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Why are you always pointing to Christianity when people criticize Islam?

Because I find it amusing.

fun is haram

What's it like to be so absolutely brainwashed you cannot acknowledge how horrible a religion treats women and minorities. You must be liberal cause only a liberal does that sort of whataboutism. So what's it like to defend a religion that treats women like property, kills gay people and rapes children. It is very progressive of you to accept their beautiful culture.

So does Christianity...

• http://www.religioustolerance.org/ofe_bibl.htm
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2014
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

top kek

You know I agree with Muslims in one aspect, women do belong in the home, and they definetly shouldn't vote as demonstrated by you.

Cool, thanks for sharing.

Your welcome, but don't worry hopefully in a few decades we can have a bunch of Muslims in the west and then you can go back to not having any rights.

I'll fight right along side you if someone tries to take away our rights, kay chief?

Nope, once it's gone that far you don't deserve them anymore.

Oh yeah? How do you feel about the left's other huge waste of time, gun control, since you're talking about fighting for rights?

I support gun ownership as long as people are responsible and they train in gun safety.

Cool, how about those "weapons of war" that Democrats talk about?

Idk it depends, like should random dude have an LMG? Hard for me to be like yeah that's reasonable.

Should a community be able to have an armory and control access to high powered weapons but keep them in reach in the event that they are needed? I could get behind that.

All these answers seem quite calculated to give the impression that you're not a hypocrite, but I have a hunch that you'd support any gun control measure that was floated, short of door to door confiscation.

If fighting ever was necessary, a collective armory is about the worst place to have weapons stored, not that I'm planning on it.

I'll admit before Trump I was more in the camp of gun control, but these days I feel more strongly that we're closer to fascism than ever before. I want to be able to protect myself, and I respect that while I may not share the same political beliefs as others they too should be able to defend themselves. Therefor it is in the best interest of all to have access to guns.

I am still forming the details of my opinion on the subject, but I am firmly in the camp that the individual should be able to have guns.

I also firmly believe that communities should be able to protect themselves, and while I think there's probably a degree of force that should not be in the hands of individuals I don't know where to draw that line right now.

Fair enough. TBH, those are my wife's feelings too. I couldn't convince her why I should be able to have an AR with a 30rd mag until a president she was truly scared of took office. I don't want Muslims or any brown people to be persecuted, but whataboutism when it comes to the daily tyranny women and minorities face under conservative Islam really bothers me. Of course the alt-right and Trump are dangerous fools, but the left's unwillingness to engage these issues openly and honestly are part of why we have a President Trump. I also resent with closet islamists like Linda Sarsour piggyback on liberal causes when she advocates illiberal Sharia. Does this make me sound like a right winger? Sure, but only because the left won't talk about it.

Eh, logic like:

the left's unwillingness to engage these issues openly and honestly are part of why we have a President Trump

Is pretty bad, it's like saying:

You're forcing me to vote away your rights because you don't agree that Islam across the ocean is more pressing than me taking away your rights

It just seems ridiculous, if you voted for Trump out of fear of Islam you're a pathetic human being.

I'll fight right along side you if someone tries to take away our rights, kay chief?

As long as the definition of fighting is complaining on the internet.

No you wouldn't. You'd be sensitive to their culture and find your place in the home, out of sight.

Yeah... no...

Don't you dishonor our Muslim guests, respect my male voice as inherently superior to your own and submit as their faith demands, you culturally insensitive racist.

How is what you're saying any different than patriarchal / Christian culture in the US? Fuck you and fuck that I'll speak my mind.

Oh that's it! Now you're just asking for some Koran and hadith sanctioned physical correction with all your back talk! Does your father/uncle/brother know you are talking to men online you are not married to, and in such a fashion!?

How is that different than what Christians want? Seriously how is that different than fundie Christians? Y'all want the same.

I'm not talking about Christians, I'm talking about you rejecting the beautiful cultural enrichment of our Muslim guests, and the improbably of you standing and fighting as you so boldly claimed you would. You wouldn't want to disrespect their gentle culture would you? You'd be practically Hitler if you did!

My point is that Islam is not far from Christianity. I will fight anyone who wants to take my rights away.

And my point is you'd be literally Hitler in your shameless cultural insensitivity, trumpesque even! You wouldn't want that would you? Submit and know your place as an inferior of men

How is it being hitler to not want to give up ones rights?

Ignore them, /r/drama is full of nothing but evil white mysogynists who mass-downvote beautiful liberal women like you. I for one support you, and agree with all of your opinions against the oppressive and mysogynistic Christians.

Now pm me your vagina plz.

Damn it man, I was this close to having an internet relationship with an actual real woman!

Holy shit, so comically close to self-awareness I almost burst a spleen laughing.

Because the spoopy brown people are more of an immediate threat than the spoopy white people..

she'd probably agree

Fundie Christians don't control the court systems in any western country that's how you stupid cunt. They aren't even close to comparable. No Christian government in 2017 is cutting anyone's head off in the plaza with a sword and lot's of women drive, though they shouldn't, Islam's got that one right.

I mean what would you consider the partisan push for the Supreme Court in the United States? Neil G has found previously in favor of "religious liberty" which we all know is thinly coded reference to Christian fundie beliefs.

Christians are pushing to impose their bullshit on the rest of us. That's not cool, fuck them.

So if it's all the same, you'd have no problem living in Saudi Arabia with the culturally enriched no-driving, hijab wearing, imprisoned for being raped women of Islam? Maybe you'd be lucky enough to see them throw a gay off the roof of a building before they stone you to death for talking too much.

No I wanna live in a world devoid of religion. I want to be free of its influence on my life and liberties. It's not about who's more fucked up, it's that both options are shit and people should stop pretending like we're somehow better despite all the fucked up things our government condones.

Nah muslims are worse.

Dey eat da poo poo

So what's it like to defend a religion that treats women like property, kills gay people and rapes children.

Hey Trump has 2/3 of those down, he'd probably get on pretty well with muslims if they were the same shade of mayo as him.

I almost cut myself on that edge

I mean if you don't like raping children and treating women like property trump probably isnt your best choice. He's not exactly a fan of the gays either. He's pretty much a muslim extremist.

Wew lad

I'd let every gay man in America take turns on my asshole if it meant you would stop this Islam apologia. Yes, Trump is an asshole. That doesn't mean the majority of the worlds Muslims should be cuddled with when they express a violent and misogynist worldview, does it?

Til I've apologised for Islam. Ive just said Trump and Islam are very very similar.

So if someone asked you to condemn Islam, would you drag some irrelevant US politician into the matter or would you simply condemn Islam?

I'm guessing you'd go for the first option.

he's not wrong tho. Trump likes sexually assualt and hates gays. don't trip over shit Muslims then pretend your orange retard isn't above the same criticism

Your obsession with trump is unhealthy go back to jerking off to figurines

I'm sorry you voted for a retard. Does that make you feel better even tho you're 100% wrong here?

Yeah we were totally talking about trump in this thread. What's it like to never get laid, is there a more pathetic hobby for a grown man than to play with action figures.

You know acting smug to save face that you're a dumbass who has zero intellectual capacity is just a patch on your insecurities that one day will melt away revealing the weak bitch underneath? How's it feel that you named yourself after a dude this is barely better than the typical Muslim?

Your greatest life achievement was not being aborted. My happiest moment of 2016 was watching Hillary lose but even then I'm self aware enough to realize Trump is a thinned skinned obese retard with nothing to offer the country besides catch phrases and to be glorified by people with daddy complexes like you.

WEW LADS, GET THIS PATRIOT A BRICK!!

Huh and here I thought I was an infantry officer who named himself after a soldier he lost downrange. What's it like to play war with action figures while I was in one

suck it the fuck up I was in Iraq too

Why is that a common argument on reddit. "Haha you must have voted for trump!". Nevermind that not everyone on reddit is an american..

He's literally named after him rofl

pay attention

Do you not realize that you can dislike Trump AND dislike Islam?

I dislike both for the most part so pretty fucking irrelevant comment tbh

spiteful and tired. just your average work night. how about you cutie??

that's what I'm talking about👌 👌 i'ma wine and sleep tho. sweet dreams.

and hates gays

Trump had the stones to say he didn't care which shitter the transtesticles use while he was trying to court the evangelical vote. I see more "gay hate" coming from people like Stephen "Cockholster" Colbert than I do from Trump.

If you think making a bitch joke is homophobic you're a dumbass

I'll have to take your word on that since you know more about being a bitch than the rest of us.

You're the one offended over a blow job joke. You are the bitch here.

This motherfucker retarded, fam

why are trump supporters so salty though? i bet you like child rape just like daddy.

Double.the.edge. You sound sweet.

What's it like to be so absolutely brainwashed you cannot acknowledge how horrible a person treats women and minorities. You must be a trumptard cause only a trumptard does that sort of whataboutism. So what's it like to defend a person that treats women like property, kills gay people and rapes children. It is very progressive of you to accept their beautiful culture.

What's it like to be an SJW, the true cock holster of Islam & various faggotry you mean?
I dunno, you tell me

you irl

Me_irl

Okay I'm not a Trumpette, but really? I don't think Trump has ever killed a gay person. Knock off this whataboutism.

As I said. 2/3 ain't bad.

Libshits are the ones trying to normalise pedophilia, though.

Shhh its OK. Daddy totally isn't like those nasty brown people. You go back to cheering about a wall and guns like the good little American you are. Don't worry about the rest of the world. Wave your little American flag. America is still number one and not a failing state!

gottem

liar

no, that's obviously not why.

It's because you hate whitey and want to jerk yourself off for being super progressive by defending retarded brown people. Give it a rest, defending islam is 2015 as hell.

I did just buy a cumming dildo, slow jerk

HNNNG, give me ur adress and I'll swing by with my micro wee-wee bb. Just for watching you though, real physical intimacy scares me.

Also, read a fucking book about Islam. I understand you might feel protective over some small shia sufi order or MENA-culture in general, but a feminist defending even moderate Islam is sickening. Your fellow sisters are suffering because your Becky ass can't be bothered to speak up against intersectional radfem peer pressure. Make a change.

Sorry I think all religions are shit

Religion isn't shit. Committing and defending evil deeds in the name of religion is shit.

Or like St. Augustine put it; "An unjust law is no law at all"

Religion is just shit, all of it.

Don't blaspheme against my god you heathen she-devil. I hope you're not on your period, that would make it extra impure.

Rip

T. Becky who's bitter she had to go to church as a kid

Thnx, but the only church thing I've been to was a catholic wedding.

Yw bb, hey unrelated but what's the female equivalent of a fedora

Probably an invader zim piece of clothing.

I like the cut of your jib tbh

cheers.

People who defend Islam are pathetic cunts too weak and fearful to utter anything controversial.

that's fair.

http://i.imgur.com/C7BciC0.gif

Oh Boy, sleep!

That's where I'm a Mujahideen!

Ho

It's off to work we go

Was sort of hoping you would respond with hi again (then followed by me saying how" soe could finish the song properly. Disappoint!

Awe sorry, I'm not super good at memeing

That's because you lack ambition.

Yay! Bonus Drama!

They are entirely correct

Bitches don't know how to cook anymore though.

The "...but Christianity!" response is as tired as "...but Hillary!" in Trump threads. It's not an either/or, I can dislike both.

You're right, it is functionally a method of derailing discussion. However, if one feels that the criticism is a bit like throwing stones in a glass house it can be a useful tactic for attempting to help people realize that perhaps criticism of another religion without introspection towards their own can be a bit of a silly act.

Do you think any significant portion of people criticizing Islam on reddit are Christians?

Probably, since the site is most populated by Americans and most Americans are some form of Christian.

Even if they are not Christian my position still stands that all religions are negative towards women, minorities, and occasionally children. Why pick one over the other? The US has its own issues with religious people trying to force their beliefs on others. What good does focusing on Islam do when state legislatures are trying to take away my rights right now?

most people on reddit are probably Christian

wew

implying they're not sagankin

excuse me this is a zoroastrian only site,

Dakhma yourself please.

Derka Derka? Muhammad Muhammad?

white people

what a shame

Atheists have always been a loud minority on this site, but I would wager that it has become more Christian since early on. After all it started catering to normies and throwing the atheists under the bus for making shitty memes.

THEY TOOK OUR MEMES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

The atheist thing makes sense though. or why it went to shit.

See if you spend some time thinking about religion it's pretty bullshit. You might be inclined to be an atheist. Sure there's pushback for six months (a bit longer if you're a dumbass teenager seeking ultimate truth or some other shit) but then usually there's nothing there so you move on. /r/atheism is made of those who didn't move on or were constantly supplied by a new group of dumbass teens. Thus the subreddit was 98% shit.

And it was the shittiest ones debating and brigading. Now they have roughly the same activity as /r/marchagainsttrump despite having literally 45 times the number of subscribers.

See if you spend some time thinking about religion it's pretty bullshit.

On a scale from one to euphoric, how enlightened are you?

Kek you leLOGICD dat fundie FAITHeeist

Thx m8

About 764/894 high degresse tyson.

No one threw the atheists under the bus; the atheists were just dumbfucks.

Because Islam hasn't had a reformation. The majority of Christians don't believe in honor killings

I mean, sure but I need to worry about my ability to have an abortion. My ability to get birth control. Which christians do seem to want to take away.

But they're doing it within the scope of secular law.

As well, why are you trying to kill babies? If you don't want a kid, don't have sex

I like sex I don't like children.

Tie those tubes

Probably will, mate, but it's also the principal. No one should be forced to have a fucking parasite grow inside them and then ruin their lives for 18+ years. That's awful.

Imagine your parents referring to you as a parasite.

Also, principle* unless you're talking about your debt or investments

Oh thanks, phone typing 😅

You realize, though, that while that may be scientifically a fact, mentioning that in casual conversation will cause people to bristle at you, regardless of their religious affiliation

Totes, I'm not winning hearts here, I'm an asshole. I know it.

Shit welcome home then fam

I'm just an asshole who dislikes Christians more than muslims. Mostly due to proximity.

From a factual standpoint, Muslims in $CURRENT_YEAR do more harm to innocents than Christians do worldwide

Imagine your parents referring to you as a parasite.

I doubt much imagination is necessary.

Imagine your parents referring to you as a parasite.

Some people don't have to imagine.

https://youtu.be/lwDPZFaP_dc

Yeah so just take away that humans life away instead right? Not like it was your fault that life came into being right? Bitch just randomly showed up in you with no cause! While we are at it, just kill off all old and disabled people being fucking parasites in society ruining our lives for the remainder of their lifespan.

/s

Not a person, fetus. o7

No one should be forced to have a fucking parasite grow inside them

Human offspring aren't "parasites," and characterizing human gestation that way is the worst kind of moronic hyperbole. In biology/ecology, parasitism is a non-mutual relationship between species, where one species, the parasite, benefits at the expense of the other, the host. A parent and child have a common goals: the child's survival and continuation of genetic lineage. A host and parasite have a fundamental disagreement about the desirability of the parasite's continued survival.

I think that accurately describes my stance on the subject.

Christ, I hate both of you but I think Cucks is coming across as less of a cunt right now. This is new.

Have you considering become a serial rapist/killer?

but I need to worry about my ability to have an abortion

I'm sure that will be allowed in the Caliphate.

It won't be allowed under the fundie Christian rule either lol... priorities mofo

Yes but fundie Christians are powerless to stop anything AND not killing people. Fundie Christians are on the decline population wise, unlike Muslims.

You are worried about an old threat and can't see the new one.

Who do you think is pushing these anti abortion laws? The gay discrimination laws? It's not Islam.

I get your point that Islam could be a problem in the future. But we have real problems with Christians right now.

Who do you think is pushing these anti abortion laws?

You can push whatever you want sugar, its not happening.

The gay discrimination laws?

If you mean not letting guys with dicks use the womens bathroom I'm a fundie then.

But we have real problems with Christians right now.

No, you really don't. You have run out of things to fight and are just trying to stay relevant.

And here is a newflash, you can be against BOTH groups. The fact that you aren't just shows the hypocrisy.

I don't like fundies either, but that doesn't mean I have to like the even worse take Islam has. Christian fundies aren't currently running slave markets, cutting of anyone's heads, murdering children, etc.

By idiot feminists, leftists, etc somehow trying to embrace Islam, it just shows how vapid the movements have become.

If you mean not letting guys with dicks use the womens bathroom I'm a fundie then.

Or a TERF. I mean, are you concerned about the bathroom rape epidemic or something?

Or just a dude who thinks dicks don't belong in the womens bathroom.

That's literally autism, dude. Like when your beliefs are not grounded in any sort of actions-consequences consideration, but literally "the rules are real and must be obeyed reeeee".

Autism. Believing that having a penis means something in relation to gender.

Xer, I have to disagree.

Autism. Believing that having a penis means something in relation to gender.

No, dropping tendies because WOMEN'S BATHROOMS ARE FOR WOMEN BY DEFINITION REEEEEE. And women are people with two X chromosomes, also by definition. And as a normie I can snarkily ask if the toilet paper dispenser performs some sort of a genetic analysis or something, but you don't even think in those terms, for you the world is full of overwhelming meaningless noise and you hold to any structure you can impose on it for your dear life. Women go to women's bathrooms, forks go to the second compartment, 10 GBP equal 12 tendies, any deviation IS NOT ALLOWED.

I'm not the one getting excited here. I think xer dropped their trendies.

I think you got a bit confused here, the all-caps statements in my comment weren't my opinions that I was passionate about, it was what I supposed were your opinions.

It's OK, just remember that you have a problem parsing complicated texts and figuring which things are supposed to happen in whose head. Just keep that in mind and try a bit harder next time.

it was what I supposed were your opinions.

Autism makes it very hard to judge other peoples feelings. Perhaps we are onto something here for you.

It also makes hard to judge your own feelings.

If I got your feelings wrong then what's the real deal?

HAHAHA YOU ACTUALLY THINK THAT UTILITARIAN/CONSEQUENTIALIST ETHICS ARE SUPERIOR TO DEONTOLOGICAL MORAL SYSTEMS HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Get a load of this guy, he believes in morals and ethics.

"hurr durr durr der r no morals it a hue-man construct it all b relative mite is rite XDDDD"

Looks like you're a low-iq faggot my friend!

I know which world I want to live in, between various worlds governed by different moral systems. For me, utilitarianism is grounded in that.

utilitarianism is grounded in faggotry and stupidity.

Arf arf ;-)

safe from what? You? You're a cutie

kys

I will in due time my friend, but that hasn't come yet

Check out Mr. Philosophy over here.

Oh no! Penises! In a bathroom! What else is going on outside in the world, are women showing their ankles?

If its not a big deal, then the penises can stay in the mens bathroom. See how easy that was to turn your own retarded statement against you?

The penises can go in any bathroom - they're fucking waste receptacles. Why do you care who pees where?

Yea just what I want in my bathroom, woman sized lines because there are no urinals. Fuck that noise. I have the superior pissing equipment, I'm not going to be forced to use a stall because someone thinks their penis is fabulous in a dress.

2017

claim to be man

not drinking your own pee for optimum water efficency

Tbh I'm more than happy to rape defenceless women in bathroom stalls

And that should be your god given right. I'm pretty sure it's in the bible somewhere.

Islam permits abortions tho.

Driving a truck at a pregnant woman really isn't an abortion bby

Can't really compare them. One is a little worse then the other. One you can actually protest and fight against

It's more feasible for me to protest anti abortion causes than it is for me to impact Islam. The best I could do is fight against us involvement.

I can protest and fight for what is impactful here. And for now that is removing Christian values from the public sphere. If that becomes Islam in the future, I'll be all aboard.

If you had to choose between protesting for abortion in America versus protesting honor killings in the middle east what do you choose?

Thats what I mean

I'd pick abortion.

Thats what I mean by non-comparable. Yes there are problems no doubt about it, but no where near as bad

But this is about what impacts us here, vs people elsewhere. The threat of reduced action to abortion, or contraception, or health care is more immediately impactful to the population here than the impact of Islam across the globe.

Right but you can shit on both and comment on one being worse then the other

Sure let's shit on both, but I sure do see a lot of focus on Islam and not a lot on Christianity 'round these parts.

Whenever I see people hounding on Christianity for politics, pedophile rings and other type of dumb shit they do I don't see what about Islam or thats Christianphobia.

Only with Islam that happens. Sorry you get shit on with the rest

I don't think anyone wants to stop you getting birth control just that everybody else has to pay for it.

Untrue, look into IUDs and their perception as causing abortion on the Christian Right.

Don't confuse "the Christian Right" with Catholics. Most protestants have no problem with birth control. Like dude said, I'm all for you having it, I just don't think I should be paying so you can have it when you should be taking care of it yourself.

I pay for your shit, why can't you help pay for mine?

What are you paying for that I'm getting that I'm not paying for myself?

We all pay for shit for one another, didn't mean you weren't paying for anything. It's like, I don't need a bunch of stuff because my job pays well but I still pay for it.

Most protestants have no problem with birth control.

And neither do most Catholics. The "Christian Right" is non-denominational crazy.

TBH, I don't honor killings and abortions are even on the same spectrum.

They are both basically ending someone's life.

Yup and both should be banned for that reason.

Wrong life brotato

I forgot that women die when they aren't allowed an abortion.

We lose our jobs, our financial independence, 9 months of our lives (at minimum) and potentially 18 years after that. Restriction of abortion access and restriction of birth control access has a clear goal, to force women from the public sphere.

We lose our jobs, our financial independence, 9 months of our lives (at minimum) and potentially 18 years after that.

Wew, lad. This is embarrassing even for a TwoXer.

We lose our jobs, our financial independence,

Besides the financial independence, this is all dumb. You won't lose you're job because of pregnancy. If you did, then there's a lawyer slobbering over such a juicy lawsuit.

9 months of our lives (at minimum) and potentially 18 years after that.

Lol you don't go into a coma.

restriction of birth control access

I support birth control.

Restriction of abortion access and restriction of birth control access has a clear goal, to force women from the public sphere.

This is about as stupid and insane as white supremacist saying something about Jewish lizard people trying to take over the world.

Seriously mate people lose their jobs over pregnancy all the time. And I don't want a fucking parasite in me for 9 months, let's be real. Forcing someone to carry something in their body that wreaks havoc on hormones and skin elasticity, that fucks with your ability to be rational, sounds fucking awful. I'd rather do just about anything else.

Seriously they don't.

parasite

Good memes mate.

I'd rather do just about anything else.

So you just kill the baby? Safe sex will protect you in the vast majority of cases. Just slap a condom on that schlong and you'll be fine.

I'd get an abortion yep. I'd liquefy that mass of cells in a heartbeat.

Glad to know you enjoy killing babies for your own selfishness.

Fetuses.

The only difference is location.

Not really, do some research

E D U C A T E Y O U R S E L F

But really, it doesn't matter what stage it is, it's a human and you've killed it.

Not really mate, seriously look it up.

Oh you're right. It's actually a dog. My bad.

It's a mass of cells.

So are you.

We're not all American and it's not a case of picking one over the other. In your comparison one religion is clearly a worse offender currently. Why try and pretend otherwise?

It's irrelevant to the immediate needs of people. Islam is not a political power in the US (unless you consider its ability to be used to scare voters). Why aren't people up in arms about the crazy shit christians are doing? What's with the Islam hate train?

Why aren't people up in arms about the crazy shit christians are doing?

Body count in Jesus's name has been low for a while.

If Christians start suicide bombing like radical Islamists do in the middle east then yes there will be a hate train.

Nah instead they just shoot civilians and drop bombs on family homes.

drop bombs where there had been terrorist activity

FTFY

Maybe the frequent acts of mass murder and terrorism? Christians are many things (few good), but they aren't shooting up gay clubs in the name of Christ

We're not all American and it's not a case of picking one over the other.

It's irrelevant to the immediate needs of people.

...and an incredibly convenient red herring that allows you to appear tolerant of a perceived minority. We get it.

Why are you concerned with not criticizing something because it's not a political power in the US?

Because it has become a rallying cry for assholes to avoid the issues with this country.

That's fine. Does that preclude you from saying Islam has a problem?

Islam like all religions is fucked up.

Stop pretending I like any religion, I don't.

You seem to be defending this one.

I don't think there's anything inherent in Islam that makes it worse, it's more the manifestation of Arab culture. But I bet you take issue with that, don't you? While decrying US Southern culture?

Projecting

No, I don't think you're projecting either culture. Maybe weird identity politics though.

identity politics

Strong memes

Did I just stumble upon one of those "SJWs don't exist" guys?

Prove it

What am I proving

That SJWs exist on the internet of course.

Nah

:(

You seem to like yours. Why are you loath to denounce Islam yet ready to denounce Christianity? Would it be an affront to party doctrine to be specifically critical of what is perceived as a brown person's religion? I suspect it would, which is why a silly, devout little she-brat like you balks at it.

I have no religion you goof ball.

They have their systematized fantasies, you have yours. Denounce Islam without mentioning another religion.

Why?

Good luck with your abortions.

Thanks!

most Americans are some form of Christian

Protestant "Christians"

However, if one feels that the criticism is a bit like throwing stones in a glass house it can be a useful tactic for attempting to help people realize that perhaps criticism of another religion without introspection with regards their own can be a bit of a silly act.

Yeah but this is still veering into ad hominem territory.

Except Twox already regularly allows criticism of conservative Christian attitudes and beliefs, yet deletes threads critical of the High Holy Muslim.

Because the purpose they're usually.posted for is simply to try to incite hatred and ultimately violence against all Muslims, not do anything that could materially further the interests of women.

Because the purpose they're usually posted for is simply to try to incite hatred (and ultimately violence) against all Muslims, not do anything that could materially further the interests of women, equality etc.

If your religion is so fragile words on the internet can destroy it, it deserves to be destroyed.

I wouldn't disagree.

Although I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said.

BUT HER EMAILS

i will never not upvote this

.but Hillary

Depends on the context. When the criticism is about voting for him in the first place, or issues with him, "but Hilary" is valid as she was the only other choice.

I voted Trump, but I'd have voted for a anyone before Hilary, so but Hilary is pretty much where I'm at in that respect.

Fuck you for not going third party, asshole. This was our year you absolute idiot.

If third parties were serious they wouldn't have wasted the real chance they had this year with Dr. Jill "WiFi causes cancer" Stein and Gary "What's a Leppo?" Johnson.

Trump looks like he eats sticks of butter every day. I'd still would've voted for Trump before Gary Johnson, but not before Gary Johnson made an honest mistake that he apologized for, but because who the fuck is Gary Johnson, and why would I vote for him? At least Trump would be (and is) our first definitely retarded president. The man can't put 10 words together without getting confused by them all. Trump was really the only choice this election.

I didn't vote at all, but who here wouldn't vote for the lardass who'll probably have a heart attack as he tells the king of Siam how many pussies he's looked at. If you frequent /r/drama and you didn't vote in the obvious worst choice (crazy Wifi Gramma is a pretty hilarious choice too, but not when you've been handed Trump), then shame on you.

Trump was the 2nd most likely candidate to shit his pants in office, and we couldn't have Bernie. If you're not swayed by the likelihood of a candidate's walking around on national television with an oily shit in his pants induced by two consecutive meals of just bars of butter, then you shouldn't even use this sub.

I have no idea what you're trying to say but I'll upvote it anyway.

tbh I just started writing and it didn't stop

This sub needs more effortposts tbh

shine on you crazy diamond

I understand why people see it as a derailing tactic, but in my experience people say that to make the point that since Christians can practice without being violent, demented fuckwads, Moslems can just as easily

like, Ireland and Northern Ireland were basically Middle Eastern shitholes until 20 years ago, and they managed to mostly turn that around

Usually the response to that christians practicing without violence. Thing is that it was not something sudden and took a long time of secular actions and a reformed church but as you said ireland was kinda shite pile so point is moot.

Ireland and Northern Ireland were basically Middle Eastern shitholes until 20 years ago

Lol wtf, Irish guy here, not art all true, it was bad at times but never middle eastern levels.

you ever been to jordan?

No, but i know enough about it and have lived in NI/REP to know that the two are not comparable.

Number of people killed by the Provisional IRA in Northern Ireland, 1971-1991: ~100

Number of people killed by the Provisional IRA in Jordan, 1900-Present: 2

You really moved the goalposts though.

First it was the 'Middle East', then you choose Jordan and an absurd metric...no shit people haven't been killed by the IRA in Jordan.

By that metric you could say Baghdad historically has been safer than Derry because it has less IRA violence...which is retarded.

But to use your own logic I submit that Ireland as a whole is safer than Jordan because unlike Jordan it has yet to suffer any Islamic State attacks.

fine, i'll adjust:

Number of people killed by the Provisional IRA and the Taliban in Northern Ireland, 1971-1991: 103

Number of people killed by the Provisional IRA and the Taliban in Jordan, 1900-Present: 4

fine, i'll adjust

That's dishonest.

Also the Taliban didn't rise to power until the late 80's after a long protracted CIA funded struggle against the Soviets.

Its only recently that Jordan has become involved in the war on Terror, which only became more pubic in 2010 after the death of a Jordanian agent in Afghanistan.

So first off Taliban attack Jordan makes no sense historically, considering the Taliban view the West as their prime enemies after the withdrawal of the Soviets.

Looking at Jordan without your narrow view, its been attacked multiple times by both Isil and Al-Qaeda in the past few years id bet if one were to bring all the numbers together they'd out-pace an almost defunct terrorist group.

ISIL's an outlier baby

check them stats by decade

ISIL's an outlier baby

Then technically so would the Taliban for a good 19 years of your new goalpost.

check them stats by decade

I have, Jordan doesn't appear in the 70's or 80's, in the nineties Ireland at its highest, is 1.19 not much higher than Jordans 1.04 (Jordan is also missing info on seven years).

In the 2000's Ireland is slighly higher at 1.97 to Jordans top of 1.91(again Jordan is missing 6 years).

In the 2010's Ireland has is incomplete while Jordan does not feature at all.

Not to mention these are homicide statistics which don't have breakdowns of which are terrorism related.

In all seriousness though, the murder rate was higher in those countries than most Middle Eastern countries in the 70s.

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You moved the goalposts again, for starters 20 years ago isn't the 70's, also your own source only has two countries which are both missing years and in one case(Lebanon) the murder rate is higher than Northern Ireland.

Plus, Iraq had just suffered a coup in the late sixties and the 70's would see Saddam's rise to power complete with assassinations.

Also Jordan had Black September in 1970, and the would wind up in Lebanon which would suffer a civil war in 1975.exiled Palestinian paramilitary elements

20 years ago isn't the 70s

it was 20 years ago

in one case the murder rate is higher

one out of what? 16?

that's not something to brag about

it was 20 years ago

No shit, you know basic math, fantastic, that's not your original assertion though.

that's not something to brag about

It still disproves you.

I didn't say "Northern Ireland was worse than EVERY middle eastern shithole."

It just has to be as bad as one shithole usually is

It just happened to be worse than most ME shitholes through most of the 70s so I jumped to that

I didn't say "Northern Ireland was worse than EVERY middle eastern shithole."

True, but '' Ireland and Northern Ireland were basically Middle Eastern shitholes'' isn't much better and can be interpreted many ways, given that much of the ME violence currently going on started to occur a good bit after 1970 I would say you original statement was misleading.

It just has to be as bad as one shithole usually is

Not as bad if the sources are accurate

It just happened to be worse than most ME shitholes through most of the 70s so I jumped to that

As I pointed out elsewhere you have yet to prove that and your own sources show that some ME countries are worse.

I'd say give up while you have your dignity but its too late for that and you'll probably make excuses and move the goalposts again.

When the choice is either or, it is a valid argument. Case in point, either Trump wins or Hilary wins.

It isn't an either-or here. Christianity has been part of the structure of the West for nearly 2000 years. Islam has been violently incompatible with the West for 1500 years.

We aren't choosing which religion to adopt; we are choosing whether to let this particular very, very bad one gain more influence over us.

And because of that I haven't said that Christianity/Islam is an either or choice

Top marks to you, then.

...then what was the purpose of your previous comment? I are confuzzled.

No? I said that the Hilary/Trump choice was either or.

I don't doubt it, but its no ground for discrimination based on race or ethnicity.

What I don't understand is why people keep bringing up Christianity, is it wrong to think that both religions should not exist and both can and have lead to many wars and deaths?

And this is the problem with the meme of Islamophobia... can't dare talk about these things they do, or we'll look like racists.

South park neutrals to the chambers first!

😉

is it wrong to think that both religions should not exist

It is a canard. Neither religion will stop existing. The only decision is whether to allow Islam to spread like cancer to the West.

Neither religion will stop existing.

no shit

The only decision is whether to allow Islam to spread like cancer to the West.

alt right pls go

pls go

It is my country, motherfucker.

Islam, go.

Oooh hardcore, too bad you have literally no influence on anything outside the boundaries of your mom's basement.

Islam, go.

It is a canard. Neither religion will stop existing.

Islam has a shit ideology.

Leftists have tears and tiny balls.

I have got a nation.

Islam has a shit ideology.

agreed, doesn't mean you have the right to stop people from believing in it

I have got a nation.

ok

Dolt-left plz go.

What did you mean by this? I wouldn't even consider myself left but ok

If you aren't left, then stop talking like a dolt whose shit is all cucked up.

Ugh, you need to be gassed goy

Seems like you forgot about the Constitution.

The Constitution is very sexist and racist. Commies told me so.

Oooh hardcore, too bad you have literally no influence on anything outside the boundaries of your mom's basement

I have a vote, and I actually use it unlike many leftists.

I lean right, so my vote and yours aren't gonna be too different bb

i'm actually more surprised that it wasn't a total shit fest. There were plenty of highly upvoted reasonable comments denouncing their behavior

/u/Setzer83 : Wanna get sticky? How does one criticize this without being an Islamophobe?

Then why is it OK to criticize Christian beliefs?

Ironic when you think about how both are sand people religions. Maybe all Islam needs to do is convert all white people like how Christianity did and then they can finally have a reformation.

Apparently it got sticky. Also, what's WASIS?

Ahhhhh, I see. Well, you choose your religion, but not your race.

And yet that fact is very quickly and conveniently forgotten by the noisiest part of the left every single time Islam is criticized for being all it was originally envisaged to be: a rather violent and domineering, patriarchal, tribalistic instrument of control and conquest.

This is why we need mayocide.

MRAs should all become Muslim and give TwoX all the culturally enriching undocumented fornication they are so ambivalent about.

Kebabocide now.

All peoples deeply deserve eradication. Except maybe for roof koreans.

Nah, they'll just go last

If bleeding hearts think modern Muslims are culturally deranged, they should do some research on the stone age indigenous cultures that they're always whinging about. It's time to bring back colonialism.

https://snew.github.io/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/696p3r/majority_of_arab_men_think_womens_right_place_is/

So you don't have to deal with that "UNSAFE SITE" bullshit

Pretty much the same. My husband is Lebanese and catholic. His dad regularly beats his mum, makes all the decisions and when he wants sex she has to drop what she is doing and obey, even in the middle of the day. My sister in laws are both working until they find husbands to support them (and probably all of the above).

Lebanese views towards women role in the society is actually very liberated compared to other Muslim majority countries. check the full results here http://imagesmena.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/04/IMAGESMENA-2017-FULL-Final.pdf

/u/MarcelJarcel Fucking Christ can you be anymore tone deaf?

User literally posted her husbands experience within his Lebonese family and you disregard it with a fucking PDF.

You're a moron of the highest order.

how did i discard it ? i was just replying to her first statement, which was

Pretty much the same

i didn't imply that her experience isn't real by any means

/u/rembrant11

You're right religion was backwards in many horrible ways, but bullshit if you want to deny that Christianity didn't bring any innovation of it's own.

It was the rise of Protestantism by Martin Luther that severely hurt the power of the Catholic Church over Europe. He did what he did because he felt Catholicism had gone against God. His religion helped him fight against the tyranny of the Vatican, this allowed your fucking "Separation of Church and State" to even fucking happen.

Darwin's belief in God and the freedom of man influenced his theory of Evolution.

You've got a lot more to thank Christianity for than you think.

Muslims dont deny the gays cakes. Your move, christians.

Why?

Islamophobe (is-slahm-o-fobe) - Someone who is not Muslim that knows more than they are supposed to know about Islam.

Not so bad