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Surprising everybody, this commenter created a (dead) sub called /r/SocialismUK

that's gotta be the tankiest tankie that ever tanked

u/SoyBeanExplosion I enjoyed your take on north Korea can you give us your thoughts on the former USSR along with maoist China.

Also Pol Pot plz, I need to get woke.

The line on them is that they weren't ayackshually Communists. Jeez it's like you don't even read reddit comments.

But all the deaths were still totally justified because they were probably bourgie scum anyway

Ironic, Khmers were the ones who actually achieved classless and moneyless society.

And glorious utopia followed soon after, komrade.

the bulk of these [Cambodian] deaths are plausibly attributable to the United States.

t. Noam Chomsky

I mean, isn't every death plausibly attributable to the United States?

On an unrelated note, relying on Noam Chomsky to feed you your opinions on geopolitics is a lot like paying Chuck the mechanic to fill your cavities.

In contrast, the media favorite, Barron and Paul’s “untold story of Communist Genocide in Cambodia” (their subtitle), virtually ignores the U.S. Government role.

hahahaha, holy shit you arent kidding.

Ive never bothered to read one of Chomsky's books because they seem tedious and just bad, and every time I read one of his articles like this I am glad for that. Ive got better shit to do.

It's not in the least controversial that the US illegally bombing the shit out of the country destabilized it and led to horrific people like the Khmer Rouge taking power.

How about the tree that the Khmer Rouge beat babies to death against while laughing. Was the because of America too?

/r/Kampchuea

Do you think he got his info from here?

https://theredcritique.wordpress.com/2017/04/15/youre-probably-wrong-about-north-korea/

it's funny how /u/SoyBeanExplosion is trying his hardest to avoid answering the questions about the fact that there are concentration camps that you are born into due to some perceived fuck-up your grandparents did, to focus on the ex-girlfriend porn story. Good priorities there fucko

"But... but.. but Venezuela is a not real socialism."

If I was a supervillian, I would buy a gigantic cargo plane, kidnap 50 socialism posters a day, and drop them off in a land where people are literally digging through trashbags for food amass.

They would just look around at all the poverty and misery, and find a way to blame it on American Republicans.

Wew lad

Everything is America's fault.

I mean that is literally what they would do, though.

"Hey Drumpfette, Cuba is only poor because of American sanctions!"(even though they trade with every other country on the planet besides the US and should be a tropical paradise, US sanctions or no)

Oh I wasn't arguing.

I don't Cuba is that far off from how most other Latin American countires are doing though

Cuba has a lot more potential for economic growth than many other Latin American countries. It was a booming tourist economy before a mafia boss named Fidel decided to steal the entire island for himself.

Pretty sure Batista was fucking things up pretty good before Fidel.

Cuba was an international tourist destination. American celebrities owned mansions there and gambled in lavish casinos, and average joes took the fam there for a cheap vacation. All of that money spent equals jobs and food for Cuban people. Sounds pretty fucked.

I guess if you ignore the death squads and the fact that a large portion of the Cuban population, especially rural, lived in crushing poverty. But hey, neato if you're an urban penisulare.

You know theres a reason the revolution happened right? Castro didn't defeat Batista's forces with his bare hands.

"Guevara death squats goooooooooood

Bautista death squads baaaaaaaaaad"

I'm not saying that Castro was good. Just that Batista was bad.

You're not fooling anyone, comrade.

I don't like Cuba because i'm a commie, not in spite of it. Even if the rosiest tankie narratives about Cuba are true its just a shitty version of Sweden with a dictator.

How is it anything like Sweden?

Cuba is a poor social democracy

Sweden is not a one party "democracy"

I mean social democracy as in a welfare state

by that metric literally every country is a worse sweden

this, but unironically

Pretty sure that would make you a superhero.

Why bother dropping them off on land? Just dump them all out once you reach cruising altitude, make our boy Pinochet weep tears of joy.

Understanding Venezuela’s failing state as just another failure of socialism, and of statism generally, is ahistorical. Venezuela before Chávez was often extravagantly statist. Corruption has been a major problem in every era. Even dire food shortages are not new. These things happened under capitalism, too, as did intense political repression. Today’s crisis is for most people the worst in memory, but it is not all about socialism. The predatory state, the extreme insecurity, the sheer weakness of the rule of law—these are problems more profound, at this stage, than a traditional left-right analysis can clarify, let alone begin to solve.

It's only Americans with no knowledge of the country's history and no understanding of politics beyond 'socialist vs capitalist' who love to diminish a complex crisis into a shitty caricature to perpetuate their own narrative.

yeah, definitely, because things are complicated and history has lots of factors, it means moving to a centrally planned economy had nothing to do with this.

oh no, history is complicated? it has lots of factors? Shit, I guess you're right, moving to a centrally planned economy didn't contribute to Venezuela's economic collapse.

Thanks for teaching us a lesson about how "shitty" our thinking is!

oh no, history is complicated? it has lots of factors? Shit, I guess you're right, moving to a centrally planned economy, that the government was in no way capable of efficiently planning, didn't contribute to Venezuela's economic collapse.

Word too big for you? I sorry friend. Will dumb down in future. Venezuela not plan central: big business not control by bad government men. Leaders are corrupt. Economy is run bad. But not case of just socialist fail. Read book sometime

at least I'm not into fat chicks

You're missing out.

Economy is run bad? You don't say. It's almost as if a country where the government didn't have such a heavy-handed role in running the economy wouldn't have had as many opportunities to fuck it up.

Lol you think Chavez nationalized the oil industry? Again, read a book before you pretend to know what you're talking about

now you're just putting words in my mouth.

I have: you're clueless. Venezuela is not a centrally planned economy. Corruption, authoritarianism, mismanagement, clientelism and a sudden decline in oil prices led to the current crisis. Not 'socialism'.

Venezuela totally got the shaft on central planning. When Chavez had left office, he had literally poured billions of state dollars in the construction of communes.

No, you are. Venezuela totally got the shaft on central planning. When Chavez died, he had literally poured billions of state dollars down the drain in paying german foreign contractors for the construction of communes.

^ yep.

No true scottsman every time socialism fails.

Show us socialism not failing? In before > 20m all-white european city-state with no military.

I was just talking about Venezuela.

...So you can't show us a socialist system that isn't a total failure that doesn't ascribe to the features I stated above?

Why is it socialism only works when big bad America is there to protect your tiny European progressive populations? Why are all those socialist countries virtue signalling their crime rates so white? Are they racists or something?

Why is it that i can't bring in some nuance about the crisis in Venezuela without every American mouth breather on the internet jumping on me trying to make me defend socialism? I never said it was a good system

You clearly were, and honestly it is pretty funny how you aren't seeing the forest through the trees here.

You are saying, "It was an authoritarian problem, guys, not so much a socialist-failed situation". That is exactly what it is. You give the government the power to regulate and control industry in the name of being progressive and fair and socialist and to compete with foreign markets, and run screaming when it turns into fascism, crying it isn't real progressivism.

I was? Where

Does it hurt you to be this autistically retarded? You sound like you have blood coming out of your ass

I DONT WANT TO REEEEEEEEAD THESE WORDS ON MY SCREEN

Remember, folks, if socialism or communism fail, it wasn't socialism or communism's fault!

It would be nice if the world was as simple as you think it is

Leftist authoritarianism will work one day, folks. Trust this guy. ^

If you could read you'd see that I point out that authoritarianism is a big part of the crisis in Venezuela. I'm not making a point about anything other than the the fact that the crisis there isn't as simple as 'socialism bad', but unurprisingly that's all some people are capable of seeing

If you could read

Anger level increasing, good.

I'm not making a point about anything other than the the fact that the crisis there isn't as simple as 'socialism bad'

Yes, yes it is. It is literally as simple as that. Every time your bullshit leftist authoritarian utopia vision of government controlling peoples lives for progress goes south, you don't get to kick and scream and say they just did it wrong, again.

Where did it say I am a socialist? I'm just talking about Venezuela

Aren't you fucking vanilla?

If I was a supervillian I would starve them for a week, then leave them in an arena with a large lock-box of food in it, complete with rotisserie chicken for added incentive. The twist is that I made one of them swallow the key and they don't know which stomach the key is. If they want to eat, they need to retrieve the key.

The real plot twist, there was never any key in any stomach.

Either step up your supervillian game or go back home.

Literally my thought. He like debunks this stupid gossipy shit as if that debunks actual mass murder. I kept waiting for him to debunk that stuff, but all I found out (with no source, mind you) that Kim Jong Un didn't execute someone for sneezing. lol.

On another troll account I got him and three of his mods to tell me their life stories.

u/SoyBeanExplosion works for his dad making $25/hour and is going to school for business in the meantime.

All the mods are a bunch of rich kids who know nothing about the real world working for daddy or living in their parents house mad that the roofers are talking about deporting illegals.

With these situations it usually comes out afterwards that the situation was worse than everyone thought.

I mean, I know all socialists are mentally retarded, but this is a special case.

I now have cancer.

Title game strong.

Helicopter rides when?

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who probably hasn't read the works of Marx or Bernstein.

/u/richard0copeland

Nobody will take us Socialist's seriously if we keep quoting fucking Karl Marx. He's a moron, and there are way better philosophers than him.

I'm an anarchist and I don't agree with Marx, but why do you think he's a moron? That's not really a counter argument.

(If I were the other fella I would have recommended Kropotkin but whateva)

Marxism and Communism are ridiculously outdated and don't work. You don't advertise a Marxist when advocating Socialism.

Personally I prefer evolutionary Socialism to Marx's revolutionary communism but I thought I'd include both sides hence the Bernstein name drop

Mazdak was a prot-socialist who made more fucking sense than Marx did.

The problem with Marx was his ideas assumed to much of human nature, something he couldn't possibly understand at the time. He was a charlatan who sold books off of gullible hacks who believed humanity would suddenly work together against the rich because he's apparently a psychic.

He made bullshit claims based on bullshit predictions that never came true. He was an idiot.

For all you kids out there...