What are you talking about, Benoit Hamon was the socialist party cantidate? Macron is in En Marche and most socialist ont like him ( though he was a member for 3 years).
Macron was a member of the socialist party (PS) since he was 25, for the presidential election he choosed to go solo. In France if you want to go in politics young you have to choose between the left (PS) and the right (UMP)
There is nothing in common between Mitterand and Macron. Macron is worst. Mitterand was not a nazi and didn't gave jews to the nazis. It was just to point the irony of mayopeopletwitter. ;)
they source everything to legitimate data, no academic journal is going to publish an article which explicitly shows that race and crime are correlated even after controlling for socioeconomics
You're deluded if you don't think there is a strong progressive bias in the social sciences which carries with it implicit bans by denying funding, tenure, employment, conference invitations and publishing to those that defy it.
Also I wasn't talking IQ, I was talking about race and crime which is an even more provocative subject
It's more of a consequence of the fact that education and progressivism have a direct correlation (outside of rich reactionaries because reactionary politics benefits the rich)
You could use that argument to defend any dominant ideology which suppresses ideas it disagrees with, and science isn't about accomplishing things, it's about discovering the truth. And on that note, what has progressive "science" accomplished. Affirmative Action was advocated for with "scientific" projections and time tables that said racial gaps in achievement would vanish, but that hasn't happened at all.
Progressivism is wildly opposed to the idea of genetically influenced group behavior and mental ability, that doesn't stop that from being reality though. What I'm saying is that from looking at the data and the studies where they control away socioeconomic factors there is probably a genetic component to the racial differences in violent crime, but they're not allowed to explicitly say it, all of these studies on the subject end with the same gap even after a ton of effort was put in to explain it all away and still they can't. If you know of one that can fully/mostly explain the gap in violent crime please link it.
Well, as long as we're agenda-posting, as far as I could read, neither of your sources account for the fact that black people are more likely to go to prison for the same crime as white people, and studies similar to yours that do account for this find a correlation between social class and crime
Fuck you that study didn't account for that at all, you didn't even fucking read and neither did anyone that upvoted you, all that study did was show that in Columbus Ohio, in 1990, with their disadvantage index model (WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT BLACKS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE CONVICTED) that a neighborhood's "disadvantage index" is more predictive of crime than how black it is but how black the neighborhood was is still correlated with crime.
key quote >extremely poor black tracts have a violent crime rate that is 6 per 1,000 higher
than in white areas of extreme poverty. There are race gaps of 5 per 1,000 within
both high and low poverty areas. Yet among either white or black neighborhoods
the violent crime gap between low and extreme poverty is much larger
at 16 and 17 per 1,000 for white and black communities, respectively.
Ah, sorry, I linked Krivo and Peterson (1993) instead of (2000), my bad. Here's the proper study.
The important bit, from the conclusions: "Overall, these findings imply that if blacks and whites held similar positions in relation to structural disadvantage, differences in criminogenic factors would operate similarly for the two groups."
You seem pretty mad about the idea that black people aren't lesser, though, tbqh
thats a graph that uses their "disadvantage index" which has a whole controlled variables thrown in and they still can't even come close to accounting for the difference in homicide rate, that bit from the conclusion is conjecture and isn't supported by the study they themselves made
they use homicide rate in this graph rather than violent crime and it produces an even more striking difference
How is the graph misleading? Look at it again and see that giant gap between black and white homicide rate even at the exact same "Concentrated Disadvantage Index". If there are more factors they wanted to control for which they address in their conclusion, they've had 17 years since this one to do it. Where is that study? I honestly would be curious to see it. But you can't fucking just say, here's our study where we control for socioeconomics and still find huge black white homicide rate differences and then in the conclusion go "that's definately explained by some other factors". You have to have a study that accounts for those factors and shows that there is indeed no difference because this shows the opposite. You're a bunch dishonest pricks.
By contrast,
whites generally live in communities
with a lower prevalence of violence-producing
factors.
Is this what you're talking about? You realize the x-axis already included a bunch of things into their disadvantage index to produce that graph, if there is a study that accounts for more and produces different results I'd love to see it.
You're not reading the studies, you're lying about their contents
Lol so because you're a half-step removed from flat out advocating for phrenology and I call that out, I'm now a geocentrist despite having never said anything even remotely resembling that. Maybe you should cool yourself off with one of them yogurt enemas that were all the rage when your racial philosophy was en vogue.
Pretty sure living in a "black neighborhood" is less dangerous than being your neighbor. I predict you'll blow yourself up within the next week, either by meth-manufacturing mishap or when you fail to read a DIY bomb-making tutorial correctly.
Last note: should you do eventually pull off whatever domestic white nationalist terrorist act you're masturbating at the moment, we'll probably not even remember you being on here. You're that goddamned unremarkable.
Why do you put "black neighborhood" in quotes, do you think they're not a real thing? Are you that stupid/sheltered? Do you have anything that refutes my points or do you just get a SJ hard on from mindlessly insulting people.
France was on my list of travel destinations but my wife and I don't travel to Muslim countries and so we had to take it off the list. Enjoy Macron, France.
Someone knows how to slap a blue haired hornet's nest and run very effectively.
I dunno, dude deleted almost his entire post history because someone called him on it. That's more like slapping a hornets nest then cutting your balls off because they got snagged on a tree branch as you were running away.
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n/a MyrLeaf 2017-05-09
Reminder that Le Pen father served in the resistance and never denied the shoa ;)))
n/a ucstruct 2017-05-09
What are you talking about, Benoit Hamon was the socialist party cantidate? Macron is in En Marche and most socialist ont like him ( though he was a member for 3 years).
n/a MyrLeaf 2017-05-09
Macron was a member of the socialist party (PS) since he was 25, for the presidential election he choosed to go solo. In France if you want to go in politics young you have to choose between the left (PS) and the right (UMP)
n/a ucstruct 2017-05-09
He obviously disagreed enough to strike out on his own. Lumping him in with Mitterrand is kind of a stretch.
n/a MyrLeaf 2017-05-09
There is nothing in common between Mitterand and Macron. Macron is worst. Mitterand was not a nazi and didn't gave jews to the nazis. It was just to point the irony of mayopeopletwitter. ;)
n/a birdboy2000 2017-05-09
Why'd he switch sides?
n/a 22limes 2017-05-09
u/PM_ME_48HR_XBOX_LIVE
u r wrong
https://randomcriticalanalysis.wordpress.com/2015/11/16/racial-differences-in-homicide-rates-are-poorly-explained-by-economics/
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/race-poverty-and-crime/
n/a DeepDickedHillybilly 2017-05-09
LEGITIMATE SOURCES
n/a 22limes 2017-05-09
they source everything to legitimate data, no academic journal is going to publish an article which explicitly shows that race and crime are correlated even after controlling for socioeconomics
n/a thefran 2017-05-09
That's why the bell curve was published and widely debated, right?
n/a 22limes 2017-05-09
What journal was the bell curve published in?
n/a thefran 2017-05-09
You don't understand much about science, right?
n/a 22limes 2017-05-09
You don't understand that academia, especially the social sciences, rigidly adhere to progressive ideology
n/a thefran 2017-05-09
n/a 22limes 2017-05-09
You're deluded if you don't think there is a strong progressive bias in the social sciences which carries with it implicit bans by denying funding, tenure, employment, conference invitations and publishing to those that defy it.
Also I wasn't talking IQ, I was talking about race and crime which is an even more provocative subject
n/a thefran 2017-05-09
It's more of a consequence of the fact that education and progressivism have a direct correlation (outside of rich reactionaries because reactionary politics benefits the rich)
n/a 22limes 2017-05-09
You could use that argument to defend any dominant ideology which suppresses ideas it disagrees with, and science isn't about accomplishing things, it's about discovering the truth. And on that note, what has progressive "science" accomplished. Affirmative Action was advocated for with "scientific" projections and time tables that said racial gaps in achievement would vanish, but that hasn't happened at all.
Progressivism is wildly opposed to the idea of genetically influenced group behavior and mental ability, that doesn't stop that from being reality though. What I'm saying is that from looking at the data and the studies where they control away socioeconomic factors there is probably a genetic component to the racial differences in violent crime, but they're not allowed to explicitly say it, all of these studies on the subject end with the same gap even after a ton of effort was put in to explain it all away and still they can't. If you know of one that can fully/mostly explain the gap in violent crime please link it.
n/a Ad_Hominemus 2017-05-09
IIRC they had a hard time finding a publisher for the book
n/a khanfusion 2017-05-09
"mostly be scholars who didn't bother to read it"
Muh oppression
n/a Ad_Hominemus 2017-05-09
Are you making fun of the concept of oppression, sir? thats highly insensitive. Check your privilege, pls
n/a TheTigheGuy 2017-05-09
Well, as long as we're agenda-posting, as far as I could read, neither of your sources account for the fact that black people are more likely to go to prison for the same crime as white people, and studies similar to yours that do account for this find a correlation between social class and crime
n/a 22limes 2017-05-09
Fuck you that study didn't account for that at all, you didn't even fucking read and neither did anyone that upvoted you, all that study did was show that in Columbus Ohio, in 1990, with their disadvantage index model (WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT BLACKS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE CONVICTED) that a neighborhood's "disadvantage index" is more predictive of crime than how black it is but how black the neighborhood was is still correlated with crime.
http://faculty.washington.edu/matsueda/courses/587/readings/Krivo%20Peterson%201996.pdf
key quote >extremely poor black tracts have a violent crime rate that is 6 per 1,000 higher than in white areas of extreme poverty. There are race gaps of 5 per 1,000 within both high and low poverty areas. Yet among either white or black neighborhoods the violent crime gap between low and extreme poverty is much larger at 16 and 17 per 1,000 for white and black communities, respectively.
n/a TheTigheGuy 2017-05-09
Ah, sorry, I linked Krivo and Peterson (1993) instead of (2000), my bad. Here's the proper study.
The important bit, from the conclusions: "Overall, these findings imply that if blacks and whites held similar positions in relation to structural disadvantage, differences in criminogenic factors would operate similarly for the two groups."
You seem pretty mad about the idea that black people aren't lesser, though, tbqh
n/a 22limes 2017-05-09
wtf is wrong with you this one also doesnt account for "that black people are more likely to be convicted for the same crime as white"
also if you actually look at the figures u see this again
http://imgur.com/a/mZGOY
thats a graph that uses their "disadvantage index" which has a whole controlled variables thrown in and they still can't even come close to accounting for the difference in homicide rate, that bit from the conclusion is conjecture and isn't supported by the study they themselves made
they use homicide rate in this graph rather than violent crime and it produces an even more striking difference
full study: http://libgen.io/scimag/ads.php?doi=10.2307%2F2657382&downloadname=
n/a TheTigheGuy 2017-05-09
That is a graph about how home ownership affects crime statistics, which they go into about why that graph is misleading lol
n/a 22limes 2017-05-09
How is the graph misleading? Look at it again and see that giant gap between black and white homicide rate even at the exact same "Concentrated Disadvantage Index". If there are more factors they wanted to control for which they address in their conclusion, they've had 17 years since this one to do it. Where is that study? I honestly would be curious to see it. But you can't fucking just say, here's our study where we control for socioeconomics and still find huge black white homicide rate differences and then in the conclusion go "that's definately explained by some other factors". You have to have a study that accounts for those factors and shows that there is indeed no difference because this shows the opposite. You're a bunch dishonest pricks.
n/a TheTigheGuy 2017-05-09
Read the area immediately below those graphs and you'll see it :)
n/a 22limes 2017-05-09
Is this what you're talking about? You realize the x-axis already included a bunch of things into their disadvantage index to produce that graph, if there is a study that accounts for more and produces different results I'd love to see it.
You're not reading the studies, you're lying about their contents
n/a khanfusion 2017-05-09
muh calipers for measuring bumps in the brainpan
n/a 22limes 2017-05-09
Muh earth is the center of the universe, why even believe astronomers about anything after they got it so wrong
n/a khanfusion 2017-05-09
Lol so because you're a half-step removed from flat out advocating for phrenology and I call that out, I'm now a geocentrist despite having never said anything even remotely resembling that. Maybe you should cool yourself off with one of them yogurt enemas that were all the rage when your racial philosophy was en vogue.
n/a 22limes 2017-05-09
Maybe you should move to a black neighborhood if they're so damn safe, they're much cheaper you know
n/a khanfusion 2017-05-09
Pretty sure living in a "black neighborhood" is less dangerous than being your neighbor. I predict you'll blow yourself up within the next week, either by meth-manufacturing mishap or when you fail to read a DIY bomb-making tutorial correctly.
Last note: should you do eventually pull off whatever domestic white nationalist terrorist act you're masturbating at the moment, we'll probably not even remember you being on here. You're that goddamned unremarkable.
n/a 22limes 2017-05-09
Why do you put "black neighborhood" in quotes, do you think they're not a real thing? Are you that stupid/sheltered? Do you have anything that refutes my points or do you just get a SJ hard on from mindlessly insulting people.
n/a Ad_Hominemus 2017-05-09
k.gif
n/a Ad_Hominemus 2017-05-09
Muh stephen jay gould, widely debunked but he comforts muh fee fees
n/a khanfusion 2017-05-09
"Widely debunked" K.gif
n/a Ad_Hominemus 2017-05-09
Its a paleontologist trying to critique psychometrics. I'd sooner listen to Dr. Phil than Gould on the subject.
n/a baaaaby 2017-05-09
w o r d p r e s s d o t c o m
n/a jPaolo 2017-05-09
"Something about black French"
"Well, akchully these statistics about Afro-Americans prove otherwise".
n/a CirqueDuFuder 2017-05-09
JPaulo, did you know the USA is an African country now?
n/a DennisRader 2017-05-09
>black
>French
choose one my friend
n/a jPaolo 2017-05-09
Or, you're one of those people...
n/a CirqueDuFuder 2017-05-09
Someone knows how to slap a blue haired hornet's nest and run very effectively.
n/a khanfusion 2017-05-09
I dunno, dude deleted almost his entire post history because someone called him on it. That's more like slapping a hornets nest then cutting your balls off because they got snagged on a tree branch as you were running away.
n/a TheGreatGod42 2017-05-09
What a faggot. He should be cadtrated for his faggotry.
n/a cruelandusual 2017-05-09
He's talking as if that isn't a real thing.
antifa = SHIELD
That explains the cosplay.
n/a xKillerDreag 2017-05-09
I fucking hate this site
n/a khanfusion 2017-05-09
/u/richard-io, explain this
/u/richard-io hastily deletes comment history
Are you always simultaneously retarded and a big fucking coward, or did you undergo training to be that pathetic?
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-09
Nazism is making real in-roads into France.
n/a Dial_A_Dragon 2017-05-09
/u/AnarcoDude
Don't compare your faggy college protest to men who actually fought and died in defense of their nation.