I thought he fucked over insurance companies, and people without coverage were able to get massive discounts such that the price hikes for them were a non-issue.
NOPE.
He kept saying that he'd give the drugs to uninsured people for free, but that hasn't actually happened, and people have contacted him about the matter hundreds of times and have been met with silence.
Shrek there spends a lot of time going 'look at the chart', I'm not doing what you say I'm doing, look at the chart for 30 seconds and you'll understand.
Then goes on to say the really expensive drugs don't cause riots, so obviously everyone who needs them is getting them and can afford them, but he never proves that the people who need those drugs are getting them, so the whole argument appears to be based on that assumption, which is false.
No. Shrek claims his prices are fine because no one riots over the 6mil/lifetime drug, therefore everyone can afford every drug on that list. Its the base assumption of that table of drug costs he flaunts for most of the video.
That people get it for free? The source material is right in the video. Don't believe the source material? It also confirms this right on the website. http://www.daraprimdirect.com/#support. Don't want to read because reasons? Call the number yourself 1-877-258-2033. Also the people who can afford can only do so because of insurance, I mean you think people are paying out of pocket for the current price? That's just stupid.
That claim is part of refuting the claim that people have died. He's saying that you can't find people who have not gotten the drug because of cost, which seems to be true given that nobody can produce these cases.
I guess I'm wondering if anyone can provide any sort of information as to whether or not people have died due to not being able to afford the drug because of the price hike.
I don't care who is claiming what. I'd just like to see some data.
The problem with Shkreli's reasoning is that the poorest, most illiterate and ignorant people are the ones who simply wouldn't know to ask his company to give it to them for free. So when he's saying that "everyone who is poor and asks for it gets it, therefore nobody suffers!" he's turning a blind eye to a whole subset of people who don't read newspapers, don't have internet access, use the Emergency Room as a General Practitioner, and have absolutely no idea how drug companies operate.
They're so off the grid that actually tracking the numbers would be impossible, short of asking social workers or parole officers.
I'm not sure where you're going here. You demand evidence from Shkreli. When I ask for any evidence from any source, you come back and say that it doesn't matter because it's impossible to get any meaningful numbers? Why did you even ask in the first place?
Since when is the onus on me? I didn't give the opinion. I don't have to support it. Numbnuts professor did, although he was as whiny and retarded as Shkreli when he gave it.
Not retarded enough to believe that the onus is on me to defend an opinion I don't hold and didn't state. Apparently that takes a special kind of retard.
Oh yes, poor people are well-known for being up-to-date with their medical knowledge and regularly filling all the appropriate prescriptions on-time under a specialist's supervision.
No, he said any drug.
For starters, I'd use the evidence that people in the Canadian border states often try to find ways to buy medicine in Canada, where it can be a fraction of the US cost since our government dictates the price they will accept, instead of greedy dicwaffles like Shrek there artificially setting whatever price they want.
"e" has both an enclosed space at the top representing a vagina and the curl at the bottom is a penis: it's a far more inclusive letter than "o", which ignores gender completely and enforces norms. Not that someone with your privilege would care.
What sort of cishet homophobic bullshit is this. Everyone knows that o represents the anus which can be enjoyed by everyone regardless of sex, gender, or kin status.
If Mayocide succeeds it will just have to be today, and maybe tomorrow. But only if we need to stop on the first day to take a nap because killing millions of cumskins takes a little effort
the dude is literally trying to teach people how this shit works so we can try and improve the system that is current ripping everyone off, and he gets yelled at because social media told people to yell at him.
It's a business, the company pays a lot of money to have a drug developed, the drug has to be sold at a price that will profit the company or else no more life saving drugs.
How is he not? He gives away his drug for free and sells quite a bit to a government program for a penny a pill. On top of that he also funds his R&D at a higher percentage (I believe it was 15%) than the industry standard (5-10%). In fact the whole thing people give him shit for was for raising the price on an outdated drug to raise money for R&D for it. The drug literally is poison and only kills the illness faster than the user.
Still can't figure out why anyone is giving this little Manley any attention. Ignore him and he will disappear into the ocean of the millions of other autistic trolls.
He's the poster boy for frustration with the terrible US healthcare system. Nothing he's doing is wrong, per se. He's just operating within a bullshit system and got a light shined on him.
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n/a bigtool123 2017-02-18
Martin's jimmies got rustled pretty hard here, seems like he was quite riled up and offended.
n/a ieatpussy69 2017-02-18
It sounded like he was gonna cry there for a sec
n/a YHofSuburbia 2017-02-18
Martin looks so cute when he's frustrated 😊
n/a ThatGaymer 2017-02-18
Tbf i would be too if ppl were constantly telling me I was killing people
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-02-18
"I don't know, I didn't hear the first part of the presentation. I was outside protesting."
n/a atakeonhooper 2017-02-18
oooooooooh boooooy
n/a Wraith_GraveSpell 2017-02-18
At that point you should have just lied
n/a atakeonhooper 2017-02-18
oh man I thought that prof was being a whiny bitch, but then M Shrek somehow came off as even more of a shit eating bitch
n/a jerry101246 2017-02-18
He probably gets frustrated at being called a murderer every day.
n/a glmox 2017-02-18
he shouldn't have raped and killed that girl in 1996 then
n/a Flipflopslipslop 2017-02-18
What
n/a grafton29 2017-02-18
To be fair he did fuck people over without any remorse. His edgy internet trolling wont change that.
n/a GravitasFreeZone 2017-02-18
I thought he fucked over insurance companies, and people without coverage were able to get massive discounts such that the price hikes for them were a non-issue.
n/a grafton29 2017-02-18
So he fucked up over people then. Thanks for agreeing with me.
n/a ComedicSans 2017-02-18
Poor people are the ones least likely to be aware of or have the nous to take advantage of discounts or rebates.
n/a glmox 2017-02-18
b-but muh free market :(
n/a DickingBimbos247 2017-02-18
the doctor tells them
n/a ComedicSans 2017-02-18
Oh yes, the magical doctor who does home-visits without charge to the exceptionally poor and sick. Kek.
n/a DickingBimbos247 2017-02-18
people who have AIDS and never visit a doctor who tells them how to get the meds they need, they die long before they could get toxoplasmosis.
n/a TruthPains 2017-02-18
Yer nan told me about her 5 buck suck discount m8
n/a buckleberry 2017-02-18
He's obviously a socialist
n/a Wraith_GraveSpell 2017-02-18
Well he did donate thousands to Bernie
n/a fadlpadl 2017-02-18
NOPE. He kept saying that he'd give the drugs to uninsured people for free, but that hasn't actually happened, and people have contacted him about the matter hundreds of times and have been met with silence.
n/a ghostchamber 2017-02-18
Care to elaborate? Which drugs, and do you have a source that indicates that people have reached out to him for them and he hasn't responded?
n/a DickingBimbos247 2017-02-18
happened 2000 times so far
n/a iforgotagain42 2017-02-18
Shrek there spends a lot of time going 'look at the chart', I'm not doing what you say I'm doing, look at the chart for 30 seconds and you'll understand.
Then goes on to say the really expensive drugs don't cause riots, so obviously everyone who needs them is getting them and can afford them, but he never proves that the people who need those drugs are getting them, so the whole argument appears to be based on that assumption, which is false.
n/a Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-02-18
So you can show that people don't get the drug because of costs?
n/a ComedicSans 2017-02-18
Shkreli's the one making the claim without any evidence.
n/a Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-02-18
No, the professor in the video made a claim, and u/iforgotagain42 repeated it. Their claim is that people died. I want to see a cite.
n/a ComedicSans 2017-02-18
Shkreli categorically said that nobody had died. Watch it again.
n/a Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-02-18
OK? So disprove it then. Either way, Shkreli has a fucking spreadsheet, what do you have?
n/a ComedicSans 2017-02-18
What the fuck are you talking about? I didn't state an opinion, I just noted what Shkreli said. Suck my dick.
n/a iforgotagain42 2017-02-18
No. Shrek claims his prices are fine because no one riots over the 6mil/lifetime drug, therefore everyone can afford every drug on that list. Its the base assumption of that table of drug costs he flaunts for most of the video.
n/a SovietWarfare 2017-02-18
You're right, anyone who has trouble affording the drug gets it for free, the ones who can are using insurance.
n/a iforgotagain42 2017-02-18
Lol if that were true people wouldn't need insurance, since insurance rarely covers the full cost of expensive drugs, particularly in the US.
Cite sources for that claim please.
n/a SovietWarfare 2017-02-18
That people get it for free? The source material is right in the video. Don't believe the source material? It also confirms this right on the website. http://www.daraprimdirect.com/#support. Don't want to read because reasons? Call the number yourself 1-877-258-2033. Also the people who can afford can only do so because of insurance, I mean you think people are paying out of pocket for the current price? That's just stupid.
n/a iforgotagain42 2017-02-18
Not acceptable source. Scientific study or GTFO.
Anyone can say anything on their own website.
n/a SovietWarfare 2017-02-18
The source material is not acceptable source? You want a study on how they get the drug for free?
n/a Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-02-18
That claim is part of refuting the claim that people have died. He's saying that you can't find people who have not gotten the drug because of cost, which seems to be true given that nobody can produce these cases.
n/a ghostchamber 2017-02-18
I guess I'm wondering if anyone can provide any sort of information as to whether or not people have died due to not being able to afford the drug because of the price hike.
I don't care who is claiming what. I'd just like to see some data.
n/a ComedicSans 2017-02-18
The problem with Shkreli's reasoning is that the poorest, most illiterate and ignorant people are the ones who simply wouldn't know to ask his company to give it to them for free. So when he's saying that "everyone who is poor and asks for it gets it, therefore nobody suffers!" he's turning a blind eye to a whole subset of people who don't read newspapers, don't have internet access, use the Emergency Room as a General Practitioner, and have absolutely no idea how drug companies operate.
They're so off the grid that actually tracking the numbers would be impossible, short of asking social workers or parole officers.
n/a ghostchamber 2017-02-18
I'm not sure where you're going here. You demand evidence from Shkreli. When I ask for any evidence from any source, you come back and say that it doesn't matter because it's impossible to get any meaningful numbers? Why did you even ask in the first place?
n/a ComedicSans 2017-02-18
Since when is the onus on me? I didn't give the opinion. I don't have to support it. Numbnuts professor did, although he was as whiny and retarded as Shkreli when he gave it.
n/a ghostchamber 2017-02-18
The anus is indeed on you.
n/a SovietWarfare 2017-02-18
How can you be this retarded?
n/a ComedicSans 2017-02-18
Not retarded enough to believe that the onus is on me to defend an opinion I don't hold and didn't state. Apparently that takes a special kind of retard.
n/a DickingBimbos247 2017-02-18
the only people who need that drug are late stage AIDS patients,
if they're that illiterate or ignorant about how to get AIDS medication, they will be dead long before they need his drug
n/a ComedicSans 2017-02-18
Oh yes, poor people are well-known for being up-to-date with their medical knowledge and regularly filling all the appropriate prescriptions on-time under a specialist's supervision.
n/a DickingBimbos247 2017-02-18
those people die of AIDS long before they ever get to the toxoplasmosis stage.
n/a ComedicSans 2017-02-18
I guess that's all right, then :^)
n/a DickingBimbos247 2017-02-18
regardless how awful it is that people die from lack of medicine.
you can't blame the price of toxoplasmosis medicine, if they never live long enough to get AIDS-related super-toxoplasmosis.
n/a iforgotagain42 2017-02-18
No, he said any drug.
For starters, I'd use the evidence that people in the Canadian border states often try to find ways to buy medicine in Canada, where it can be a fraction of the US cost since our government dictates the price they will accept, instead of greedy dicwaffles like Shrek there artificially setting whatever price they want.
n/a HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-02-18
Jfc
n/a LemonScore 2017-02-18
"e" has both an enclosed space at the top representing a vagina and the curl at the bottom is a penis: it's a far more inclusive letter than "o", which ignores gender completely and enforces norms. Not that someone with your privilege would care.
n/a ieatpussy69 2017-02-18
Trying too hard man
n/a damn_it_so_much 2017-02-18
You aren't trying hard enough, why are you on reddit instead of eating dat pussy?
n/a ieatpussy69 2017-02-18
Trying to lose weight
n/a damn_it_so_much 2017-02-18
Huh, cock must be even note fattening given the rate we work out.
n/a ieatpussy69 2017-02-18
Yea I put it on from eating a lot of e's, which have both penises and vaginas so double the calories
n/a nanonan 2017-02-18
What sort of cishet homophobic bullshit is this. Everyone knows that o represents the anus which can be enjoyed by everyone regardless of sex, gender, or kin status.
n/a WyrmSaint 2017-02-18
But the "o" is just a vagina and therefore more inclusive.
Like how all a 100% black group is more diverse than a group with an even number of black and white people.
n/a Maga_Brahmin 2017-02-18
Hey, u/martinshkreli, have you ever relied on a pharmaceutical drug to live?
n/a Rezingreenbowl 2017-02-18
What does that have to do with anything? Nobody died because of what he did.
n/a BlackPeopleEmoji 2017-02-18
I died because of what he did.
n/a Rezingreenbowl 2017-02-18
Who's gonna take your couch? Cuz if no one else has dibs on it...
n/a BlackPeopleEmoji 2017-02-18
If you want my AIDS couch, have at it.
n/a HueGenics 2017-02-18
Does mayonnaise count as a drug?
n/a BlackPeopleEmoji 2017-02-18
No hue, mayonnaise is not a drug. Kill yourself.
n/a ChipChippersonAMA 2017-02-18
/u/martinshkreli don't worry we love and welcome you here. What's your opinion on BAC btw
n/a Flipflopslipslop 2017-02-18
He does
n/a OnSnowWhiteWings 2017-02-18
Professor:
Mayocide now. Mayocide tomorrow. Mayocide forever.
n/a Assy-McGee 2017-02-18
If Mayocide succeeds it will just have to be today, and maybe tomorrow. But only if we need to stop on the first day to take a nap because killing millions of cumskins takes a little effort
n/a Thhueros 2017-02-18
What if there is a new Yakub?
n/a thirdegree 2017-02-18
You know, initially I had a bit of trouble getting onboard with mayocide. I thought, "There has to be at least one redeemable one!"
Nope. Not even me.
n/a neutralvoter 2017-02-18
the dude is literally trying to teach people how this shit works so we can try and improve the system that is current ripping everyone off, and he gets yelled at because social media told people to yell at him.
n/a throwcripes 2017-02-18
I don't think the talk should have been interrupted but you must realise one of these is not like the other.
n/a DickingBimbos247 2017-02-18
(it didn't)
n/a MargotRobbieRotten 2017-02-18
Whoosh
n/a grafton29 2017-02-18
If you think this guy is a kind hearted Robin Hood you are kidding yourself.
n/a neutralvoter 2017-02-18
didn't say that.
However, I will say he's a hell of a lot kinder than the people who price the drugs that actually impact a lot of people and who nobody is attacking.
n/a grafton29 2017-02-18
High standards there fam.
n/a MargotRobbieRotten 2017-02-18
It's a business, the company pays a lot of money to have a drug developed, the drug has to be sold at a price that will profit the company or else no more life saving drugs.
n/a nanonan 2017-02-18
No, he's a ruthless capitalist. He's not stealing from anybody, he's benifiting the planet at a reasonable market sustainable charge.
n/a SovietWarfare 2017-02-18
How is he not? He gives away his drug for free and sells quite a bit to a government program for a penny a pill. On top of that he also funds his R&D at a higher percentage (I believe it was 15%) than the industry standard (5-10%). In fact the whole thing people give him shit for was for raising the price on an outdated drug to raise money for R&D for it. The drug literally is poison and only kills the illness faster than the user.
n/a headasplodes 2017-02-18
Man he Fucking annihilated them
n/a TheJaguar77 2017-02-18
Still can't figure out why anyone is giving this little Manley any attention. Ignore him and he will disappear into the ocean of the millions of other autistic trolls.
n/a bigtool123 2017-02-18
Because he has more $ to his name than all of this sub combined
n/a TheJaguar77 2017-02-18
I think mod xnotch would disagree w u.
n/a ComedicSans 2017-02-18
/u/notchx could buy and sell Shkreli a dozen times over and still have money enough to plough your mother after buying her dinner.
n/a CirqueDuFuder 2017-02-18
I have enough change in my sofa to plough his mother though.
n/a bigtool123 2017-02-18
Nah maybe like 3-5 times
n/a ComedicSans 2017-02-18
I think you're dramatically overestimating how much your mother charges.
n/a bigtool123 2017-02-18
My mom would probably charge nothing because she never gets laid
n/a ghostchamber 2017-02-18
Well, this is the Drama subreddit. He tends to be a source of it.
Did you accidentally come here instead of SRD?
n/a hilariousclintious 2017-02-18
People on university campuses think agreeing with other people on a university campus is the same thing as having actual knowledge or intelligence.
n/a dj_ilo 2017-02-18
almost like Reddit then
n/a MargotRobbieRotten 2017-02-18
Spoon feeding to your asshole sounds bad for your health
n/a The_Dark_Deity 2017-02-18
I think what really stings leftists is facing the reality that Martin will be far more successful then they and their children will ever be.
n/a icepickjones 2017-02-18
He's the poster boy for frustration with the terrible US healthcare system. Nothing he's doing is wrong, per se. He's just operating within a bullshit system and got a light shined on him.