The famine likely killed 1.8 million to 3.5 million people, which is terrible but nowhere near the double digit stuff you need for this to be a planned genocide.
Obviously that means that the Turks are right and the Armenian genocide wasn't really a genocide since it wasn't in the double digits. I don't think there are even a double digit number of Americans. So even if the Turks killed every last one it still wouldn't have been a genocide.
If only hitler just focused on exterminating the Jews. 6 million dead wouldn't be a genocide and he would be fondly remembered for resisting the capitalist imperialist global order.
it's threads like that on there that fill my heart with joy that communism is a dead ideology only cared for by corrupt leaders, failed states, and skinny edgy losers who will never see their daydreams of starving to death come true
it's threads like that one there that fill my heart with joy that communism is a dead ideology only cared for by corrupt leaders, failed states, and skinny edgy losers who will never see their daydreams of starving to death come true
Poor tankies, trying to figure out who is supported by the US Imperialism and then supporting their enemies leads to literal short circuits in their poor little brains.
we chose the Syrian self rule over US imperialism
And Assad is, like, Syrian self rule in action.
I root for the US to get the fuck out.
Their money and influence is what is funding ISIS and causing all of this.
Wait a second /u/l337kid, but ISIS fights against the Western Imperialism actually, committing many terrorist acts against the USA and its lackeys, why are you against ISIS comrade?
So we don't support Rojava? Because it's supported by the US coalition.
The US needs ISIS as a reason to still have a presence in the area. Let me know when ISIS attacks Israel and then we can talk about them being anti-western imperialism.
You can be a pawn and not know it. In fact that would be the most effective way of controlling pawns - by making them think what they're doing is righteous and their leaders have no ulterior motive. All religious extremists are lead by people that don't give a shit about that religion but put up a good act so they can control the idiots below them.
by making them think what they're doing is righteous and their leaders have no ulterior motive
Have you considered the possibility that their leaders have no ulterior motive? Like, at least not "I'm actually ordering the suicide attacks on the Twin Towers to strengthen the US" sort of motives?
Can I run a quick test on you please? Imagine a girl, Annie, putting her favorite doll under her pillow and then going to school. Then her mother tidies up the room and moves the doll to the cupboard. When Annie returns from school, where would she look for her doll, in the cupboard or under her pillow, how do you think? Answer honestly, please.
Have you considered the possibility that their leaders have no ulterior motive?
Yes I have which is why I didn't say ALL religious leaders. Helps to learn how to read English.
Wait a second here.
Are you saying that "most religious extremist leaders" are in fact led by true believers, but you claimed the opposite because then you could say that not ALL of them are, and that would convince a literally retarded person who is not good with the difference between "most" and "not all"?
That's offensive, you know. That you think that I'm that retard that'd buy your retarded bullshit.
I give you a 1/10 for trolling. Try harder next time bud. Or maybe you're not trolling and just love using strawmen in which case maybe you shouldn't try debating quite yet kiddo.
Whoa, accuse me of using a logical fallacy then commit the blatant ad hominem of calling me dumb, thereby losing the argument. I think we're done here.
Also FC being a circlejerk sub we exagerate our desire of Syrians ruling themselves into an undying support for Assad even though we consider him problematic.
Moscow was likely unaware of the severity of the situation in Ukraine
How can you miss tens of millions of people starving to death? Like what short circuited in your brain to think that that is a justification, /u/Sonols?
You can tell me where you got the number 10.000.000 deaths from hunger in Ukraine in 1933 first. Here is a wikipedia article to get your research going, it has both the high spectrum numbers and the low ones, so you can pick and choose, and still not come close.
I used common sense. Not every single person who suffers in a famine dies, so it's not that hard to reach the assumption that for every person who actually died from Stalin's forced famine, there were 2-4 people who survived the hellish conditions. Given your articles more "reasonable" estimates of 2.5-5 million people, simple math tells us that the famine would have quickly affected tens of millions of people. Whether or not the forced starvation actually killed them doesn't change the moral algebra of "Was it an okay thing to not give entire countries food?" much.
You Holodomor denies really sound like Holocaust denies, with your fixation on a particular number as if only killing millions instead of tens of millions means your totalitarian dictator of choice was an okay guy, or your weird assertion that it's okay to torture human beings for years on end as long as they don't die in the end. Not to go all horseshoe on you but it's not a good look.
Can someone explain this meme where commies will defend and support right-wing nationalist dictators as long as they're brown and anti-American?
In Assad's case, how can they justify to themselves supporting a guy that's constantly praised by far-right leaders in the west (David Duke, Nick Griffin, etc), a guy that's been been recruiting and arming foreign neo-nazi volunteers that have fought for him against ISIS and socialist Kurds, that he's fighting against and is the main adversary of actual socialist and communist groups in Syria, that leads the "Social Nationalist Party" (really makes you think).
I'd go there and try ask them but I'd just get banned, I just literally cannot understand the thought process they are going through to think Assad is on their side.
They are hateful people. If you look at their posts its not just about supporting them. They are resentful because they want to feel victimised and so they demonise their own society far more than brutal dictators. They feel hatred. They are a hate group.
They even appropriate the word "hate" to mean the actions of people that disagree with them whether or not those people feel hate. They have genuine mental health issues.
They are resentful because they want to feel victimised
Bingo bango: the older ones feel as if they've been held back by "The System", that it's to blame for their shortcomings. The younger ones are just preemptively making excuses in preparation for that.
I think a lot of people who define themselves as anti-imperialists are generally dumbfucks and borderline fascists themselves - fascism in the arab world doesn't magically become a national liberation struggle just because the US opposes it.
However, the rebellion against Assad at this point in the war consists mostly of al-Qaeda and its ideological fellow travelers, and Assad probably is the lesser evil in that context. Between the rebels' sectarian atrocities and America's blatant regime change agenda I understand how people would draw the obvious conclusions. Besides, Assad at least calls himself a socialist.
For some people it's as simple as "if the US is for it, I'm against it" and given the history of US foreign policy it's an understandable choice, even if the people backing Assad over Rojava for that reason are out of their fucking minds. (Yeah, Rojava takes US aid during an existential struggle against Daesh - but so did the USSR!)
/u/l337kid why are you talking about Assad as if there isnt a giant nasty Syrian civil war over his rule? He is not the leader of a "self-determined" Syrian populace, there is literally a huge nasty civil war RIGHT NOW.
P.s. in case you were unaware, "civil war" means war within a state, not from outside powers.
You: Bashar is a murderous dictator executing a campaign of mass repression against his opponents
Me, an intellectual: His opponents were armed with knives and within 21 feet. It was a legitimate shooting. The videos you've seen in the mainstream media were edited and don't show all the facts
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n/a MyrLeaf 2017-04-11
Such lengths to get to the conclusion : "fuck it i'm out, i'm a Citizen of The World" lalalalalala can't hear you
n/a Allanon_2020 2017-04-11
I have seen them write rhetoric very similar to /pol/'s "Six Garillion" meme
n/a Medibee 2017-04-11
Obviously that means that the Turks are right and the Armenian genocide wasn't really a genocide since it wasn't in the double digits. I don't think there are even a double digit number of Americans. So even if the Turks killed every last one it still wouldn't have been a genocide.
n/a glmox 2017-04-11
agreed friendo
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-04-11
American numbers are all single digit because Americans have huuuge digits, the largest!
n/a FreeIceCreen 2017-04-11
The Rwandans didn't even break a million. Sad!
n/a Medibee 2017-04-11
If only hitler just focused on exterminating the Jews. 6 million dead wouldn't be a genocide and he would be fondly remembered for resisting the capitalist imperialist global order.
n/a fernsauce 2017-04-11
a million is actually seven digits, for the record. but i guess at least it wasn't eight digits, then it would be real bad
n/a xX69_0n3_ha1f_cup_Xx 2017-04-11
Does that mean the holocaust wasn't a planned genocide? Hitler dinndu nuffin.
n/a ImNotPayingFullPrice 2017-04-11
tfw it's more important to be against the society that you're from than it is to be against a brutal civil war
n/a PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-04-11
/u/Jawado116
Kill yourself tankie shitfuck. I hope your family gets gassed one day.
n/a Hipnog 2017-04-11
eat my ass, fascist insect
n/a ImNotPayingFullPrice 2017-04-11
"If you're not a communist, you're a fascist."
n/a Eternal_Mr_Bones 2017-04-11
What if I want to distribute the wealth but only after killing all poor people and minorities?
n/a Awayfone 2017-04-11
If you kill all poor people wouldn't most of the 1% automatically become part of the 99%?
n/a PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-04-11
Yeah I'm actually a communist, so that's not going to work.
n/a ImNotPayingFullPrice 2017-04-11
You ruined my joke quote.
n/a PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-04-11
I'm sorry. :(
n/a aonome 2017-04-11
n/a AreYouFuckingHappy 2017-04-11
👌
n/a JasonJewnova 2017-04-11
n/a EllenPaosFrontButt 2017-04-11
dank ni🅱️🅱️a
n/a jubbergun 2017-04-11
That is amazing.
Are you a wizard?
n/a DistortedLines 2017-04-11
Hitler was right, communism was a mistake
n/a AGayOpinion 2017-04-11
#KeepEugenicsSafe&Legal
n/a Nomadlads 2017-04-11
And mandatory
n/a 39flws 2017-04-11
n/a sombresobriquet 2017-04-11
Apart from the torture, mass murder and chemical warfare, everything was fine and dandy!
n/a Jukk 2017-04-11
Sounds like a dystopian paradise!
n/a FreeDory 2017-04-11
Just another day in Soviet Russia.
n/a Medibee 2017-04-11
I may have committed some light ethnic cleansing.
n/a Awayfone 2017-04-11
studio laugh track
n/a TheGreatWolfRuss 2017-04-11
it's threads like that on there that fill my heart with joy that communism is a dead ideology only cared for by corrupt leaders, failed states, and skinny edgy losers who will never see their daydreams of starving to death come true
n/a TheGreatWolfRuss 2017-04-11
it's threads like that one there that fill my heart with joy that communism is a dead ideology only cared for by corrupt leaders, failed states, and skinny edgy losers who will never see their daydreams of starving to death come true
n/a ur_mom_IoI 2017-04-11
obama isnt a commie though?
n/a AGayOpinion 2017-04-11
He's more of an Islammie
n/a Medibee 2017-04-11
Muzzie is the proper term.
n/a AGayOpinion 2017-04-11
That doesn't rhyme with commie.
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-04-11
Poor tankies, trying to figure out who is supported by the US Imperialism and then supporting their enemies leads to literal short circuits in their poor little brains.
And Assad is, like, Syrian self rule in action.
Wait a second /u/l337kid, but ISIS fights against the Western Imperialism actually, committing many terrorist acts against the USA and its lackeys, why are you against ISIS comrade?
http://imgur.com/siyQhfN
n/a emanking 2017-04-11
The US needs ISIS as a reason to still have a presence in the area. Let me know when ISIS attacks Israel and then we can talk about them being anti-western imperialism.
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-04-11
Go to an ISIS-controlled area and tell them that they are US pawns. Don't forget to record and upload that to liveleak, fuccboi.
n/a emanking 2017-04-11
You can be a pawn and not know it. In fact that would be the most effective way of controlling pawns - by making them think what they're doing is righteous and their leaders have no ulterior motive. All religious extremists are lead by people that don't give a shit about that religion but put up a good act so they can control the idiots below them.
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-04-11
Have you considered the possibility that their leaders have no ulterior motive? Like, at least not "I'm actually ordering the suicide attacks on the Twin Towers to strengthen the US" sort of motives?
Can I run a quick test on you please? Imagine a girl, Annie, putting her favorite doll under her pillow and then going to school. Then her mother tidies up the room and moves the doll to the cupboard. When Annie returns from school, where would she look for her doll, in the cupboard or under her pillow, how do you think? Answer honestly, please.
n/a emanking 2017-04-11
Yes I have which is why I didn't say all religious leaders. Helps to learn how to read English.
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-04-11
Wait a second here.
Are you saying that "most religious extremist leaders" are in fact led by true believers, but you claimed the opposite because then you could say that not ALL of them are, and that would convince a literally retarded person who is not good with the difference between "most" and "not all"?
That's offensive, you know. That you think that I'm that retard that'd buy your retarded bullshit.
Keep Yourself Safe.
n/a emanking 2017-04-11
I give you a 1/10 for trolling. Try harder next time bud. Or maybe you're not trolling and just love using strawmen in which case maybe you shouldn't try debating quite yet kiddo.
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-04-11
I can't help but notice that you have not actually submitted your answer to the test, by the way.
n/a emanking 2017-04-11
Stopped reading when you started using a straw man. It's quite obvious you have nothing intelligent or of value to say. Just stop troll.
n/a EvanHarper 2017-04-11
Dear god if you're over 15 you have no excuse
n/a emanking 2017-04-11
Cool so logical fallacies carry weight here? Can you be dumber?
n/a EvanHarper 2017-04-11
Whoa, accuse me of using a logical fallacy then commit the blatant ad hominem of calling me dumb, thereby losing the argument. I think we're done here.
n/a EvanHarper 2017-04-11
http://i.imgur.com/DO6AAj2.jpg
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-04-11
Dude seriously what happened to you, you're suddenly actually funny.
n/a coinaday 2017-04-11
Pillow.
Next question in the test for neural activity please?
n/a Medibee 2017-04-11
The filthy Jew has manipulated the brave Arab via their jewish money magic. 1488 brother.
n/a jPaolo 2017-04-11
wtf i love jews now
n/a JoeFalchetto 2017-04-11
ISIS does not attack Israel because they know the consequences would be swift and devastating.
n/a Awayfone 2017-04-11
Funny enough (okay not funny) they shot rockets at Israel a couple days ago. Or claim it was them who did it
n/a Mexagon 2017-04-11
"Reddit, what's the prevailing opinion about assad so I can be edgy and oppose it?"
n/a Awayfone 2017-04-11
If you go off my Facebook:
Assad was set up, Trump is Litterally hitler and Russia should bomb the US due to the flint water issuses.
n/a sombresobriquet 2017-04-11
Fucking amazing, one of the main arguments they seem to be able to muster against him is "Nazis like him too, guys!"
n/a CR90 2017-04-11
consider my almonds activated.
n/a serialflamingo 2017-04-11
Assad is hella problematic, y'all.
n/a riemann1413 2017-04-11
mansplaining, chemical warfare
both just problematic things
n/a serialflamingo 2017-04-11
The Holocaust was so gross.
n/a riemann1413 2017-04-11
icky tbh
n/a Hammer_of_truthiness 2017-04-11
R we talkin about the holocaust or ur willy
n/a riemann1413 2017-04-11
i wonder if anyone's ever made holocaust parody porn
like The Holocoxxx or something
might be an untapped market tbh
n/a Hammer_of_truthiness 2017-04-11
Ur bussy is an untapped market
n/a riemann1413 2017-04-11
actually it's well tapped ;)
n/a Hammer_of_truthiness 2017-04-11
W8 until we meet up bigboi
n/a riemann1413 2017-04-11
tap my bussy daddy
n/a thewokeotaku 2017-04-11
while stalin did many terrible crime, he arguably also helped a lot with developing socialism and fighting fascism
/u/EricenFeu, Islamophobic supporter of fascist traitors.
Depends how you view it. There was a famine, it came from natural causes. Moscow was likely unaware of the severity of the situation in Ukraine.
/u/Sonols, genocidal fullnazi anti-Slavic pigrapist.
Not enough walls on this planet to contain these counterrevolutionary whiteskinned trash.
n/a FreeIceCreen 2017-04-11
How can you miss tens of millions of people starving to death? Like what short circuited in your brain to think that that is a justification, /u/Sonols?
n/a Sonols 2017-04-11
You can tell me where you got the number 10.000.000 deaths from hunger in Ukraine in 1933 first. Here is a wikipedia article to get your research going, it has both the high spectrum numbers and the low ones, so you can pick and choose, and still not come close.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Drama/comments/64r3zz/rfulldiscourse_the_rfullcommunism_discussion/dg60zo7/?context=3
n/a FreeIceCreen 2017-04-11
I used common sense. Not every single person who suffers in a famine dies, so it's not that hard to reach the assumption that for every person who actually died from Stalin's forced famine, there were 2-4 people who survived the hellish conditions. Given your articles more "reasonable" estimates of 2.5-5 million people, simple math tells us that the famine would have quickly affected tens of millions of people. Whether or not the forced starvation actually killed them doesn't change the moral algebra of "Was it an okay thing to not give entire countries food?" much.
You Holodomor denies really sound like Holocaust denies, with your fixation on a particular number as if only killing millions instead of tens of millions means your totalitarian dictator of choice was an okay guy, or your weird assertion that it's okay to torture human beings for years on end as long as they don't die in the end. Not to go all horseshoe on you but it's not a good look.
n/a fucked_my_shit_up 2017-04-11
Can someone explain this meme where commies will defend and support right-wing nationalist dictators as long as they're brown and anti-American?
In Assad's case, how can they justify to themselves supporting a guy that's constantly praised by far-right leaders in the west (David Duke, Nick Griffin, etc), a guy that's been been recruiting and arming foreign neo-nazi volunteers that have fought for him against ISIS and socialist Kurds, that he's fighting against and is the main adversary of actual socialist and communist groups in Syria, that leads the "Social Nationalist Party" (really makes you think).
I'd go there and try ask them but I'd just get banned, I just literally cannot understand the thought process they are going through to think Assad is on their side.
n/a aonome 2017-04-11
They are hateful people. If you look at their posts its not just about supporting them. They are resentful because they want to feel victimised and so they demonise their own society far more than brutal dictators. They feel hatred. They are a hate group.
They even appropriate the word "hate" to mean the actions of people that disagree with them whether or not those people feel hate. They have genuine mental health issues.
n/a ImNotPayingFullPrice 2017-04-11
Bingo bango: the older ones feel as if they've been held back by "The System", that it's to blame for their shortcomings. The younger ones are just preemptively making excuses in preparation for that.
Meanwhile...
n/a headasplodes 2017-04-11
Is America involved? If yes take the furthest possible stance from amerikkkkkka
If not find a way to make it about America
Also Fuck white people and throw away your convictions at the drop of a hat if it gives you a chance to suck off a brown person
n/a Veeron 2017-04-11
Ba'athism isn't really right wing at all.
n/a AGayOpinion 2017-04-11
Well, you see, they are brown and anti-American
n/a birdboy2000 2017-04-11
I think a lot of people who define themselves as anti-imperialists are generally dumbfucks and borderline fascists themselves - fascism in the arab world doesn't magically become a national liberation struggle just because the US opposes it.
However, the rebellion against Assad at this point in the war consists mostly of al-Qaeda and its ideological fellow travelers, and Assad probably is the lesser evil in that context. Between the rebels' sectarian atrocities and America's blatant regime change agenda I understand how people would draw the obvious conclusions. Besides, Assad at least calls himself a socialist.
For some people it's as simple as "if the US is for it, I'm against it" and given the history of US foreign policy it's an understandable choice, even if the people backing Assad over Rojava for that reason are out of their fucking minds. (Yeah, Rojava takes US aid during an existential struggle against Daesh - but so did the USSR!)
n/a Medibee 2017-04-11
We must defend Nazi Germany against the imperialist western powers and their soviet puppets.
n/a captainpriapism 2017-04-11
"enemy of my enemy" and they dont think any further
this is also why american leftists love islam now and trump fans like russia
n/a BurgerLaowai 2017-04-11
Obviously if Russia backs Assad against the west, we should agree... But if Russia likes Trump, then we need to REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
n/a AGayOpinion 2017-04-11
Split the difference. Let's agREEEEEEEEEEEEE!
n/a Medibee 2017-04-11
When daddy Che unintentionally denounces communism.
n/a LadyVetinari 2017-04-11
/u/l337kid why are you talking about Assad as if there isnt a giant nasty Syrian civil war over his rule? He is not the leader of a "self-determined" Syrian populace, there is literally a huge nasty civil war RIGHT NOW.
P.s. in case you were unaware, "civil war" means war within a state, not from outside powers.
n/a l337kid 2017-04-11
There is no civil war in Syria. There are terrorists attacking Syria.
Are you sure that your participants in this "civil war" aren't just Salafists and ISIS?
How can you be sure?
n/a l337kid 2017-04-11
Also this
n/a Deity_Of_Darkness 2017-04-11
https://media.giphy.com/media/l1BgS7B6wFIhbLLUs/giphy.gif
n/a jubbergun 2017-04-11
That is awesome. You've finally contributed something of value to the sub.
n/a -Princeps- 2017-04-11
https://i.redd.it/dvyq1ledrusx.jpg
n/a blindcandyman 2017-04-11
You know shit has gone off the deep end when people are okay with North Korea having nukes and think Assad is a nice guy.
n/a EvanHarper 2017-04-11
"Problematic."
They consider Bashar al-Assad "problematic."
Like calling someone "a transgender" instead of "transgendered."
Problematic.
n/a MRB2012 2017-04-11
It's really bad when you and I agree on something.
n/a EvanHarper 2017-04-11
You: Bashar is a murderous dictator executing a campaign of mass repression against his opponents
Me, an intellectual: His opponents were armed with knives and within 21 feet. It was a legitimate shooting. The videos you've seen in the mainstream media were edited and don't show all the facts
n/a aonome 2017-04-11
It's the other way around, they get upset when you say "transgendered" :^)
n/a EvanHarper 2017-04-11
social-justice-as-elite-manners was such a mistake
n/a jubbergun 2017-04-11
That's why I avoid accidentally offending anyone and use the word "tranny."
I prefer offending people on purpose, you know.