Fuckers who don't vote and then piss and moan should be sent to my house so I can personally staple their genitals to the trees in my woods. I don't tnk it would make people vote more, but i do think that it would make a great conversation piece.
"What's that pitiable sobbing?"
"Oh, you'll like this, my husband, thesnake has been working on a project..."
Same. No application needed, you just need to type your address in and it'll mail the ballot directly to you. They still complain that it's too hard to vote and we should automatically register everybody the DMV thinks is alive.
u/AnotherPersonPerhaps if we listen to the scientists it's too late anyway besides the agreement has no teeth anyway. Flipping out about this is like flipping out about any other U.N resolution totally retarded. I'm 2020 they are going to come back and find none of the countries met their goal and they will all promise to do it by 2025. The hundred billion isn't going to happen either and if it did it's better to invest in technology that could mitigate the temperature change.
You mean a problem that's caused by engineering can, will, and should be solved by engineering? That's absurd. Just sin tax everyone and the apocalypse will be averted.
Shocking right if your terrified about global warming then you should think we reached the tipping point anyway so curbing emissions will what help 10% where a technological solution could solve the problem.
2016: heh well we had a good run but the climate is permanently fucked i'm so glad i never had children no reason to bring more people into the world to experience the extinction of the human species
2017: heh well we had a good run but as of today the climate is permanently fucked i'm so glad i never had children no reason to bring more people into the world to experience the extinction of the human species
$10 says that none of these people actually understand what the Paris Agreement does and are just shitting a brick because it's related to climate change, one of the holy issues of teen and 20-something stereotypical nerds on Reddit (the others are weed legalization, net neutrality, and free college). If they bothered to read what it actually does they'd realize it's another toothless political pledge that would have very little effect for the intended goal if enacted.
I always go to Chapell to be a role model in cocaine usage and mental breakdowns. This very weekend I'm planning on making a scene on a plane before going to live in Africa.
There's a thread on news about this right now and it's pretty clear that most people have no idea what it says. There's a minority that are trying to respond with 'well actually it...' but most comments are repeats of this:
"He's doing this to "protect American citizens". I don't feel protected. I'm more scared now than ever."
Because I guess earth was paying attention and now will simultaneously blast every volcano in response in some misguided 21 gun salute.
Chapter 13 paragraph 4 states that "any party thereof which emits more than seven metric tonnes of carbon per capita shall be subject to not more than 3 (three) sanctions per year". What's a sanction? Look at chapter 2, paragraph 1, 'definitions and consequences of sanction'. Specifically the part where it says "a sanction is an informal reprimand". That means that even if you're a member of the paris accord, you're under no obligation to obey it.
Furthermore, according to chapter 12, paragraph 6, "the target reduction in carbonne emissionnes whither eache involved kontrie sett et oun ruule þa wæs agangen geara hwyrftum tu hund ond þreo geteled rimes, swylce XXX eac, þinggemearces, wintra for worulde, þæs þe wealdend god 5acenned wearð, cyninga wuldor,
in middangeard þurh mennisc heo, soðfæstra leoht."
tl;dr nothing is going to come of any of this, so calm down
I never thought I would see the day where American kids were talking about "How amazing and wonderfully green China is compared to the USA!"
Dude, have these guys ever been to China? The air in Beijing alone is like a mix of spit, black smoke and diarrhea mixed all together in some kind of gravy like substance.
As ridiculously corrupt as the Chinese government is, they know how to play Westerners right. Considering that they had a direct hand in prettying up Mao's crimes and purges, it's not surprising they'd be able to transfer that into making propaganda and Potemkin villages to fool Westerners dissatisfied with the state of the West.
Let's be honest, playing Western media (and especially overprivileged Western college kids) isn't exactly difficult. The Khmer Rouge was able to fool these people for years.
Managing to convince their populace to cheer on the government was a much bigger accomplishment than tricking a bunch of baizuo.
I literally saw one earlier today on askreddit, said something about how china is backing up it's alliances in the pacific while the US is pulling away from the TPP and how China is the 3rd nation to go to the moon (about 60 years too late lmao)
I wasn't asking you but since he knows so much about the air quality in Beijing I'd assume he'd have a hunch of the most basic metric for emissions used?
Yes I don't think comparing US emissions to Chinese emissions are good either, but since /u/Neon_needles was doing it he should be open about how they actually stack up. Comparing to the European Union would make more sense right? Do you want to look up the numbers or should I?
I see no problem with the comparison but using per capita is pretty disingenuous.
Do you prefer cumulative emissions?
but the claim that China is now a paradigm of emission reduction and environmentalism is as hilarious as it is flawed.
Always changing the topic to how bad China is in order to defend American destruction of our earth is also hilarious and flawed. I even checked the comment section of the r/politics thread linked and there's no mention of china...
how bad China is in order to defend American destruction of our earth is also hilarious and flawed
It's almost like China's Greenhouse gas emission is supposed to reach 5 times Americas tearing a hole that makes everything America does for the Environment pointless.
I was being unironic, I've watched the show and it does a good job of explaining why heating water is bad and Venice even if it does a bad job of explaining Nuclear power or Refreezing or any other ways to try and prevent Global Warming that would be a great idea to talk about.
I bet you don't even have a 10cent return like I do you barbarian.
Why would real Environmentalists be concerned about all causes of global warming when they can jerk off about how bad Amerifats are like you.
Here's how I see the discussion so far:
Donald Trump pulls out of Paris climate agreement thread linked here. /u/Neon_needles lol why they saying china better than US
Me compare china to the US /u/Eternal_Mr_Bones that's a bad comparison
Me yes it is a bad comparison, lets compare the US to something else /u/Eternal_Mr_Bones Its a bad method not bad comparison. China bad.
Me okay lets use another method. Either way you're the one who brought up china. /u/Imgur_Lurker Why do you only talk about how bad the US is.
It's almost like China's Greenhouse gas emission is supposed to reach 5 times Americas tearing a hole that makes everything America does for the Environment pointless.
So because China is going to catch up to American emissions per capita America should stop caring about their own emissions, and everyone else should care more about China than the US, even when the topic is about American politics?
The Paris Climate Agreement was an agreement to get everyone together to solve this issue. Donald pulls out because he wants to win the agreement, why wouldn't China follow suit and stop caring about its emissions as well? Do you see how even if we agree that China is of greater concern, Donnies pull out game is still bad for everyone?
Interesting way to read me saying 5 times, why did you change it to catch up and per capita when I said nothing of the sort?
It's the same projection expressed in two different ways. Are you saying my way of putting it is incorrect and yours is correct?
Global Warming is solely an American problem now?
Daddy donnie withdraws from paris climate accord was the original topic of this thread.
HAHAHA you actually think China cares about its emissions my sides.
Ok, so lets assume they don't care. You seem to agree climate change is a threat and you seem to care about emissions. What do you think Trumps pull out signals to China? What do you think it signals to the rest of the world?
Neon Noodles brought up China because he's making fun of the retards in the linked thread, as is tradition.
There's 68 comments in the thread, none of them mention China. If you wanna make fun of the retards how about you link the comments and tag the users and not argue against straw men like a
I get it you are upset people are talking about the country that's predicted to be twice as bad for the Earth as America instead of making fun of Drumpf
Catch up means to accelerate your pace to another , not overtake them by a factor of 5. I was only talking about one specific Gas tho
If we don't measure per capita we can use the Vatican States emissions as a target, rather than China or the US.
China, do you remember the Olympics there?
So you want to talk about history but not cumulative emissions?
And yet here you are defending China and capslocking out of impotent rage.
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I get it you are upset people are talking about the country that's predicted to be twice as bad for the Earth as America instead of making fun of Drumpf
I'm not defending China, I'm making fun of retarded rednecks who use third world countries to set the bar for their domestic policy.
If you don't measure per capita you measure by total amount you total dolt.
Yes. And the US will be infinitely worse than the Vatican state, how are you not getting this?
Why are you so assblasted that China is bad for the environment?
*I'm assblasted they're used as an excuse for awful US policy.
*
I linked you China's predicted Emissions you retard.
That was in reply to Chinas olympic games, which you brought up and I explicitly quoted right above the sentence and you still couldn't understand the concept.
No you are just willfully ignorant about China and need to inform yourself because this is just a pathetic boring waste of my time.
Maybe if you stop pulling numbers out of your ass ("...supposed to reach 5 times Americas...") I'll learn something, you even changed it yourself to 2 times.
Your chosen metrics are awful for comparing emissions. Yes China are emitting more and will continue to emit more, they're almost 4 times as many people, but how can you argue that a Chinese person have less "claim" on emissions than an American?
How do you think Trump pulling out of the agreement affects Chinas willingness to start working on its own reductions?
And you're still ignoring CUMULATIVE EMISSIONS which is just as valid as a metric as total yearly emissions are, is that because the concept is too complicated or too uncomfortable? Better yet what about cumulative emissions per capita, even more complicated concept and even more uncomfortable for Americans to discuss.
No dude tell me more about how China isn't as bad as everyone says it is because it's full of people and how you don't know what nitrous oxide is it's so entertaining and you aren't showing how autistic you are at all.
Yeah but China has three times as many people. Also being an advanced first world economy you get to do tons of fun stuff like outsource your manufacturing emissions to China and then sell them filthy coal and claim the emissions belong to them.
On top of this America and other first world countries aren't at similar levels of pollution because we kind of moved pass that phase of industrialization. So we're shitting on countries going through the exact growing phase we went through and shitting on them for it while financially incentivizing them to do it.
Yes I don't think comparing US emissions to Chinese emissions are fair either, but since /u/Neon_needles was doing it we should look at the numbers. Comparing to the European Union would make more sense right? Do you want to look up the numbers or should I?
per capita is a nice way to put it but its not really helpful in prioritizing action
in australia we have one of the highest per capita rates of carbon production yet we account for less than 1% of the worlds output
even if we removed all carbon output, crippling ourselves economically, it wouldnt help and very likely one of the other developing nations would pick up the slack
at this point there is literally no way to reduce carbon emissions than to utterly fuck over china and india
at this point there is literally no way to reduce carbon emissions than to utterly fuck over china and india
India? India is at fucking half of the US yearly emissions, and ~12% of per capita, but India is the country that should be utterly fucked over, rather than the US?
Lets hope they continue to not deny humanities role in climate change and keep being part of the global agreement combating it even though other super powers aren't.
The Paris agreement was essentially "Hey you're going to this inevitable location, but just to be sure, shoot yourself in the foot so there is no absolute possible way you deviate from said inevitable path."
Renewables are inevitable, emission cutting is inevitable. Why comply with an agreement that had no real teeth?
I like how the divergence in predictions starts in 2014, and how all of them start out with a spontaneous downward trend after two years of increase. Also the part where there was apparently a big reduction under Dubya but you'll never see Republicans get credit for that.
Or maybe, just maybe, the market is naturally moving that way through natural capitalist progression?
So why abandon the agreement if the market is already taking care of it? Maybe just maybe the market isn't enough? Maybe just maybe politics affect the market and decides which direction is more profitable?
I would recommend you to try it. Virtue signaling/pretending that I don't hate everyone and care about what the world will look like in a 100 years has gotten me laid several times.
I have a fucking job. Although I wish I could get paid to sit on my fatass and shitpost on Reddit all day like yourself. You see, what I do actually contributes something of value to humanity. We both know that whatever you do carries no real value.
Why would an shipping company invest in cleaner vehicles, or a power plant invest in ways to reduce emissions? To me it seems it'll only cost them money.
it makes virtue signaling leftists feel like they are doing something good, while the rest of people don't give a fuck, and just use their services out of convenience. win win.
With regard to power plants, they get old, they need to be rebuilt. That costs money. Different types of plants cost different amounts especially when you factor in the variety of government regulation.
Some states (the ones with a lot of natural gas) subsidize power companies to push them to use their own local resources.
So in turn its cheaper to build a new natural gas plant than a coal plant. This results in reduced pollution but not because that was the goal, the goal was make more money (both for the company and the government). Due to subsidies provided to Oil&Gas in the US it is now (and has been for the past 10-20 years) significantly cheaper to buy and burn Natural Gas rather than Coal or heavy fuel oil.
Shipping companies still, by and large, use heavy fuel oil because its cost effective, safe to store, and easily acquired. They reduced pollution by 1. building larger ships with more efficient engines (so one ship carries the load of 2 or 5) 2. using standardized containers (allowing for more efficient storage and processing) 3. GPS navigation to reduce distance
Yeah, took them slobbering over "cofveve" memes after they realize Trump actually is doing something bad (even if not as much, because why bother with UN?)
Maybe if you guys aren't making a huge deal over inane shit like ice cream scoops, we wouldn't have this situation.
Well you said "trump actually is doing something bad" which led me to believe you think the Paris Accords have merit. As such I was curious as to what "situation" you had envisioned as a result of our non-participation in those reindeer games.
I'm not trying to get your goat or anything... unless, of course, you have a goat and good condition.
wew the thread is what I about expected: people frothing at the mouth cuz Trump did something and they don't know what that something, but fuck it gotta screech at Trump for something.
Seize the private jet and the yacht of Elon Musk, you fucking lefties.
If the 7 billions humans lived like the average american we would need 3 planets earth to support our lifestyle. Good that Bill Gates keep medeling with the explosive demography of Africa.
So, if according to all of these comments it was a "toothless piece of paper", why the fuck would he waste so much god damn time trying to renegotiate or pull the US out of it?
I would love to get input from anyone on this. Opposing views are most welcome. I have done some research and these are my thoughts on the matter.
Thanks.
I think there are some reasonable and not partisan reasons for not being a part of this pact.
Also Trump has said that we are pulling out and we are looking to re-enter only after a better deal is negotiated.
I have looked over the what's available on the agreement at length and I do feel it's very one sided in it's beneficiaries.
Let me preface I am well aware of the carbon cycle and the dangers of ongoing pollution. I am a fan of renewables. Elon musk is one whom I look up to in many ways. We are on our way to a renewable energy economy /society and I cannot wait for that.
I am against fracking. I owned a house in Texas and can tell you the earthquakes are related. I also recently began the process to get solar on my grandmothers house in southern New Jersey.
We do however have to keep our nation growing and running during the intermittent time.
The specifics off this agreement would be very bad for the United States from an economic and jobs. Standpoint.
Some of the negatives are as follows:
According to a recent hertiage foundation study the cost of electricity for the average family of four will increase between 13-20 % annually.
The restrictons would result in an estimated 2.7 million jobs in the next decade as reported by bloomberg.
The $ cost would be nearly $3,000,000,000,000.00 loss of wealth for the US In the same timeframe as reported by the same bloomberg article
Other countries (China as an example) will be allowed to continue their current production and emissions levels (in fact in can increase) until 2030
This would kill many US industries.
Coal
Concrete
Paper
General Manufacturing
Textiles
And others.
This so would negativily effect all the auxiliary services fed by these industries. Costing hundreds of thousands of additional jobs.
This would at the same time be providing all the economic benefits to nation's that are not our true allies. This includes more purchases of oil and gas from many Arab nations which have been tied to finding extremist activity. This loss of income for foreign nations is also really good leverage in negotiations.
US GDP would fall by an estimed $2,500,000,000,000.00 by 2035.
Via atr.org
India and several others nation's going to accord are contingent on American foriegn aid funds of $100,000,000,000.00.
The restrictions on energy would slow / keep economic growth in the 1.9-2.1 % GDP range via business insider.
We would also be forced to pay a premium for help fuel from other nations and would become more and more dependant on them.
Additionally, similar to the TPP members of other Nations would have considerable leverage and control over the direction of our country by having strong influence over our energy control. This is a vulnerability that could leave us open.
Additionally we are the largest spending nation on renewables in the world. We have an ever expanding tax credit program to the tune of over $10,000,000,000.00 annually for consumer renewables. We have a long way to go but we are heading in that direction. Generation is cheap enough now. Once storage is adaquete we should see a continuing massive shift towards renewables.
In conclusion I am all for an agreement that helps protect our country and planet. I can't wait for the day where cost of travel and living plumet for nearly everyone due to renewable energy.
It is already starting. We do however have to be pragmatic and make sure that we don't lose our place as a nation. We can't plunge millioms of our citizens into poverty and destitution during the process. We have to be pragmatic about it and not simply act on ideology.
Anyways that's what I took away from my reading and those are my thoughts hope it's helpful guys.
We need a fucking massive depopulation program, starting with the third world countries. Pay them to ligature their balls. Only way to avoid castrophic failure of the entire human race.
Well it's a pretty radical idea but I think that prioritizing to combat climate change over economic growth is the only rational, moral and ethical policy if you acknowledge climate change is a real threat caused by GHG emissions. These economic consequences are so drastic because the US has refused to acknowledge climate change since forever. If the reform could've started under Bush, Clinton or even Bush Sr. it wouldn't be that expensive.
ITT: le enlightened SP neutral centrists calling out ignorant leftist kiddos for complaining about shit they know jack about. when they themselves are utterly unable to make a proper argument beyond the occasional edgy snarky comment.
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n/a carkidd3242 2017-06-01
US is litarly a failed state giys, just look at our economy!
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
OH NO! The rest of the world is upset with us! How ever will we recover?
n/a godofdae 2017-06-01
Time to kill ourselves.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
Better make that order 2 dozen Krispy Kremes.
n/a MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-06-01
Civil War 2.0 now!
n/a jubbergun 2017-06-01
FTFY
n/a TheButtholeOfBravery 2017-06-01
MAYOCIDE HAS ARRIVED AT LONG LAST WICKED SINNERS!!!!!
THE BLOODLETTING WILL COMMENCE!!!!
n/a thesnakeinthegarden 2017-06-01
70% of the USA is also upset with us.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
Maybe they should have voted.
n/a thesnakeinthegarden 2017-06-01
Fuckers who don't vote and then piss and moan should be sent to my house so I can personally staple their genitals to the trees in my woods. I don't tnk it would make people vote more, but i do think that it would make a great conversation piece.
"What's that pitiable sobbing?"
"Oh, you'll like this, my husband, thesnake has been working on a project..."
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
But voting is hard. I'd have to get up and leave my house. Maybe even have to get a bus with the <others>. You know they let white males ride the bus?
Probably better stay home and crypost online about all the oppression I might have faced.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-06-01
My State mails the fucking thing to your house and 1/5 still didn't vote.
n/a im-a-koala 2017-06-01
Same. No application needed, you just need to type your address in and it'll mail the ballot directly to you. They still complain that it's too hard to vote and we should automatically register everybody the DMV thinks is alive.
n/a subpoutine 2017-06-01
/u/AnotherPersonPerhaps, winning the kys comment of the day.
n/a Zappert 2017-06-01
Lol I'm getting downvoted for my comment making fun of him, r/politics is racist you heard it here first.
n/a purplepilled3 2017-06-01
I mean according to them its the equivalent of armageddon and a nuclear winter so its not like slavery is better than that.
n/a neutralvoter 2017-06-01
two weeks ago reddit never heard of the Paris Climate Accord. Today it's the last thing standing between us and catastrophic earthwide collapse.
Bunch of speds I tell ya.
n/a grungebot5000 2017-06-01
"I never heard of it, which means no one has"
somebody elect this man
n/a donaldthelion 2017-06-01
u/AnotherPersonPerhaps if we listen to the scientists it's too late anyway besides the agreement has no teeth anyway. Flipping out about this is like flipping out about any other U.N resolution totally retarded. I'm 2020 they are going to come back and find none of the countries met their goal and they will all promise to do it by 2025. The hundred billion isn't going to happen either and if it did it's better to invest in technology that could mitigate the temperature change.
n/a godofdae 2017-06-01
You mean a problem that's caused by engineering can, will, and should be solved by engineering? That's absurd. Just sin tax everyone and the apocalypse will be averted.
n/a donaldthelion 2017-06-01
Shocking right if your terrified about global warming then you should think we reached the tipping point anyway so curbing emissions will what help 10% where a technological solution could solve the problem.
n/a 30blues 2017-06-01
dude, haven't you seen an inconvenient truth????? Educate yourself shitlord
n/a Nomadlads 2017-06-01
Wew lad
n/a SpectroSpecter 2017-06-01
2016: heh well we had a good run but the climate is permanently fucked i'm so glad i never had children no reason to bring more people into the world to experience the extinction of the human species
2017: heh well we had a good run but as of today the climate is permanently fucked i'm so glad i never had children no reason to bring more people into the world to experience the extinction of the human species
n/a Matues49 2017-06-01
It's pretty difficult to see anything when you've spent most of your life living in a hut over at Hicktown, Meth County.
n/a SpectroSpecter 2017-06-01
I hope you realize you're speaking to the former CFO of amazon.com?
n/a godofdae 2017-06-01
$10 says that none of these people actually understand what the Paris Agreement does and are just shitting a brick because it's related to climate change, one of the holy issues of teen and 20-something stereotypical nerds on Reddit (the others are weed legalization, net neutrality, and free college). If they bothered to read what it actually does they'd realize it's another toothless political pledge that would have very little effect for the intended goal if enacted.
n/a donaldthelion 2017-06-01
It's another useless U.N. non binding resolution
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=084irEAQrLQ
n/a grafton29 2017-06-01
Yes, i always go to Chappell to understand the finer points of politicking and intenational relations.
n/a MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-06-01
I always go to Chapell to be a role model in cocaine usage and mental breakdowns. This very weekend I'm planning on making a scene on a plane before going to live in Africa.
n/a thesnakeinthegarden 2017-06-01
I mean, if you are gonna have a cocaine fueled meltdown, his was pretty well handled.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
Well you clearly don't go to school so I was just trying to appeal to the internet generation.
n/a TheButtholeOfBravery 2017-06-01
they expressed deep concern at all the mayos polluting the earth.
n/a CompetitiveLoiterer 2017-06-01
Or the League of Nations
n/a neutralvoter 2017-06-01
There's a thread on news about this right now and it's pretty clear that most people have no idea what it says. There's a minority that are trying to respond with 'well actually it...' but most comments are repeats of this:
"He's doing this to "protect American citizens". I don't feel protected. I'm more scared now than ever."
Because I guess earth was paying attention and now will simultaneously blast every volcano in response in some misguided 21 gun salute.
n/a Hellkyte 2017-06-01
That would actually be pretty baller.
n/a IvankaTrumpIsMyWaifu 2017-06-01
We could build the wall out of lava.
Or at least the moat.
I LIKE IT
n/a LadyVetinari 2017-06-01
we deserve it tbh
n/a GoMLism 2017-06-01
Explain the finer details for us.
n/a neutralvoter 2017-06-01
go fuck yourself that's your finer detail
n/a Nomadlads 2017-06-01
Hmm...Interesting.
n/a SpectroSpecter 2017-06-01
Alright, you ready to get educated? Here we go.
Chapter 13 paragraph 4 states that "any party thereof which emits more than seven metric tonnes of carbon per capita shall be subject to not more than 3 (three) sanctions per year". What's a sanction? Look at chapter 2, paragraph 1, 'definitions and consequences of sanction'. Specifically the part where it says "a sanction is an informal reprimand". That means that even if you're a member of the paris accord, you're under no obligation to obey it.
Furthermore, according to chapter 12, paragraph 6, "the target reduction in carbonne emissionnes whither eache involved kontrie sett et oun ruule þa wæs agangen geara hwyrftum tu hund ond þreo geteled rimes, swylce XXX eac, þinggemearces, wintra for worulde, þæs þe wealdend god 5acenned wearð, cyninga wuldor, in middangeard þurh mennisc heo, soðfæstra leoht."
tl;dr nothing is going to come of any of this, so calm down
n/a GoMLism 2017-06-01
lol
n/a purplepilled3 2017-06-01
reddit is such trash lmao
n/a Hammer_of_truthiness 2017-06-01
Lmao fucking roddit omg ugh redditeurs so gross
n/a MG87 2017-06-01
Lulz Voat iz bettur
n/a captainpriapism 2017-06-01
but however will the world survive without a non binding agreement wherein america gives people a bunch of money???!??
n/a hereandnowhehe 2017-06-01
Pretty sure this applies more to fatty in the White House and his fans who know literally fuck all about the issue
n/a Neon_needles 2017-06-01
I never thought I would see the day where American kids were talking about "How amazing and wonderfully green China is compared to the USA!"
Dude, have these guys ever been to China? The air in Beijing alone is like a mix of spit, black smoke and diarrhea mixed all together in some kind of gravy like substance.
n/a godofdae 2017-06-01
China gives out the right propaganda and American kids will slobber their knob.
n/a SnackBier 2017-06-01
They do have lots of useful idiots doing free PR for them though.
When they decide the erect a few solar panels it's all over media, HN, reddit, ....
All those coal fired power plants they're building - eh who cares about them.
Good old "as long as you pretend to be commies you can do pretty much anything and western intelligentsia will defend you".
n/a MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-06-01
When they're building solar panels they're communist. When they fire up the coal stations it was never real communism.
n/a donaldthelion 2017-06-01
They've been building at least 2 coal plants a month for years
n/a godofdae 2017-06-01
As ridiculously corrupt as the Chinese government is, they know how to play Westerners right. Considering that they had a direct hand in prettying up Mao's crimes and purges, it's not surprising they'd be able to transfer that into making propaganda and Potemkin villages to fool Westerners dissatisfied with the state of the West.
n/a -absolutego- 2017-06-01
Let's be honest, playing Western media (and especially overprivileged Western college kids) isn't exactly difficult. The Khmer Rouge was able to fool these people for years.
Managing to convince their populace to cheer on the government was a much bigger accomplishment than tricking a bunch of baizuo.
n/a 18aidanme 2017-06-01
I literally saw one earlier today on askreddit, said something about how china is backing up it's alliances in the pacific while the US is pulling away from the TPP and how China is the 3rd nation to go to the moon (about 60 years too late lmao)
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
Could you remind me, what's the US emissions per capita compared to China emissions per capita?
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-06-01
you think I know that off the top of my head?
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
I wasn't asking you but since he knows so much about the air quality in Beijing I'd assume he'd have a hunch of the most basic metric for emissions used?
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-06-01
the only emissions I know anything about are the emissions from my buddy steve's cock onto my wife's fat tits on friday nights
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
Tell me more, are the tits 100% cotton or synthetic fibers?
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-06-01
Not sure what you're trying to imply friendo
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
That he's never seen 3d tits IRL.
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-06-01
3D tits are overrated anyway
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
I was implying I'm a waifu-pillow connoisseur.
n/a Eternal_Mr_Bones 2017-06-01
Our per capita is only high because we have higher QoL and don't have a bunch of peasants living in huts.
Meanwhile China is at double US CO2 emissions on a country by country basis.
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
Yes I don't think comparing US emissions to Chinese emissions are good either, but since /u/Neon_needles was doing it he should be open about how they actually stack up. Comparing to the European Union would make more sense right? Do you want to look up the numbers or should I?
n/a Eternal_Mr_Bones 2017-06-01
I see no problem with the comparison but using per capita is pretty disingenuous.
n/a Neon_needles 2017-06-01
I should have made a joke about bathing and India, imo
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
Do you prefer cumulative emissions?
Always changing the topic to how bad China is in order to defend American destruction of our earth is also hilarious and flawed. I even checked the comment section of the r/politics thread linked and there's no mention of china...
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-06-01
It's almost like China's Greenhouse gas emission is supposed to reach 5 times Americas tearing a hole that makes everything America does for the Environment pointless.
n/a Matues49 2017-06-01
Damn burh, you're spazing out on every Donnie-related post here. Chill a bit.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-06-01
> Caring about the Environment and acknowledging how it needs to be a global effort
> Lol look at this Trump supporter spazing out.
K
There's this little known show called Bill Nye Saves the world that explains Global Warming, maybe you should watch it.
n/a Matues49 2017-06-01
Man, you people really can't let that one go.
But, by all means, spaz away.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-06-01
I was being unironic, I've watched the show and it does a good job of explaining why heating water is bad and Venice even if it does a bad job of explaining Nuclear power or Refreezing or any other ways to try and prevent Global Warming that would be a great idea to talk about.
I bet you don't even have a 10cent return like I do you barbarian.
n/a jubbergun 2017-06-01
Bill Nye the Sex Junk Guy has a TV show?
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
Here's how I see the discussion so far:
Donald Trump pulls out of Paris climate agreement thread linked here.
/u/Neon_needles lol why they saying china better than US
Me compare china to the US
/u/Eternal_Mr_Bones that's a bad comparison
Me yes it is a bad comparison, lets compare the US to something else
/u/Eternal_Mr_Bones Its a bad method not bad comparison. China bad.
Me okay lets use another method. Either way you're the one who brought up china.
/u/Imgur_Lurker Why do you only talk about how bad the US is.
So because China is going to catch up to American emissions per capita America should stop caring about their own emissions, and everyone else should care more about China than the US, even when the topic is about American politics?
The Paris Climate Agreement was an agreement to get everyone together to solve this issue. Donald pulls out because he wants to win the agreement, why wouldn't China follow suit and stop caring about its emissions as well? Do you see how even if we agree that China is of greater concern, Donnies pull out game is still bad for everyone?
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-06-01
Interesting way to read me saying 5 times, why did you change it to catch up and per capita when I said nothing of the sort?
Global Warming is solely an American problem now?
HAHAHA you actually think China is good for the environment my sides.
Neon Noodles brought up China because he's making fun of the retards in the linked thread, as is tradition.
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
It's the same projection expressed in two different ways. Are you saying my way of putting it is incorrect and yours is correct?
Daddy donnie withdraws from paris climate accord was the original topic of this thread.
Ok, so lets assume they don't care. You seem to agree climate change is a threat and you seem to care about emissions. What do you think Trumps pull out signals to China? What do you think it signals to the rest of the world?
There's 68 comments in the thread, none of them mention China. If you wanna make fun of the retards how about you link the comments and tag the users and not argue against straw men like a
PUSSY
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-06-01
Catch up means to accelerate your pace to another , not overtake them by a factor of 5. I was only talking about one specific Gas tho
http://climateactiontracker.org/countries/china.html
I also said nothing about per capita.
And yet here you are defending China and capslocking out of impotent rage.
It's China dude.
China, do you remember the Olympics there?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerns_and_controversies_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics#Environmental_and_health_issues
I get it you are upset people are talking about the country that's predicted to be twice as bad for the Earth as America instead of making fun of Drumpf
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
If we don't measure per capita we can use the Vatican States emissions as a target, rather than China or the US.
So you want to talk about history but not cumulative emissions?
I'm not defending China, I'm making fun of retarded rednecks who use third world countries to set the bar for their domestic policy.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-06-01
If you don't measure per capita you measure by total amount you total dolt.
Why are you so assblasted that China is bad for the environment?
I linked you China's predicted Emissions you retard.
Dude you really need to read up on China.
No you are just willfully ignorant about China and need to inform yourself because this is just a pathetic boring waste of my time.
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
Yes. And the US will be infinitely worse than the Vatican state, how are you not getting this?
*I'm assblasted they're used as an excuse for awful US policy.
*
That was in reply to Chinas olympic games, which you brought up and I explicitly quoted right above the sentence and you still couldn't understand the concept.
Maybe if you stop pulling numbers out of your ass ("...supposed to reach 5 times Americas...") I'll learn something, you even changed it yourself to 2 times.
Your chosen metrics are awful for comparing emissions. Yes China are emitting more and will continue to emit more, they're almost 4 times as many people, but how can you argue that a Chinese person have less "claim" on emissions than an American?
How do you think Trump pulling out of the agreement affects Chinas willingness to start working on its own reductions?
And you're still ignoring CUMULATIVE EMISSIONS which is just as valid as a metric as total yearly emissions are, is that because the concept is too complicated or too uncomfortable? Better yet what about cumulative emissions per capita, even more complicated concept and even more uncomfortable for Americans to discuss.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-06-01
You are the only one talking about the Vatican
You've invented China being used as an excuse for "awful" US Policy
Why are you mentally Ill enough to want a random redditors hot take on how China will react to USA withdrawing?
You have no idea what Numbers I'm talking about but I'm not surprised you think i've "invented them"
2 seperate groups of Numbers you complete retard lol
You know there is more then one type of Greenhouse Gas Rofl
No wonder you sperg out you can't understand basic topics.
Do I look like a foreign policy adviser?
Capslocking and bolding just shows you are a child who gets emotional when you can't understand the conversation.
Feel free to keep bringing up things I'm not talking about and accusing me of using "strawmen" as you REEEE about Americans lol
Boring and clichéd
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
nice trolling I'll stop now.
n/a Imgur_Lurker 2017-06-01
No dude tell me more about how China isn't as bad as everyone says it is because it's full of people and how you don't know what nitrous oxide is it's so entertaining and you aren't showing how autistic you are at all.
n/a Hemingwavy 2017-06-01
Yeah but China has three times as many people. Also being an advanced first world economy you get to do tons of fun stuff like outsource your manufacturing emissions to China and then sell them filthy coal and claim the emissions belong to them.
n/a kapparappatrappa 2017-06-01
On top of this America and other first world countries aren't at similar levels of pollution because we kind of moved pass that phase of industrialization. So we're shitting on countries going through the exact growing phase we went through and shitting on them for it while financially incentivizing them to do it.
n/a captainpriapism 2017-06-01
turns out theres quite a few chinese people
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
Yes I don't think comparing US emissions to Chinese emissions are fair either, but since /u/Neon_needles was doing it we should look at the numbers. Comparing to the European Union would make more sense right? Do you want to look up the numbers or should I?
n/a captainpriapism 2017-06-01
per capita is a nice way to put it but its not really helpful in prioritizing action
in australia we have one of the highest per capita rates of carbon production yet we account for less than 1% of the worlds output
even if we removed all carbon output, crippling ourselves economically, it wouldnt help and very likely one of the other developing nations would pick up the slack
at this point there is literally no way to reduce carbon emissions than to utterly fuck over china and india
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
India? India is at fucking half of the US yearly emissions, and ~12% of per capita, but India is the country that should be utterly fucked over, rather than the US?
n/a Neon_needles 2017-06-01
Ya cuz they shit in the streets and fueled by black plague and rape.
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
no kink shaming bro
n/a Neon_needles 2017-06-01
No prepare to die.
n/a captainpriapism 2017-06-01
pretty sure theyre going to develop at some point though
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
Lets hope they continue to not deny humanities role in climate change and keep being part of the global agreement combating it even though other super powers aren't.
n/a purplepilled3 2017-06-01
Tankies
n/a MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-06-01
Are you trying to get them off?
n/a captainpriapism 2017-06-01
wasnt too long ago the media was full of alarmist articles about how fucked chinas air is
remember that whole thing where they had a lcd billboard with a blue sky on it because you couldnt see the actual sky
n/a fingerpaintswithpoop 2017-06-01
lol yes.
n/a MG87 2017-06-01
The fucking Olympic athletes had to wear respirators when they trained for the Bejing games
n/a Neronoah 2017-06-01
Chinese government is investing in the proper stuff because their cities are cyberpunk shitholes.
China deserves some praise for that.
n/a Zappert 2017-06-01
Bonus threads bc r/politics is too retarded to do a megathread: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6eoq33/trump_to_order_withdrawal_from_paris_climate/
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6ep320/watch_live_trump_on_paris_climate_accord/
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/6eozvt/live_statement_from_trump_on_the_paris_accord_in/
n/a RestoreFear 2017-06-01
Can't wait to get my job at the coal mines back!
n/a ChateauJack 2017-06-01
80% of the commentors have no idea what those Paris Climat Accord are.
Actually, most couldn't even pin point Paris on a map.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
East Texas!
n/a Hellkyte 2017-06-01
Near Palestine right?
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-06-01
and there's an Iraan in West Texas
n/a Hellkyte 2017-06-01
Too bad no one gives a flying fuck about west Texas.
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-06-01
I mean, it's a literal desert
n/a Hellkyte 2017-06-01
When the highlight of your 8 hour drive is an Allsups you know you are in West Texas.
n/a LadyVetinari 2017-06-01
At least it's not the panhandle tho
n/a Hellkyte 2017-06-01
That's not a real place
n/a LadyVetinari 2017-06-01
thank god
n/a ironicshitpostr 2017-06-01
ICBM Coordinates: 48.8566° N, 2.3522° E
n/a thesnakeinthegarden 2017-06-01
pretty sure, that includes here, as well.
n/a Accardi_Don 2017-06-01
The Paris agreement was essentially "Hey you're going to this inevitable location, but just to be sure, shoot yourself in the foot so there is no absolute possible way you deviate from said inevitable path."
Renewables are inevitable, emission cutting is inevitable. Why comply with an agreement that had no real teeth?
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
Yes why reduce emissions?
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
Are you aware that US emissions are currently below levels measured 5 years ago?
What do you think caused that?
Was it due to pieces of paper inked in Europe?
Maybe Heir Merkel stopped eating so much saurkraut and reduced the amount of farts she released from her megahole?
Or maybe, just maybe, the market is naturally moving that way through natural progression?
n/a NotYetRegistered 2017-06-01
Who was in charge 5 years ago?
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
In charge of what?
n/a NotYetRegistered 2017-06-01
Climate policy.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
You think "climate policy" was the reason? You sweet summer child.
n/a NotYetRegistered 2017-06-01
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/ClimateGoals_comparison-wide.png
n/a zahlman 2017-06-01
I like how the divergence in predictions starts in 2014, and how all of them start out with a spontaneous downward trend after two years of increase. Also the part where there was apparently a big reduction under Dubya but you'll never see Republicans get credit for that.
n/a IvankaTrumpIsMyWaifu 2017-06-01
Oh look, it's is retarded.
n/a NotYetRegistered 2017-06-01
You big meanie.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
Ya after clicking on his username I realized I got took.
n/a IvankaTrumpIsMyWaifu 2017-06-01
Bamboozled
n/a PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-06-01
US Shale Oil Exports
n/a Hellkyte 2017-06-01
Democrats?
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
Wow.
n/a Hellkyte 2017-06-01
Actually that isn't fair. EPA was a republican innovation.
n/a grungebot5000 2017-06-01
one of the seven pillars of nixon
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
So why abandon the agreement if the market is already taking care of it? Maybe just maybe the market isn't enough? Maybe just maybe politics affect the market and decides which direction is more profitable?
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
Why would I agree to pay you money in order for me to do work?
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
Because the work involves cleaning Donalds ass with your tongue.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
What's it like living life choosing to be retarded?
I mean an actual retard has no alternative frame of reference whereas someone like you does.
I'm honestly curious.
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
I would recommend you to try it. Virtue signaling/pretending that I don't hate everyone and care about what the world will look like in a 100 years has gotten me laid several times.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
Pretending is the mark of the feckless.
n/a Silented 2017-06-01
You need to honestly blow your brains out you clueless myopic fucking stain on humanity.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
Oh boo-hoo! How about you get a job?
n/a Silented 2017-06-01
I have a fucking job. Although I wish I could get paid to sit on my fatass and shitpost on Reddit all day like yourself. You see, what I do actually contributes something of value to humanity. We both know that whatever you do carries no real value.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
Someone is mad they make minimum wage but console themselves with the idea that selling burgers "contributes" to humanity.
I'm sorry I'm smart enough to make 6 figures and can spend my time shit posting on dumb fucking leftists like yourself.
n/a Silented 2017-06-01
You're trying way too hard now. You need to be more creative I think.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
Right, right you were only pretending.
Head on back to the /r/pics sandbox where you belong.
n/a Silented 2017-06-01
</3
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
100% agreed
n/a PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-06-01
I'd love to see these emission numbers.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
They've been linked in this thread.
n/a glmox 2017-06-01
this is unusually retarded even for you
n/a thesnakeinthegarden 2017-06-01
It was the inevitable resurgence of coal.
n/a hereandnowhehe 2017-06-01
fuck is that
n/a SpotNL 2017-06-01
Didn't Obama introduce a lot of new rules to curb emissions?
I'm not sure if relying solely on the market is wise anyway. What short-term incentive would they have on their own?
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
Obama did introduce new rules but the majority don't go into effect until 2020.
The market has the same incentive is always has, money.
n/a SpotNL 2017-06-01
Why would an shipping company invest in cleaner vehicles, or a power plant invest in ways to reduce emissions? To me it seems it'll only cost them money.
n/a missmurrr 2017-06-01
it makes virtue signaling leftists feel like they are doing something good, while the rest of people don't give a fuck, and just use their services out of convenience. win win.
n/a SpotNL 2017-06-01
Yeah, but that doesn't explain anything.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
With regard to power plants, they get old, they need to be rebuilt. That costs money. Different types of plants cost different amounts especially when you factor in the variety of government regulation. Some states (the ones with a lot of natural gas) subsidize power companies to push them to use their own local resources.
So in turn its cheaper to build a new natural gas plant than a coal plant. This results in reduced pollution but not because that was the goal, the goal was make more money (both for the company and the government). Due to subsidies provided to Oil&Gas in the US it is now (and has been for the past 10-20 years) significantly cheaper to buy and burn Natural Gas rather than Coal or heavy fuel oil.
Shipping companies still, by and large, use heavy fuel oil because its cost effective, safe to store, and easily acquired. They reduced pollution by 1. building larger ships with more efficient engines (so one ship carries the load of 2 or 5) 2. using standardized containers (allowing for more efficient storage and processing) 3. GPS navigation to reduce distance
n/a LeFabulousFaggot 2017-06-01
Because I live in a country where gas is cheap, so I don't really care about how much gas I use. Same reason I drive an SUV.
n/a BlackPeopleEmoji 2017-06-01
Good. I fucking hate the environment.
n/a harrah8083 2017-06-01
Same. It fucks with my allergies, I just want the heat death of the planet already.
n/a mindhowl 2017-06-01
Gotta love all the "we're all going to die" comments. People spend so much time freaking the fuck out about stuff. Calm your tits.
n/a OctoroiGuldan 2017-06-01
Yeah, took them slobbering over "cofveve" memes after they realize Trump actually is doing something bad (even if not as much, because why bother with UN?)
Maybe if you guys aren't making a huge deal over inane shit like ice cream scoops, we wouldn't have this situation.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
Exactly what situation do we have? Please be as specific as possible not just hand wavy "environment good, Trump dumbtard".
n/a OctoroiGuldan 2017-06-01
But I'm not even mocking Trump, I just mocked the people who goes crazy over "cofveve" while ignoring other shitty things he do.
Though yes, Paris Climate Agreement is essentially as useful as a fifth wheel in a wagon.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-06-01
Well you said "trump actually is doing something bad" which led me to believe you think the Paris Accords have merit. As such I was curious as to what "situation" you had envisioned as a result of our non-participation in those reindeer games.
I'm not trying to get your goat or anything... unless, of course, you have a goat and good condition.
n/a CucksLoveTrump 2017-06-01
it's a lightly fucked goat
n/a captainpriapism 2017-06-01
they seriously dont realise that reporting a bunch of fluff makes people less interested in other things they have to say
n/a pepperouchau 2017-06-01
how bout "environment v good, Trump big dumbtard?"
n/a arandomloser21 2017-06-01
wew the thread is what I about expected: people frothing at the mouth cuz Trump did something and they don't know what that something, but fuck it gotta screech at Trump for something.
n/a PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-06-01
Now you're getting it kiddl
n/a arandomloser21 2017-06-01
thanks dad
n/a Hellkyte 2017-06-01
And Musk follows through on his threat.
n/a donaldthelion 2017-06-01
Reddit can only freak out about one thing at a time, elons time will come tomorrow
n/a captainpriapism 2017-06-01
angrydm will be happy at least
n/a aenigme 2017-06-01
Poor Elon. He was expecting more subsidies I guess.
n/a Incel_One_Alt 2017-06-01
Seize the private jet and the yacht of Elon Musk, you fucking lefties.
If the 7 billions humans lived like the average american we would need 3 planets earth to support our lifestyle. Good that Bill Gates keep medeling with the explosive demography of Africa.
n/a Wraith_GraveSpell 2017-06-01
Man /r/daddydefenseforce is really out and active today
n/a ThatGaymer 2017-06-01
what would staying in the agreement mean anyway?
n/a MrAlphonzo 2017-06-01
So, if according to all of these comments it was a "toothless piece of paper", why the fuck would he waste so much god damn time trying to renegotiate or pull the US out of it?
n/a chanilastname 2017-06-01
He's not my daddy!
n/a Darkroom2017 2017-06-01
I would love to get input from anyone on this. Opposing views are most welcome. I have done some research and these are my thoughts on the matter.
Thanks.
I think there are some reasonable and not partisan reasons for not being a part of this pact.
Also Trump has said that we are pulling out and we are looking to re-enter only after a better deal is negotiated.
I have looked over the what's available on the agreement at length and I do feel it's very one sided in it's beneficiaries.
Let me preface I am well aware of the carbon cycle and the dangers of ongoing pollution. I am a fan of renewables. Elon musk is one whom I look up to in many ways. We are on our way to a renewable energy economy /society and I cannot wait for that.
I am against fracking. I owned a house in Texas and can tell you the earthquakes are related. I also recently began the process to get solar on my grandmothers house in southern New Jersey.
We do however have to keep our nation growing and running during the intermittent time.
The specifics off this agreement would be very bad for the United States from an economic and jobs. Standpoint.
Some of the negatives are as follows:
According to a recent hertiage foundation study the cost of electricity for the average family of four will increase between 13-20 % annually.
The restrictons would result in an estimated 2.7 million jobs in the next decade as reported by bloomberg.
The $ cost would be nearly $3,000,000,000,000.00 loss of wealth for the US In the same timeframe as reported by the same bloomberg article
Other countries (China as an example) will be allowed to continue their current production and emissions levels (in fact in can increase) until 2030
This would kill many US industries. Coal Concrete Paper General Manufacturing Textiles And others.
This so would negativily effect all the auxiliary services fed by these industries. Costing hundreds of thousands of additional jobs.
This would at the same time be providing all the economic benefits to nation's that are not our true allies. This includes more purchases of oil and gas from many Arab nations which have been tied to finding extremist activity. This loss of income for foreign nations is also really good leverage in negotiations.
US GDP would fall by an estimed $2,500,000,000,000.00 by 2035. Via atr.org
India and several others nation's going to accord are contingent on American foriegn aid funds of $100,000,000,000.00.
The restrictions on energy would slow / keep economic growth in the 1.9-2.1 % GDP range via business insider.
We would also be forced to pay a premium for help fuel from other nations and would become more and more dependant on them.
Additionally, similar to the TPP members of other Nations would have considerable leverage and control over the direction of our country by having strong influence over our energy control. This is a vulnerability that could leave us open.
Additionally we are the largest spending nation on renewables in the world. We have an ever expanding tax credit program to the tune of over $10,000,000,000.00 annually for consumer renewables. We have a long way to go but we are heading in that direction. Generation is cheap enough now. Once storage is adaquete we should see a continuing massive shift towards renewables.
In conclusion I am all for an agreement that helps protect our country and planet. I can't wait for the day where cost of travel and living plumet for nearly everyone due to renewable energy. It is already starting. We do however have to be pragmatic and make sure that we don't lose our place as a nation. We can't plunge millioms of our citizens into poverty and destitution during the process. We have to be pragmatic about it and not simply act on ideology.
Anyways that's what I took away from my reading and those are my thoughts hope it's helpful guys.
Have a great day
n/a TheGreatWolfRuss 2017-06-01
just fucking kys
n/a Zappert 2017-06-01
Too much effort for a drama comment
n/a Darkroom2017 2017-06-01
I feel you. I am just trying to get diverse thoughts and opinions from varying threads. I feel like it helps to learn and gain new prospective
n/a TonyFuckingDanza 2017-06-01
Bitch do you even know where you is?
n/a Incel_One_Alt 2017-06-01
We need a fucking massive depopulation program, starting with the third world countries. Pay them to ligature their balls. Only way to avoid castrophic failure of the entire human race.
n/a crazyhit 2017-06-01
Well it's a pretty radical idea but I think that prioritizing to combat climate change over economic growth is the only rational, moral and ethical policy if you acknowledge climate change is a real threat caused by GHG emissions. These economic consequences are so drastic because the US has refused to acknowledge climate change since forever. If the reform could've started under Bush, Clinton or even Bush Sr. it wouldn't be that expensive.
n/a ThatGaymer 2017-06-01
Go fuck yourself.
n/a Neronoah 2017-06-01
I hope /r/drama is more smug than retarded about what the Paris Accord wants to achieve. smh
n/a jubbergun 2017-06-01
Por que no los dos, mericon?
n/a Matues49 2017-06-01
ITT: le enlightened SP neutral centrists calling out ignorant leftist kiddos for complaining about shit they know jack about. when they themselves are utterly unable to make a proper argument beyond the occasional edgy snarky comment.
n/a TonyFuckingDanza 2017-06-01
Your salt reminds me of the swiftly rising oceans that now cover what used to be Manhattan.
Thanks Drumpfffffffffff
n/a Matues49 2017-06-01
Imagine being so ass-blasted you have to dig-up a year old dead meme in an attempt to be witty
n/a TonyFuckingDanza 2017-06-01
n/a Matues49 2017-06-01
South Park is still alive & airing. Drumpf died a still born.
n/a none_to_remain 2017-06-01
Who the fuck decides to go to civil war under the banner UNITED STATES CLIMATE ALLIANCE?
n/a VatiasMellerman 2017-06-01
Turns out this sub is always a counter jerk, no matter if that means being retarded.
n/a grungebot5000 2017-06-01
i mean... yeah? it's crucial