhone 2017-02-03
I'm already here this is just a throwaway
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-02-03
n/a BananaSmartPhone 2017-02-03
Lol she's one of the most insecure losers on there, believe me, just look at her comment history.
n/a editseverywhere 2017-02-03
Women go downhill much faster than men, fact. Why the fuck would a 40 year old man go for a 40 year old woman when he can get a 30 year old with no issue? Sorry, as unfair as it is older women have significantly less value then older men do when dating.
n/a SpectroSpecter 2017-02-03
I have a feeling women would stay youthful longer if they didn't constantly manhandle their faces. One brush of the skin isn't going to do much, but a brush every day for 20+ years, your weekly cleansing scrub, get some loofa action in there. All that shit's going to cause some major erosion. Every time you run a rough surface across your skin you're damaging it, and it can't repair that damage if you're doing it literally nonstop.
n/a lifesbrink 2017-02-03
Hey, this is a repost!
n/a skymod1 2017-02-03
Yeah. I noticed after this was posted. The mods don't seem to care, though. Or they're just lazy? ¯\(ツ)/¯
n/a lifesbrink 2017-02-03
Well a reminder of drama past isn't too bad
n/a ICallWooWooOnU 2017-02-03
What OP doesn't realize is people feel bad for old, single women. They're just kind of...sad. An older man is cool, he's got options, so of course they're going to chimp out on him if he talks about getting some younger poon as his natural biological drives command him.
n/a eskachig 2017-02-03
Yeah, and there's a bit of self-interest in all of that too.
Older women: Shame him so more men my age want to hit it and there's less competition.
Younger men: Shame him because all the women my age are dating dudes his age, one less old dude means more for me.
Older men: Shame him so there's less competition for younger women, one less old dude means more for me.
n/a ICallWooWooOnU 2017-02-03
Yup, shame is a pretty useful tool to try to craft a society that benefits you. Its nice to realize so you can act shamelessly yourself (just don't get caught!)
n/a Chicup 2017-02-03
As a mid 40s guy who has had a few 20 somethings in the last couple of years I have an observation. Young women suck at blowjobs. That's a skill most don't master until mid 30s.