Probably more to do with how systemic discrimination affects different minorities differently, given different histories, stereotypes and perceptions.
Take several 5 year olds doing identical 5 year old stuff, studies show if they're black they'll get punished disproportionately harshly, and that's at 5 years old. Extrapolate to the rest of society and it's pretty easy to see how negative reinforcement can shape a persons path - not every person, but we're talking about trends here.
Just expecting someone to be smart leads to a rise in test scores. They did a study with asian women, when reminded they were asian the group did better on math tests, when reminded they were women they did worse.
The upside to being asian - viewed as non criminal, highly intelligent, hard working, the downside(which also aids in hiring and integrating) sexless docile doormats - who wouldnt want to hire a highly intelligent sexless docile doormat.
Still not seeing a link to the study about 5 year olds like I was asking about before you sperged out posting shit everyone with any sort of Psy or Soci background already knows.
shit we figured out 50years ago with why IQ test scores were low for certain people isn't that brave of you to post it just makes you look dumb.
You have to be 5 when school starts you tard. From your general illiteracy I'm guessing you were probably homeschooled in one of our more rural states, but that means that kids can be 5 years old for up to 11 months before going to kindergarten.
You've got nothing and honestly I'm tired of watching you try to keep this going.
k guy who thought 5 year olds took college and SAT tests youre obv top tier smartypants.
Like all you did was post shit I already knew for 3 hours while refusing to provide the one thing relevant to what I was talking about, but glad you feel smug?
Dude, that's not even how non sequitur is used, stop acting like such a intellect.
If you're going to use Latin at least have the decency to be able to use it correctly.
Srsly you've failed to provide the one thing you said was easily googled and you don't even know how Kindergarten works, do some research before projecting retardation onto other people, why are you posting if you clearly never have fun doing it?
Do you ever notice that you just claim things without providing any actual arguments? Like that I don't know how to use the term non sequitur (my guess is you googled it and only looked at the first result). It's really your go to move. That and trying to change the argument to one you could actually win (like whether five year olds take the SAT).
And picking on the arrogantly ignorant is fun for me, sorry if you didn't enjoy it :(
Dude you just aren't fun to post with because of how seriously you post, it's obvious you aren't having fun because you never just go with the conversation, it's all about how much smarter you are and how everyone else isn't as smart as you as you add s to a Latin phrase because that's how you think they work.
(like whether five year olds take the SAT)
You've been on a 4 hour posting spree and still don't understand that I actually know what i'm talking about because you want to feel superior to someone you've imagined a whole personality and life behind.
I was never asking for common knowledge studies, I wanted the specific ones about 5 year olds
Take several 5 year olds doing identical 5 year old stuff, studies show if they're black they'll get punished disproportionately harshly
I wanted a study to see how they tested "Identical 5 year old stuff"
And you gave me shit about College students, SAT Scores, Preschoolers and a Vox link.
And picking on the arrogantly ignorant is fun for me, sorry if you didn't enjoy it :(
See youre confusing arrogant and ignorant with disagreeing with you about basic facts everybody knows.
You smug posted because you thought I didn't know basic shit everyone learns in Psy 101 in HS, like that's the level of knowledge that gets you off.
I can't believe Foehammer guy doesn't know you're trolling.
AMMMR is less autistic then you because he knows not to fucking serious post all the time.
( This post is a joke because I'm posting a huge post about how dumb it is to post seriously and your duty is to reply with K or U mad but it's mainly to let you know I don't have a grudge or a problem with people who disagree with me on Reddit like you seem to have)
See how you're saying that everyone knows this stuff and you are clearly joking while also still saying that those studies didn't count because the OP said things about 5 year olds and well technically some preschoolers are 4? That's how I know you do care and are actually this ridiculous.
See how you're saying that everyone knows this stuff
famillama do you want me to explain the entire history of Tests and IQ tests and why races scored diff and how we figured it out and things that impact people taking tests?
Because at this point you should just take some classes.
It's stuff everyone knows, It's why I didn't want those links in the first place, studies that show Black Children are punsihed harder with a AA Teacher, disabled get suspended more because Teachers can't deal with them properly are all old stuff everyone who knows anything about this already knows.
Like you are super upset and reeeing about studies people already know while failing to provide the one thing you sperged out and said was easily googlable and now you think i'm the one upset, y'all need to stop projecting about shit only you care about.
When I was asking for studies I was asking for the studies about 5year olds, not all the other stuff you posted that people who know anything about studies on schools already know.
That's why I didn't care about your studies about College students and SAT scores.
You've been posting stuff I already knew ( And anybody who knows anything about this topic would already know) instead of what I was interested in.
It's pretty clear at this point that the studies he was talking about were your preschooler ones about Black Teachers and Eye focus on misbehaving students just you can't say the study result is because of what he said it was ( Is it racism that Teachers give more attention to students who act up, Teachers are allowed to only do so much with students who act up, they can have fits and leave the classroom and Teachers can't do anything about it; is it more likely for AA students to act up, lots of ground to cover on the topic)
It's why I've been so amused by you posting like such a braintrust over stuff at literally a highschool level of information about Psy and Soci
Are you saying you want to talk? Do you see me as some sort of outlet to voice all the things that piss you off about people who you disagree with politically IRL but are too much of a pansey to speak up about?
That'd be way more entertaining then whatever this sad mess is.
Hahaha, now you're just writing fan fic about sticking it to a smug liberal pussy. Do you hear all your Reddit friends clapping in your head as you bravely post on?
He just made vague reference to these studies with no quotations, citations, other proof that the studies exist at all.
He also gave no indication as to the effect size, which would be nice to have if we're supposed to take these studies the way he's using them, as proof that the racial achievement gap is entirely due to social conditioning.
He just made vague reference to these studies with no quotations, citations, other proof that the studies exist at all.
He also gave no indication as to the effect size, which would be nice to have if we're supposed to take these studies the way he's using them, as proof that the racial achievement gap is entirely due to social conditioning.
Apparently scientific studies are now leftist coolaid.
Then again right wing people dont believe in evolution or global warming or helping people so why the arse should I care what you think?
Take high school graduates doing high school graduate stuff, studies show if they're asian they'll get punished disproportionately harshly (by admissions boards), and that's at high school age.
a National Study of College Experience led by Espenshade and Radford (2009) showed that a student who self-identifies as Asian will need 140 SAT points higher than whites, 320 SAT points higher than Hispanics, and 450 SAT points higher than African Americans.
That's not punishment, thats discriminatory selection.
It's absurd to on the one hand say that parents emphasizing education is a benefit, then act like constant demonization from preschool and low expectations cant act as a detriment.
then act like constant demonization from preschool and low expectations cant act as a detriment.
I never said it can't act as a detriment. I just don't think it accounts for a significant portion of the achievement gap. There's a tendency of people like you to cherry-pick possible sources for the achievement gap that put the blame on 'society' or the 'white power structure'. Racial bias in the SAT test questions, institutionalized discrimination, slight differences in the number of time white children are called upon versus others. There's no follow up discussion about how much this contributes to the achievement gap. At the same time, you take great pains to discourage discussion of sources that shift blame back on the home environment. Do you know how hard it is for a young single parent (possibly teenage) to advance their education? How about we check out rates of teen pregnancy/teen motherhood to see if maybe this might be a factor or does this line of inquiry make you uncomfortable?
Do you have data or studies that controls for these outside factors though? The assumption that this negative outside pressure can't account for the discrepancy is merely an attempt to absolve people of responsibility for the detrimental parts of the systems that they can affect.
Now I'm not arguing that these are the only factors, only the idea raised in the comment I replied to that you can directly compare one minority to another without contextualizing the history and stereotypes that affect different minorities.
I have taken no pains to discourage discussion on any of the other factors, since no one brought them up. I do note the points you raise aren't unique to non-model minorities, and especially in the case of teen pregnancy can easily be rectified with basic sexual education that time and time again conservatives directly oppose, despite data that indicates that their preferred method isn't working.
What is often done though is what is ascribed to culture is simply poverty, which if you control for only leaves cultural(which is not monolithic) and external factors.
Now you're talking! All we had to do was dislodge you from identity politics so that we can start discussing actual solutions.
I'm all for more comprehensive sex ed. But in the meantime, any individual from an underserved, underrepresented group can also make some changes in their personal lives to increase their chances at success.
If we're talking about fixing society we work on society, since we know for a fact that people can do everything right and still get passed up or punished unjustly.
An ethnic sounding name can halve your chances of getting a call back with an identical resume. Which is a symptom of systemic discrimination.
How do you teach people to have a different attitude to society when the best of them are still treated like shit?
In breaking out each demographic group from the population of study, there are myriad confounding variables which must be considered, not all of which can be controlled in the analysis you presented. Thus, we cannot conclude that any perceived associations are not spurious, meaning your hypothesis remains unproven.
Q.E.D.
At this point, this is general drift of your arguments. I'm out. It's just boring to go in these circles with people like you.
Using studies not done to absolve the powerful of blame. We don't need to do a study to show that discrimination and its negative consequences have taken a toll on every aspect of african american society, the only question is how exactly do we quantify this toll, and you're being either intentionally ignorant or slyly discriminatory when you suppose that because we haven't quantified exactly that negative effect that in can be dismissed out of hand.
Apparently scientific studies are now leftist coolaid.
Yes, you ignoramus. When only 36% of psychology studies turn out to be reproducible (meaning that the alleged "science" that you fetishize is less reliable than flipping a coin) then only an idiot or a brainwashed sheep would rely on the politicized results.
How do you know this study wasnt part of that 36%?
Because the replication crisis wasn't a single study, it was the result of THOUSANDS of replication studies. For gods sake please use Wikipedia or Google replication crisis before you even touch the "reply" button again; I can feel myself losing brain cells each time I have to explain the obvious to you.
Until you educate yourself on the actual facts that are relevant here, we have nothing to discuss because your brain is so full of the cultist BS that liberals pass off as "science" that there is no room in your head for the sad (but true) reality that we live in.
To be fair some of you idiots were shitting on someone's mention of the stereotype effect by saying it was one study that couldn't be replicated, when in actuality there's been plenty of literature on it.
I never said that. Am I responsible for what every r/drama poster says? Hell, even the mods aren't responsible for telling people what to do, and they run this little slice of heaven.
They did a study with asian women, when reminded they were asian the group did better on math tests, when reminded they were women they did worse.
I believe this is one of those oft-quoted studies which fell victim to the replication crisis in social psychology. Meaning it's probably not true. And thank god because if you could cause women to fail math tests just by pointing out they were women, misogyny would be the only ethical position.
It's also related to what I call the source chain problem. Where each generation of researchers obfuscates the origin of an incorrect assumption by referring to prior research.
Almost every non-classic study in Psychology hasn't been replicated, so the vast, vast majority. You don't get funding for replicating a study unless it's a classic or an extremely important/controversial study in a topic du jour. On top of this, researchers of all kinds have very sneaky ways of massaging data or a narrative to make the study publishable (especially frequent in brain/behavioral sciences because studies that aren't statistically significant or otherwise or otherwise showing an effect are extremely likely to get published) or confirm the researcher's position, who even knows how many of the assumptions taken for granted in brain and behavioral sciences are actually true.
Same goes for medical and health sciences literature to an even worse degree. Like exponentially worse, though iirc there might be a greater chance of replication, but they suffer from super amplified versions of the same problems and have some unique ones.
In most fields, being unable to replicate a study means that study loses credibility. In social psychology it means there's a mysterious force making it harder for you to show the world how right you obviously are.
the downside(which also aids in hiring and integrating) sexless docile doormats - who wouldnt want to hire a highly intelligent sexless docile doormat.
/u/AMMovieReviewer would you please explain to /u/Foehammer87 why Asian men aren't sexless docile doormats, i'd explain it myself how dumb and racist it is to say something like this but I feel as an Asian Man you'd do a better job.
Asians aren't viewed as sexless docile doormats.
Chinese are famous for how much they will try to jew you on any sort of negotiation or deal.
I don't think this word means what you think it means. I suggest that you do some research. Meanwhile, please stop appropriating language used by victims of actual abuse and using it incorrectly in a stupid internet argument. You're actually making it harder for domestic violence victims to be taken seriously.
I noticed that the most recent movie listed in the list was "Ghost in the Shell", coloured red for being notably racist against Asian men. Despite you claiming that "Every entry fails to pass the Asian-male-Bechdel Test", the movie has not been released yet and therefore you cannot make any claims as to the content of the movie. Your only complaint is, then, that Asian men are murdered in the movie, a complaint which you have used for several others on the list. This is, of course, a very shallow complaint, especially considering, as pointed out, Ghost in the Shell is a Japanese IP and therefore it is expected there would be many Asian men. This arbitrary cherry-picking is counter to your claim that all of these films are "specifically and actively" racist, especially considering you believe the cherry-picked example listed is notable enough to warrant the special red colour scheme.
It is a notable film. Not notably racist. That entry is tame compared to many others.
"Every entry fails to pass the Asian-male-Bechdel Test", the movie has not been released yet and therefore you cannot make any claims as to the content of the movie.
LOL
If you really have a problem with that one, well, go nuts on the other 348. Seems like you just read the first line and went 'well, fuck this guy.' Seriously, read or watch all of them.
Your only complaint is, then, that Asian men are murdered in the movie
Yeah along with hundreds of others. And they are only cast to be murdered/shat on. The list is supposed to be understood as a whole. Not skimmed in 5 minutes. It is supposed to prove a general point that spans hundreds of films.
Ghost in the Shell is a Japanese IP and therefore it is expected there would be many Asian men
LOL
This arbitrary cherry-picking
LOL
"specifically and actively" racist
Some are. Some are not. They all fail the AMB Test.
Last I checked, it was a list of things without any counterpoints.
You missed the entire point. It's quality + quantity.
You don't seem to know how addition works. Quality + quantity implies that not only are there a bunch of examples, but they are all good examples. Your list has some quality and some quantity, but they aren't combined.
And I have a message for you: Facts always triumphs over lies, eventually.
This is just flat out false. How else would fundies exist?
Last I checked, it was a list of things without any counterpoints.
Doesn't need any. Not sure if you're trolling. If you are, you might be one of the most advanced I've come up against. But something tells me you're not...
Your list has some quality and some quantity, but they aren't combined
lol. It has quality, as well as quantity. It's a combined effect. It's for scum that say, "Oh, it's like 5 movies, stfu you oversensitive cuck." No, it's actually (as of typing this, not 348, but) 349. If it's not in-your-face, then there's no impact.
This is just flat out false
The truth always comes out on top. Whether it takes 5 minutes, 70 years, or a 1000. That's why I'm making this list.
You claimed the list "defends itself". For things to be defended, they need to have things they are defending against. Hence, points and counterpoints. So, say, if I were to claim that one of your points was faulty, then you would have anticipated the claim and made a counterpoint to explain why it isn't faulty.
Not sure if you're trolling. If you are, you might be one of the most advanced I've come up against.
I appreciate the compliment. A word of advice, though. If you suspect something, don't just outwardly state you suspect something. Any attempted troll will double down once they know you're not onto them yet.
It has quality, as well as quantity. It's a combined effect.
That's not how combined effects work. Quantity vs quality isn't about whether or not you have any of either. If you had two entries, you couldn't claim "quantity" because there's multiple things. In the same vein, if 10% of your entries are accurate and undebatable, you can't claim "quality" just because they exist.
The truth always comes out on top.
If you're so concerned with the truth, why not use some of that truth to explain your reasoning. If fundies can exist despite all the years of scientific advancement, how can you say for sure that the truth inherently comes out in any argument?
Ooohhh you mean like that? Like, semantic bullshit. K.
So, say, if I were to claim that one of your points was faulty, then you would have anticipated the claim and made a counterpoint to explain why it isn't faulty.
Doesn't really need counterpoints. No one who read the entire list would pip a squeak. And if I added counterpoints, the list would be harder to read in that it would be double the length. But again, as I said, counterpoint are unnecessary here. Take it or leave it. It's expected that non-AMs wouldn't care anyway.
I appreciate the compliment. A word of advice, though. If you suspect something, don't just outwardly state you suspect something. Any attempted troll will double down once they know you're not onto them yet.
Stop.
If you had two entries, you couldn't claim "quantity" because there's multiple things
There's 351 as of now.
In the same vein, if 10% of your entries are accurate and undebatable, you can't claim "quality" just because they exist.
lmfao. That's just not the case. Nice try.
If you're so concerned with the truth, why not use some of that truth to explain your reasoning.
Not necessary. Read the list, or don't. Take it in, or fuck off. Simple enough.
If fundies can exist despite all the years of scientific advancement, how can you say for sure that the truth inherently comes out in any argument?
My list is the truth. It's primarily geared towards AM who might care about this stuff. Non-AMs obviously will not, and actually enjoy the fact that making this list is possible. Otherwise, it wouldn't be in any movie.
However, I wouldn't mind if you read the whole list and watched its accompanying videos.
You sure are confident in your list. Oddly confident, for someone who's going to such lengths to...not defend it. I've got a bit of truth to drop on you, people who act the most confident actually have the least evidence behind their claims. And the things that make you the angriest are the things you know are true.
You don't even know the amount of assumptions you're making. Generally that's a trait of people who are wrong, at least according to facts and science.
You're wrong as a point of fact. I ask simply the fundamental question of rationality: why do you believe what you believe? It's clear you cannot answer the question, and therefore you have no place lecturing anyone on the truth.
I'm gonna break character for a bit and tell you that yes, I have been trolling you this entire time. However, that doesn't mean that anything I've said so far has been inaccurate. Only entry-level trolls simply pretend to be retarded in the hopes of getting a rise out of people. I consider myself to be more elegant than that, phrasing the truth in such a way as to create maximum self-entertainment.
Now I'm hoping that, despite our previous animosity, you can understand where I'm coming from with the next statement. This, like the other things I've said, is completely true. Unlike other things I've said, though, this is meant to help you understand the situation better. There is something obvious and important you missed about this argument. I could tell you what it was, but it's important for your personal growth and understanding that I don't spoonfeed you the information.
So now that Ghost in the Shell has been officially released, and we can clearly see that there were clearly important main characters that were Asian men who were clearly not cast to be murdered/shat on, and that the movie does, in fact, appear to pass the Asian-male-Bechedel Test.
Will you remove the example in your blog, and apologise for jumping to false conclusions, or do you admit that you include false/exaggerated examples to inflate numbers?
I will not apologize for not jumping to false conclusions.
I don't admit to lies from pigskins.
I did not inflate numbers. I actually deflate numbers. You're welcome to argue otherwise, but obviously, there's no proof supporting your racist claims.
So, what I am getting from this is that, despite claiming to be on the search for the truth, you will nonetheless spread false information, despite claiming to have accurate information that will help your cause.
There is false information. You are claiming that Ghost in the Shell fails the Asian-male-Bechedel test because the main character kills ugly, villanous, Asian men and that therefore Hollywood hates Asian men. A simple glance at the IMDB page proves that claim false in all regards. While Asian men do die in the movie, there is nothing that could be extrapolated from it. There are positively-portrayed Asian men, there are murdered villains who are not Asian men, and many of the Asian men who are murdered criminals are actually rather attractive.
You are claiming that Ghost in the Shell fails the Asian-male-Bechedel test because the main character kills ugly, villanous, Asian men and that therefore Hollywood hates Asian men.
Yes.
A simple glance at the IMDB page proves that claim false in all regards.
LOL. Sorry. I don't pay heed to alternative facts.
There are positively-portrayed Asian men
The movie fails the AMB test. Offenses do not just cancel each other out. If I throw shit on you, and give you 15 dollars, those two actions don't cancel each other out.
there are murdered villains who are not Asian men
And?
many of the Asian men who are murdered criminals are actually rather attractive
The movie fails to pass the AMB test. Period.
Again, you only read the first entry. Spreading lies about the first entry on a list of 514 items doesn't do anything. Stop trolling and make some friends IRL.
You now have 2 more messages left. Use them wisely.
It does not fail the Asian-male-Bechedel Test though. Lots of Asian men do all sorts of things in the movie.
Offenses do not just cancel each other out.
Well this is a pretty serious non-sequitor compared to your previous statement. The Bechedel Test isn't an "offense", it's specifically designed to show a lack of attention. Let's not ignore the one leg you have left to stand on.
If I throw shit on you, and give you 15 dollars, those two actions don't cancel each other out.
You're right. Shit is easy to clean off in a matter of minutes, and $15 is more than most people get hourly. The $15 payout is so much more signficant.
It does not fail the Asian-male-Bechedel Test though.
It does. Villainous, grotesque-looking AM with no lines get killed en masse by a white female protagonist. Fails the test.
The Bechedel Test isn't an "offense", it's specifically designed to show a lack of attention.
Lol. You don't even know what non-sequitir means. This is not the Bechdel test. This is the AM Becdel test. Nice try. This whole line of thought is the real non-seq.
You're right. Shit is easy to clean off in a matter of minutes, and $15 is more than most people get hourly. The $15 payout is so much more signficant.
Non-sequitir, nor is it an honest response.
Again, you've continually proved yourself as a simple gaslighter. Pro-tip. Trolling doesn't work on someone who knows you're a troll.
I'm just defending the list for the impressionable lurker passerbys.
You have 1 message left. I know you won't use it well.
Ah, I see. I was operating under the assumption that you were hoping to, at least, maintain a facade of impartiality and accuracy. If you really wanted to make up a term, don't piggyback on another term that has actual meaning.
You know as well as I do that you're getting trolled very easily. If you truly didn't care you wouldn't even bother blocking me, let alone giving me chances to prove myself.
Ah, I see. I was operating under the assumption that you were hoping to, at least, maintain a facade of impartiality and accuracy.
Again, every one of the "arguments" has been debunked for impressionable lurkers.
You know as well as I do that you're getting trolled very easily.
What? lol
If you truly didn't care you wouldn't even bother blocking me
I don't really care about mosquitoes but they annoy me. Blocking you is just using the bug spray.
giving me chances to prove myself
I have. Yet you continually prove to me that you are a troll since your points are so painfully obvious in their malintent, misdirection, and gaslighting.
You're still not helping your case here. You also know that there are no more lurkers around and if there were you wouldn't be helping anyone by slightly fixing their opinion.
Asian women being docile is something that only someone who's never been in or seen a relationship with an Asian women could say because of untrue it is.
Nevermind how racist it is of you to assume all Asian women are the same.
oh christ you moron. I am specifically talking about the stereotype, not the people. If I failed to make that clear then that's my bad, but I feel like I made a distinction between how people ARE and how people PERCEIVE them.
a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing
Early researchers believed that stereotypes were inaccurate representations of reality. A series of pioneering studies in the 1930s found no empirical support for widely held racial stereotypes. By the mid-1950s, Gordon Allport wrote that, "It is possible for a stereotype to grow in defiance of all evidence."
How dare you assume the perception of millions of people held by other millions of people. How dare you assume that with a few words you can stereotype millions of people's stereotypes of other millions of people. You people make me sicc.
Aren't we talking about american society and negative stereotypes, I'm not saying asian people ARE sexless docile doormats, I'm saying that broad ignorant stereotypes often paint them as such. And if you look at media aside from martial arts movies they rarely let asian dudes be leads especially not romantic leads.
I dunno why you're arguing that the dumb stereotype that I presented as dumb is dumb.
To all the people below who've disagreed with me, look in your heart and ask: Is there any argument I could make that would change your mind?
Maybe if you could M. Night Shamaladingdong my life to show that, actually, all those lunch breaks I spent in the computer and science labs, I was actually surrounded by sassy black women and not spotty white dudes.
There is no reason to make fun of the perfectly fine Indian name "Shyamalan" dude got passed down from his family when you can make fun of him for wilfully deciding to assume the name "Night".
Do you really understand what they face as an woman? Its life on easy mode, they don't have to work a single day of their life if they can find some beta to marry who makes 70k a year.
I'm serious. Do you really think its hard to be a woman, when society EXPECTS YOU TO NEVER WORK?
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n/a ImNotPayingFullPrice 2017-03-09
/u/pwnslinger, I need you right now to go study something you're not interested in. Go!
n/a Ikea_Man 2017-03-09
God that sub is trash
n/a muthera 2017-03-09
Well,trash is only thing reddit produces
n/a SteamPunk_Devil 2017-03-09
I mean yeah just look at this sub
n/a satanismyhomeboy 2017-03-09
Some may call this junk.
Me, I call them treasures.
n/a atakeonhooper 2017-03-09
it's so upsetting that he's also Nick Valentine
n/a 18aidanme 2017-03-09
ikr, like half of the posts became "This is why Trump is literally Hitler".
n/a StopTalkingOK 2017-03-09
Well he is white so.....
n/a darth_stroyer 2017-03-09
His trying his best to be orange to escape the mayocide.
n/a OniTan 2017-03-09
Did you know that 99% of trash collectors are men?
n/a LemonScore 2017-03-09
n/a atakeonhooper 2017-03-09
that's all real shit though
n/a Fate-0 2017-03-09
Feels are always real.
n/a atakeonhooper 2017-03-09
feelings do exist for those of us not on the spectrum
but in this case, it's data gleaned from scientific studies
n/a Fate-0 2017-03-09
So if I go into a classroom full of downies and tell them that they're all prodigies with latent super IQs, will their test scores also go up?
n/a atakeonhooper 2017-03-09
They'd probably more comfortable with you there
n/a ComedicSans 2017-03-09
I like that /u/Fate-0 thinks that he will patronise them.
n/a satanismyhomeboy 2017-03-09
EVERYBODY IS THE SAME
IQ DON'T REAL
n/a dj_ilo 2017-03-09
probably yeah and if you tell them they're drooling retards the test scores would go down
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
Oh really, the scientific studies?
The studies he didn't provide any proof weren't invented up in his mind?
Those are the studies you are believing?
n/a atakeonhooper 2017-03-09
making me look like a stupid science bitch again
n/a VicePresidentJesus 2017-03-09
http://www.apa.org/research/action/stereotype.aspx
Why google shit when you can just angrily hurl your ignorance out into the world.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
Why don't you try googling
Before you start srs posting at me angrily
n/a VicePresidentJesus 2017-03-09
And everyone knows the only legitimate science is the science done using five year olds.
I'm still counting making you read some actual science as a win for society.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
Still not seeing a link to the study about 5 year olds like I was asking about before you sperged out posting shit everyone with any sort of Psy or Soci background already knows.
shit we figured out 50years ago with why IQ test scores were low for certain people isn't that brave of you to post it just makes you look dumb.
Either post what I was asking for or shut up.
n/a VicePresidentJesus 2017-03-09
Ah, well now that you agree with half the studies being discussed we are half way there.
https://m.phys.org/news/2016-09-implicit-bias-high-preschool-expulsion.html
http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/03/21/292456211/black-preschoolers-far-more-likely-to-be-suspended
http://www.vox.com/2015/10/31/9646504/discipline-race-charts
You're going to do more reading tonight than you've done all month.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
Maybe if you stopped projecting made up bullshit onto me you'd relize that you've invented
Your first link isn't it because guess what Preschoolers aren't 5 year old.
Same with your second Link
You want to show me which one of the many studies linked in your Vox article is the one about 5 year olds?
n/a VicePresidentJesus 2017-03-09
That's not even a real sentence.
Lol. They are literally 4-5 years old.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
Jesus fuck how dumb are you.
You have to be 5 to be a children in Kindergarten in America.
Why are you trying to talk about this if you aren't even aware of how old a preschooler is.
And you still haven't linked me the one thing you said you'd provide.
Put up or shut up and admit you sperged out over nothing.
n/a VicePresidentJesus 2017-03-09
You have to be 5 when school starts you tard. From your general illiteracy I'm guessing you were probably homeschooled in one of our more rural states, but that means that kids can be 5 years old for up to 11 months before going to kindergarten.
You've got nothing and honestly I'm tired of watching you try to keep this going.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
You still haven't linked the one thing you said you'd provide and was mad at me for not googling.
Maybe you should reflect on how serious you are taking this and kys?
Why do you know so little about the American School system?
You've been posting for like 3 hours about shit only you are talking about and youre the one tired of acting retarded amazing.
n/a VicePresidentJesus 2017-03-09
Hahaha, you really do wear your ignorance and anti-social problems as badges of honor.
And I haven't been talking by myself, I can always count on you to struggle along besides me.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
k guy who thought 5 year olds took college and SAT tests youre obv top tier smartypants.
Like all you did was post shit I already knew for 3 hours while refusing to provide the one thing relevant to what I was talking about, but glad you feel smug?
n/a VicePresidentJesus 2017-03-09
Oh that was a weak one, it's all non sequiturs. You're getting tired, I can tell. Get some sleep and we can pick this up later.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
Dude, that's not even how non sequitur is used, stop acting like such a intellect.
If you're going to use Latin at least have the decency to be able to use it correctly.
Srsly you've failed to provide the one thing you said was easily googled and you don't even know how Kindergarten works, do some research before projecting retardation onto other people, why are you posting if you clearly never have fun doing it?
n/a VicePresidentJesus 2017-03-09
Do you ever notice that you just claim things without providing any actual arguments? Like that I don't know how to use the term non sequitur (my guess is you googled it and only looked at the first result). It's really your go to move. That and trying to change the argument to one you could actually win (like whether five year olds take the SAT).
And picking on the arrogantly ignorant is fun for me, sorry if you didn't enjoy it :(
Thanks for the last word.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
Dude you just aren't fun to post with because of how seriously you post, it's obvious you aren't having fun because you never just go with the conversation, it's all about how much smarter you are and how everyone else isn't as smart as you as you add s to a Latin phrase because that's how you think they work.
You've been on a 4 hour posting spree and still don't understand that I actually know what i'm talking about because you want to feel superior to someone you've imagined a whole personality and life behind.
I was never asking for common knowledge studies, I wanted the specific ones about 5 year olds
I wanted a study to see how they tested "Identical 5 year old stuff"
And you gave me shit about College students, SAT Scores, Preschoolers and a Vox link.
See youre confusing arrogant and ignorant with disagreeing with you about basic facts everybody knows.
You smug posted because you thought I didn't know basic shit everyone learns in Psy 101 in HS, like that's the level of knowledge that gets you off.
AMMMR is less autistic then you because he knows not to fucking serious post all the time.
( This post is a joke because I'm posting a huge post about how dumb it is to post seriously and your duty is to reply with K or U mad but it's mainly to let you know I don't have a grudge or a problem with people who disagree with me on Reddit like you seem to have)
n/a VicePresidentJesus 2017-03-09
See how you're saying that everyone knows this stuff and you are clearly joking while also still saying that those studies didn't count because the OP said things about 5 year olds and well technically some preschoolers are 4? That's how I know you do care and are actually this ridiculous.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
famillama do you want me to explain the entire history of Tests and IQ tests and why races scored diff and how we figured it out and things that impact people taking tests?
Because at this point you should just take some classes.
It's stuff everyone knows, It's why I didn't want those links in the first place, studies that show Black Children are punsihed harder with a AA Teacher, disabled get suspended more because Teachers can't deal with them properly are all old stuff everyone who knows anything about this already knows.
Like you are super upset and reeeing about studies people already know while failing to provide the one thing you sperged out and said was easily googlable and now you think i'm the one upset, y'all need to stop projecting about shit only you care about.
n/a VicePresidentJesus 2017-03-09
Wait, you lost me, so why were you posting that some preschoolers are only 4 and don't take the SAT? You gotta focus that rage more my man.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
When I was asking for studies I was asking for the studies about 5year olds, not all the other stuff you posted that people who know anything about studies on schools already know.
That's why I didn't care about your studies about College students and SAT scores.
You've been posting stuff I already knew ( And anybody who knows anything about this topic would already know) instead of what I was interested in.
It's pretty clear at this point that the studies he was talking about were your preschooler ones about Black Teachers and Eye focus on misbehaving students just you can't say the study result is because of what he said it was ( Is it racism that Teachers give more attention to students who act up, Teachers are allowed to only do so much with students who act up, they can have fits and leave the classroom and Teachers can't do anything about it; is it more likely for AA students to act up, lots of ground to cover on the topic)
It's why I've been so amused by you posting like such a braintrust over stuff at literally a highschool level of information about Psy and Soci
n/a VicePresidentJesus 2017-03-09
The moment when you cop out with "I knew all along, I was just pretending to be retarded" is always my favorite.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
Dude you've spent 2 days telling me how much I care and how mad I am and how dumb I am for not knowing shit you learn in high school.
No one cares but you, like what are you even posting for?
How am I pretending to not know about studies I referenced before you posted them?
Do you even understand how retarded this is?
What entertainment are you getting from posting pretendingtoberetarded.JPG?
You get both parties in that situation are retarded right?
Like I post shit only pure autists don't figure out is bait and drag it out and congratz ur a winner? Be proud that you tricked me into shit posting?
Try being a better poster if you think I actually care about anything i'm posting about your the retarded one oxoxo
n/a VicePresidentJesus 2017-03-09
https://www.reddit.com/r/LifeProTips/comments/5yp1e3/lpt_if_someone_asks_you_a_question_that_can_be/
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
> Easily Googlable
> Took you literally 2 days to find the study
Are you saying you want to talk? Do you see me as some sort of outlet to voice all the things that piss you off about people who you disagree with politically IRL but are too much of a pansey to speak up about?
That'd be way more entertaining then whatever this sad mess is.
n/a VicePresidentJesus 2017-03-09
Hahaha, now you're just writing fan fic about sticking it to a smug liberal pussy. Do you hear all your Reddit friends clapping in your head as you bravely post on?
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
U mad
n/a VicePresidentJesus 2017-03-09
Sry bby, maybe next time.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
K
n/a VicePresidentJesus 2017-03-09
You would do better if you stuck to one framing at a time.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
K
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-09
Can you post that photo of your living room again
n/a ur_mom_IoI 2017-03-09
>study is quoted
>brave drama user sums it up as feels
gottem
n/a nmx179 2017-03-09
Except it wasn't at all.
He just made vague reference to these studies with no quotations, citations, other proof that the studies exist at all.
He also gave no indication as to the effect size, which would be nice to have if we're supposed to take these studies the way he's using them, as proof that the racial achievement gap is entirely due to social conditioning.
n/a nmx179 2017-03-09
Except it wasn't at all.
He just made vague reference to these studies with no quotations, citations, other proof that the studies exist at all.
He also gave no indication as to the effect size, which would be nice to have if we're supposed to take these studies the way he's using them, as proof that the racial achievement gap is entirely due to social conditioning.
n/a ur_mom_IoI 2017-03-09
Referenced then jesus. i bet you're not this lippy to your stepdad
n/a nmx179 2017-03-09
Of course not, because he's not a sloppy mess like you.
n/a ur_mom_IoI 2017-03-09
n/a nmx179 2017-03-09
Thank goodness you didn't try to argue that you aren't a sloppy mess, that would have been even more embarrassing for you.
n/a ur_mom_IoI 2017-03-09
repeating what you just said like it makes it more insulting lol
n/a Foehammer87 2017-03-09
Apparently scientific studies are now leftist coolaid. Then again right wing people dont believe in evolution or global warming or helping people so why the arse should I care what you think?
n/a SmurfPrivilege 2017-03-09
Take high school graduates doing high school graduate stuff, studies show if they're asian they'll get punished disproportionately harshly (by admissions boards), and that's at high school age.
n/a Foehammer87 2017-03-09
That's not punishment, thats discriminatory selection.
It's absurd to on the one hand say that parents emphasizing education is a benefit, then act like constant demonization from preschool and low expectations cant act as a detriment.
n/a SmurfPrivilege 2017-03-09
I never said it can't act as a detriment. I just don't think it accounts for a significant portion of the achievement gap. There's a tendency of people like you to cherry-pick possible sources for the achievement gap that put the blame on 'society' or the 'white power structure'. Racial bias in the SAT test questions, institutionalized discrimination, slight differences in the number of time white children are called upon versus others. There's no follow up discussion about how much this contributes to the achievement gap. At the same time, you take great pains to discourage discussion of sources that shift blame back on the home environment. Do you know how hard it is for a young single parent (possibly teenage) to advance their education? How about we check out rates of teen pregnancy/teen motherhood to see if maybe this might be a factor or does this line of inquiry make you uncomfortable?
n/a Foehammer87 2017-03-09
Do you have data or studies that controls for these outside factors though? The assumption that this negative outside pressure can't account for the discrepancy is merely an attempt to absolve people of responsibility for the detrimental parts of the systems that they can affect.
Now I'm not arguing that these are the only factors, only the idea raised in the comment I replied to that you can directly compare one minority to another without contextualizing the history and stereotypes that affect different minorities.
I have taken no pains to discourage discussion on any of the other factors, since no one brought them up. I do note the points you raise aren't unique to non-model minorities, and especially in the case of teen pregnancy can easily be rectified with basic sexual education that time and time again conservatives directly oppose, despite data that indicates that their preferred method isn't working.
What is often done though is what is ascribed to culture is simply poverty, which if you control for only leaves cultural(which is not monolithic) and external factors.
n/a SmurfPrivilege 2017-03-09
Funny, that's how I view your attempts to absolve people of responsibility for their personal choices.
Things an individual control which can affect their educational opportunities:
n/a Foehammer87 2017-03-09
Sexual education and easy access to contraception shows a large drop in unwanted pregnancies. We can start with that.
n/a SmurfPrivilege 2017-03-09
Now you're talking! All we had to do was dislodge you from identity politics so that we can start discussing actual solutions.
I'm all for more comprehensive sex ed. But in the meantime, any individual from an underserved, underrepresented group can also make some changes in their personal lives to increase their chances at success.
n/a Foehammer87 2017-03-09
If we're talking about fixing society we work on society, since we know for a fact that people can do everything right and still get passed up or punished unjustly.
An ethnic sounding name can halve your chances of getting a call back with an identical resume. Which is a symptom of systemic discrimination.
How do you teach people to have a different attitude to society when the best of them are still treated like shit?
n/a SmurfPrivilege 2017-03-09
Same thing happens to asians.
Looks like you're "asians only succeed because whitey favors them" narrative is in the toilet.
Since we're repeating things that have been appearing on the internet ad naseum since the early 2000s, let me give you some fun facts:
Try doing a little research so I don't have to condescendingly drop oft-repeated factoids to convince myself I'm smarter than you!
n/a Foehammer87 2017-03-09
Never said "they only succeed because whitey favors them"
I said "there are multiple negative stereotypes that affect non asian minorities so to directly compare the situations is idiotic"
But as you don't seem to be able to read I dunno if you can understand idea.
n/a SmurfPrivilege 2017-03-09
In breaking out each demographic group from the population of study, there are myriad confounding variables which must be considered, not all of which can be controlled in the analysis you presented. Thus, we cannot conclude that any perceived associations are not spurious, meaning your hypothesis remains unproven.
Q.E.D.
At this point, this is general drift of your arguments. I'm out. It's just boring to go in these circles with people like you.
n/a Foehammer87 2017-03-09
Using studies not done to absolve the powerful of blame. We don't need to do a study to show that discrimination and its negative consequences have taken a toll on every aspect of african american society, the only question is how exactly do we quantify this toll, and you're being either intentionally ignorant or slyly discriminatory when you suppose that because we haven't quantified exactly that negative effect that in can be dismissed out of hand.
n/a SmurfPrivilege 2017-03-09
Your studies didn't account for every possible confounding variable. Therefore, YOU. ARE. WRONG.
P.S. I don't know how to make the hand clapping emojis, but if I did, I assure you, I'd have got you gud.
n/a ElectricFencePence 2017-03-09
Tell them to change their names, of course.
n/a Fate-0 2017-03-09
n/a CC3940A61E 2017-03-09
until they can replicate a study and provide accurate data they shouldn't even be called science.
n/a StopTalkingOK 2017-03-09
It's Kool Aid. Not whatever shit commie knock off brand you're talking about.
n/a wolfdreams01 2017-03-09
Yes, you ignoramus. When only 36% of psychology studies turn out to be reproducible (meaning that the alleged "science" that you fetishize is less reliable than flipping a coin) then only an idiot or a brainwashed sheep would rely on the politicized results.
n/a Foehammer87 2017-03-09
How do you know this study wasnt part of that 36%?
But even aside from that you have anything at all to contribute to the conversation besides "sheep!"
n/a wolfdreams01 2017-03-09
Because the replication crisis wasn't a single study, it was the result of THOUSANDS of replication studies. For gods sake please use Wikipedia or Google replication crisis before you even touch the "reply" button again; I can feel myself losing brain cells each time I have to explain the obvious to you.
Until you educate yourself on the actual facts that are relevant here, we have nothing to discuss because your brain is so full of the cultist BS that liberals pass off as "science" that there is no room in your head for the sad (but true) reality that we live in.
n/a zatchj62 2017-03-09
To be fair some of you idiots were shitting on someone's mention of the stereotype effect by saying it was one study that couldn't be replicated, when in actuality there's been plenty of literature on it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat
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n/a wolfdreams01 2017-03-09
I never said that. Am I responsible for what every r/drama poster says? Hell, even the mods aren't responsible for telling people what to do, and they run this little slice of heaven.
n/a hotblondeboob 2017-03-09
My sides
n/a Mournhold 2017-03-09
"ur a grill btw ;)"
fails math test
n/a muthera 2017-03-09
worse
n/a BlackPeopleEmoji 2017-03-09
https://i.imgur.com/E9zlw21.jpg
🤓🤓😆😆wen ur doin gud on the test🤔🤔🤔🤔 But then u realize ur a girl😐😯👠💅
n/a TurtleSmuggler 2017-03-09
To be fair that's called stereotype threat, and is a fairly well documented effect.
n/a thefran 2017-03-09
Does it replicate?
n/a hotblondeboob 2017-03-09
So being aware of what you are makes you more dumb or more smart?
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-09
Source? source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? gonna need a source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? I will only accept a leftist academic source? Source?
n/a zatchj62 2017-03-09
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat#References
n/a ghostofpennwast 2017-03-09
[[[Well doccumented]]]
n/a Ylajali_2002 2017-03-09
I believe this is one of those oft-quoted studies which fell victim to the replication crisis in social psychology. Meaning it's probably not true. And thank god because if you could cause women to fail math tests just by pointing out they were women, misogyny would be the only ethical position.
n/a Traim 2017-03-09
Is their a short overview which papers are affected for people who only are superficially interested into psychology?
n/a Ebenezar_McCoy 2017-03-09
I just posted this link above before I saw your question, it's an episode of the Hidden Brain podcast where they discuss the replication crisis.
n/a BlackPeopleEmoji 2017-03-09
It's also related to what I call the source chain problem. Where each generation of researchers obfuscates the origin of an incorrect assumption by referring to prior research.
n/a snallygaster 2017-03-09
Almost every non-classic study in Psychology hasn't been replicated, so the vast, vast majority. You don't get funding for replicating a study unless it's a classic or an extremely important/controversial study in a topic du jour. On top of this, researchers of all kinds have very sneaky ways of massaging data or a narrative to make the study publishable (especially frequent in brain/behavioral sciences because studies that aren't statistically significant or otherwise or otherwise showing an effect are extremely likely to get published) or confirm the researcher's position, who even knows how many of the assumptions taken for granted in brain and behavioral sciences are actually true.
Same goes for medical and health sciences literature to an even worse degree. Like exponentially worse, though iirc there might be a greater chance of replication, but they suffer from super amplified versions of the same problems and have some unique ones.
n/a toiracse 2017-03-09
As far as replicability goes...
Cognitive/Behavioural Psychology journals are generally better than most.
Clinical and Developmental fields sit in the middle.
Biological journals are slightly below those.
The worst are Social and Personality journals.
As far as the power of each field goes... it depends on the journal but the vast majority of articles published across the board are very low power.
n/a Ebenezar_McCoy 2017-03-09
They did two replications simultaneously in different parts of the country. In one the data supported the original study in the other it failed to replicate.
n/a SpectroSpecter 2017-03-09
In most fields, being unable to replicate a study means that study loses credibility. In social psychology it means there's a mysterious force making it harder for you to show the world how right you obviously are.
n/a neutralvoter 2017-03-09
social psychology was created as a stopgap for to allow stupid people that wanted to do science to do 'science' without damaging real science.
n/a OccasionallyClueless 2017-03-09
Actually, it means you get to choose which interpretation is correct! It's the fun and new "choose-the-results-you-want" method of science.
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-09
Source? source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? gonna need a source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? Source? I will only accept a leftist academic source? Source?
n/a zatchj62 2017-03-09
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype_threat#References
n/a wowbagger88 2017-03-09
FUCKING PATRIARCHY
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
/u/AMMovieReviewer would you please explain to /u/Foehammer87 why Asian men aren't sexless docile doormats, i'd explain it myself how dumb and racist it is to say something like this but I feel as an Asian Man you'd do a better job.
Asians aren't viewed as sexless docile doormats.
Chinese are famous for how much they will try to jew you on any sort of negotiation or deal.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
They're treated and depicted as such. At least that's according to facts and reality.
Well, at least that's the message scum like you peddle. Don't hit your hapa son too hard.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
That's not in hiring practices and socially tho, the reasons AM are depicted like that is the opposite of reality.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
LOL. Nice concern-trolling.
If you weren't mentally deficient, you'd know it is.
http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/02/23/516823230/asian-last-names-lead-to-fewer-job-interviews-still
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-asian-legal-20170116-story.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_ceiling
https://www.forbes.com/sites/evapereira/2011/07/27/asians-in-america-excelling-in-academics-failing-to-get-ahead-in-leadership/#51d220e572b3
https://hbr.org/2016/12/why-arent-there-more-asian-americans-in-leadership-positions
http://www.ibtimes.com/asian-american-students-are-targeted-bullies-364068
Fuck off with your racism and gaslighting. Don't ping me just because you have no one to talk to in real life.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
I pinged you because you should be able to set the record correct better then myself.
If I'm a dumb redneck and I know that Asians are good workers who are smart why wouldn't I hire them over some wetback?
It's the same reason Mexicans get hired over Blacks.
Everybody knows stereotypes aren't true and Asians sexuality isn't something that would impact hiring someone.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Wow. Read the studies.
Read the studies.
And seriously, stop pinging me. Get some friends IRL.
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-03-09
Hey bud. Just wanted to let you know that I fucked some viet whores in Saigon so asians can be entrepreneurial too!
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Paying for sex isn't something you should brag about.
At least have a college fund ready your half-Viet son when he comes back.
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-03-09
If he ain't already found me, he ain't gonna. This was during the war and a lot of viet women were budding entrepreneurs. Truly, the American dream
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Oh, so you're one of those. Didn't even know they had internet at the retirement center.
n/a WyrmSaint 2017-03-09
Until there's a white man leading Samsung why should there be an asian man leading Microsoft?
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Don't know how what you're saying is relevant. idgaf about microsoft or apple. Actually read the articles if you know how to.
Move along, troll.
n/a WyrmSaint 2017-03-09
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Ok. Read it. Have fun. Go nuts.
n/a WyrmSaint 2017-03-09
Alright, so you won't actually defend your sources.
Sounds like asians are represented just fine to me.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Why would I defend a troll. I already know you're a lost cause. This list is just for lurkers.
http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/02/23/516823230/asian-last-names-lead-to-fewer-job-interviews-still
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-asian-legal-20170116-story.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamboo_ceiling
https://www.forbes.com/sites/evapereira/2011/07/27/asians-in-america-excelling-in-academics-failing-to-get-ahead-in-leadership/#51d220e572b3
https://hbr.org/2016/12/why-arent-there-more-asian-americans-in-leadership-positions
http://www.ibtimes.com/asian-american-students-are-targeted-bullies-364068
n/a WyrmSaint 2017-03-09
Accidental honesty?
n/a joncash 2017-03-09
Not Samsung, but Sony certainly did have a white CEO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Stringer
So yes Microsoft SHOULD have an Asian CEO.
Which they actually do so I guess it all works out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Nadella
We just need to hurry it up and replace all the white CEOs with Asians.
Mayocide Nao!
n/a WyrmSaint 2017-03-09
We all know who really leads Microsoft
n/a friendlysoviet 2017-03-09
But Steve Jobs is dead.
n/a SithisTheDreadFather 2017-03-09
I don't think this word means what you think it means. I suggest that you do some research. Meanwhile, please stop appropriating language used by victims of actual abuse and using it incorrectly in a stupid internet argument. You're actually making it harder for domestic violence victims to be taken seriously.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Holy shit. This is high-level troll. Props. But fuck off.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
Oh man that link. I encourage anyone who ignored the link to go back and read it, it's gold.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Fuck off.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
Hey, I'm providing free advertising for your project. Normally people would be paid for this work. I do accept Good Boy Points as payment.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Fuck off.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
I noticed that the most recent movie listed in the list was "Ghost in the Shell", coloured red for being notably racist against Asian men. Despite you claiming that "Every entry fails to pass the Asian-male-Bechdel Test", the movie has not been released yet and therefore you cannot make any claims as to the content of the movie. Your only complaint is, then, that Asian men are murdered in the movie, a complaint which you have used for several others on the list. This is, of course, a very shallow complaint, especially considering, as pointed out, Ghost in the Shell is a Japanese IP and therefore it is expected there would be many Asian men. This arbitrary cherry-picking is counter to your claim that all of these films are "specifically and actively" racist, especially considering you believe the cherry-picked example listed is notable enough to warrant the special red colour scheme.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
It is a notable film. Not notably racist. That entry is tame compared to many others.
LOL
If you really have a problem with that one, well, go nuts on the other 348. Seems like you just read the first line and went 'well, fuck this guy.' Seriously, read or watch all of them.
Yeah along with hundreds of others. And they are only cast to be murdered/shat on. The list is supposed to be understood as a whole. Not skimmed in 5 minutes. It is supposed to prove a general point that spans hundreds of films.
LOL
LOL
Some are. Some are not. They all fail the AMB Test.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
I see you have no intention to defend your list. A little advice for you, quality always trumps quantity.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
If you read the list, it defends itself. I have no use in defending it to someone who won't actually read it.
You missed the entire point. It's quality + quantity.
And I have a message for you: Facts always triumphs over lies, eventually.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
Last I checked, it was a list of things without any counterpoints.
You don't seem to know how addition works. Quality + quantity implies that not only are there a bunch of examples, but they are all good examples. Your list has some quality and some quantity, but they aren't combined.
This is just flat out false. How else would fundies exist?
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Doesn't need any. Not sure if you're trolling. If you are, you might be one of the most advanced I've come up against. But something tells me you're not...
lol. It has quality, as well as quantity. It's a combined effect. It's for scum that say, "Oh, it's like 5 movies, stfu you oversensitive cuck." No, it's actually (as of typing this, not 348, but) 349. If it's not in-your-face, then there's no impact.
The truth always comes out on top. Whether it takes 5 minutes, 70 years, or a 1000. That's why I'm making this list.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
You claimed the list "defends itself". For things to be defended, they need to have things they are defending against. Hence, points and counterpoints. So, say, if I were to claim that one of your points was faulty, then you would have anticipated the claim and made a counterpoint to explain why it isn't faulty.
I appreciate the compliment. A word of advice, though. If you suspect something, don't just outwardly state you suspect something. Any attempted troll will double down once they know you're not onto them yet.
That's not how combined effects work. Quantity vs quality isn't about whether or not you have any of either. If you had two entries, you couldn't claim "quantity" because there's multiple things. In the same vein, if 10% of your entries are accurate and undebatable, you can't claim "quality" just because they exist.
If you're so concerned with the truth, why not use some of that truth to explain your reasoning. If fundies can exist despite all the years of scientific advancement, how can you say for sure that the truth inherently comes out in any argument?
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Ooohhh you mean like that? Like, semantic bullshit. K.
Doesn't really need counterpoints. No one who read the entire list would pip a squeak. And if I added counterpoints, the list would be harder to read in that it would be double the length. But again, as I said, counterpoint are unnecessary here. Take it or leave it. It's expected that non-AMs wouldn't care anyway.
Stop.
There's 351 as of now.
lmfao. That's just not the case. Nice try.
Not necessary. Read the list, or don't. Take it in, or fuck off. Simple enough.
My list is the truth. It's primarily geared towards AM who might care about this stuff. Non-AMs obviously will not, and actually enjoy the fact that making this list is possible. Otherwise, it wouldn't be in any movie.
However, I wouldn't mind if you read the whole list and watched its accompanying videos.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
You sure are confident in your list. Oddly confident, for someone who's going to such lengths to...not defend it. I've got a bit of truth to drop on you, people who act the most confident actually have the least evidence behind their claims. And the things that make you the angriest are the things you know are true.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Lmfao. Once again, I don't need to defend something that defends itself.
The most confident people are those that know the truth.
I don't need to defend 2+2=4. But youd probably call me "over-confident" for that as well.
This list is for those who will read it. Not trolls who read the first line and go for the kill.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
You don't even know the amount of assumptions you're making. Generally that's a trait of people who are wrong, at least according to facts and science.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
I've made no assumptions. You're the one who made assumptions without having read the proof.
I know you're just trolling, so you can stop.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
You're wrong as a point of fact. I ask simply the fundamental question of rationality: why do you believe what you believe? It's clear you cannot answer the question, and therefore you have no place lecturing anyone on the truth.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Firstly, you are a troll. It's getting really annoying.
You're derailing a factual argument with epistemological nonsense. I have no need to talk with someone who has not read the proof.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
I'm gonna break character for a bit and tell you that yes, I have been trolling you this entire time. However, that doesn't mean that anything I've said so far has been inaccurate. Only entry-level trolls simply pretend to be retarded in the hopes of getting a rise out of people. I consider myself to be more elegant than that, phrasing the truth in such a way as to create maximum self-entertainment.
Now I'm hoping that, despite our previous animosity, you can understand where I'm coming from with the next statement. This, like the other things I've said, is completely true. Unlike other things I've said, though, this is meant to help you understand the situation better. There is something obvious and important you missed about this argument. I could tell you what it was, but it's important for your personal growth and understanding that I don't spoonfeed you the information.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Dude... get some friends IRL...
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I count at least four assumptions in that one sentence alone. At least three of which are false.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
k
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
I got a bit of required reading for you:
http://psych.colorado.edu/~vanboven/teaching/p7536_heurbias/p7536_readings/kruger_dunning.pdf
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-art-thinking-clearly/201306/the-overconfidence-effect
http://www.guidetopsychology.com/anger.htm
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
LMFAO. Trolling doesn't work anymore.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
Trolling always succeeds, in the end.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Not in this case.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
Tough talk from someone who hasn't even read my links.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Stop trolling. Find something better to do.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
No.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
k
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
k
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
lol
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
So now that Ghost in the Shell has been officially released, and we can clearly see that there were clearly important main characters that were Asian men who were clearly not cast to be murdered/shat on, and that the movie does, in fact, appear to pass the Asian-male-Bechedel Test.
Will you remove the example in your blog, and apologise for jumping to false conclusions, or do you admit that you include false/exaggerated examples to inflate numbers?
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Oh. You again.
I will keep it in there because it is anti-AM.
The movie fails to pass the AMB Test.
I will not apologize for not jumping to false conclusions.
I don't admit to lies from pigskins.
I did not inflate numbers. I actually deflate numbers. You're welcome to argue otherwise, but obviously, there's no proof supporting your racist claims.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
So, what I am getting from this is that, despite claiming to be on the search for the truth, you will nonetheless spread false information, despite claiming to have accurate information that will help your cause.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Again, you are trolling, as per usual, cus you have no proof for any of this.
There is no false information on that database. If there was, you'd be able to point to them, but you can't.
I'll give you 3 more messages before I block you. I'm tired of talking to obvious trolls who present no evidence.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
There is false information. You are claiming that Ghost in the Shell fails the Asian-male-Bechedel test because the main character kills ugly, villanous, Asian men and that therefore Hollywood hates Asian men. A simple glance at the IMDB page proves that claim false in all regards. While Asian men do die in the movie, there is nothing that could be extrapolated from it. There are positively-portrayed Asian men, there are murdered villains who are not Asian men, and many of the Asian men who are murdered criminals are actually rather attractive.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Yes.
LOL. Sorry. I don't pay heed to alternative facts.
The movie fails the AMB test. Offenses do not just cancel each other out. If I throw shit on you, and give you 15 dollars, those two actions don't cancel each other out.
And?
The movie fails to pass the AMB test. Period.
Again, you only read the first entry. Spreading lies about the first entry on a list of 514 items doesn't do anything. Stop trolling and make some friends IRL.
You now have 2 more messages left. Use them wisely.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
It does not fail the Asian-male-Bechedel Test though. Lots of Asian men do all sorts of things in the movie.
Well this is a pretty serious non-sequitor compared to your previous statement. The Bechedel Test isn't an "offense", it's specifically designed to show a lack of attention. Let's not ignore the one leg you have left to stand on.
You're right. Shit is easy to clean off in a matter of minutes, and $15 is more than most people get hourly. The $15 payout is so much more signficant.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
It does. Villainous, grotesque-looking AM with no lines get killed en masse by a white female protagonist. Fails the test.
Lol. You don't even know what non-sequitir means. This is not the Bechdel test. This is the AM Becdel test. Nice try. This whole line of thought is the real non-seq.
Non-sequitir, nor is it an honest response.
Again, you've continually proved yourself as a simple gaslighter. Pro-tip. Trolling doesn't work on someone who knows you're a troll.
I'm just defending the list for the impressionable lurker passerbys.
You have 1 message left. I know you won't use it well.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
Ah, I see. I was operating under the assumption that you were hoping to, at least, maintain a facade of impartiality and accuracy. If you really wanted to make up a term, don't piggyback on another term that has actual meaning.
You know as well as I do that you're getting trolled very easily. If you truly didn't care you wouldn't even bother blocking me, let alone giving me chances to prove myself.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Again, every one of the "arguments" has been debunked for impressionable lurkers.
What? lol
I don't really care about mosquitoes but they annoy me. Blocking you is just using the bug spray.
I have. Yet you continually prove to me that you are a troll since your points are so painfully obvious in their malintent, misdirection, and gaslighting.
Get some friends IRL for me, okay?
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
You're still not helping your case here. You also know that there are no more lurkers around and if there were you wouldn't be helping anyone by slightly fixing their opinion.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Oh, and thanks for your continual support of the database. Much appreciated.
n/a Ennui2778 2017-03-09
/u/Foehammer87 are Asians sexless, docile doormats, or sexualized, fetishized, and objectified by the evil wypipo gaze?
n/a Foehammer87 2017-03-09
the women are sexualized - mainly for bein docile, the men are sexless, the docility feeds into both negative stereotypes.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
Asian women being docile is something that only someone who's never been in or seen a relationship with an Asian women could say because of untrue it is.
Nevermind how racist it is of you to assume all Asian women are the same.
n/a Foehammer87 2017-03-09
oh christ you moron. I am specifically talking about the stereotype, not the people. If I failed to make that clear then that's my bad, but I feel like I made a distinction between how people ARE and how people PERCEIVE them.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
Can you not see that he's just concern-trolling? This is how he spends his whole day. Let the poor loser do his thing, but don't fall for his bs.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
Stereotypes are Stereotypes because they are true, you are confusing a stereotype with a fetishization.
You're the moron.
Asian Women being docile is something that no one who has actually been in a relationship with one thinks.
That's why it's not a stereotype that exists
n/a Foehammer87 2017-03-09
a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing
Early researchers believed that stereotypes were inaccurate representations of reality. A series of pioneering studies in the 1930s found no empirical support for widely held racial stereotypes. By the mid-1950s, Gordon Allport wrote that, "It is possible for a stereotype to grow in defiance of all evidence."
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
Okay so since you had to google it you clearly aren't informed enough to be having this discussion
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-09
oh boy.
n/a snallygaster 2017-03-09
You don't think that stereotypes can be based on faulty observations/perceptions or unfamiliarity?
n/a WorkingLikaBoss 2017-03-09
How dare you assume the perception of millions of people held by other millions of people. How dare you assume that with a few words you can stereotype millions of people's stereotypes of other millions of people. You people make me sicc.
n/a StrategicSarcasm 2017-03-09
Good stereotypes that you just pulled out of your ass.
n/a Foehammer87 2017-03-09
Aren't we talking about american society and negative stereotypes, I'm not saying asian people ARE sexless docile doormats, I'm saying that broad ignorant stereotypes often paint them as such. And if you look at media aside from martial arts movies they rarely let asian dudes be leads especially not romantic leads.
I dunno why you're arguing that the dumb stereotype that I presented as dumb is dumb.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
Yes, all the White Men who have yellow fever think Asian Women are sexless docile doormats.
???? Do you understand why this is retarded yet.
/u/AMMovieReviewer This is why I pinged you, this guy thinks Asians are only allowed to be leads in Martial Arts Movies, especially not romantic leads
And even I know about Han from the Fast and Furious series and i'm sure you have more examples of actual cinematography
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
I can't believe Foehammer guy doesn't know you're trolling.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-03-09
I actually pinged you because I thought he'd love your Movie List since it covers what he is arguing about.
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
For the lurkers, here. Go nuts.
n/a sex_tourism 2017-03-09
thanks, stay woke fellow mongol
n/a AMMovieReviewer 2017-03-09
-oid, dipshit.
n/a Peter_Tor 2017-03-09
https://www.google.com/search?q=math+psychology+test+asian+vs+woman&oq=math+psychology+test+asian+vs+woman&aqs=chrome..69i57.41964j0j4&client=ms-android-att-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&sesinv=1&authuser=0#xxri=0
I Googled, first link was a PDF to a study like this. I learned about this in psych 101.
n/a OniTan 2017-03-09
Needs to be posted to /r/hapas.
n/a i_insane_x_i 2017-03-09
Chinese are celebrated for how much this contributes to the rest of society and it's data reaped from scientific studies.
n/a Crowsworth 2017-03-09
Quoted a song. Imagine doing that, how you would view truth and reality to quote a song as evidence on social issues.
n/a ____________13 2017-03-09
Maybe if you could M. Night Shamaladingdong my life to show that, actually, all those lunch breaks I spent in the computer and science labs, I was actually surrounded by sassy black women and not spotty white dudes.
n/a none_to_remain 2017-03-09
There is no reason to make fun of the perfectly fine Indian name "Shyamalan" dude got passed down from his family when you can make fun of him for wilfully deciding to assume the name "Night".
n/a Wacnews_the_White 2017-03-09
Night is a badass name tho.
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-09
I mean, even if there is a wage gap, it is probably just and good anyway.
n/a neutralvoter 2017-03-09
This was used as proof of something, tbh I have no idea what, but it was used as some sort of evidence in one of the arguments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srdpv9lrJJY
Yeah... god only knows
n/a fatclownbaby 2017-03-09
Jesus Christ all those red piller comments getting upvoted
n/a snallygaster 2017-03-09
It's always nice to wander into the big unmoderated subs every once and a while and remember why people used to post to SRS
n/a SamWhite 2017-03-09
Huh, it's the 1950's again?
n/a DCanon 2017-03-09
JESUS CHRIST JUST STOP