a lot of people who want to appear natty just dont train traps anymore since they and capped delts are the most known culprints. but this dude is definitly on tren - nobody can keep this amount of mass while being this lean
Nah dude, I'm too fat for test right now, at my ~15% bf, it would aromatize into estrogen like no other. I don't want gyno. Plus the progesterone gyno from tren.
Then you can't run tren w/o a test base, so natty life for me.
To get estrogen (female hormone) from testosterone (male hormone), you basically lose one methyl group (CH3), lose a double bond to an oxygen (add a hydrogen), and aromatize the cycloalkane group that the hydroxyl group is now attached to.
The subs hilarious cuz everyone posted there gets stamped as juicy. But hey at least someone is talking about it, too many fitness models out there lieing through their teeth.
people who get pissypants when others point out obvious steroid use remind me a lot of the people who get all up in arms when you point out fake tits on models or whatever
it's like, they're nice and all, but they aren't real - but holy balls you would not even believe how upsetting that is to a lot of people (or maybe you would, since it is an evergreen subreddit drama topic)
The problem isn't that they point out obvious steroid use, the problem is that the sub is full of rank beginners with no real lifting experience taking everything above "untrained" physiques as unquestionable signs of steroid use. They are essentially the /r/conspiracy of the lifting world, where for every case they get right they have accused 20 natural lifters of being "obvious roiders" based on nothing but a heavily filtered instagram picture in overhead lighting and a complete lack of understanding of human physiology, while furiously patting themselves on the back.
Or someone very stubborn and very body dismorphic. I mean I've worked out once 3 months without a break, every day, but I had an eating disorder back then so...
This is horseshit you can go 2 months no rest if programmed correctly you don't need to be dysmorphic or juicing. Sorry you had an eating disorder though shit is rough
You can also program everything in way that still leaves more than enough time for rest for each muscle group, especially when you add in things like mobility and speed work. Many people successfully train everyday.
I always feel like you can tell most of all in their faces, not their bodies - they always look sort of swollen and puffy and, I dunno, just STEROIDAL, and also kind of weirdly effeminate, like any pudgy receptionist who is on steroids for her bunions or whatever
it's gross and weird the way that male hormones somehow make your face look like someone's russian babushka
You can recognize steroid users based on how they look? I'm sure you could make quite a penny working for WADA, they'll be glad to know their expensive tests aren't necessary anymore now that a random boob on the internet came up with an unbetable method.
You have no idea what you're talking about do you?
I am not a steroid user, I just happen to know that you're wrong. And if you're right, if you have a unfaillible method, get a job at WADA, prove me that they believe you and you have no false positives or false negatives, I will gild you a hundred times.
I've done that for several periods in the past, but that was just my regular 5 training days with an extra two days of some light speedwork, core and mobility thrown in. Definitely don't need PEDs to train every day.
You sound like someone who hasn't even gone one day without a rest day.
If you're on a 5 or 6 day split programme it's not that hard to go in every day. Some days you might need to go lighter than others, some days you'll need more rest than others, but going to the gym every day is definitely not 'something only a juicer would do'.
i don't hate the steroid accusations because at least people are acknowledging the gains and paying attention to my physique.
I don't know why, but this just sounded really sad. Like I felt like I saw into the part of his psyche going "please give me validation and praise! I seem confident but I'm actually very insecure so please tell me I'm man- pretty"
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n/a CosmicKeys 2017-04-12
/r/nattyorjuice
n/a CosmicKeys 2017-04-12
/r/nattyorjuice
Doesn't have the massive traps typical of a juicer but did lose a bit of hair over 5 years.
n/a cptAustria 2017-04-12
a lot of people who want to appear natty just dont train traps anymore since they and capped delts are the most known culprints. but this dude is definitly on tren - nobody can keep this amount of mass while being this lean
n/a iNEEDheplreddit 2017-04-12
My cousin took tren and threw his tv out out his 2 floor window onto the street below.
n/a cptAustria 2017-04-12
yeah tren is pretty hard on your psyche
n/a ThisWebsiteIsJunk 2017-04-12
It also makes jacking off to tranny/ladyboy porn seem like a reasonable use (according to my friends).
n/a Jukk 2017-04-12
Euphemism
n/a ThisWebsiteIsJunk 2017-04-12
Nah dude, I'm too fat for test right now, at my ~15% bf, it would aromatize into estrogen like no other. I don't want gyno. Plus the progesterone gyno from tren.
Then you can't run tren w/o a test base, so natty life for me.
n/a Jukk 2017-04-12
👌 a'ight
n/a ThisWebsiteIsJunk 2017-04-12
Don't want bitch tits, YFM, fam?
n/a Jukk 2017-04-12
I gotcha 🙌💪👈
n/a takesteady12 2017-04-12
PCT doesn't work for you or something?
n/a SamWhite 2017-04-12
?
n/a ThisWebsiteIsJunk 2017-04-12
To get estrogen (female hormone) from testosterone (male hormone), you basically lose one methyl group (CH3), lose a double bond to an oxygen (add a hydrogen), and aromatize the cycloalkane group that the hydroxyl group is now attached to.
Example of how close the two are.
This process happens in human fat deposits.
n/a icyhat 2017-04-12
Damn, that's bad and wasting money. Did he just go form 0 to psycho instantly or did he gradually go insane?
n/a BeforeTheRobots 2017-04-12
I knew a guy in high school who had crazy huge traps. Like he could barely turn his head. I figured he was juiced up.
n/a diptardo 2017-04-12
Natty or juice is shithole for dumbasses who want to pin their own failure on everyone who's successful.
n/a JamesBruceGamble 2017-04-12
Lol pin
I c wut u did thar
n/a vikingmechanic 2017-04-12
Nattyorjuice somehow manages to have more retarded beliefs about fitness and give worse advice than /r/shittyaskfitness, while being totally serious.
n/a ManletPrideParade 2017-04-12
NatyOrJuice is for lazy kids that want excuses for their mediocrity. They don't know shit.
n/a ufo_abductee 2017-04-12
For the love of Christ, please do not link people to that cesspool of mediocre garbage.
n/a EmergencyChocolate 2017-04-12
just linking to that triggered all the juicers on reddit, gj mate
n/a CosmicKeys 2017-04-12
The subs hilarious cuz everyone posted there gets stamped as juicy. But hey at least someone is talking about it, too many fitness models out there lieing through their teeth.
n/a EmergencyChocolate 2017-04-12
people who get pissypants when others point out obvious steroid use remind me a lot of the people who get all up in arms when you point out fake tits on models or whatever
it's like, they're nice and all, but they aren't real - but holy balls you would not even believe how upsetting that is to a lot of people (or maybe you would, since it is an evergreen subreddit drama topic)
n/a vikingmechanic 2017-04-12
The problem isn't that they point out obvious steroid use, the problem is that the sub is full of rank beginners with no real lifting experience taking everything above "untrained" physiques as unquestionable signs of steroid use. They are essentially the /r/conspiracy of the lifting world, where for every case they get right they have accused 20 natural lifters of being "obvious roiders" based on nothing but a heavily filtered instagram picture in overhead lighting and a complete lack of understanding of human physiology, while furiously patting themselves on the back.
n/a FistOfFacepalm 2017-04-12
who cares if someone is using PEDs or not? what is the point of "calling out fake natties" ?
n/a jPaolo 2017-04-12
I never got some people's dreams about looking like balloon animal.
n/a Nomiss 2017-04-12
I like the part where he claims he's gone 2 months without a rest day, which is something only a juicer would do.
n/a sugarkid 2017-04-12
Or someone very stubborn and very body dismorphic. I mean I've worked out once 3 months without a break, every day, but I had an eating disorder back then so...
n/a atakeonhooper 2017-04-12
glad you're getting better :)
n/a sugarkid 2017-04-12
Thank you! It was a long, long while ago and I'm in a much better place now!
n/a Hulkkicker30 2017-04-12
This is horseshit you can go 2 months no rest if programmed correctly you don't need to be dysmorphic or juicing. Sorry you had an eating disorder though shit is rough
n/a itoucheditforacookie 2017-04-12
Praise gabem
n/a Hulkkicker30 2017-04-12
Praise me?
n/a itoucheditforacookie 2017-04-12
Wait... Is this your new account?
n/a Hulkkicker30 2017-04-12
I'm confused this is my only account but my name is Gabe so maybe thats why I am lost.
n/a itoucheditforacookie 2017-04-12
Aw Gabe Malone. Squatseveryday and neverworkslegs. 182lbs squats over 600 used to post in the jerk a lot
n/a Hulkkicker30 2017-04-12
Oh no you think I'm potentially scrong sadly I am not.
n/a itoucheditforacookie 2017-04-12
Gabe
n/a Hulkkicker30 2017-04-12
He makes me proud to share name
n/a rich_ard 2017-04-12
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
n/a ThisWebsiteIsJunk 2017-04-12
Eh, I go every day when I'm not sick or something. Definitely not on juice, just a part of my daily routine.
n/a ChaoticEvil 2017-04-12
Same here. Mostly because I have no life.
I still look like shit though. Maybe I should do something at the gym besides walk around the locker room naked.
n/a Alexlincoln2 2017-04-12
Rest time is essential for normal muscle hypertrophy, so yeah, reduce it to 5 or 6 per week
n/a ChaoticEvil 2017-04-12
Can I still furiously jerk off on the the rest day
n/a ThisWebsiteIsJunk 2017-04-12
Dick hypertrophy, bruh
n/a ChaoticEvil 2017-04-12
o no
n/a IGetComputersPuting 2017-04-12
You can also program everything in way that still leaves more than enough time for rest for each muscle group, especially when you add in things like mobility and speed work. Many people successfully train everyday.
n/a EmergencyChocolate 2017-04-12
I always feel like you can tell most of all in their faces, not their bodies - they always look sort of swollen and puffy and, I dunno, just STEROIDAL, and also kind of weirdly effeminate, like any pudgy receptionist who is on steroids for her bunions or whatever
it's gross and weird the way that male hormones somehow make your face look like someone's russian babushka
n/a diptardo 2017-04-12
You can't. You're an absurd person, and this is beyond stupid.
n/a EmergencyChocolate 2017-04-12
advice: lay off the juice, friendo, it makes you mean <3
n/a diptardo 2017-04-12
People talking out their ass like they're pulling anything from there besides shit makes me mean.
n/a EmergencyChocolate 2017-04-12
it's ok you can have as much of my shit as you want
plate or bowl and spoon or fork?
n/a Avocadokadabra 2017-04-12
Being condescending isn't going to help your cause, you just sound like an asshole. An asshole that doesn't know what they're talking about.
n/a EmergencyChocolate 2017-04-12
I bet you would totes lay me out irl huh brah
n/a jerry101246 2017-04-12
Spike in testosterone causes a spike in estrogen, that's where the gyno and puffy face come from. Called moon face, look it up.
n/a Alexlincoln2 2017-04-12
Thats why most sane users have estrogen blockers, although that still isnt entirely effective
n/a diptardo 2017-04-12
It's not a guaranteed side and depends on the compound.
n/a Avocadokadabra 2017-04-12
You can recognize steroid users based on how they look? I'm sure you could make quite a penny working for WADA, they'll be glad to know their expensive tests aren't necessary anymore now that a random boob on the internet came up with an unbetable method.
n/a EmergencyChocolate 2017-04-12
oh my jesus christ I really stirred up the roid rage crowd huh
yes you can often, if not in all cases, tell a moonpie roid face, sorry but you roidbrahs are not nearly as stealth as you always think you are
n/a Avocadokadabra 2017-04-12
You have no idea what you're talking about do you?
I am not a steroid user, I just happen to know that you're wrong. And if you're right, if you have a unfaillible method, get a job at WADA, prove me that they believe you and you have no false positives or false negatives, I will gild you a hundred times.
n/a EmergencyChocolate 2017-04-12
REEEEEroids
n/a Avocadokadabra 2017-04-12
Ok man, now you just sound retarded. We're done here, come back when you have something resembling anything intelligent to say.
n/a EmergencyChocolate 2017-04-12
lol, as though I engaged you in the first place
you're like one of those skanks who comes up in a bar, sits on some guy's lap, and then slaps him and shrieks I HAVE A BOYFRIEND ALREADY!
n/a ufo_abductee 2017-04-12
lmao when has this ever happened?
oh right, never.
n/a EmergencyChocolate 2017-04-12
please stop replying to me, I'm engaged
n/a ufo_abductee 2017-04-12
i'm shocked tbh
n/a EmergencyChocolate 2017-04-12
you wouldn't know her, she lives in Canada
n/a ufo_abductee 2017-04-12
Moonface/gyno typically only occurs when people don't take an estrogen blocker while on steroids.
n/a diptardo 2017-04-12
No, it isn't.
n/a jerry101246 2017-04-12
There's a very popular routine called PPL that demands 6 days a week. Tons of natties like myself do it.
Rest days are for the feeble.
n/a Alexlincoln2 2017-04-12
That is a rest day
n/a Actual-Pain 2017-04-12
Can you count? A week 7 days, you do 6.
n/a faheytrash 2017-04-12
It's not the first time they've had this problem
n/a leetdood_shadowban2 2017-04-12
Man I almost forgot about that but it just came into my mind. Guy just wasn't getting the concept.
n/a vikingmechanic 2017-04-12
I've done that for several periods in the past, but that was just my regular 5 training days with an extra two days of some light speedwork, core and mobility thrown in. Definitely don't need PEDs to train every day.
n/a bsa86 2017-04-12
You sound like someone who hasn't even gone one day without a rest day.
If you're on a 5 or 6 day split programme it's not that hard to go in every day. Some days you might need to go lighter than others, some days you'll need more rest than others, but going to the gym every day is definitely not 'something only a juicer would do'.
n/a jPaolo 2017-04-12
What I see there is just massive amount of gays in denial.
n/a CondeTrocola 2017-04-12
I think that the no homo thing started in /fit/
n/a lets-start-a-riot 2017-04-12
Just like in /r/drama but you are wrong in the denial part. We are very aware.
n/a EmergencyChocolate 2017-04-12
welcome to any bodybuilding forum, may I take your order
n/a jPaolo 2017-04-12
Can I order a bussy?
n/a EmergencyChocolate 2017-04-12
yeah but it's 99 cents extra
you want a straw with that
n/a jPaolo 2017-04-12
And a little umbrella.
n/a itoucheditforacookie 2017-04-12
Thank you for understanding
n/a Meatwadhead 2017-04-12
/r/bb isn't even really in denial about it
n/a jPaolo 2017-04-12
Your link leads to nowhere. #404
n/a Meatwadhead 2017-04-12
lol think and you'll figure it out
n/a jPaolo 2017-04-12
Oh, got it
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-04-12
I hope that dude isn't a native English speaker.
n/a j4x 2017-04-12
Just like how Zyzz totes was clean and it was totally a coincidence that his heart exploded in a sauna.
n/a TheSlimJim 2017-04-12
He had a preexisting heart condition and was using copious amounts of other drugs...
n/a Deity_Of_Darkness 2017-04-12
Well the steroids made it worse. It's a shame, he was so hot. Zyzz should have done gay porn before he died.
n/a bsa86 2017-04-12
I think Zyzz was pretty open about his use
n/a czi 2017-04-12
Eh, Zyzz was very open about steroids.
n/a Deity_Of_Darkness 2017-04-12
I'm surprised at r/drama users for knowing anything about fitness. And most bodybuilders seem to be closet gays.
n/a Wraith_GraveSpell 2017-04-12
I don't know why, but this just sounded really sad. Like I felt like I saw into the part of his psyche going "please give me validation and praise! I seem confident but I'm actually very insecure so please tell me I'm man- pretty"