You could argue that all altruism and charity has self-serving elements to some degree, but there are lots of people who are genuinely passionate about making the world a better place as well.
Oh yeah I know, I was referencing that argument (that altruism is self serving) that I have heard loosely explained on reddit and elsewhere. That's why I always get outraged at petty nonsense rather than serious stuff, for which I meekly claim a "South Park neutrality" stance and serve up vague but heartfelt notions of peace, love and happiness, etc. Mainly because I don't usually have any new insights or good solutions.
Psychologists have wondered for a long time why altruism exists, given that it often occurs at a detriment to the actor. The self-serving element is probably there to motivate people to do it, because from an evolutionary perspective it helps with the survival and well-being of a group
But then again does it matter if it's self-serving? Like nobody really gives a fuck about children in Africa. Like making the world less shitty makes a bit more comfortable to live in.
What prohibition applies to one who achieves
sexual penetration on himself? The initial reaction is that that would be impossible, but Rav Ashi opines
that while it would be impossible with an erection, it might be possible flaccid. (In that case, since the
penetration was only achieved in a non-ejaculatory condition, there are those who exempt him and those
who would find him liable both as the penetrator and as the penetrated, which are both capital offences
with regard to homosexual penetration). Oral penetration would be more rather than less likely upon
erection for one sufficiently flexible. It is clear, then, that that is not what Rav Ashi has in mind. A flaccid
penis, on the other hand, but not an erect one, could be bent to achieve anal-self-penetration.
I never care about the misfortunes of other people, whether I have any culpability in them or not, and therefore I am in fact a better person than evil self-serving SJWs. That's what science says.
link between guilt and self-serving expressions of outrage that reflect a kind of 'moral hypocrisy,'
I just wanted to tell everyone here the following:
I love you guys. Each and every one of you - even you u/snallygaster. You're all a great bunch of people. And I love all the SRS's too. And the cat ladies of r/TrollX. And the guys at r/the_donald.
lel @ Lolbertarians unironically upvoting tte shit out of this on their sub, while at the same time saying that the poor in a glorious AnCap society would only avoid starving to death with the help of 'charities'
lel @ Lolbertarians unironically upvoting tte shit out of this on their sub, while at the same time saying that the poor in a glorious AnCap society would only avoid starving to death with the help of 'charities'
Wait, there's more than one pug in the world?! I thought God made one as a joke and kept pasting him everywhere like a real life meme. "Haha wouldn't it be sad if these things actually existed"
Feelings of guilt are a direct threat to one's sense that they are a moral person and, accordingly, research on guilt finds that this emotion elicits strategies aimed at alleviating guilt that do not always involve undoing one's actions.
tl;dr: purportedly irreligious leftists are actually guilt-ridden Christians
The problem with the "duh" magazine is that their articles are unscientific and ultimately destructive because they can explain anything. Regardless of whether a person holds a well-thought of belief or just is virtue-signaling, you can claim that their moral outrage is self-serving. Upset about gays not being able to marry or folks in the Rust Belt succumbing to opiate dependency? Signaling your compassion, lol.
Which is why this particular paper is interesting and not "duh" at all, it set up a bunch of experiments that sort of separate the wheat from the chaff, I especially liked the third one:
Having the opportunity to express outrage at a third-party decreased guilt in people threatened through "ingroup immorality." Study participants who read that Americans were the biggest drivers of man-made climate change showed significantly higher guilt scores than those who read the blame-China article when they weren't given an opportunity to express anger at or assign blame to a third-party. However, having this opportunity to rage against hypothetical corporations led respondents who read the blame-America story to express significantly lower levels of guilt than the China group. Respondents who read that Chinese consumers were to blame had similar guilt levels regardless of whether they had the opportunity to express moral outrage.
Like, it establishes two things: being upset that your country is causing some harm is good and reasonable, being much less upset about that after you were allowed to rage against your country's corporations (which are still a part of "your country" that you were supposed to be upset about) is not reasonable or good.
That's not something you can use to determine if someone on the internet is a virtue-signaling moron (and thank God for that), but it's something you can use on yourself, if you're interested in not being a moron. That's good.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 92%. (I'm a bot)
These findings suggest that feelings of moral outrage, long thought to be grounded solely in concerns with maintaining justice, may sometimes reflect efforts to maintain a moral identity.
The researchers found that for those with high collective-guilt levels, having the chance to assert their moral goodness first led to less moral outrage at corporations.
Ultimately, the results of Rothschild and Keefer's five studies were "Consistent with recent research showing that outgroup-directed moral outrage can be elicited in response to perceived threats to the ingroup's moral status," write the authors.
For each study, a new group of respondents (solicited through Amazon's Mechanical Turk program) were presented with a fabricated news article about either labor exploitation in developing countries or climate change.
I mean, yeah, it feels good to do good things/stick up for people. I wouldn't argue that this makes people bad for wanting to feel good, I'd argue that human brains are hard wired to do good, and that means that, arguably, human nature is good.
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n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-03-02
but it feels so good
n/a Wacnews_the_White 2017-03-02
Like altruism or charity of any kind.
n/a snallygaster 2017-03-02
You could argue that all altruism and charity has self-serving elements to some degree, but there are lots of people who are genuinely passionate about making the world a better place as well.
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-03-02
These people are only acting on spooks. There is no such thing as altruism.
t. The Ego
n/a thesnakeinthegarden 2017-03-02
one can selfishly make the world a better place.
I need a nice place to keep my many fedoras and kitana swords.
n/a Thhueros 2017-03-02
Found the cuck that didn't read "The Ego and His Own" smdhyfn
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-03-02
I was referring to Freud, you dummy
n/a Akilroth234 2017-03-02
Don't you mean Max Stirner?
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-03-02
Yeah but i was trying to bullshit my way out of it
n/a Wacnews_the_White 2017-03-02
Oh yeah I know, I was referencing that argument (that altruism is self serving) that I have heard loosely explained on reddit and elsewhere. That's why I always get outraged at petty nonsense rather than serious stuff, for which I meekly claim a "South Park neutrality" stance and serve up vague but heartfelt notions of peace, love and happiness, etc. Mainly because I don't usually have any new insights or good solutions.
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-02
It is an interesting conundrum, because a world of self-negation and charity would suck balls.
n/a snallygaster 2017-03-02
Psychologists have wondered for a long time why altruism exists, given that it often occurs at a detriment to the actor. The self-serving element is probably there to motivate people to do it, because from an evolutionary perspective it helps with the survival and well-being of a group
n/a CirqueDuFuder 2017-03-02
Doesn't altruism have to come at a cost to self by definition?
n/a Assy-McGee 2017-03-02
What are "economic externalities", Alex
n/a CirqueDuFuder 2017-03-02
What do you mean?
n/a Assy-McGee 2017-03-02
things only I and /u/prince_kropotkin understand.
You must immerse yourself in the wavepool of anarchism before you swim with the economic sharks
n/a snallygaster 2017-03-02
True
n/a ComedicSans 2017-03-02
If you spend time doing altrustic shit, you're depriving yourself of whatever benefit you could have gotten by doing something selfish.
n/a Minimum_T-Giraff 2017-03-02
But then again does it matter if it's self-serving? Like nobody really gives a fuck about children in Africa. Like making the world less shitty makes a bit more comfortable to live in.
n/a DuckHuntHotDog 2017-03-02
i think we all need to agree this says something about agenda posts: they are fucking awesome and we should spam this entire sub to death with them
n/a snallygaster 2017-03-02
dys
n/a HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-03-02
dust yourself?
n/a Wacnews_the_White 2017-03-02
This ^
n/a CirqueDuFuder 2017-03-02
Dick yourself? I would if I could.
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-03-02
What prohibition applies to one who achieves sexual penetration on himself? The initial reaction is that that would be impossible, but Rav Ashi opines that while it would be impossible with an erection, it might be possible flaccid. (In that case, since the penetration was only achieved in a non-ejaculatory condition, there are those who exempt him and those who would find him liable both as the penetrator and as the penetrated, which are both capital offences with regard to homosexual penetration). Oral penetration would be more rather than less likely upon erection for one sufficiently flexible. It is clear, then, that that is not what Rav Ashi has in mind. A flaccid penis, on the other hand, but not an erect one, could be bent to achieve anal-self-penetration.
n/a CirqueDuFuder 2017-03-02
You can fuck your own ass with your own hard cock. It can be done.
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-03-02
The entire corpus of Rabbinical literature disagrees.
n/a Wordshark 2017-03-02
r/selfpenetration
n/a Itstheusual 2017-03-02
dys, but unironically.
n/a nmx179 2017-03-02
This but unironically
n/a -jean-paul- 2017-03-02
Abuse mod status, xpost this to SRD
It'll be fun, I promise
n/a Hammer_of_truthiness 2017-03-02
This but unironically
n/a snallygaster 2017-03-02
I already suggested that we get automod to post it to every surplus thread. :P
n/a sex_tourism 2017-03-02
just sticky it on every thread
n/a StopTalkingOK 2017-03-02
That might actually help someone. Can't have any of that.
n/a pepperouchau 2017-03-02
And every time titrc posts, right?
n/a snallygaster 2017-03-02
Rude!
n/a CirqueDuFuder 2017-03-02
But true. The rare times he acts normal is while being outcucked by menslib mods.
n/a pepperouchau 2017-03-02
I'm not hearing a no
n/a CirqueDuFuder 2017-03-02
I love you.
n/a GARBAGE_MACHINE 2017-03-02
is removed immediately
n/a SamInTheLoop 2017-03-02
We can just all pick roles and and make a little play here.
n/a downerabuse 2017-03-02
I never care about the misfortunes of other people, whether I have any culpability in them or not, and therefore I am in fact a better person than evil self-serving SJWs. That's what science says.
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-02
don't flatter yourself. you are of no importance.
n/a downerabuse 2017-03-02
you don't know my life, bro
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-02
Impress me.
n/a downerabuse 2017-03-02
I cause lots of stress to my family by being a neet. And do think I care about that? No, my conscious is clear.
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-02
BAD. FUCKING. ASS.
n/a headasplodes 2017-03-02
There's a difference between clear and non-existent
You must be one of those low-functioning autists
n/a the-fight-picker 2017-03-02
I just wanted to tell everyone here the following:
I love you guys. Each and every one of you - even you u/snallygaster. You're all a great bunch of people. And I love all the SRS's too. And the cat ladies of r/TrollX. And the guys at r/the_donald.
Dudes - you're all great.
n/a Wacnews_the_White 2017-03-02
This, but semi-sincerely.
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-02
Is this your cancer death-bed scene, where you thank everyone that made it all possible?
n/a Wacnews_the_White 2017-03-02
It will be now!
n/a Ennui2778 2017-03-02
Live everybody except /u/basicallyadoctor, who gave him the cancer.
n/a BasicallyADoctor 2017-03-02
What does this sentence mean
n/a Wacnews_the_White 2017-03-02
No questions now, let me die in peace with my loved ones around me.
n/a BasicallyADoctor 2017-03-02
He edited it that mad lad 😂 now people will think I'm a dope!
n/a IsADragon 2017-03-02
What about moral smugness?
n/a Senator_Chickpea 2017-03-02
It allows for odor-free feces, say biologists.
n/a Matues49 2017-03-02
lel @ Lolbertarians unironically upvoting tte shit out of this on their sub, while at the same time saying that the poor in a glorious AnCap society would only avoid starving to death with the help of 'charities'
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-03-02
the fuck are you on about?
n/a CirqueDuFuder 2017-03-02
Got you, /u/Matues49, crazy fuck
n/a Ennui2778 2017-03-02
This looks retarded but I missed it, now I'm sad.
n/a riemann1413 2017-03-02
hwat
n/a CirqueDuFuder 2017-03-02
Sometimes people get triggered.
n/a riemann1413 2017-03-02
UR TRIGGERED
n/a CirqueDuFuder 2017-03-02
Damn, the ultimate defense. No one can make fun of triggered people now.
n/a riemann1413 2017-03-02
got'em
n/a Wacnews_the_White 2017-03-02
No u
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-02
42% of liberals are literally suffering PTSD because of #MAGA.
(The other 58% were already suffering it due to gender identity disorder.)
n/a HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-03-02
But you believe PizzaGate is real.
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-02
James Alefantis is a pedophile who runs DNC events out of a pizza restaurant. Fact.
n/a Zachums 2017-03-02
ok
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-03-02
Madeleine McCann was abducted by the Podesta brothers. Fact.
n/a Regi66 2017-03-02
Bears eat beets
n/a kippot 2017-03-02
centipedos gonna centipedophile
n/a eatdix 2017-03-02
Bill Clinton is a rapist.
n/a Regi66 2017-03-02
SUPER MALE VITALITY
n/a baaaaby 2017-03-02
no offense but youre literally the most outraged person ive ever seen
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-02
None taken.
n/a Zachums 2017-03-02
he typed angrily
n/a headasplodes 2017-03-02
Weaker than your pug's shitty genes
n/a squarefaces 2017-03-02
Too far man, Kev is a national treasure. Apologize, NOW.
n/a Wacnews_the_White 2017-03-02
You could swap Kev out with any pug and no one would notice, least of all Zachums.
n/a cleverseneca 2017-03-02
Wait, there's more than one pug in the world?! I thought God made one as a joke and kept pasting him everywhere like a real life meme. "Haha wouldn't it be sad if these things actually existed"
Noodles delenda est
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-02
tl;dr: purportedly irreligious leftists are actually guilt-ridden Christians
n/a Mournhold 2017-03-02
hol up
U sayin... we gots some kinda, horseshoe or some shit?
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-02
No, just the next generation of Puritans.
n/a Newbdesigner 2017-03-02
Oh man I was right since 2014!!! I feel so good. Like I'm free basing red pills.
n/a headasplodes 2017-03-02
AYE YO
*SMACKS LIPS*
YOU SAYIN
*RUBS HANDS*
THAT WE WUZ KANGS N SHEEYIT?
This isn't relevant I just love racism
n/a Mournhold 2017-03-02
That's a pretty weak wew tbh lad
n/a ICallWooWooOnU 2017-03-02
This is why mayoskins are always the shrillest when they howl 'DAS RACIS!'
n/a drvgyn2 2017-03-02
Or when they shit up the sub with 2xc agenda posts because their mom tried to abort them
n/a beer__shits 2017-03-02
WHAT DO WE WANT
n/a cleverseneca 2017-03-02
A NICE FILET MIGNON MEDIUM RARE, WITH GARLIC BUTTER FINGERLING POTATOES AND SOME CRISP GREENBEANS!
n/a cimarafa 2017-03-02
good choice
n/a SmurfPrivilege 2017-03-02
Oh cool. First Day on Internet Kid got a job writing a psychology blog.
n/a snallygaster 2017-03-02
Yeah, when I read that I was like 'lol where have you been for the last 4 years??'
n/a m4bwav 2017-03-02
I think this was in last issue of 'duh' magazine.
n/a Ennui2778 2017-03-02
What about enviro-dipshit moral outrage people?
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-03-02
The problem with the "duh" magazine is that their articles are unscientific and ultimately destructive because they can explain anything. Regardless of whether a person holds a well-thought of belief or just is virtue-signaling, you can claim that their moral outrage is self-serving. Upset about gays not being able to marry or folks in the Rust Belt succumbing to opiate dependency? Signaling your compassion, lol.
Which is why this particular paper is interesting and not "duh" at all, it set up a bunch of experiments that sort of separate the wheat from the chaff, I especially liked the third one:
Like, it establishes two things: being upset that your country is causing some harm is good and reasonable, being much less upset about that after you were allowed to rage against your country's corporations (which are still a part of "your country" that you were supposed to be upset about) is not reasonable or good.
That's not something you can use to determine if someone on the internet is a virtue-signaling moron (and thank God for that), but it's something you can use on yourself, if you're interested in not being a moron. That's good.
n/a m4bwav 2017-03-02
Ha, lol, get triggered much?
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-03-02
Found a russian trump shill.
n/a m4bwav 2017-03-02
Uh, what?
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-03-02
Haha, triggered
n/a TheRootinTootinPutin 2017-03-02
r e k t
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k
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n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-02
http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/insane-look-what-nutball-professors-are-blaming-for-uptick-in-student-suicides
lololololololol
n/a Mournhold 2017-03-02
What a gay opinion.
n/a ghostchamber 2017-03-02
You're a gay opinion.
n/a Akilroth234 2017-03-02
he's already draining the swamp
n/a Up485 2017-03-02
Like making the world a better person than evil self-serving SJWs.
n/a C4Cypher 2017-03-02
It's kinda obvious ...
n/a klye1998 2017-03-02
It is clear, then, that that would be impossible, but Rav Ashi has in mind.
n/a Orsonius 2017-03-02
>reason dot com
Lel
n/a chanilastname 2017-03-02
So like the whole white saviour complex?
n/a ironman1464 2017-03-02
Doesn't altruism have to come at a detriment to the actor.
n/a cleverseneca 2017-03-02
Doesn't your mother have to come on my dick?
No, but she certainly seems to always do so anyway.
Noodles Delenda Est
n/a CosmicKeys 2017-03-02
The title suggest self-serving = wrong/disconnected from morality but the conclusion clearly says:
n/a Nechaev 2017-03-02
Paging u/75000_Tokkul and u/IAmAN00bie
Please confirm.
n/a IAmAN00bie 2017-03-02
(((Virtue signaling)))
n/a d0lphin0 2017-03-02
Each and every one of those low-functioning autists.
n/a sparten576 2017-03-02
Snapshots:. This Post - archive.org, megalodon.jp, archive.is*. I am in fact a better place as well.
n/a PolishPugLady 2017-03-02
Blablabla water is wet blablabla
n/a strenght14 2017-03-02
You can fuck your own ass with your own ass with your own hard cock.
n/a JayrassicPark 2017-03-02
In other news, mustard gas isn't actually made from mustard.
n/a Robotigan 2017-03-02
As much as I agree with the headline...
>reason.com
>free minds and free markets
http://i.imgur.com/gXHVKfJ.jpg
n/a autotldr 2017-03-02
This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 92%. (I'm a bot)
Extended Summary | FAQ | Theory | Feedback | Top keywords: Moral#1 Outrage#2 guilt#3 read#4 study#5
n/a ExtreemWeenie 2017-03-02
altruism isn't real
n/a taterbizkit 2017-03-02
Something inarguably true at face value, along the lines of "all philosophy is auto-biographical".
n/a charlesgrodinfan 2017-03-02
#101 - Being Offended
n/a double-happiness 2017-03-02
lol at the methodology
n/a [deleted] 2017-03-02
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n/a Choozadoodle 2017-03-02
I mean, yeah, it feels good to do good things/stick up for people. I wouldn't argue that this makes people bad for wanting to feel good, I'd argue that human brains are hard wired to do good, and that means that, arguably, human nature is good.