/r/feminism pushes itself to /r/all with the help of the Stark Tomboy, turns into total shitshow with tons of removed comments

76  2017-06-07 by Orsonius

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A list of feminist resources tackling men's issues

And the link is to /r/AskFeminists

Nice job, /u/demmian.

I would have expected this nd this.

Missed opportunity.

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Well, /u/demmian is actually a male transformer, so him modding feminism is going to make things a bit weird.

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I think some men get genuinely confused because "feminist" has "fem" in it, so instead of realising that feminism is about promoting gender equality they think it's about bigging up women at the expense of men.

No, they realize that it's the latter, instead of thinking it's the former.

Because it is the latter.

No, they realize that it's the latter, instead of thinking it's the former.

Because it is the latter.

To be fair actual feminism really is about gender equality.
But actual feminists are doing their work in the background, while screeching man-hating harpies or dumbo Hollywood starlets ruin the reputation of feminism by acting likes spazes in the foreground.

So reasonable feminist activists are inept trash?

Because activism doesn't always have to be shouting shit in the streets, wearing pink knit hats and having various media outlets talk about you, but can also be done in a smaller scale like inside advances inside a company?

How rhetorically​ convenient!

the XX century

I see what you did there.

I'm Russian. We use Roman numerals for ordinals, including centuries.

or posting on twitter!

They don't exist. This is just something feminists say repeatedly whenever they're caught doing bad things. They never have any significant population to point to, never have more than one or two names, never have anything really.

They expect us to believe that somehow, their movement became lead by man-hating whackjobs, that it's completely unrepresentative. Somehow, it's just a coincidence that every feminist we meet is a complete fucking asshole.

Academics and serious policy work is slow and boring. Screeching about how Outgroup X is Bad or how a chronically underprivileged group like young attractive middle class white women need yet another freebie is easy, visible, and popular.

But "academics" is where you find some of the most ridiculous "screeching about how Outgroup X is Bad". Recent example.

Depends who you count as an "activist" I guess.

No, 'actual' feminists are man-hating harpies, too. Ever talked to a Gender Studies professor?

We got in our company a feminist "representative for genderissues".

And while she sometimes nags how our IT-forms aren't 'genderfriendly' and other annoying shit, her latest proposal for staff committee was to adjust the parental leave in case of adoption for men to be the same amount as the one for women.

Doesn't sound very man-hating to me tbh.
But I guess Europe didn't complete succomb to the third-wave feminism swamp yet.

That suggestion is one of the best things to come out of feminism in recent memory, it makes perfect sense, women are less of a liability for birth of a child is everyone has the same liability.

WOW WAY TO ERASE SINGLE MOTHERS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Europeans are already pussies, so the men and women there start on a much more equal ground to begin with.

That's like saying racism isn't an issue in China because there's almost only Chinese people there, and somehow we can learn from that (which is ridiculous).

I have seen people unironically say that racism between two groups of non white people is because of white people teaching them to be racist. People literally act like noon whites are too stupid to be responsible for their own actions.

Apparently some of those non whites you can even make fun of and they blow up spontaneously.

Not to get into a whole thing about this, but we've seen here on /r/drama plenty of times people arguing that PoC have only ever been violent because they "learned it" from white colonialism. As if, by human nature, they weren't capable historically of violence themselves as a culture/people.

Which in itself is inherently very racist (regardless of historical inaccuracy obviously), demonstrated by the "noble savage" infantilization concept.

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Noble savage

A noble savage is a literary stock character who embodies the concept of the indigene, outsider, or "other" who has not been "corrupted" by civilization, and therefore symbolizes humanity's innate goodness. In English, the phrase first appeared in the 17th century in John Dryden's heroic play The Conquest of Granada (1672), wherein it was used in reference to newly created man. "Savage" at that time could mean "wild beast" as well as "wild man". The phrase later became identified with the idealized picture of "nature's gentleman", which was an aspect of 18th-century sentimentalism.


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I have seen people unironically chop their own genitals off.

there would be no racism if every country was like that

they just make shit up to justify taking a cheque home every month, its all a big scam

Have you ever noticed how "gender issues" gives you almost all the letters to spell "pussies".

Feminism has always been female centric and will always have blind spot for men in both practice and theory, this is obvious for all to see. The name should give that much away at first glance.

Now, that in and of itself is not a bad thing, but then they go around claiming to champion men too, with platitudes about freeing them from gender roles too yet nothing much concrete is ever done. When men then do try to discuss their problems and disadvantages of their sex they're punished unless it is within the feminist theoretical framework where they're the de facto oppressor class, have to earn the right to be seen as victim and have to kowtow to women's demands first before their concerns will be addressed. Negative concepts are given male names as to, even if only secondarily, put the blame of society's ills on men.

Even minor problems facing women should be dealt with first and foremost before the major ones of men will even be looked at in a somewhat genuine matter, if ever. Sort of trickle down equality, if you will. And even then they'll just keep creating problems where there previously were none and that's the feminist ouroboros.

Two adages I think feminists should remember; you can't eat your cake and have it too, and don't piss on people and tell them it's raining.

First off you're wrong and you should feel bad.

I'm a feminist and you got everything wrong. By the way if you reply to me that just proves patriarchy and harassment whenever a poor wymen tries to educate a person.

"Freeing from gender roles" and everything feminism claims to want to do for men is - SURPRISE! - shit that men don't want.

Fucking christ this get this misogynist out of here.

yawn

The feminists who constantly argue about whether you can be a real feminist or not without believing in X, Y and Z and wanting to empower women in some very specific way, and who demand everybody support controversial policies like affirmative action or affirmative consent laws (bailey). Then when someone says they don’t really like feminism very much, they object “But feminism is just the belief that women are people!” (motte) Then once the person hastily retreats and promises he definitely didn’t mean women aren’t people, the feminists get back to demanding everyone support affirmative action because feminism, or arguing about whether you can be a feminist and wear lipstick.

this applies to other certain religions as well

That's funny because the subreddit the thread was created on is called /r/feminism yet it is not whatever you imagine "actual feminism" to be.

Oh, boy, you are in for some shit. Good luck dealing with all the people that are going to come out of the woodwork to argue with you.

actual

You don't get to decide which subgroup of a movement is more important, the movement's internal politics do that.

You could talk about which subgroup you consider more legitimate, but at the end of the day it's not going to change things.

To the extent that they are doing good work, there is no longer a good reason to call it "feminism" - except, you know, institutional power.

To be fair actual feminism really is

lol

No you see niggerkillingism is about about killing white people. I don't know why this is so hard for people to wrap their heads around honestly!

>don't stare yourself blind at the fem in feminism, it's just a word

Because feminists never get upset about something so trivial as gendered words

Don't mansplain, please.

Is that sexual harassment?

I'm not sure she understands just how many women she's accusing of being 'sexist.'

they even discuss further down the issue of what it means to be a feminist.

Some say you just have to call yourself one, others disagree and talk about actively being one. If one has to be actively a feminist, then to say those who aren't actively being one are sexists is even worse of an accusation.

And being a feminist just in word seems to be meaningless.

And being a feminist just in word seems to be meaningless.

It is since all those feminists do is say that you can't use the actions of feminists to criticise feminism because that's not real feminism.

Real feminism is not participating in any activism and just using the label to feel good about yourself and shutting down criticism of shitty people who use the same label as you

Sexists aren't people, tho.

Everyone is sexis, tho.

No one is people.

Maybe /u/zachum's pug, but definitely not any of us.

Doubt it.

You are a dumb bad.

I think we should purge everyone who advocates for equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity, but I'm just a 'Kekistani supremacist fuck boi'.

nah equality all the way or go home.

We should also purge everyone who unironically describe themselves as "Kekistani".

this tbqfh

What if no one can tell if I'm being ironic or not?

ironic or not, you need a plastic bag and some nice CO2 in your life

nice CO2 in your life

green things love CO2, checkmate.

that's great, a win win for both of us. you get your fresh CO2 and I live in a world with one less Kekistani turd

CO2 becomes more delicious when combined with salt.

my pee is salty, I could pee in the plastic bag for you, so you can nibble on it while you suffocate yourself in some nice carbondioxyde

deal?

Breath play and watersports? You wanna party this weekend? 420/Crystal friendly.

Well, I suppose that's one way to honour the Paris Agreement.

We should purge anybody who has a 4chan reference in their username tbqh

Isn't sage of Japanese origin?

What am I, a weeaboo? Maybe a tiny bit.

I have no idea.

Leave now commie.

Via the helicopter door.

I'm afraid of heights, I stay down here and watch you crash and burn instead.

It's fine, when your communist state inevitably fails, us capitalist scum will get the last laugh as usual.

> communist

>state

choose one

Yes, yes. But you need to state before you can establish """"""true communism"""", according to Papa Marx. And that pre-communist state will as usual, fail.

but I'm an edgy anarchist not a lame Marxist.

superabundance don't real.

eh, you can't compare the technical reality and socio-political climate of the early 20th century and prior to our modern society with automation and super industries.

I am actually more of the perspective that the old socialist revolutions failed (not entirely) because the technical reality was not there yet, plus the poor development of important values for such a system (as the people lived in conditions of absolute deprivation and serfdom in many cases). So those revolutions were bound to fail. I honestly couldn't have expected it any other way.

That said, this doesn't have to be the case today, or the near future. Right now I think the technological state is advanced enough, only pre-civilized values and politics are in the way.

eh, you can't compare the technical reality and socio-political climate of the early 20th century and prior to our modern society with automation and super industries.

You actually think the world exists with limitless abundance today. Let me know if anyone says anything mean in homeroom today.

abundance is all about how you manage the available resources. That is kinda the point of economic systems.

Right now we have some people own way too much and some own basically nothing. I think that is so missmanagement of available resources.

Uh huh and how you plan on implementing that and where specifically?

preferably global scale otherwise people would just come wherever you try this and then it would collapse, also we can't have specific regions (countries) harbor earthly resources for themselves.

How to implement that? I don't necessarily know, but there are multiple ways to do it, each has their own issues.

Transition state is the hardest, especially given how dumb people generally are.

So you too are against economic refugees and want immigration limited?

the issue isnt immigration or refugees, the issue is the imbalance of resource availablity.

There would be no issues with economic refugees if anywhere around the world you could live a good life.

And it is almost like some areas of the world are destined to be more poor than others.

As long as some parts exploit them yes. Other than that it seems you just have the typical cynical Machiavellian perspective

What the fuck? you think the USA and someone in the middle of the Amazon/Sahara are capable of the same living standards?

but I'm an edgy anarchist not a lame Marxist.

Dont worry, our chopper pilots are equal opportunity

Helicopters are a little high-brow for anarchists. Maybe just a bulldozer or something like that.

Yeah, we can talk about the anarchist utopia collapsing once you've managed to get a vanguard state to not collapse while trying to establish it. So never.

OK, I choose state.

go home.

Agreed, illegals and jihadzis out.

'Kekistani supremacist fuck boi'.

NON-VIRGINS GO HOME NORMIES REEEEEEEEEEE

That's the thing, though. I think a lot of them aren't actually "advocating for equality of outcome"; they just sincerely believe that actual equality of opportunity could not possibly lead to anything but equality of outcome, and thus consider an unequal outcome to be strong evidence of systemic bias on the way in.

They think the blond dragon queen, a litteral totalitarian murderer, and the girl who learns to be an assassin to have her revenge, are feminist icons and good role models for girl.

Why would you think it's a good idea to ask actresses about any other topic than what dress they are wearing, really ?

Because her answer fits menocide.

blond dragon queen

You have something against blondes?

I don;'t like blonde pubic hair. It looks like piss.

dannyris is a literal fascist dictator

Fascism is cool and good.

what if they want to put redditors in the gas chambers?

Doubly good.

Now that's a purged thread.

She was actually arguing against "feminism", or rather the label of it. What she was actually saying was that why do you deserve a medal for simply doing the bare minimum. You can see it from its full context that's exactly what she meant, and why she was hesitant to call herself a feminist.

Any thoughts on that Thrones feminism debate? I don’t think I’ve seen you asked about that before…

I got asked in one of my first interviews: “Is Arya a feminist?” I didn’t even know what a feminist was.

You were like 12!

And then someone explained it to me. And I remember thinking, “Isn’t that just like everyone?” And then I realized everyone is not a feminist, unfortunately. But I also feel like we should stop calling feminists “feminists” and just start calling people who aren’t feminist “sexist” — and then everyone else is just a human. You are either a normal person or a sexist. People get a label when they’re bad. Because it works the other way, as well. A lot of men have it hard too. On the show specifically, it’s always been a constant debate because women are treated badly on the show, and they’re treated well on the show. But it’s the same as the boys and the girls and the men and the animals.

Wtf I love arya stark now

Hey, other people can play this game too! "You are either with us, or you are with the terrorists!"

this triggers me

Wtf i hate got now.

You know I wanted to make the socks meme, but I decided that I will not appropriate socks culture. So here is a view about american feminism from a drunken europoor man.

 There exist couple of reasons why only 18% of american women identify themselves as feminists and why you have MRA's:

a) no unity and bare understanding what "feminism". At a such a high level that this movement started eating itself from the inside. While I want to believe that majority of feminists in the Usa are sane, the ones that I read about in mainstream media are not. You have simple legbeards, Terf's , crazy transwomen and those faux imbeciles at buzzfeed level media sites who at the forefront spewing bullshit. b) the majority of loud faux feminists are white middle class to rich women who shouldn't be reeeeing in the first place, and steal voices from WoC. c) those forefronters are not even feminists, they are just " woke" social media fame chasers, who want to shit on men and other women. They have made fucking manspreading and pixelates tits into a problem, hell, in the current year all masculinity = toxic masculinity - this is #firstworldproblems. d) when they are called on their bullshit, social media feminists cry mansplaining or misoginy .Ladies, let's talk about the white women vs all other women wage gap for a second? Nah? Men are to blame for this also? Ok.....move along. e) naturally when you shit on opposite sex on media, say that all men have privilege, call them rapists and portray them as monsters ( they literally make fun of male rape victims) you will have opposition and sometimes the whining opposition are the mirror image of your movement. f) feminists let other movements to take over theirs and because we live in a time of oppression olympics, feminists are forced to support ideas that are toxic to their movement.

So here are my rant, I going back to my friend today - the vodka bottle. Have a nice day and some animal emojis. 🐶🐮😿🦁🐹🐥🙈🦅🐰🐯🐷

You know I wanted to make the socks meme, but I decided that I will not appropriate socks culture. So here is a view about american feminism from a drunken europoor man. There exist couple of reasons why only 18% of american women identify themselves as feminists and why you have MRA's: a) no unity and bare understanding what "feminism". At a such a high level that this movement started eating itself from the inside. While I want to believe that majority of feminists in the Usa are sane, the ones that I read about in mainstream media are not. You have simple legbeards, Terf's , crazy transwomen and those faux imbeciles at buzzfeed level media sites who at the forefront spewing bullshit. b) the majority of loud faux feminists are white middle class to rich women who shouldn't be reeeeing in the first place, and steal voices from WoC. c) those forefronters are not even feminists, they are just " woke" social media fame chasers, who want to shit on men and other women. They have made fucking manspreading and pixelates tits into a problem, hell, in the current year all masculinity = toxic masculinity - this is #firstworldproblems. d) when they are called on their bullshit, social media feminists cry mansplaining or misoginy .Ladies, let's talk about the white women vs all other women wage gap for a second? Nah? Men are to blame for this also? Ok.....move along. e) naturally when you shit on opposite sex on media, say that all men have privilege, call them rapists and portray them as monsters ( they literally make fun of male rape victims) you will have opposition and sometimes the whining opposition are the mirror image of your movement. f) feminists let other movements to take over theirs and because we live in a time of oppression olympics, feminists are forced to support ideas that are toxic to their movement. So here are my rant, I going back to my friend today - the vodka bottle. Have a nice day and some animal emojis. 🐶🐮😿🦁🐹🐥🙈🦅🐰🐯🐷

Pretty much the epitome of feminism: a rich white girl lecturing poor men about why we're all evil for not agreeing with her elitist ideology.

"I don't have the moral right to reeeeee, but still I reeeee and shut down women who are actually oppressed".

I got Rape Culture to /r/all and now this. Looks like Pegging and Facesitting will be the new pastime for reddit once we turn you all gay Feminists

I love pegging my wife with my cock.

Well we can't use "humanist" thanks to those 19th-century assholes.

I am a feminist and think feminism is wonderful but this is important to recognise. Men have struggles too and have every right to discuss these issues on their own and not just as an aside to women's issues. If you're tired of men using this as an excuse for misogyny then please look at forums like /r/MensLib which are feminist positive communities focused on men's issues :)

There it is. There isn't anything better for a men's sub than women who hate men endorsing it.

Can you imagine what MensLib posters are like in person?

I honestly cannot picture it.

Wait people actually go on MensLib?

/u/CheesyChips being sexist is normal because women arent really people.

Actors are functional retards, who cares what they have to say?

It's always funny to see a hoard of feminists trip over themselves to Correct The Record on what feminism really means