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They do like withholding salaries.

More like protestants, really

Mayos in general really.

Fucking moneygrubbing Dutch.

"Yeah, uh, we are really looking for people that are okay with not getting paid"

Best part here is the dud who thought emails are private.

You don't understand, it was his startup's turn.

I hate LSC and its dumbass tankies but fuck, this is really Modern Day Capitalism at its finest.

Yeah, when a company does spmething stupid, people react like this. It works perfectly

When you compare capitalism to anarcho-socialism , it's very clearly not working at all.

Which place would you rather live in: a capitalist, colonial, ultra-reactionary racist imperialist shithole like canada or a paradise like Rojava?

hmm i hate capitalism but i also hate brown people so what do?

Start goose-stepping, hausscheibe.

Join /k/ and plot the return of Rhodesia

rojava

Not a very good example of "anarchy", provided they suck capitalist imperialist Russian and American dicks daily just to get by and not get crushed by isis.

yeah, that's why comcast collapsed, right?

and EA games

and twitter

I agree that Comcast has a monopoly and the government should do more to fix it, but it's still a very capitalist fix, basically, increase competition. The problem is that the government doesn't enforce anti trust laws enough, but it's not like it's a sign of something deeply broken with capitalism. And you're using EA games as an example of capitalism sucking? Come on.

How is EA games not an example of the structural failures of late capitalism.

I know you're joking but to be clear, a company making stuff you don't like is not an example of the structural failures of late capitalism.

uh, wrong

Nigga did you even play Dragon Age 2?

I did and enjoyed it, not for the same reasons as DA:O, but I don't get the massive sperg-out everyone seems to have over it.

but it's not like it's a sign of something deeply broken with capitalism

The fact that the government needs to have and enforce regulations on the market for things not to go wild and the numerous human/animal rights abuses that were in place in the US prior to regulation (that are still going strong in countries with few or poorly-enforced regulations) is evidence that unchecked capitalism sucks. It's the best system for propelling forward in terms of technological advancements, healthcare, food production, etc. but it needs to be heavily regulated to protect everyone from the consequences of the greed and minimaxing that are inherent to it.

It doesn't help that many companies use the government to pass laws that stifle competition.

For example, in New York City taxis are required to have a medallion in order to operate. At first it makes sense: you should expect a basic level of driving skill from a taxi (bear with me) and a basic check that they aren't murders/rapists. In reality, there is no competition (until Uber), taxis are shit and medallions cost over $1 Million. This lack of competition is enforced by the government and backed by the Taxi Union.

We have the same problem in Toronto with taxi plates. One family basically owns them all and keeps threatening to sue the government if they try and restrict how many plates people can own. Taxi drivers make so little it's not uncommon to call an uber and see a taxi pull up because they'll make more money with uber.

A few years back one owner of a taxi company tried to convince City Hall that if they were to restrict the number of plates out there, prices would drop.

There's also things the government should do because companies would just fuck it up. See American healthcare vs. every other civilized country with universal healthcare.

and the government should do more to fix it

I die a little inside every time somone suggests this a solution to anything

I usually do too but a natural monopoly is like the classic example where there's something to fix and the government is the entity with the power to fix it.

Comcast isn't really a monopoly in the broad sense of the word. They were initially a natural monopoly who franchised with cities. Now it's mostly just barrier to entry that results in their monopoly-lite status.

It's not really straightforward anti-trust enforcement when the barrier to entry is literally digging throughout a city or getting a spot in the limited preexisting infrastructure. Whether by luck or good planning, Comcast will not be leaving our lives anytime soon.

Posts like this was what I used to sub to LSC for, but the talkies ruin it like the Nazis and libertarians ruin ECS.

Apparently they need to coach internally to to not tell prospective employees to go pound salt when they ask about compensation. Because it's really hard to overcome that gut reaction to do so.

I love when stupid companies get called out on social media.

I think their stupidity always makes me angrier than their greed.

Hi there, just wanted to reach out and see what empty platitudes we could offer to make this PR nightmare go away? This is not consistent with our company's values and culture and it's 2017 we in the innovative food-delivery-app space have a responsibility to be leaders and lead by example to show that saying enough nice things, with enough crucial buzzwords, can save a sinking startup. It's about empathy.

did you catch that one about this UK bubble tea shop that would get people to come in and work for free as a "trial" to fill in for people on days off and then laugh at them when they fired them with no pay?

link plz

here you are. They were blocking people on twitter too for asking them about it hah

Even my shit job pays spares for a day's work.

bubble tea

Is that still a thing? I thought/hoped that fad would have died out years ago.

I assume it's sold at the same place as chai lattes.

Can confirm, live right next to a place like that. Their bubble tea is pretty dope though.

If you want to give me a reason to take the dick out of my mouth, your drink should maybe not already have slimy goo in it.

Google "Cooper's Beer Australia Bible Society" they backflipped about 3 time yesterday after massive social media backlash

an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of getting brutalized online.

<insert porn joke here>

1. It's a big No-No to ask about salary pay and benefits before a company agrees to hire you. This is standard practice.

2. Look at her Twitter handle and bio. It looks like she's trying to make a name for herself out of this.

Asking about salary can be a bit faux-pa, I don't think asking about healthcare options is at all though.

Both can get you immediately disqualified. The interviewer's mistake was being vocal about it.

That is incredibly bizarre and definitely not my experience in the tech industry.

lol sure

Enjoy working for free.

Just gonna leave this here ;)

Relevant username.

You just need to coat in a bunch of stupid euphemisms when you ask:

"I'm really excited about the opportunities at <company X>, especially because of the <thing about company X>. Before we move forward, I was just wondering if you could give me some insight into the salary range you had in mind for this position, and what's included in the overall package?"

She's young and probably doesn't understand all that bullshit yet.

Nope. Ask about salary and benefits after they offer you the job. Don't do it before.

Look, I don't know what kind of jobs you apply for, but I'm not going to waste my time interviewing for a job unless I know it pays at least as well as the job I've already got. If they're going to play coy, then they're just dicking both of us over.

This is what recruiters and glassdoor.com is for. What kind of shitty jobs are you applying for? I bet they required applications and drug screenings.

Their recruiters contact me. I'm not going to go trying to play detective on glassdoor.com.

then fuck off. no one cares if you're too lazy.

Oh no, I'll just have to keep my current well-paid job and not work for your Yelp-but-for-douchebags startup!

Can you find the salary range for a menu designer for a shitty startup on glassdoor?

is that making the menu or designing the look of it?

Find it for both.

I'll need a city and state to search in

Winnepeg, Manitoba, which is where this lady was applying for the job.

oh this isn't a job for you? then why am i doing this?

shows true weasel face

Haha 😂

i got trolled

You bitched out

Lol, you contact recruiters? You must be shitty at your job. Recruiters contact me.

K

That's not as impressive as you think it sounds. Bottom of the barrel recruitment agencies scour LinkedIn and other various recruitment services for leads to plug into any old job. Hence why you get hundreds of those 'EXCITING OFFER!!! £19K+benefits' sat in your inbox.

Specialist recruitment agencies require you to initiate the dialogue.

Specialist recruitment agencies require you to initiate the dialogue.

Yup. I get about 4 job offers a month on LinkedIn and it's always shitty recruiting agencies or people trying to get people onboard with their "EXCITING NEW OPPORTUNITY!" just like you said. If you have any sort of specific training or specialized skills you'll always get these people.

Do you know your experience is counter to 99% of the rest of the population?

I don't get where you're coming from. It's certainly a faux pas to discuss it with the manager interviewing you, but there's always an HR person doing a quick phone interview first (and scheduling the panel of in-person interviews) , so that's when you ask. Why on earth would the HR person care about you asking a question beforehand? It's not coming out of their budget, and they don't make the hiring decisions anyway.

It's certainly a faux pas to discuss it with the manager interviewing you

I'll disagree here. I've had interviews where the manager asks how much you're currently making and then tell you what they can offer. Then it's a bit of a back and forth.

Which industries are you talking about here? Most industries people don't apply to jobs if they don't specify the salary, especially in competitive industries such as software development.

It was always super strange to deal with these companies because my last contact with all of them would always be a question about the company that I guess they didn't want to answer. It's weird that they want to hire someone but are too insecure to even tell you what you will be working on. The companies have forgotten how to hire people, not sure how they are going to get by without any employes.

Tech, business, finance. Get a job recruiter.

They get 20 applicants for every job. They can afford to get rid of those applicants who insist on fair compensation.

Twenty applicants for a job is really low.

Most job postings for software companies, even for good software companies, don't specify the offered salary on the posting.

Yeah, no. For a second interview, it's a legitimate question. They've expressed interest by having you back, but going forward can be a waste of everyone's time without having a scope of compensation on the table.

This chick was looking at a job with an hourly rate and her last position was something at a student association. At best she was going to be doing near minimum-wage customer service work or something. Normally shitty jobs for low-skill workers will tell you up front how little you're going to be making.

Depends on the job. Every phone interview I've had (that went well) has ended with a discussion of salary expectations.

The way she phrased it in her email is pretty awkward though.

she's trying to make a name for herself out of this.

It was oferred to her on a silver platter.

Just one of the many reasons people hate HR personnel.

It's a big No-No to ask about salary pay and benefits before a company agrees to hire you. This is standard practice.

Lolwut I've done this for every single job I've ever applied to.

Why would I spend all the effort going through application and interviews only to realize at the very end they have no intention of paying me a fair wage?

If a company is embarrassed about the compensation they give, it's because their compensation is shit.

going through application

I'm talking about jobs where applications aren't a thing.

I don't really get how that changes anything lol

Sorry I assumed you weren't all poor.

Foolish.

my bad

/r/iamverysmart

Are you retarded? During any interview you discuss salary/benefits if it seems to be going well. Not doing this is exactly how you get paid less than your peers.

This is why abolishing slave labor was a bad idea

Asking about salary and benefits is a pretty bad faux pas in the interview process, but frankly most places should and do post some rough outline of benefits and even a vague expected starting salary range on the application page somewhere

Asking about salary and benefits is a pretty bad faux pas in the interview process

why would i waste all my time interviewing and shit if i don't even know what the pay is like?

Because most jobs that aren't menial shit have at least a vague indication of that info posted somewhere.

Its basically so employees can negotiate salaries, which happens after the offer is made. I think its dumb too, but thats how it works usually.

This job is a food delivery driver, not a whale biologist. It likely posts around minimum wage. Minimum wage jobs aren't subject to management interview etiquette.

I mean she was asking about hourly so it's probably not a salary job. She was going after some shitty office assistant job most likely. Your point on salaried positions are definitely true from my experience though. You usually know ahead of time what ballpark the salary will be for the position you are going for and talks about it don't come up till it's offer time.

Even hourly you usually know "$10-13/hr depending on experience" or something like that.

Hey, several of us have big boy jobs. Several!

DAE le STEMperior?

Most real places do post that info somewhere, but not shitty incompetent startups.

Wtf it is not a faux pass and if you think it is you're a shitty boss.

Fucking what dawg?

People get this fucked up notion that you are begging to be picked out of litter for an adoptive home, not an actual negotiation table for your wage and what you can get. You have a skill, and they want it, so "fuck you pay me".

You have a skill, and they want it, so "fuck you pay me".

An applicant with the Twitter handle @feministjourney has an in-demand skill?

The power of internet outrage.

Sucking dick will always be in demand.

You have a skill, and they want it, so "fuck you pay me".

The better way is to wait for them to ask "What is your salary expectation." That way you aren't being the one who has weakened your position by starting to beg for scraps.

First thing you do if it is a group interview is slap the meekest looking bitch of the bunch right in the teeth. Homie don't play that

I don't do group interviews, but there have been legitimate books written about the psychology of getting a good job.

Every single one I have done for my upcoming career, or internship has had at least two people at the interview.

what capitalist shitshow career did you train for

Chemical Engineer

hey my cousin studied that

he works at a defense contractor that builds, i dunno, bombs for NASA or something

Yeh it is pretty standard for two or three people at an interview.

The worst ones are when it is only one person cause that means it is a HR person.

Wait, are you talking about interviewees or interviewers?

People interviewing you

That is not as bad as those interviews where there are multiple applicants at once.

I have never done one, but they seem like horror shows

Did it once. It was fucking retarded and I left before it ended

Oh, OK then. As a programmer, when I was interviewing for my current job there were like five people there, at the decisive face to face interview. Because you gotta bring some people who'd have to work with the new guy and so are interested in evaluating him as the future coworker, makes sense IMO.

It's not even about jobs, in most facets the person who mentions a number is in a weaker position.

Yep, buying a car, house, ect. It's the same concept.

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... Are you kidding? It's not a faux pas at all. If anything it should be expected - if I'm looking for six figures, I don't want to interview with a company who only wants to pay $35k a year. It's a waste of both our time.

Very much depends on the interview. Generally speaking the details of salary conversation occur when offered the job, but it's not uncommon for a company to at least broadly outline their benefits during the interview process, for me at least.

Not true. I hire high level tech employees and it's an incredibly common question. Then we ask "Do you have any further questions" for us, we expect them to ask about compensation. You'd be silly not to

Every job ad I've ever seen has a starting salary listed. Is this a regional thing?

You shouldn't be downvoted, because that's true.

It's not customary to ask about salary or benefits early in the interview process when interviewing with tech companies, and especially not with startups.

In fact, it's not even customary to ask later in the process. The employer is the one that brings it up.

Of course this can look bad when taken out of context. But the context is this:

• Jobs in tech have high salaries and great benefits. Asking there will be benefits is odd.
• And that is because there is a shortage of tech workers. So they get good offers presented to them.
• Offers depend heavily on details of the interview process - these aren't McDonald's jobs with a fixed salary. You can negotiate a higher or lower salary.
• Some startups give more equity than salary, if they aren't funded yet. This is worth finding out early, if you do need a full tech salary and are not interested in such companies. You can find that out from their job descriptions, usually. You can also just ask - sort of like she did. That sends the signal you are looking for a regular salary and are not flexible, so if they can't do that, they'll stop the process there - sort of like they did. Although, they should have been more polite.

(All that is assuming she was interviewing for a full-time job at the startup. If she was just looking for a part time or contractor position - say, as a driver, they seem to be a delivery service - then of course all the above is irrelevant, and salary and benefits should be talked about immediately.)

Yeah, they seem to be a delivery service. What sort of tech jobs would they be hiring for?

Building the software for a delivery service can take a lot of tech: the app, the website, the backend, etc. Think about how Uber is just a car ride company, but has a huge number of engineers writing the software that powers it all.

Think about how Uber is just a car ride company, but has a huge number of engineers writing the software that powers it all.

That's because Uber is retarded and they think they can use their billions of Saudi funbucks to magic up some self-driving cars and stop paying drivers.

Isn't Uber on the brink of collapse?

I'm convinced that we're going to see a financial crisis when people finally realize that investing billions of dollars into apps that are free and have no way to monetize enough to pay back that investment. So much money was given to companies that have no way they could ever pay it back.

Uber is a logistics company that thinks it's a tech company.

Uber is a cab company.

And food delivery.

Why on earth would you attempt to think about interviewing someone named "feministjourney" for a job?

They probably didn't know her twitter handle ahead of time.

That is a good goddamned question.

Side note, but has anyone else noticed how almost every startup commercial has the same feel to it?

They all hired the same startup company to do their marketing.

That motherfucking ukulele.

nice drama. i dont know if I like random people dogpiling them on twitter. what they did was stupid. but making randos feel good about themselves for nothing? hmph.

I just hope they pay the womyn as much as the myn.

Fun fact: the word "woman" doesn't come from the word "man". They have separate origins and it's a coincidence that they sound similar in English. In French it's "femme" and "homme".

Please elaborate.

"really believe in the mission" and you're "excited to change the world."

I think what you meant to say is "really believe this company can generate enough users so it can be sold and retired."

Start up culture is all about generating a user base and selling. That's it, no one gives a shit about the product or creating something worthwhile because nine times out of ten your product will be discontinued once your company is sold. It's all about selling your company as fast as possible for those big tech bucks.

Why would it be bought then discontinued?

avoiding competition

that and talent acquisition.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/11765609/Start-up-culture-is-corrupting-our-youth-and-killing-real-entrepreneurship.html

http://techland.time.com/2012/07/20/why-google-or-facebook-buying-your-favorite-startup-means-its-probably-toast/

Go read and enjoy

I guess that does make sense. I was wondering how someone would ever think they'd have a chance as the 20th food delivery app on the market. These guys are so small time they'll probably just be waited out tho

This "company" could be run by a guy with a car and a cellphone.

Lol it sold for 110 mil last year

I honestly cannot believe that these food delivery companies exist. My sister ordered a vegetarian wrap which cost $4.99, the delivery charges were $5.50. IMO if you don't want to go out to get your food, fucking starve.

Yeah. Would only make sense with a large order if the delivery cost is fixed.

in the startup world, where you are supposed to work for "equity"

Well, yes. That is how it works when the people you are working for don't have any money.

Women were a mistakey.

Womyn shitlord