leftypol laughs at r/socialism's hilarious new mod team

77  2017-02-28 by Insulasol2

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Promoting anarchofascism for 5 years and counting.

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Since when was P_K 4chan-famous?

8chan actually

brb killing myself

ay delete this post, nephew

I'm gonna start selling T-shirts at this rate.

For real tho the AO crew are gonna start making podcasts, and not "we rant chaotically over each other for 3.5 hours like idiots" podcasts but "music, jokes, memes, and a couple separate discussions, wrapped up in half an hour" podcast. So maybe we'll end up as part of that broader Internet ecosystem before long like the other well known podcasters.

the AO crew

Never figured you for a fan of K-Pop.

That's some real PK-Pop.

Why are you so famous anyway. I thought that everyone just hated you.

I think that's why I'm "famous" (lets use that uh... very loosely). I get threatened by huge numbers of people, publicly mock them and turn the drama against them for fun, then stick around until the next bunch threaten to kill me. Every time more people become aware of the whole drama circus that follows me around wherever I go.

Truth be told, I'm at the point where I can see the possibility of using my profile to meaningfully attack the tankies who camp all the big leftist subs, or help grow my own subs to be viable competitors, and in doing so make Internet socialism just a little more tolerable and non-LARPy.

You do serve, at least, as proof that there is more to leftist politics on the internet than LARPers, Juche bully-worshippers, and "me hit u with stick" Anarchists.

Well, yeah. And I can turn the tide of circlejerks sometimes because of that, which is nice. I just hope some of my subs take off.

LeftWithoutEdge is really nice. Could use more people though. Other than that, the only other good commie sub is /r/ULTRALEFT

Well, we're working on it. These drama sprees are good for us.

You are fun to clown on because you rep the terrible-ideology-of-the-moment but seem to be sane enough to engage.

someone tell me what /leftypol/ is like

im too intilegent to browse it

It's like if you took a bunch of old obese unemployed SA goons but they actully sometimes could put out a funny post or two.

SA goons are responsible for a staggering amount of internet retardation. Just absurd with how far reaching they are.

Goons also like to claim responsibility for stuff they had no real part in. Thankfully, it's usually really embarrassing stuff that only idiots would be proud to be associated with.

SomethingAwful had something interesting about it... 15+ years ago. It quickly became ground zero for severe autism. It may be the only place on the internet that isn't filled with normies, but still manages to be that retarded. They're the butt of every joke, especially their own.

aren't most SRS mods former goons or am I misremembering

As someone who posted on SA from like 2003-2008 the fate of that place is so fucking weird. I'd love to see a full writeup of it. It started in a subforum of DnD didnt it?

Correct. SRS was started by a bunch of gay Marxists, mentally ill trannies and psychotic perverts from the Something Awful forum "Laissez's Faire", which, ironically enough, started as a Ron Paul hype forum.

They were very, very serious about combatting 'bigotry' on the internet and their first target was /r/creepshots.

Their first target was /r/jailbait then /r/creepshots

Right. It was definitely still a libertarian circlejerk forum when I left.

Creepshots came much later in the day, SRS had been around for ages by then.

That may be true. I wasn't on reddit then.

They have some funny memes and board culture, you can actually have very interesting discussions with knowledgeable people if you're lucky and see interesting news, but there is also a lot of LARPing and raiding by /pol/acks going on, as well as leftists who have never read theory and mistake memes for reality.

They hate liberals with a passion, /r/socialism too and regularly complain about identity politics (privilege stacking, radical feminism, that sort of thing), with some people going overboard and rejecting any form of identity-based analysis (such as Marxist feminism), because as I said, they don't read theory.

TL;DR - It's retarded lefties, but that's redundant.

what's your problem with girl dicks, are you gay or something

What is with the overlap in furries and political radicals?

Mental illness?

at least they reject identity politics. That shit is gay.

with some people going overboard and rejecting any form of identity-based analysis (such as Marxist feminism)

Can you explain what that is because it sure sounds retarded

You only think that because you don't read. Go read until you agree with him.

Generally /leftypol/ rejects identity politics, which is social critique that moved away from Marxist analysis, that is it looked at societies' problems and came to the conclusion that everyone in it can be categorized by certain identities they identify with (such as male, female, trans, genderfluid, black, white, old, young, gay, hetero, bi...) and attempted to organize through this and fight against oppression.

Marxists and /leftypol/ reject this approach, because not only does it ignore the class struggle (which affects the biggest amount of people and is at the base of society) and the material reality through which oppression manifests (a gay person that gets kicked out from home because they are gay has being homeless as their most pressing concern), it also actually helps to legitimate the capitalist organization of society by reinforcing all sorts of toxic beliefs (mister Bernie "white people don't know what it's like to be poor" Sanders). This is the reason they loathed HRC and her campaign with a passion, because she ran on a platform of endorsing capitalism, big banks and such, while simultaneously ignoring the struggle of working Americans and is also why few were particularly surprised at Trump having won.

Now where people go overboard is when they go from "reducing people to their identity and ignoring the class struggle is wrong" to "any sort of social critique that considers people's identity is identity politics": It is still valuable to look at and consider how oppression manifests for the different groups of people that capitalist superstructure created, for example women. Women have a different lived experience in capitalist society and looking at it and comparing it to the experience men have helps us further our understanding of the sorts of mechanism on which society operates, which would be Marxist feminism. As long as the critique goes out from the base (material oppression) and views the identity as the valve through which oppression manifests in capitalism, this sort of analysis is completely fine.

What is LARPing as it relates to socialism?

LARPing is not a socialist term, it stands for "live action role-playing" and here basically means that we are dealing with people pretending to be leftists while they are actually liberals or fascists IRL

That's not what LARPing usually means in this context.

It's more an accusation that someone is acting out a childish caricature, like they're some grand romantic hero, while they're actually just being cringey and counterproductive to the movement. Style over substance.

someone tell me what /leftypol/ is like

http://i.imgur.com/homq1pD.jpg

They supported the person who drew Fascist Cat Girl Political Ideology wearing traditional clothing instead of the other /r/socialism who think Cat Girls are misogyny.

That comic got its start on leftypol, btw

Anime communists, pretty much what I expected.

Wait, is it that Laurelai? Where's she a mod and how do they know?

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Wait wait wait, I know I'm yet to be probably bogpilled, but for me from "Laurelai would be an ideal fit into the /r/socialism modteam" doesn't follow "Laurelai is on the /r/socialism modteam".

They said she mods /r/anarchism, not /r/socialism

a funny and interesting group of "leftists" that aren't mind numbingly retarded like their reddit counterparts. they haven't actually read theory, but who the fuck HAS? you might even have a good discussion before it gets derailed by "nihilists".

a funny and interesting group of "leftists" that aren't mind numbingly retarded like their reddit counterparts.

Well let's check right now and see what they are posting

My dad is a chiropractor in Beverly Hills and my mom is a dentist. We're pretty wealthy I would say, yet that never stopped me from pursuing the path of Marx.

Will I ever be able to overcome classcuckery of am I forever doomed to LARPery? How do you guys deal with bourgeoise parents?

HAHAHAHA

Uh, doctors actually did do fine under the various stalinist dictatorships. Theres always need for a doctor.

communism

We all know stalinist dictaorships aren't "real communism"

The Doctor's Plot never existed also in your mind?

Stalin only hated Jews more then Doctors. Just so happened he could get a 2 for 1.

We all know stalinist dictaorships aren't "real communism"

This but unironically

Also, what does the Doctors plot have to do with anything? Did Stalin hate the Red Army as well because he purged the generals?

Uh, doctors actually did do fine under the various stalinist dictatorships.

What does a Stalinist Dictatorship inventing a conspiracy to execute doctors have to do with anything

Doctor's plot != doctor genocide

No one is being killed for the crime of being a doctor.

Your argument is so stupid it is forcing me to defend Stalin, stop it.

No one is being killed for the crime of being a doctor.

Classic Commie inventing arguments the other person didn't say.

Maybe figure out literally Doctor Genocide isn't the same as saying Historically Doctors haven't done too well under Communism.

Of Course Mao isn't a Commie either I'm sure.

It should be noted that I've upvoted every single person who's disagreed with me here, as far as I know.

That said.

In 7th grade, I took an SAT test without preparing for it at all, it was spur-of-the-moment, I knew about it about an hour ahead of time and didn't do any research or anything. I scored higher on it than the average person using it to apply for college in my area.

An IQ test has shown me to be in the 99.9th percentile for IQ. This is the highest result the test I was given reaches; anything further and they'd consider it to be within the margin of error for that test.

My mother's boyfriend of 8 years is an aerospace engineer who graduated Virginia Tech. At the age of 15, I understand physics better than him, and I owe very little of it to him, as he would rarely give me a decent explanation of anything, just tell me that my ideas were wrong and become aggravated with me for not quite understanding thermodynamics. He's not particularly successful as an engineer, but I've met lots of other engineers who aren't as good as me at physics, so I'm guessing that's not just a result of him being bad at it.

I'm also pretty good at engineering. I don't have a degree, and other than physics I don't have a better understanding of any aspect of engineering than any actual engineer, but I have lots of ingenuity for inventing new things. For example, I independently invented regenerative brakes before finding out what they were, and I was only seven or eight years old when I started inventing wireless electricity solutions (my first idea being to use a powerful infrared laser to transmit energy; admittedly not the best plan).

I have independently thought of basically every branch of philosophy I've come across. Every question of existentialism which I've seen discussed in SMBC or xkcd or Reddit or anywhere else, the thoughts haven't been new to me. Philosophy has pretty much gotten trivial for me; I've considered taking a philosophy course just to see how easy it is.

Psychology, I actually understand better than people with degrees. Unlike engineering, there's no aspect of psychology which I don't have a very good understanding of. I can debunk many of even Sigmund Freud's theories.

I'm a good enough writer that I'm writing a book and so far everybody who's read any of it has said it was really good and plausible to expect to have published. And that's not just, like, me and family members, that counts strangers on the Internet. I've heard zero negative appraisal of it so far; people have critiqued it, but not insulted it.

I don't know if that will suffice as evidence that I'm intelligent. I'm done with it, though, because I'd rather defend my maturity, since it's what you've spent the most time attacking. The following are some examples of my morals and ethical code.

I believe firmly that everybody deserves a future. If we were to capture Hitler at the end of WWII, I would be against executing him. In fact, if we had any way of rehabilitating him and knowing that he wasn't just faking it, I'd even support the concept of letting him go free. This is essentially because I think that whoever you are in the present is a separate entity from who you were in the past and who you are in the future, and while your present self should take responsibility for your past self's actions, it shouldn't be punished for them simply for the sake of punishment, especially if the present self regrets the actions of the past self and feels genuine guilt about them.

I don't believe in judgement of people based on their personal choices as long as those personal choices aren't harming others. I don't have any issue with any type of sexuality whatsoever (short of physically acting out necrophilia, pedophilia, or other acts which have a harmful affect on others - but I don't care what a person's fantasies consist of, as long as they recognize the difference between reality and fiction and can separate them). I don't have any issue with anybody over what type of music they listen to, or clothes they wear, etc. I know that's not really an impressive moral, but it's unfortunately rare; a great many people, especially those my age, are judgmental about these things.

I love everyone, even people I hate. I wish my worst enemies good fortune and happiness. Rick Perry is a vile, piece of shit human being, deserving of zero respect, but I wish for him to change for the better and live the best life possible. I wish this for everyone.

I'm pretty much a pacifist. I've taken a broken nose without fighting back or seeking retribution, because the guy stopped punching after that. The only time I'll fight back is if 1) the person attacking me shows no signs of stopping and 2) if I don't attack, I'll come out worse than the other person will if I do. In other words, if fighting someone is going to end up being more harmful to them than just letting them go will be to me, I don't fight back. I've therefore never had a reason to fight back against anyone in anything serious, because my ability to take pain has so far made it so that I'm never in a situation where I'll be worse off after a fight. If I'm not going to get any hospitalizing injuries, I really don't care.

The only exception is if someone is going after my life. Even then, I'll do the minimum amount of harm to them that I possibly can in protecting myself. If someone points a gun at me and I can get out of it without harming them, I'd prefer to do that over killing them.

I consider myself a feminist. I don't believe in enforced or uniform gender roles; they may happen naturally, but they should never be coerced into happening unnaturally. As in, the societal pressure for gender roles should really go, even if it'll turn out that the majority of relationships continue operating the same way of their own accord. I treat women with the same outlook I treat men, and never participate in the old Reddit "women are crazy" circlejerk, because there are multiple women out there and each have different personalities just like there are multiple men out there and each with different personalities. I don't think you do much of anything except scare off the awesome women out there by going on and on about the ones who aren't awesome.

That doesn't mean I look for places to victimize women, I just don't believe it's fair to make generalizations such as the one about women acting like everything's OK when it's really not (and that's a particularly harsh example, because all humans do that).

I'm kind of tired of citing these examples and I'm guessing you're getting tired of reading them, if you've even made it this far. In closing, the people who know me in real life all respect me, as do a great many people in the Reddit brony community, where I spend most of my time and where I'm pretty known for being helpful around the community. A lot of people in my segment of the community are depressed or going through hard times, and I spend a lot of time giving advice and support to people there. Yesterday someone quoted a case of me doing this in a post asking everyone what their favorite motivational/inspirational quote was, and that comment was second to the top, so I guess other people agreed (though, granted, it was a pretty low-traffic post, only about a dozen competing comments).

And, uh, I'm a pretty good moderator.

All that, and I think your behavior in this thread was totally assholish. So what do you think, now that you at least slightly know me?

God you socialists always get so assblasted when your paper thin revisionism falls apart due to facts.

>accusing me, a Marxist-Leninist-Anarchist-Maoist-Hoxhaist-ThirdWorldist of revisionism

Learn some basic politics smh

All I know is what I learned in school.

Better Dead then Red, lead protects you from Nukes and be glad our School has a bomb shelter in it.

Do you happen to know what a this means I asked Prince but he didn't know

Second it is because socialism already has a problem of being dominated by white men. We, as a sub, have decided (even if the brocialist kick and scream the whole way) to try to build a community that isn't dominated by straight white men. Of the 9 new mods 7 of them are not straight white men.

/r/socialism is a known ideological shithole dominated by sad people seeking a purpose in internet forums and eternally watchful against the threat of cultural bolshevism BROCIALISTS

Yea, I just don't know what a brocialist is, is it like a BernieBro?

I also don't understand how you can be a Socialist and have a problem with it being dominated by white men when plenty of other colored folks have used it to wipe out their civilizations too.

A brocialist is a class reductionist socialist, who believes that class issues should come first to the exclusion of race/gender etc. I can say that I have never met a single brocialist in my time in leftist politics. Brocialists are, for the most part, just something thats popular to hate so that you can look cool and earn commie cred.

who believes that class issues should come first to the exclusion of race/gender etc.

Wait why aren't all socialists this and the Identity Politics ones the rarity?

Lenin, Stalin and Marx didn't have a whole lot to say about race, gender or privilege?

I thought the idiots in /r/Socialism were the vast minority.

For most socialists, such as myself, its not about race/gender or class. Its race and class and gender at the same time. Marx/Engels actually did have a lot to say about gender. I don't know about Lenin, I've only read State and Revolution by him, but I think he got on Rosa Luxembourgs back for organizing the sex workers in Germany.

As for Stalin, Mao, Kim Il-Sung and all the rest, they occurred as symptoms of the death of the 20th century communist movement and are not worth reading as their writings were only created to justify their crimes. I know the "not true communism" thing is a meme but theres really nothing else to call it.

huh I'm just surprised Feminism is so important to people following an Philosophy started by a guy who knocked up his maid

Thanks.

Marx also called his rivals "Jewish niggers" and "a thrice-cuckolded jackass" but here we are today

Y'know, I hear quite a few socialists whine pretty profusely about race/gender, but I scantly hear any solutions that aren't outright delusional. Do most socialists even acknowledge the fact that men and women are biologically different?

Of course there are biological differences between sexes, thats obvious. The true extent of which is unknown. I personally believe that even if men are typically more inclined towards math and women typically more inclined toward social science or whatever the current meme is, it shouldn't direct how we structure society as it would be unjust to those who do not fit into typical gender roles.

True, there will always be exceptions & outliers, but how do socialists hope to address said exceptions & outliers in an efficient way? I assume the free market is out of the window.

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I'm not quite sure what you want to see addressed in the first place -- differences in education and career paths individuals take? If so, that would be a topic for another time, since the whole space of work and education would change in a socialist society and problems of new forms would pop up, or depending on how well it is structured there might be no problems at all in the first place. I want to point to the GDR as an example. Liberal talking points like "breaking the glass ceiling" will obviously be obsolete, since economic hierarchy will be ideally abolished.

Anarchy is freedom, it been at the core of the discussion since you tried comparing anarchism to statism. You're free to believe in central economic planning, communism/socialism etc in anarchy... heck, you can choose to believe waving your little flag means something and that taxation isn't theft. Have a blast, start a commune, jerk off onto flags... do as you please so long as leave rational people alone and don't try to inflict your stupidity on them. Colloquially, religion refers to belief in a god or gods, but the more broad and proper definition is simply a particular system of faith and worship. Statists have faith that the government and only the government is capable of certain functions in society, so not a god perse, but it's a belief in a divine power. Government is setup just like a church as well and for good reason- it works. With religious symbols (flags, seals), religious texts (laws, constitutions, declarations), religious prayers (pledges of allegiance, national anthems, calling ones representative, voting), tithe (taxation), religious schools (public), arbitrary sins (victim-less crimes) and an entire hierarchy from the Pope (president) down to the cardinals, bishops and pastors to keep people engaged... it's a 1:1 clone. In medieval times, they literally overlapped, where the state enforced the religion and fear of eternal judgement enforced the law. There's numerous articles across the internet if you dive more into it, but there's also a book called "The Most Dangerous Superstition" that dives into some of the history. My position is simply the absence of coercion, confidence in preferable outcomes via the market vs. central planning is a non-issue as anarchy doesn't preclude others from collectivizing. Atheist are generally fine with people being religious until they start lynching them or blowing them up because they're sinner-infidels, anarchists are fine with dumbasses so long as they're powerless. Basically, when the government arrests someone for a victim-less crime, it's effectively doing the same thing as some evangelical shooting up an abortion clinic. In my ideal world, you're free to be a dipshit brainwashed little communist... yet here in your world you need to kill everyone that doesn't agree with you because your ideas are bad.

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Will I ever be able to overcome classcuckery

Ask again later.

what is funposting

i care about memetext

Gamergaters who like /pol/, but are too liberal to join it.

Anime commies.

>when even leftypol is making fun of you

Jesus that's gotta be a new low for r/socialism.

I'm sure they will find a way to keep digging. They always have before.

They've hit rock bottom, then busted out the heavy equipment.

Why did you link to the middle of a thread you heterosexual

/u/Prince_Kropotkin you just got named dropped on 8chan.

Time to listen to those haters and end it all now.

I think leftypol has mentioned me a few times now.

HEY LEFTYPOL IF YOU KNOW WHO I AM, SHOUT "CAN'T RINSE THE PRINCE"

Don't you post in Leftypol? Most folks there don't mind leftwithoutedge.

I have never posted in /leftypol/, have little plan to. I hear every now and then from PMs etc that I've been brought up, but I don't much like chans, in particular their post threading (but also the whole child porn/pedo boards on fullchan).

Does this mean you're fine with /zoo/?

How do we know it isn't Prince K posting about himself

Eh the old Jack might be, but he seems to have built a meagar following with /r/leftwithoutedge.

I don't think I've ever posted on a chan sub. Reddit is way more fun, I don't like chan-style post threading.

what a normie

They call me Norm McNormie around these here parts.

sorry, I can't be seen talking to you, I lose my weeb license if I associate with normies

Like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLpCZ8g5uK8

The weeb police are gonna get ya!

basically, except offenses include:

caring about 3D women

watching dubbed shows

fraternizing with normies

Please don't appropriate Irish culture, thx

I don't get it, who do we ping?

It's anarchism, you can ping anyone you want :^)

Cripple fight!

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I was aware of LARPing as guys standing around hitting each other with plastic swords, but I wasn't aware it was used to describe socialists. Why would a fascist want to pretend to be a leftie to hang out with a bunch of leftists?

LARPing is the new 2cool4skool word to replace pretending.

/u/cometparty when exactly did you decide that the word cunt was a no-no? http://archive.is/3TLSg

And how long ago did /u/annamaria give it up despite her culture? I assume you aren't Irish cometparty so you were just a misogynist then?

I'm an autistic, bisexual Marxist feminist living in the northeastern US.

Mmmm just wanna oppress this little pinko slut so bad.