Omg, you have to like, keep up exercise and good eating habits even after you've lost the weight!?!?
Must be genetics.
That said, peeps on reddit can be downright meanspirited about the whole issue. If people acknowledge that they're unhealthy and don't go around abdicating responsibility than whatever. It's none of my business.
or less caffine. sometimes its the small things that can really have an impact on your physical health and its understandable that big triggers like a reddit comment could set that off
To put it simply, when a fat person loses weight the body thinks it's starving and tries to maintain the obese state. It's a constant struggle that can be seen as an addiction, except it's like telling an an alcoholic that he needs exactly 1 pint of beer a day to survive.
No leptin inhibits hunger. I briefly glanced through your article, and it does comfirm that leptin level fell after weight loss. I do recall a study that said supplementing leptin caused weight loss, but it was only temporary.
I responded to you somewhere else, but let's keep the convo below the link. Not clear on what you mean by leptin is not related to "starvation mode," not to mention that the term seems to be controversial. Can you clarify on that?
Maybe it was a poor choice of words on your part to bring up starvation, but the myth of "starvation mode" is that there is a point at which your body will think it's starving and somehow magically increase the caloric intake of what you're eating so that you gain weight, even if still eating at a deficit.
Leptin proteins are interesting, but we are still a long, long ways off from determining whether or not they are the culprit behind failure at maintenance. It's looking like they may be a factor, but still probably not as much of a factor as psychological and social attitudes toward eating. There is some limited studies that suggest that leptin therapy can help people with a maintenance weight. At worst, leptin makes food cravings slightly worse, but would not be a similar response to starvation.
I wasn't too familiar with the term "starvation mode" so I wasn't aware of negative connotations associated with the word "starving." Now I have to wonder if the conversation would have been more productive had I used a different word.
In any case, endocrinology is a fascinating subject that I don't hope to encounter again. We shouldn't forget though that leptin isn't the only factor contributing to this. As I mentioned there are other numerous factors such as ghrelin, GRP and things I definitely better understood as an undergraduate. To put into perspective, nicotine addiction is also associated with a minimal change in our brain, but nicotine "craving" is well known to most of us. I would argue the same for food for obese individuals, but I am in no way specialized enough to offer my opinion.
My original intent was to offer some understanding and scientific insight and understanding, (I was in no way condoning poor lifestyle choices) but it seems like I was distracted by less than tasteful comments.
That being said, I'm happy that I got to exchange studies with one person at least.
Yeah, that's what I meant by leading with your jaw! Those magic words will summon a reddit shitstorm. And, yes, things can go off of the rails pretty quickly.
I think there is evidence that leptin is related to cravings. So while leptin replacement therapy helps reduce cravings, it is still a psychological/social condition in how an individual responds to cravings. For example, I do a cut every spring and I can absolutely feel the lower leptin levels by craving the worst possible foods. Usually meatball calzones. So it's certainly a factor.
I do recall, long term leptin therapy was not very successful as the body responds to extra leptin by building up resistance in similar way type 2 diabetics do with insulin. Can't argue with the psycho/social conditioning though!
The best way to make fat people lose weight is to just wait for a while, eventually they will drown after they slip in the shower and decompose and then they will weigh very little!
I was wondering why the Dutch are just tall and not fat. I thought all the water would make them tall AND fat, but it turns out that the fat ones just choke on their own fat and die.
Discovering the method by which something happens doesn't somehow mean that thing always happens or is definitely going to happen. Fat people searching out "studies" to justify their behavior is just like the tobacco industry funding studies to find tobacco isn't harmful. We aren't surprised the studies exist, we can see the fat people all around us, it isn't going to stop us from not being fat asses.
Oh that one started off as a sincere input, then people started upvoting the other guy who was obviously wrong. So I flipped and nuked everything. I regret nothing.
Obesity is a genetically inherited disease and it doesn't really have any relationship to actual weight. Many obese people develop eating disorders (to the point of death), and while they may appear to be stick thin, that doesn't mean they don't have obesity.
Hahaha are you fucking retarded? u/darknessvisible
/u/darknessvisible can you please explain or provide visual proof for how you can both be an obese land whale while at the same time being a skinny spooky skeletal?
Not too long ago I had to switch to a keto diet, my doc recommended it for a few things. The first thing I thought of was these kinds of arguments, and I wanted to fucking die.
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n/a Malevolent_USB_Drive 2017-02-22
Omg, you have to like, keep up exercise and good eating habits even after you've lost the weight!?!?
Must be genetics.
That said, peeps on reddit can be downright meanspirited about the whole issue. If people acknowledge that they're unhealthy and don't go around abdicating responsibility than whatever. It's none of my business.
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-02-22
Please. There was SRD drama like last week where people were literally shaking about having to take responsibility.
n/a Malevolent_USB_Drive 2017-02-22
Sounds like they need to get help then.
n/a Strephyl 2017-02-22
or less caffine. sometimes its the small things that can really have an impact on your physical health and its understandable that big triggers like a reddit comment could set that off
n/a shitlordcaligula 2017-02-22
/u/shith_lard. In retrospect, what did you expect was going to happen when you led with your jaw?
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
I expected people to read the study I linked and have a rational argument based on it?
n/a shitlordcaligula 2017-02-22
that study has nothing to do with starvation mode. it is a measure of leptin after weight loss.
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
yes and what do leptin and ghrelin do?
n/a shitlordcaligula 2017-02-22
Leptin does not tell the body it's starving.
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
No leptin inhibits hunger. I briefly glanced through your article, and it does comfirm that leptin level fell after weight loss. I do recall a study that said supplementing leptin caused weight loss, but it was only temporary.
n/a shitlordcaligula 2017-02-22
here's a follow-up study that discusses leptin. it is by no means related to "starvation mode".
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430504/
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
I responded to you somewhere else, but let's keep the convo below the link. Not clear on what you mean by leptin is not related to "starvation mode," not to mention that the term seems to be controversial. Can you clarify on that?
n/a shitlordcaligula 2017-02-22
Maybe it was a poor choice of words on your part to bring up starvation, but the myth of "starvation mode" is that there is a point at which your body will think it's starving and somehow magically increase the caloric intake of what you're eating so that you gain weight, even if still eating at a deficit.
Leptin proteins are interesting, but we are still a long, long ways off from determining whether or not they are the culprit behind failure at maintenance. It's looking like they may be a factor, but still probably not as much of a factor as psychological and social attitudes toward eating. There is some limited studies that suggest that leptin therapy can help people with a maintenance weight. At worst, leptin makes food cravings slightly worse, but would not be a similar response to starvation.
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-02-22
Geek
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
I wasn't too familiar with the term "starvation mode" so I wasn't aware of negative connotations associated with the word "starving." Now I have to wonder if the conversation would have been more productive had I used a different word.
In any case, endocrinology is a fascinating subject that I don't hope to encounter again. We shouldn't forget though that leptin isn't the only factor contributing to this. As I mentioned there are other numerous factors such as ghrelin, GRP and things I definitely better understood as an undergraduate. To put into perspective, nicotine addiction is also associated with a minimal change in our brain, but nicotine "craving" is well known to most of us. I would argue the same for food for obese individuals, but I am in no way specialized enough to offer my opinion.
My original intent was to offer some understanding and scientific insight and understanding, (I was in no way condoning poor lifestyle choices) but it seems like I was distracted by less than tasteful comments.
That being said, I'm happy that I got to exchange studies with one person at least.
n/a shitlordcaligula 2017-02-22
Yeah, that's what I meant by leading with your jaw! Those magic words will summon a reddit shitstorm. And, yes, things can go off of the rails pretty quickly.
I think there is evidence that leptin is related to cravings. So while leptin replacement therapy helps reduce cravings, it is still a psychological/social condition in how an individual responds to cravings. For example, I do a cut every spring and I can absolutely feel the lower leptin levels by craving the worst possible foods. Usually meatball calzones. So it's certainly a factor.
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
I do recall, long term leptin therapy was not very successful as the body responds to extra leptin by building up resistance in similar way type 2 diabetics do with insulin. Can't argue with the psycho/social conditioning though!
n/a Kuonji 2017-02-22
Ugh you guys...what subreddit am I in
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
OH IM SORRY FAT FUCK DIPSHIT JEWTARD WIGGERWITZ
n/a Kuonji 2017-02-22
Ahhh....There we go :)
n/a Nomadlads 2017-02-22
A meatball calzone sounds delicious.
n/a BasicallyADoctor 2017-02-22
The best way to make fat people lose weight is to just wait for a while, eventually they will drown after they slip in the shower and decompose and then they will weigh very little!
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
fat floats though.
n/a BasicallyADoctor 2017-02-22
It's hard to float when it's impossible to fully fill your lungs because a small animal worth of flesh sits atop them constantly
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
I was wondering why the Dutch are just tall and not fat. I thought all the water would make them tall AND fat, but it turns out that the fat ones just choke on their own fat and die.
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
Ok which one of you illiterate fucks actually read the study I linked?
n/a aonome 2017-02-22
We know why your name has "lard" in it now.
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
oh wow got me.
n/a itsaboyffxiv 2017-02-22
I like you. Stick around, biggie.
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
Oh I used to play ffxiv. I think I quit right before Alexander, And those extreme primals were WAY too much for me.
n/a strathmeyer 2017-02-22
Discovering the method by which something happens doesn't somehow mean that thing always happens or is definitely going to happen. Fat people searching out "studies" to justify their behavior is just like the tobacco industry funding studies to find tobacco isn't harmful. We aren't surprised the studies exist, we can see the fat people all around us, it isn't going to stop us from not being fat asses.
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
absence of proof is not a proof of absence /bong rip
n/a strathmeyer 2017-02-22
Aren't the not fat people proof enough?
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
oh god your flag...
n/a theboozehelps 2017-02-22
Stick around, man,
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
I genuinely have nothing else to do today.
n/a Stormsource 2017-02-22
We all can tell.
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
I got an idea, how about I eat an entire chocolate cake and NOT go for a jog?
n/a Stormsource 2017-02-22
Then you gain weight
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
I thought everyone else had anti-fat genes.
n/a Stormsource 2017-02-22
Crazy how the world works, right
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
more like how I don't WORK, amirite. guise?
n/a Stormsource 2017-02-22
Are you baiting for neg karma or
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
You mean my flaming thread that's on its way to Valhalla?
n/a Stormsource 2017-02-22
Both this and that thread
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
Oh that one started off as a sincere input, then people started upvoting the other guy who was obviously wrong. So I flipped and nuked everything. I regret nothing.
n/a Stormsource 2017-02-22
Just...let it burn I guess
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
can't think of a better way to spend tonight.
n/a Stormsource 2017-02-22
You have the vast Internet at your fingertips, you don't need to be self destructive
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
yeah I'm also looking at cat pictures.
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
Wait, you edited your first comment to me. You didn't edit grammar. Son, I'm disappoint.
n/a Stormsource 2017-02-22
Came off as too harsh and it distracted from my main point
I can change it back if you want
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
naw mang it's cool.
n/a theboozehelps 2017-02-22
Is an entire cake your normal pre-workout?
n/a shith_lard 2017-02-22
I chase after the stripper that pops out as a workout. then I eat the stripper.
n/a xjapxn 2017-02-22
yo
n/a JohnnyLargeCock 2017-02-22
I just posted your drama:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/5vl1vk/fat_people_argue_that_if_they_diet_they_go_into/
And it looks like it's already been posted in this thread, which really screwed over my post. I blame you for that.
So tell me, after all that, why the hell would I actually read whatever crap you linked?
You've already done enough.
Apologize to me and I'll read it.
n/a ChaoticEvil 2017-02-22
I'll have you know bringing up my illiteracy is in very poor taste.
n/a cptAustria 2017-02-22
Hahaha are you fucking retarded? u/darknessvisible
n/a skivian 2017-02-22
Fat, the invisible killer.
n/a JumbledFun 2017-02-22
/u/darknessvisible can you please explain or provide visual proof for how you can both be an obese land whale while at the same time being a skinny spooky skeletal?
n/a ftylerr 2017-02-22
Not too long ago I had to switch to a keto diet, my doc recommended it for a few things. The first thing I thought of was these kinds of arguments, and I wanted to fucking die.
n/a MG87 2017-02-22
wut?
n/a aonome 2017-02-22
He's very spooky