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I think not having a single white man win is moderately suspect, considering that white people are something like 80% of the US population and men are about half that. That, and how much drama there was about this before. You'd think they'd at least throw ONE guy a bone and not make the gate keeping so obvious.

Or maybe sad puppies had a point about the Hugo political cliques.

Idk I have not read any of the nominees this year for novel. That said most news story are champion its diversity and not how good the writing is.

Also Ghostbusters was nominated for best dramatic presentation

Fuck off you virtue sihnaling loser.

The question would seem to be: Was there some critically or commercially successful SF novel written by a vanillamayodude that ought to have been on the list, but isn't?

Peter F. Hamilton's latest book? James S.A. Corey's latest?

I'll be honest, the SJWification of Sci-Fi has driven me away from reading it in the past few years. I stick mostly to horror these days.

I'm pretty sure China Mieville is white

White men make up about a third of the country, so the math is pretty easy, especially since we're just going to assume the demographics of authors is the same as the general public because I'm not a FUCKING SCIENTIST

The odds of a random selection of books not containing a single white male are 2/3^n, where n is the number of books. I think. There are 6 nominees here. That means the odds of this happening organically are about 8%. Not impossible, but when combined with the fact that people have complained about the hugos being a bunch of social justice horseshit, I'd say the real odds are around zero.

There's what, like 50 years of the Hugo awards?

Since I can safely assume there has always been white male included in previous nominations (since otherwise there would have been similar drama, due to the law of forced diversity outrage, also I skimmed a few pictures), we can calculate the chance of there always being a white male in six nominees for 50 years at (92%)^50. That means the odds of that happening organically is about 1.5%. Not impossible, but when you factor in the patriarchy it's practically zero.

I can only conclude that the SJW takeover is completely justified to combat the history of affirmative action of white cis men.

That's the hilarious thing abut it.

These puppy people seemed crazy when they started. But the response of the Hugos has basically proven them entirely and completely correct.

Book nerds are the worst of all nerds and /r/books exemplifies that. No other nerd huffs their own farts more than a book nerd.

The mere fact that /r/books is dominated by fiction is enough to recognize it as trash sub.

The more mainstream a nerdy thing is, the worse the community. Its why \V/ is literally toxic, and all the default subs are garbage.

literally

What subs are not garbage?

/r/PinkVomitMonster

/r/the_donald

/r/Drama

everyone here is retarded but in a lovable way like forrest gump

/r/thegrittypast is good if you like history

/r/dragonsfuckingcars

I wish the book nerds would appreciate how their fetish is destroying the environment.

Trees are infinitely more important than some fatty NEETs paper fetish.

I know we like to jerk it around here but not only is the paper industry sustainable it's actually good for the environment.

EBooks bitch

Fuck you ebooks are trash Fuck trees if they were so great they'd learn to defend themselves

The Hugo awards are an interesting case, since it is basically only open to book nerds who read science fiction and/or fantasy and go to Worldcon (or buy some sort of supporting member pass which lets them vote).

The Worldcon with the highest attendance was in 1984 in Los Angeles with an estimated 8,365 attendees. Compare this to Dragon*Con or any of the major Comic Cons.

The awards have been a great source of drama over the past 4 or 5 years, but it looks like the "sad puppies" camp may have decided the Dragon Awards are more fun and left the Hugos to the gatekeepers there, especially after Worldcon literally changed how the nomination and voting process works as a result of prior campaigns.

The Hugo awards are an interesting case, since it is basically only open to book nerds who read science fiction and/or fantasy and go to Worldcon (or buy some sort of supporting member pass which lets them vote).

And yet they are considered the "pinnacle" of achievement for sci-fi, despite the fact that I only recognize one book on the novel list, and I only recognize that one because I read the first book in the series that it's a part of.

Previous years I've at least recognized most of the entries, even if I didn't care to read them. This year I feel like they picked the most esoteric and obscure works possible. Probably because they were trying to avoid works by white men, who are still responsible for the majority of good, popular Sci-Fi.

They're the self-proclaimed pinnacle of SF/F achievement, mostly standing on the foundation of their prestigious past winners (Heinlein, Vonnegut, Clarke, Le Guin, et al.) while the house is crumbling around them.

I followed a lot of the Hugo drama, especially after the media started writing hit pieces, and I'm wondering if they didn't actually prove Larry Correia's original point: they're nominating and awarding authors they like and agree with, instead of nominating works that are excellent.

However, it could be that the rather limited number of Hugo voters just happens to skew towards liking stuff like John Scalzi's Redshirts, which I've never read but seems like it'd be fairly derivative and formulaic.

I think if Heinlein was nominated today, they'd rank him under No Award. I'm sure Orson Scott Card would never be nominated again, thanks to his Wrong Opinions.

I think the real fan award now is the Dragon Award, since absolutely anyone who cares enough to vote can do so without paying a cent.

I think if Heinlein was nominated today, they'd rank him under No Award. I'm sure Orson Scott Card would never be nominated again, thanks to his Wrong Opinions.

I'm kind of surprised that they haven't removed them from the list of past winners, to be honest. It seems like something they would do.

John Scalzi's Redshirts, which I've never read but seems like it'd be fairly derivative and formulaic.

If there was ever a word to describe Scalzi it's derivative and formulaic. I mean, he became "famous" for Old Man's War, which is essentially a retelling of Forever War.

fiction is good though

Why are you surprised a 12 million user default subreddit is jerking entry-level enthusiast shit as opposed to obscure works of Pushkin and Joyce.

Dhdjjx

joyce

obscure

Kys

Obscure works of Joyce. When's the last time you've read The Cats of Copenhagen?

last week

You should bring it up on /r/DramaBookClub

tomorrow

They're all normie-tier readers. Every day there's some loser raving about The Great Gatsby or Slaughterhouse Five.

People tend to read for fun. So they read fun things, and not 'good' elite shit that isn't actually entertaining unless you're a post modernist, or some other form of pretentious douchebag.

The mere fact that /r/books is dominated by fiction is enough to recognize it as trash sub.

Im confused, what else would a book sub be dominated by? Its kind of like complaining a movie sub is dominated by fictional movies instead of documentaries.

Commie literature obviously

I could but I would technically be slightly underweight.

real books, like Wittgenstein's ridiculous tractatus.

That's not really a book, it's more a set of statements and a thinly veiled call for autism acceptance.

So the /r/drama manifesto?

Yes, although Wittgenstein was more intelligent than the average /r/drama poster.

Not as laid back, tho

Don't forget his multi-decade feud against (((set theory))) of all things.

It's wrong, IT'S FUCKING WRONG

book nerds do not post in /r/books

Any non-fiction recs, famalam?

As a fellow Top Secret fan, I have to say that I love your username, OP.

He's just a little horse

Souvenirs, Novelties, Party Tricks.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/sep/08/white-poet-chinese-pen-name-best-american-poetry-2015

Last years winner gets nominated again while no white males do, zomg mayocide in action

Yeah, The Fifth Season won Best Novel.

u/TheFightFan you are great and correct and also probably tall and make a lot of money.

I am a legend in my own mind.

well-hung, too

With only the most high quality rope.

Five-or-so years ago and prior, I used to examine the list of Hugo award winners and maybe seek some out.

Nowadays I don't.

So i always thought the Hugo Awards were super prestigious but it turns you can literally pay to vote. After that I kind of tuned out from the Hugo Awards.

Hey u/stizzed, please Keep Your Sanity

Hey, I'm in that thread.

if that's the case then it's a good indicator that you should kill yourself

Rude tbh.

if telling the truth is wrong I don't want to be right

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Linked person purged their account (not just deleted).

They couldn't take the shame.

gotta have the token tranny