Being an 'illegal immigrant' is like downloading music or pissing in public. If you believe someone should be fired out of a cannon for such an offense, you're a humongous fucking moron.
No, actually, being an illegal immigrant is more like trespassing. Say someone trespasses on my property by entering my yard and starts living in my garden shed. They have no right to be on my property, and I've decided that I only want certain people on my property (i.e. my friends and family, not complete strangers). Is it unreasonable of me to ask him to leave? Is it unreasonable of me to force him to leave if he doesn't voluntarily?
It actually has nothing to do with race. I don't want people I don't know on my property regardless of whether or not they're white, brown, or whatever fucking color.
It's not your property dude. No one person gets to say who will reside and who will get deported. Undocumented immigrants commit less crimes on average than documented immigrants, yet you say you only want one...
In the analogy I was making, yes, it was my property.
And actually, yeah, one person does, in the case of America: The President of the United States. Who is elected by the people and therefore represents the majority's wishes. Therefore, the American people have decided that they want illegal immigrants out. The citizens of America "own" their country, do they not (at least, that's how its supposed to work in a democracy)? Therefore they have the right to decide who gets to stay and who has to leave.
one person does, in the case of America: The President of the United States
>mfw canuck and unironic trumptard tries to educate me in American politics
Stopped reading there. You have no clue how policies work in any form. Recall that in both instances when Trump tried to ban Muslims from entering the country federal courts clocked them. Clearly one person doesn't make all the decisions.
To answer that though, no, I don't have any black friends, because there aren't any black people where I live. I have Native American friends, Filipino friends, even a half-Mexican friend. It. Has. Nothing. To do. With. Race.
A country is not your private property. Also, this is like an AnCap invoking the NAP to be shitty.
Just because is some form of trespassing it doesn't make it right to use force in all cases. People should be more pragmatic and think when it makes sense.
No, a country is not my private property. But it could be argued that a country is the property of its citizens, in the case of a democracy. Illegal immigrants are not citizens, and thus they have no right to be in the country. At all.
The citizens of America have decided that you can only come onto their property if you go through the proper legal channels. This is essentially the same thing as me deciding I don't want people on my property unless I know them beforehand, because otherwise they might end up being a crackhead there to rob me. They could just be a passed out drunk homeless guy, but I don't want to take that chance and I don't particularly want either on my property anyway. Illegal immigration has no control - anybody can come in, including cartels, gang members and drug runners. And they come in in droves.
You are confusing the rule of law with morality. That they have the right doesn't mean that they are right.
US immigration system doesn't allow a lot of otherwise fit people to enter because of the retarded red tape, and deporting people that already have jobs is just dumb.
I'm not arguing for open borders (that's fairly utopian, maybe in the far future) but saying that just being an illegal is not reason enough to be deported and all arguments about trespassing ignore the outcome and the morality of such actions.
I can name places where it is legal to pirate music and piss in public. Can you name a place where it is legal to cross the border without authorization?
No visa is required. It depends if your country signed the Antartic's Treaty Protocol on Environment Protection. But if your country didn't, you can do what you want.
If you believe someone should be fired out of a cannon for such an offense, you're a humongous fucking moron.
I don't believe that, but I do believe it is also not something worth getting ourselves in a group and saying we should not give them proper legal consequence.
lol ice is so incompetent. like if you're gonna go around playing stasi at least make sure you can actually get your target, otherwise you're just gonna look fucking retarded, even to the people who get their rocks off to the thought of brown children crying
The hipsters have reached the age where they're shitting out hipsterlings en masse so now the only thing that matters is thinking of the children. In ten years they'll be rallying against the newest music trends and forms of entertainment because they don't want little Whisperwillow being brainwashed into liking things her parents don't like. If I'm wrong I'll literally kill myself, but if I'm right, everyone else has to kill themselves. Deal?
Something tells me /u/freespeechwarrior doesn't hold the same position on state's rights for things like gun control, gay marriage, tranny bathrooms, or minimum wage laws.
The Democrats are throwing a hissy fit because an unpopular Republican president wants to get rid of their cheap labor force. History doesn't repeat itself but it sure does rhyme.
There's difference between "people use smartphone form second-to last generation" shithole and "Chixago has more mrders than entire ~35 million country" shithole.
If I wanted to cross the Atlantic just to get robbed at gunpoint and mistreated by corrputed police I'd go to Mexico or Brazil.
Yeah but the reason for that is niggers, and luckily they are mostly contained in their ghettos. I'm sure the EU will be fucking your country up soon enough though. Accept those refugees or get sanctioned :DDD
I don't know what any of this has to do with Libertarians, but if you head over to their subreddit and read what gets posted when the issue of immigration pops up it's pretty clear that most of them are for open borders.
I like them just fine (except Islams, they have to be eradicated). What I don't like is globalists weaponizing immigration as a means to attack the values of my nation.
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n/a mydramaaccount 2017-05-15
Being an 'illegal immigrant' is like downloading music or pissing in public. If you believe someone should be fired out of a cannon for such an offense, you're a humongous fucking moron.
n/a Tobans 2017-05-15
I actually believe you should be dropped in international waters.
n/a FalmerbloodElixir 2017-05-15
No, actually, being an illegal immigrant is more like trespassing. Say someone trespasses on my property by entering my yard and starts living in my garden shed. They have no right to be on my property, and I've decided that I only want certain people on my property (i.e. my friends and family, not complete strangers). Is it unreasonable of me to ask him to leave? Is it unreasonable of me to force him to leave if he doesn't voluntarily?
n/a SpotNL 2017-05-15
Yes. We are just tenants on God's bountiful land. You can not claim ownership on something that rightfully belongs to no one and everyone.
n/a Tobans 2017-05-15
I threw my fedora off in disgust.
n/a SpotNL 2017-05-15
You feeling euphoric yet?
n/a Tobans 2017-05-15
Mine is the ideal opinion. You may not like it, but this is what peak Euphoria looks like.
n/a SpotNL 2017-05-15
I can imagine you stroking your beard while saying thatm
n/a Tobans 2017-05-15
I'm stroking my mind's beard, my intellect. Something a plebeian such as your self can't grasp.
n/a SpotNL 2017-05-15
I just trust that God guides us to our destination Β―\(γ)/Β―
My priest says you don't need smarts when you have God by your side.
n/a Tobans 2017-05-15
Fuck. I don't feel like playing fedora lord anymore.
n/a SpotNL 2017-05-15
That's why πfaithπ beats π©scienceπ© everyday
n/a Tobans 2017-05-15
Praise Allah to that.
n/a SpotNL 2017-05-15
β
n/a Tobans 2017-05-15
Bismallah
n/a LemonScore 2017-05-15
I bet that if someone used that argument to take your possessions from you you'd change your mind pretty quickly.
n/a SpotNL 2017-05-15
Betting is against my religion.
n/a Peetrius 2017-05-15
Ah, reminiscent of the days where only white people can be on our property, eh?
n/a FalmerbloodElixir 2017-05-15
It actually has nothing to do with race. I don't want people I don't know on my property regardless of whether or not they're white, brown, or whatever fucking color.
n/a Peetrius 2017-05-15
It's not your property dude. No one person gets to say who will reside and who will get deported. Undocumented immigrants commit less crimes on average than documented immigrants, yet you say you only want one...
n/a FalmerbloodElixir 2017-05-15
In the analogy I was making, yes, it was my property.
And actually, yeah, one person does, in the case of America: The President of the United States. Who is elected by the people and therefore represents the majority's wishes. Therefore, the American people have decided that they want illegal immigrants out. The citizens of America "own" their country, do they not (at least, that's how its supposed to work in a democracy)? Therefore they have the right to decide who gets to stay and who has to leave.
n/a Peetrius 2017-05-15
>mfw canuck and unironic trumptard tries to educate me in American politics
Stopped reading there. You have no clue how policies work in any form. Recall that in both instances when Trump tried to ban Muslims from entering the country federal courts clocked them. Clearly one person doesn't make all the decisions.
n/a strathmeyer 2017-05-15
Well do you have any black friends or not?
n/a FalmerbloodElixir 2017-05-15
Why in the fuck does that matter?
To answer that though, no, I don't have any black friends, because there aren't any black people where I live. I have Native American friends, Filipino friends, even a half-Mexican friend. It. Has. Nothing. To do. With. Race.
n/a strathmeyer 2017-05-15
Then why are you going on about the race of your friends??
n/a FalmerbloodElixir 2017-05-15
Because you asked?
n/a strathmeyer 2017-05-15
If I make you feel retarded, shouting it out just draws attention to it. Did you read up to check what we were talking about?
n/a Neronoah 2017-05-15
A country is not your private property. Also, this is like an AnCap invoking the NAP to be shitty. Just because is some form of trespassing it doesn't make it right to use force in all cases. People should be more pragmatic and think when it makes sense.
n/a FalmerbloodElixir 2017-05-15
No, a country is not my private property. But it could be argued that a country is the property of its citizens, in the case of a democracy. Illegal immigrants are not citizens, and thus they have no right to be in the country. At all.
The citizens of America have decided that you can only come onto their property if you go through the proper legal channels. This is essentially the same thing as me deciding I don't want people on my property unless I know them beforehand, because otherwise they might end up being a crackhead there to rob me. They could just be a passed out drunk homeless guy, but I don't want to take that chance and I don't particularly want either on my property anyway. Illegal immigration has no control - anybody can come in, including cartels, gang members and drug runners. And they come in in droves.
n/a Neronoah 2017-05-15
You are confusing the rule of law with morality. That they have the right doesn't mean that they are right. US immigration system doesn't allow a lot of otherwise fit people to enter because of the retarded red tape, and deporting people that already have jobs is just dumb. I'm not arguing for open borders (that's fairly utopian, maybe in the far future) but saying that just being an illegal is not reason enough to be deported and all arguments about trespassing ignore the outcome and the morality of such actions.
n/a Peetrius 2017-05-15
Calling blacks 3/5ths of a person was also the law too and we don't look too fondly at that law.
Fuck off back to /r/The_donald, don't you have a refugee to skin or something?
n/a FalmerbloodElixir 2017-05-15
What a great argument you have!
n/a Peetrius 2017-05-15
Sorry rapefugee is that the correct terminology you guys use?
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
My country is my home.
Not your country is not your home, and you can be told to get the fuck out.
n/a Neronoah 2017-05-15
I can be told to get the fuck out but it doesn't make you any less stupid nor right.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
You Have To Go Back
n/a Neronoah 2017-05-15
This retardedness is why Trump won.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
HELL YEAH!
n/a pigeondoubletake 2017-05-15
n/a nanonan 2017-05-15
I can name places where it is legal to pirate music and piss in public. Can you name a place where it is legal to cross the border without authorization?
n/a SpotNL 2017-05-15
Antartica.
n/a nanonan 2017-05-15
There is disputed territory there, but no unclaimed territory. So no.
n/a SpotNL 2017-05-15
Who is gonna stop me tho?
n/a nanonan 2017-05-15
Just because nobody stops you doesn't mean you aren't committing an illegal act.
n/a SpotNL 2017-05-15
No visa is required. It depends if your country signed the Antartic's Treaty Protocol on Environment Protection. But if your country didn't, you can do what you want.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
Let's send 6 million Islams and Mexicans to Antarctica and see how quick that changes.
n/a SpotNL 2017-05-15
I'm not even sure what you are trying to say, beside sperging over mexicans and "islams". But please continue.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
kys/get out
n/a SpotNL 2017-05-15
Good one.
n/a BigDaddy_Delta 2017-05-15
Penguins are known rapists, you should not give them a excuse
n/a JohnBlind 2017-05-15
Known rapees aswell tho
It's like prison, it levels out
n/a jPaolo 2017-05-15
Countries do have claims but they have agreed not to enforce any of them. So you're wrong as long as the treaty holds.
n/a Dial_A_Dragon 2017-05-15
There is also a little unclaimed territory left over, twixt the boundaries of NZ's and Chile's claims.
n/a MajorButthurt 2017-05-15
cool, lets hand out sweaters and deport them there
n/a Pepperglue 2017-05-15
I don't believe that, but I do believe it is also not something worth getting ourselves in a group and saying we should not give them proper legal consequence.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
Being an 'illegal immigrant' is like pissing in my living room and I will fire you out of a fucking cannon after I fire you with a cannon.
n/a glmox 2017-05-15
lol ice is so incompetent. like if you're gonna go around playing stasi at least make sure you can actually get your target, otherwise you're just gonna look fucking retarded, even to the people who get their rocks off to the thought of brown children crying
n/a snallygaster 2017-05-15
Given that the people in charge think it's a good idea to deport illegal parents and drop the kids in foster care, idk if they're competent enough to see how incompetent ICE is.
n/a SpectroSpecter 2017-05-15
The hipsters have reached the age where they're shitting out hipsterlings en masse so now the only thing that matters is thinking of the children. In ten years they'll be rallying against the newest music trends and forms of entertainment because they don't want little Whisperwillow being brainwashed into liking things her parents don't like. If I'm wrong I'll literally kill myself, but if I'm right, everyone else has to kill themselves. Deal?
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
Sounds like a win-win.
n/a FTFallen 2017-05-15
Something tells me /u/freespeechwarrior doesn't hold the same position on state's rights for things like gun control, gay marriage, tranny bathrooms, or minimum wage laws.
Just a hunch.
n/a Dial_A_Dragon 2017-05-15
'I haven't seen Democrats get this salty since the GOP freed their slaves'
n/a content_gator 2017-05-15
The Democrats are throwing a hissy fit because an unpopular Republican president wants to get rid of their cheap labor force. History doesn't repeat itself but it sure does rhyme.
n/a SovietWarfare 2017-05-15
That's always my go to, along with "Democrats seem to be pretty hateful, no wonder they started the KKK"
n/a Betterdead_denred 2017-05-15
REEEEE
THE PARTIES SWITCHED IT WASNT REAL REEEE
n/a Senator_Chickpea 2017-05-15
Solution: Send in agents aged 18 to 21.
n/a donaldthelion 2017-05-15
Huh I had no idea if was free, I was under the assumption It was paid for by taxpayers of the district.
n/a jPaolo 2017-05-15
Just shoot the child and lure parents with the corpse. It's not like anyone expects more from US law enforcement.
Also, quite funny how all those freedom lovers suddenly have no problem with blind submission to authority.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
"Authority" is trying to flood our nation with obedient third-world peasants, you numpty.
n/a jPaolo 2017-05-15
USA doesn't make sense.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
Then quit coming here. :-D
n/a jPaolo 2017-05-15
I don't visit 3rd world countries so I've never been to USA.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
Continue to not come here.
n/a jPaolo 2017-05-15
Enjoy your school shootings.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
Um, those are cultural enrichment, you fucking Islamaphobe.
n/a jPaolo 2017-05-15
how burger2burger shootings are enriching?
or maybe youre talking about enriching children's bodies with lead
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
God is just, merciful.
n/a jPaolo 2017-05-15
whatever works for you
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
Submit to Islam!
n/a jPaolo 2017-05-15
no thanks
n/a Betterdead_denred 2017-05-15
Don't you live in Poland?
n/a jPaolo 2017-05-15
Do you need to be reminded the definition of "visit"?
n/a Betterdead_denred 2017-05-15
I mean, you live in a shithole, even a minor upgrade shithole would be better.
n/a jPaolo 2017-05-15
There's difference between "people use smartphone form second-to last generation" shithole and "Chixago has more mrders than entire ~35 million country" shithole.
If I wanted to cross the Atlantic just to get robbed at gunpoint and mistreated by corrputed police I'd go to Mexico or Brazil.
n/a Betterdead_denred 2017-05-15
Yeah but the reason for that is niggers, and luckily they are mostly contained in their ghettos. I'm sure the EU will be fucking your country up soon enough though. Accept those refugees or get sanctioned :DDD
n/a jPaolo 2017-05-15
Yeah, the big one is called "United States of America".
Aaaaaany second now.
n/a Betterdead_denred 2017-05-15
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/787554/eu-poland-hungary-accept-more-migrants-leave-the-bloc-quotas-beata-szydlo-viktor-orban
n/a jPaolo 2017-05-15
Guantanamo Bay will be closed sooner.
n/a Betterdead_denred 2017-05-15
i hope so at least there are some non cucked countries in europistan
n/a Peetrius 2017-05-15
Libertarians: It's the LAW! illegals need to be deported!
Also Libertarians: Weed is arbitrarily illegal and I'll smoke it no matter what the law said.
n/a ChipChippersonAMA 2017-05-15
Nobody will ever accuse libertarians of being smart
n/a jubbergun 2017-05-15
I don't know what any of this has to do with Libertarians, but if you head over to their subreddit and read what gets posted when the issue of immigration pops up it's pretty clear that most of them are for open borders.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
Degenerate globalists: "We need more business regulations and safety controls!"
Degenerate globalists: "We need to eliminate trade regulations and border controls!"
Degenerate globalists: "We need to entitlements and voting rights!"
Degenerate globalists: "We need to eliminate the national borders within which we exercised our entitlements and voting rights!"
n/a Peetrius 2017-05-15
M-muh globalist boogeyman. Immigrants will take my jobs!
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
Degenerate globalists: "Nationalism is evil!"
Degenerate globalists: "Degenerate globalists are a myth!"
n/a Peetrius 2017-05-15
Imagine being this delusional where your empathy doesn't reach beyond arbitrary lines on a map.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
Imagine being a delusional hippie.
n/a Peetrius 2017-05-15
TIL wanting to give jobs to Mexicans= Hippie
Any other knowledge you can bestow upon me? Oh wise /r/The_Donald user?
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
lol
n/a Peetrius 2017-05-15
>not knowing how to green text
No one said Trump supporters were smart
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
n/a Peetrius 2017-05-15
Why do you hate the global poor?
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
I like them just fine (except Islams, they have to be eradicated). What I don't like is globalists weaponizing immigration as a means to attack the values of my nation.
n/a smokedetective 2017-05-15
Awww is triggered whitey libertarian have his fee fees hurt that brown are working higher paying jobs than him?
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
lol
lol
lolol
n/a smokedetective 2017-05-15
confirmed triggered. poor whitey. It's okay. The brown people don't bite.
n/a Cloacalla_Festival 2017-05-15
n/a Going_up_the_Country 2017-05-15
Is that place actually named The School of Heroes?