An oversimplified explanation of how this (and similar) situations are oversimplified is: too much effort into judging "good" and "bad" and assigning blame, too little effort looking at understanding motives and the environment everyone was living in.
Watch as a bunch of Brit imperialists try and explain why it was okay for their soldiers to gun down civil rights marchers but then express outrage when the people the subjugated and killed started shooting back.
No. But are you surprised that after seeing a neighbour beaten to death by the RUC for attending a civil rights protest, after being denied the right to vote, after facing institutional discrimination, after seeing the RUC aid unionist gangs in ethnically cleansing nationalist enclaves and participating in numerous assaults on civil rights demonstrators and after seeing peaceful protesters gunned down by the British Army – that many thousands of young men took up arms to fight the British Army?
But of course, you give us all the "he was a turrorist, he just started shooting ppl for no reason, hurr durr" attitude.
Plenty of religious and racial attacks by republicans fam. You can't justify it, nor can you justify bombing civilians. Again, I would say the same whenever the unionist side does it. Even I'm not autistic enough to think in black and white the way you do.
Revolutionary Commie
"grow up"
wew
You'll grow out of bullshit ideologies one day :^)
Plenty of religious and racial attacks by republicans fam
Absolute bullshit. Republicans have always been left-wing socialists. Plenty of Protestant IRA Volunteers. This idea that both sides were as bad as each other is bullshit, the unionists armed murder gangs – which were supported by the British military – were motivated by religious intolerance and supremacism. Their attacks were solely targeted against Catholics of all hues.
The vast bulk of those killed by the IRA were British military and RUC. Civilians were killed, but it's very rare they were intentionally targeted. To borrow a phrase from Governments, they were "collateral damage".
I don't think black and white, but I actually grew up during the conflict. And you clearly know fucking nothing.
Never has been. The same way India has never been British.
Also, did you miss the recent elections? The right wing lunatics and religious nutjobs that make up the pro-British unionist side lost their majority for the first time ever.
What do you think about the assassination of Mountbatten then?
For those who don't know: An IRA member, Thomas McMahon placed a bomb on the boat of the Mountbatten family, Mountbatten (then 79) had his legs were blown off and died before he was pulled to shore. Also killed were his 15 year old grandson and a local teenage boy. Thomas McMahon now works with Sinn Fein, he's refused to apologise and meet with the families of his victims.
I give it five years. Once Scotland kicks up enough fuss about indyref2 and Brexit starts to bite, you'll probably see a bigger push for a unified Ireland.
The terrorism is what means they can have an independence referendum whenever they feel like it, since it was part of the Good Friday Agreement. Scotland has to wait until the British parliament agrees to let them have another referendum, or else their referendum won't count.
But they have been offered a referendum in the past. Scotland has been offered referenda periodically so long as the desire for Scottish independence has been significant.
It's more that there's calls in Scotland for an indyref II right now because Brexit has shifted the political atmosphere sufficiently and Theresa May's said no, you have to wait. Whereas NI can basically have a referendum whenever it chooses.
The vast bulk of those killed by the IRA were British military and RUC. Civilians were killed, but it's very rare they were intentionally targeted. To borrow a phrase from Governments, they were "collateral damage"
Then why did the Irish militants hijack a bus full of Protestant workers and butcher them?
A 2011 report by the Historical Enquiries Team (HET) found that members of the Provisional IRA carried out the attack, despite the organisation being on ceasefire.
No. But are you surprised that after seeing a neighbour beaten to death by the RUC for attending a civil rights protest, after being denied the right to vote, after facing institutional discrimination, after seeing the RUC aid unionist gangs in ethnically cleansing nationalist enclaves and participating in numerous assaults on civil rights demonstrators and after seeing peaceful protesters gunned down by the British Army – that many thousands of young men took up arms to fight the British Army?
Which they didn't do. They blew up British kids instead.
Grow the fuck up you moron. He was perhaps the most widely respected politician in the north of Ireland.
Which they didn't do. They blew up British kids instead.
The overwhelming majority of those killed by IRA were British troops and RUC colonial militia. The vast bulk of those killed by British Army were civilians.
I'm not gonna take their side on this but it is definitely predictable that the Irish Republicans would take up arms at some point, and it was incredibly stupid of the British to let that point arrive.
Nth generation Americans who try to cling to some "old country" pride are the fucking worst. Oh you make great spaghetti and meatballs because you're a 4th generation Italian? Ffs any asshole can make a good meatball. Make me some fucking Feggato alla Veneziana you shit tier guido.
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n/a SnapshillBot 2017-03-21
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n/a aonome 2017-03-21
I had to - this is an autism-friendly subreddit
n/a OldOrder 2017-03-21
Tru
n/a o11c 2017-03-21
An oversimplified explanation of how this (and similar) situations are oversimplified is: too much effort into judging "good" and "bad" and assigning blame, too little effort looking at understanding motives and the environment everyone was living in.
n/a Pornthrow1697 2017-03-21
Well duh, only sandniggers can be terrorists!
n/a 80BAIT08 2017-03-21
This is why the Irish should be slaves again.
n/a BrotherToaster 2017-03-21
Just withhold their potatoes and they'll do anything.
n/a niggerpenis 2017-03-21
WTF is wrong with you? Potatoes are all they know how to cultivate. I hope you realize that you're advocating genocide.
n/a ComedicSans 2017-03-21
Since the Irish are white now - good.
n/a phoenixbasileus 2017-03-21
Irish aren't people, you can't commit genocide against non persons smh
n/a ATissu 2017-03-21
n/a freet0 2017-03-21
Thank you. We must never stop demanding reparations for the grave injustice committed by the US government when it took my ancestors slaves away.
n/a RevolutionaryCommie 2017-03-21
Former freedom fighter and patriot dies.
Watch as a bunch of Brit imperialists try and explain why it was okay for their soldiers to gun down civil rights marchers but then express outrage when the people the subjugated and killed started shooting back.
n/a aonome 2017-03-21
It wasn't. Soldiers and commanders involved in terrorism on the union side should be punished. Does it surprise you that I think that?
n/a RevolutionaryCommie 2017-03-21
No. But are you surprised that after seeing a neighbour beaten to death by the RUC for attending a civil rights protest, after being denied the right to vote, after facing institutional discrimination, after seeing the RUC aid unionist gangs in ethnically cleansing nationalist enclaves and participating in numerous assaults on civil rights demonstrators and after seeing peaceful protesters gunned down by the British Army – that many thousands of young men took up arms to fight the British Army?
But of course, you give us all the "he was a turrorist, he just started shooting ppl for no reason, hurr durr" attitude.
Grow the fuck up you moron.
n/a aonome 2017-03-21
Plenty of religious and racial attacks by republicans fam. You can't justify it, nor can you justify bombing civilians. Again, I would say the same whenever the unionist side does it. Even I'm not autistic enough to think in black and white the way you do.
wew
You'll grow out of bullshit ideologies one day :^)
n/a RevolutionaryCommie 2017-03-21
Absolute bullshit. Republicans have always been left-wing socialists. Plenty of Protestant IRA Volunteers. This idea that both sides were as bad as each other is bullshit, the unionists armed murder gangs – which were supported by the British military – were motivated by religious intolerance and supremacism. Their attacks were solely targeted against Catholics of all hues.
The vast bulk of those killed by the IRA were British military and RUC. Civilians were killed, but it's very rare they were intentionally targeted. To borrow a phrase from Governments, they were "collateral damage".
I don't think black and white, but I actually grew up during the conflict. And you clearly know fucking nothing.
n/a aonome 2017-03-21
Northern Ireland is British and there's nothing you or the violent thugs that you support can do about it
n/a Yogi_adityanath 2017-03-21
gold worthy response
n/a RevolutionaryCommie 2017-03-21
Never has been. The same way India has never been British.
Also, did you miss the recent elections? The right wing lunatics and religious nutjobs that make up the pro-British unionist side lost their majority for the first time ever.
n/a aonome 2017-03-21
This is the queen mocking him for failing to kill her years after the IRA were finally cucked, I thought you might like to see it
n/a RevolutionaryCommie 2017-03-21
Eh no. That is her making a light-hearted joke.
Probably in reference to the fact that the IRA assassinated other members of the British Royal Family – namely Lord Mountbatten.
n/a Tillotson 2017-03-21
What do you think about the assassination of Mountbatten then?
For those who don't know: An IRA member, Thomas McMahon placed a bomb on the boat of the Mountbatten family, Mountbatten (then 79) had his legs were blown off and died before he was pulled to shore. Also killed were his 15 year old grandson and a local teenage boy. Thomas McMahon now works with Sinn Fein, he's refused to apologise and meet with the families of his victims.
All for the struggle, right?
n/a Time_to_Drink 2017-03-21
LMAO
n/a MRB2012 2017-03-21
The majority of Northern Ireland is British and wishes to remain in the Union.
n/a SplurgyA 2017-03-21
I give it five years. Once Scotland kicks up enough fuss about indyref2 and Brexit starts to bite, you'll probably see a bigger push for a unified Ireland.
n/a aonome 2017-03-21
Maybe. If that's the case then it will be democratic at least rather than by terrorism.
n/a SplurgyA 2017-03-21
The terrorism is what means they can have an independence referendum whenever they feel like it, since it was part of the Good Friday Agreement. Scotland has to wait until the British parliament agrees to let them have another referendum, or else their referendum won't count.
n/a aonome 2017-03-21
But they have been offered a referendum in the past. Scotland has been offered referenda periodically so long as the desire for Scottish independence has been significant.
n/a SplurgyA 2017-03-21
It's more that there's calls in Scotland for an indyref II right now because Brexit has shifted the political atmosphere sufficiently and Theresa May's said no, you have to wait. Whereas NI can basically have a referendum whenever it chooses.
n/a MargarineIsEvil 2017-03-21
Watch his head explode when he learns the provos left the original IRA because they became too Marxist.
n/a SamWhite 2017-03-21
Fuckin looooooool
n/a aonome 2017-03-21
Irish republicanism does have strong ties to socialism tbf
n/a SamWhite 2017-03-21
Anyone taking claims of socialism from a primarily nationalist/religiously defined movement at face value was born yesterday.
n/a aonome 2017-03-21
I mean like most socialists they're incredibly inconsistent so it makes sense
n/a MRB2012 2017-03-21
Then why did the Irish militants hijack a bus full of Protestant workers and butcher them?
n/a RevolutionaryCommie 2017-03-21
Some group called the SARAF carried that out.
Nothing to do with the mainstream IRA.
n/a MRB2012 2017-03-21
Learn to read kiddo.
Provo men with provo guns.
n/a RevolutionaryCommie 2017-03-21
The British HET found that members carried it out.
Not the same as the organisation itself sanctioning it. The IRA condemned it at the time.
n/a MRB2012 2017-03-21
IRA men with IRA guns who were subject to zero punishment from the IRA afterwords.
And the British Army condemned the UDA. So what?
n/a ComedicSans 2017-03-21
Everybody is us!
... Except those guys, they aren't us.
Fucking lol.
n/a Thhueros 2017-03-21
Really makes u think
n/a RevolutionaryCommie 2017-03-21
Only if you're a fucking retard who doesn't understand politics.
n/a aonome 2017-03-21
Like commies
n/a Thhueros 2017-03-21
watch ur ableism
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-21
It isn't Nazism when we do it, duh.
n/a MRB2012 2017-03-21
Which they didn't do. They blew up British kids instead.
Followed closely by Ian Paisely no doubt.
n/a RevolutionaryCommie 2017-03-21
The overwhelming majority of those killed by IRA were British troops and RUC colonial militia. The vast bulk of those killed by British Army were civilians.
n/a MRB2012 2017-03-21
That doesn't make it OK to butcher working class protestants.
Source?
n/a Prince_Kropotkin 2017-03-21
I'm not gonna take their side on this but it is definitely predictable that the Irish Republicans would take up arms at some point, and it was incredibly stupid of the British to let that point arrive.
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-21
Agreed. The British Isles should be unified under one great ruler, but the Brits were too squeamish to commit to full gingercide.
n/a Nomadlads 2017-03-21
Preferably a blonde one with large hands.
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-21
Preferably the God-Emperor of Mankind
n/a SkelosRadlands 2017-03-21
Enjoying university?
n/a RevolutionaryCommie 2017-03-21
Left university two decades ago.
n/a SkelosRadlands 2017-03-21
That doesn't make you look any less hilarious, m8
n/a Ardvarkeating101 2017-03-21
It's okay sometimes we fail sometimes, the important things it to learn something from it
n/a OldOrder 2017-03-21
Kinda depressing you don't know better than.
n/a PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-03-21
can't leave university if you never joined you underage b&
n/a SamWhite 2017-03-21
This but unironically
n/a PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-03-21
Don't worry Ireland will reunify and join the EU
n/a LovelyLeahMarried 2017-03-21
How many British imperialists do you even know?
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-21
n/a Ennui2778 2017-03-21
Wew lad.
n/a Alexlincoln2 2017-03-21
Most Irish Americans are actually majority irish, the degenerates mate with their own kind
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-21
Who else would?
n/a jPaolo 2017-03-21
Anglos are a mistake.
n/a glmox 2017-03-21
>not being pro-terrorist in current year
n/a niggerpenis 2017-03-21
الحَمْد لله
n/a ComradePotato 2017-03-21
When it's mayo vs mayo, everyone's a winner.
n/a pepperouchau 2017-03-21
>Irish
>white
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-21
Hey man, maggots are white.
n/a [deleted] 2017-03-21
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n/a imengun 2017-03-21
dude oppress people for centuries then get mad when they fight back lmao
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-21
Well, yeah. If I wanted them to do anything except stop existing, I wouldn't have fucking oppressed them, would I.
n/a Tactical_Wolf 2017-03-21
IRA status: upped
n/a serialflamingo 2017-03-21
That's not what that phrase means.
n/a Hellkyte 2017-03-21
Nth generation Americans who try to cling to some "old country" pride are the fucking worst. Oh you make great spaghetti and meatballs because you're a 4th generation Italian? Ffs any asshole can make a good meatball. Make me some fucking Feggato alla Veneziana you shit tier guido.
n/a JoeFalchetto 2017-03-21
Fegato and trippa, by the way.
n/a freet0 2017-03-21
Yeah I bet you know all about great feggatos
n/a Hellkyte 2017-03-21
Only had it once, at Bucca del'Orafo in Florence. One of the best sauces I've ever had in my life.
n/a ANUSBLASTER_MKII 2017-03-21
That's nice, what was his name?
n/a Hellkyte 2017-03-21
Why the fuck would I give a shit about his name? I paid for his services not his life story.
n/a WalkerOfTheWastes 2017-03-21
wish they'd killed more brits tbh
n/a Itstheusual 2017-03-21
Edgy.
n/a WalkerOfTheWastes 2017-03-21
You do know what subreddit you're in right
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-21
n/a respaaaaaj 2017-03-21
Nice tonight I'm drinking Irish Carbombs
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-21
Nationalism is Hitler
except for if it is Ireland or Tibet or Scotland or
n/a birdboy2000 2017-03-21
Not wanting to destroy the British Empire is un-American.
n/a BurgerLaowai 2017-03-21
1/4 Irish here. Fuck the IRA.
n/a bleasehalb 2017-03-21
ITT: The eternal anglo
n/a YourGayOpinion 2017-03-21
Imperialism is how you go from a shitty little toursit trap to a real nation.