Moral Outrage Is Self-Serving, Say Psychologists

276  2017-03-02 by snallygaster

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Like altruism or charity of any kind.

You could argue that all altruism and charity has self-serving elements to some degree, but there are lots of people who are genuinely passionate about making the world a better place as well.

These people are only acting on spooks. There is no such thing as altruism.

t. The Ego

one can selfishly make the world a better place.

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Found the cuck that didn't read "The Ego and His Own" smdhyfn

I was referring to Freud, you dummy

Don't you mean Max Stirner?

Yeah but i was trying to bullshit my way out of it

Oh yeah I know, I was referencing that argument (that altruism is self serving) that I have heard loosely explained on reddit and elsewhere. That's why I always get outraged at petty nonsense rather than serious stuff, for which I meekly claim a "South Park neutrality" stance and serve up vague but heartfelt notions of peace, love and happiness, etc. Mainly because I don't usually have any new insights or good solutions.

It is an interesting conundrum, because a world of self-negation and charity would suck balls.

Psychologists have wondered for a long time why altruism exists, given that it often occurs at a detriment to the actor. The self-serving element is probably there to motivate people to do it, because from an evolutionary perspective it helps with the survival and well-being of a group

Doesn't altruism have to come at a cost to self by definition?

What are "economic externalities", Alex

What do you mean?

things only I and /u/prince_kropotkin understand.

You must immerse yourself in the wavepool of anarchism before you swim with the economic sharks

True

If you spend time doing altrustic shit, you're depriving yourself of whatever benefit you could have gotten by doing something selfish.

But then again does it matter if it's self-serving? Like nobody really gives a fuck about children in Africa. Like making the world less shitty makes a bit more comfortable to live in.

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The entire corpus of Rabbinical literature disagrees.

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This but unironically

I already suggested that we get automod to post it to every surplus thread. :P

just sticky it on every thread

That might actually help someone. Can't have any of that.

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I'm not hearing a no

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We can just all pick roles and and make a little play here.

I never care about the misfortunes of other people, whether I have any culpability in them or not, and therefore I am in fact a better person than evil self-serving SJWs. That's what science says.

whether I have any culpability in them or not

don't flatter yourself. you are of no importance.

you don't know my life, bro

Impress me.

I cause lots of stress to my family by being a neet. And do think I care about that? No, my conscious is clear.

BAD. FUCKING. ASS.

There's a difference between clear and non-existent

You must be one of those low-functioning autists

link between guilt and self-serving expressions of outrage that reflect a kind of 'moral hypocrisy,'

I just wanted to tell everyone here the following:

I love you guys. Each and every one of you - even you u/snallygaster. You're all a great bunch of people. And I love all the SRS's too. And the cat ladies of r/TrollX. And the guys at r/the_donald.

Dudes - you're all great.

This, but semi-sincerely.

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Live everybody except /u/basicallyadoctor, who gave him the cancer.

What does this sentence mean

No questions now, let me die in peace with my loved ones around me.

He edited it that mad lad 😂 now people will think I'm a dope!

What about moral smugness?

It allows for odor-free feces, say biologists.

lel @ Lolbertarians unironically upvoting tte shit out of this on their sub, while at the same time saying that the poor in a glorious AnCap society would only avoid starving to death with the help of 'charities'

the fuck are you on about?

lel @ Lolbertarians unironically upvoting tte shit out of this on their sub, while at the same time saying that the poor in a glorious AnCap society would only avoid starving to death with the help of 'charities'

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(The other 58% were already suffering it due to gender identity disorder.)

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no offense but youre literally the most outraged person ive ever seen

None taken.

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Noodles delenda est

Feelings of guilt are a direct threat to one's sense that they are a moral person and, accordingly, research on guilt finds that this emotion elicits strategies aimed at alleviating guilt that do not always involve undoing one's actions.

tl;dr: purportedly irreligious leftists are actually guilt-ridden Christians

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No, just the next generation of Puritans.

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That's a pretty weak wew tbh lad

This is why mayoskins are always the shrillest when they howl 'DAS RACIS!'

Or when they shit up the sub with 2xc agenda posts because their mom tried to abort them

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When people publicly rage about perceived injustices that don't affect them personally, we tend to assume this expression is rooted in altruism

Oh cool. First Day on Internet Kid got a job writing a psychology blog.

Yeah, when I read that I was like 'lol where have you been for the last 4 years??'

I think this was in last issue of 'duh' magazine.

What about enviro-dipshit moral outrage people?

The problem with the "duh" magazine is that their articles are unscientific and ultimately destructive because they can explain anything. Regardless of whether a person holds a well-thought of belief or just is virtue-signaling, you can claim that their moral outrage is self-serving. Upset about gays not being able to marry or folks in the Rust Belt succumbing to opiate dependency? Signaling your compassion, lol.

Which is why this particular paper is interesting and not "duh" at all, it set up a bunch of experiments that sort of separate the wheat from the chaff, I especially liked the third one:

Having the opportunity to express outrage at a third-party decreased guilt in people threatened through "ingroup immorality." Study participants who read that Americans were the biggest drivers of man-made climate change showed significantly higher guilt scores than those who read the blame-China article when they weren't given an opportunity to express anger at or assign blame to a third-party. However, having this opportunity to rage against hypothetical corporations led respondents who read the blame-America story to express significantly lower levels of guilt than the China group. Respondents who read that Chinese consumers were to blame had similar guilt levels regardless of whether they had the opportunity to express moral outrage.

Like, it establishes two things: being upset that your country is causing some harm is good and reasonable, being much less upset about that after you were allowed to rage against your country's corporations (which are still a part of "your country" that you were supposed to be upset about) is not reasonable or good.

That's not something you can use to determine if someone on the internet is a virtue-signaling moron (and thank God for that), but it's something you can use on yourself, if you're interested in not being a moron. That's good.

Ha, lol, get triggered much?

Found a russian trump shill.

Uh, what?

Haha, triggered

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http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/insane-look-what-nutball-professors-are-blaming-for-uptick-in-student-suicides

Professors at Columbia University in New York are blaming a recent epidemic of suicides at the school on Donald Trump.

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You're a gay opinion.

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Like making the world a better person than evil self-serving SJWs.

It's kinda obvious ...

It is clear, then, that that would be impossible, but Rav Ashi has in mind.

>reason dot com

Lel

So like the whole white saviour complex?

Doesn't altruism have to come at a detriment to the actor.

Doesn't your mother have to come on my dick?

No, but she certainly seems to always do so anyway.

Noodles Delenda Est

The title suggest self-serving = wrong/disconnected from morality but the conclusion clearly says:

The findings also suggest that "outrage driven by moral identity concerns serves to compensate for the threat of personal or collective immorality"

Paging u/75000_Tokkul and u/IAmAN00bie

Please confirm.

(((Virtue signaling)))

Each and every one of those low-functioning autists.

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As much as I agree with the headline...

>reason.com

>free minds and free markets

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These findings suggest that feelings of moral outrage, long thought to be grounded solely in concerns with maintaining justice, may sometimes reflect efforts to maintain a moral identity.

The researchers found that for those with high collective-guilt levels, having the chance to assert their moral goodness first led to less moral outrage at corporations.

Ultimately, the results of Rothschild and Keefer's five studies were "Consistent with recent research showing that outgroup-directed moral outrage can be elicited in response to perceived threats to the ingroup's moral status," write the authors.


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altruism isn't real

Something inarguably true at face value, along the lines of "all philosophy is auto-biographical".

For each study, a new group of respondents (solicited through Amazon's Mechanical Turk program) were presented with a fabricated news article about either labor exploitation in developing countries or climate change.

lol at the methodology

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I mean, yeah, it feels good to do good things/stick up for people. I wouldn't argue that this makes people bad for wanting to feel good, I'd argue that human brains are hard wired to do good, and that means that, arguably, human nature is good.