Are most Jews also Zionists?

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Most people that spam about zionism on the internet have no idea what zionism is and it's hilarious.

If you believe Israel has a right to exist you're a "zionist."

I agree most people have no idea what Zionism is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X_xB1JJ_Es

This diabolical manifesto caught people’s attention. The Protocols itself is conveniently vague, outlining the Elders’ general strategies for world conquest, but omitting any specific names, dates, or locations. This meant it has proved infinitely adaptable. As Richard Levy put it, the Protocols offered up a “veritable Rosetta stone of history, the single key that unlocks all the perplexing mysteries of the modern world.” Anything that happened in the world could be explained as the result of the Elders’ secret machinations. Observant readers needed only fill in the blanks with whatever societal ill they wish to pin on the Jews. The French and Russian revolutions? Orchestrated by the Elders. The First and Second World Wars? Ditto. The economic crash of 1929 and the ensuing Great Depression? You guessed it. The wars in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and the Gulf? Elders, Elders, Elders. And they aren’t only behind such lofty endeavors as igniting wars and revolutions. According to some of the Protocols’ proponents, the Elders have a penchant for micromanagement. They’ve been accused of everything from popularizing jazz (of particular concern was “the abandoned sensuousness of sliding notes” and the “indecent dancing” that it encouraged) and distributing chewing gum (in an effort to make women more promiscuous), to encouraging prostitution, alcoholism, and even, for some reason, dog exhibitions.

The shocking revelations contained in the Protocols, coupled with its ability to explain any and all ills and upheavals in the world, earned it a place in history. The Protocols has been printed and reprinted around the world, in books with titles ranging from the relatively benign Secrets of the Wise Men of Zion, to the somewhat alarmist The International Jew: The World’s Foremost Problem (a commentary published in the United States by Henry Ford), to the outright apocalyptic The Jewish Antichrist and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (the title of an edition published in Nazi Germany in 1938). Millions of copies have been sold or given away. One scholar estimated in 1939 that, in terms of distribution, the Protocols was second only the Bible.

There’s just one small problem, of course. There are no Elders. The Protocols is a fake. And not even a good fake. To quote the historian Norman Cohn, the Protocols is an “atrociously written piece of reactionary balderdash.” It is a shoddy, obvious, callous forgery, wantonly and lazily plagiarized from a handful of more obscure sources. The story of the Protocols’ creation is a tale of conspiratorial intrigue in its own right. But the Protocols didn’t single-handedly invent the myth of the Jewish world conspiracy. It was centuries in the making. Superstition and prejudice toward Jews dates back to the earliest years of Christianity. Saint John Chrysostom, a fourth-century preacher widely admired for his eloquence, eloquently denounced Jews as baby-killing devil worshipers. In 1215, Pope Innocent III was concerned that Christians might find themselves unwittingly having relations with Jews. His solution was to make Jews wear distinguishing clothing, leading to the yellow “badge of shame” that many Jewish people around Europe were required to wear throughout the Dark Ages—and again under the Nazis. A couple of decades later, Pope Gregory IX established the Inquisition, a formalized effort to prosecute heresy against the Roman Catholic Church, which eventually led to mass executions of Jews, among other accused heretics, and mass burnings of their holy books.

According to the pious logic of some medieval theologians, the Jewish Talmud was both blasphemous and, paradoxically, a testament to the truth of Christian teaching. Just as the Devil knows the truth of Christianity but is determined to deny it and destroy those who believe it, so too, Christian scholars argued, do the Jews. People came to see Jews as being in league with Satan, possessing arcane knowledge and black magic, and harboring an unquenchable hatred for Christianity. Allegations that Jewish people were plotting against Christians became commonplace.

One popular theory had it that Jews were in the habit of poisoning Christian drinking wells. When the Black Plague ravaged fourteenth-century Europe, outbreaks were often blamed on the international Jewish well-poisoning conspiracy. In some cases, torturers coerced confessions from a handful of Jewish suspects, on the basis of which thousands more were burned alive. The worst of the pogroms was in Strasbourg. Fear-stricken locals, desperate to prevent the plague from reaching them, decided to preemptively slaughter the town’s Jews. (Some of the town’s nobility were also in debt to Jewish money-lenders, and may have seen an opportunity to clear their tab.) City authorities attempted to intervene but couldn’t hold the mob at bay. All told, around nine hundred Jewish people were burned alive, and the rest were baptized or banished. The plague soon swept through town regardless, leaving sixteen thousand people dead in its wake.

There was also the “blood libel”—the allegation that Jewish people routinely murder Christians and drain them of their blood, which they allegedly used to make the Passover meal, to make medicine to heal their physical defects, or to perform unholy rituals. The myth was invented in the twelfth century, when a young Christian boy was found dead on the outskirts of Norwich, England, the day before Easter Sunday. Thomas of Monmouth, a Benedictine monk turned amateur detective, offered a convoluted explanation. Jewish teaching, he claimed, asserts that Jews must spill Christian blood in order to regain their homeland. Thus, a secret council of Jewish elites convenes once a year to select a sacrificial Christian child. Monmouth’s idea caught on. For centuries thereafter, whenever a Christian child went missing or turned up dead, local Jews were often the first suspects.

These religiously motivated fears circulated for centuries. Meanwhile, Jews in many regions were denied citizenship and property rights, confined to ghettos, or banished from Christian society altogether. This began to change in the wake of the French Revolution, when many Jewish people were granted basic human rights and began to emerge from isolation. They naturally tended to favor liberal and democratic political policies that represented their best hope of increasing liberty. Still sidelined from traditional occupations, many migrated to the cities and pioneered inventive new ways of making a living. While most remained impoverished and out of sight, a few became extremely wealthy.

This all led to new social tensions. A lot of people weren’t thrilled about the radical changes taking place around them. For some, the newly integrated Jews became a defining symbol of the modern world. The age-old prejudice that had given rise to the blood libel and well-poisoning myths was reinvigorated and updated to reflect modern anxieties and resentments. Jews were no longer enemies of God, but enemies of man. In 1879, a new word, antisemitism, was coined to reflect the fact that what was once a collection of primitive medieval superstitions had become a fully-fledged political ideology.

Sorry, DAE JEWS have been the scapegoat for dumb ass conservatives for a long time.

Where is your quote from?

Well first of all, this is just a lie, and I find it hilarious you link zerohedge, a conspiracy website.

The term can literally be traced back to 1871.

https://books.google.com/books?dq=%22conspiracy+theory%22&ei=1g7IT8eEBKSi2gW2_ejmDQ&hl=en&id=VsRMAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA141&sa=X#v=onepage&q=%22conspiracy%20theory%22&f=false

Your misunderstanding lies in your belief that the people who are discussing conspiracy theories now are doing so because of some need to find meaning or purpose in life.

No.

A) You tried to lie about about where the term came from (maybe not lie, but clearly you aren't informed on the subject).

B) You don't seem to have any interest in why people are so vulnerable to conspiracies, the psychological foibles that go into them.

Not everyone that believes conspiracies is looking for meaning, or whatever, but the "global Jewish cabal" conspiracy plays into compensatory control perfectly.

When Ted Goertzel and others measured paranoia, it was these kinds of everyday suspicions their questions were designed to assess. Doubts about people’s motives, distrust and defiance of authority, and the hostility and cynicism that go along with suspecting that you live in a world where people can’t always be trusted are all fairly common feelings among perfectly ordinary people. Of course, some people are relatively more prone to these feelings than others. And it’s not hard to see how a relatively—but still only mildly—paranoid disposition could lead to a penchant for conspiracy theories. When you suspect people, especially authorities, of being untrustworthy, you’re probably going to take “official” explanations with a grain of salt. If you think most people have sinister motives then conspiracy theories can make perfect sense. Paranoia goes hand in hand with conspiracy theories, but conspiracy theories aren’t exclusive to the fringe, because paranoia isn’t exclusive to the fringe.

Likewise, there’s an element of truth to the idea that conspiracy theorists tend to feel relatively alienated and powerless. But this, too, is a more universal experience than the stereotypes about Internet-dwelling loners would have us imagine. Psychologists have long understood the importance of feeling in control, and it’s not a desire exclusive to people on the fringes. We all want to believe that we understand our circumstances and are master of our own destiny. Yet the world has a nasty habit of reminding us that we’re at the mercy of randomness. From losing your job in a recession to stepping on a rusty nail, there are countless random sources of misfortune that are impossible to anticipate or control, and can change the course of your life—or at least screw up your day—in an instant. We face constant challenges to our sense of control in less dramatic ways, too, in the form of shifting social alliances; discrimination; feeling left out, alienated, or unfairly disadvantaged; or just feeling that somebody has power over us.

And it is precisely when our sense of control is threatened that we are most likely to get a little paranoid. Realizing that the world is chaotic is, for most of us, deeply unsettling. The existential anxiety spurs us to find other ways to satisfy our need for order and control; when we can’t be in control ourselves, we’ll settle for thinking someone (or something) else is in the driver’s seat. Psychologists call this compensatory control.

We have a few options when it comes to finding compensatory control. A popular one is to believe we have a powerful ally. Religions based around the idea of a benevolent, controlling God assure believers that everything happens for a reason. Or, keeping things more down-to-earth, we can put our faith in institutions like the government. Psychological studies show that when people’s sense of personal control is eroded, they are more inclined to believe in an interventionist God (but not in a more hands-off deity) and to support increased governmental controls.

Another way to achieve compensatory control is to believe we have a powerful enemy. This might seem paradoxical—what could be more troubling than imagining people scheming against you? But having enemies has its perks. Remember, the thing we want to avoid above all else is seeing the world as haphazard. If things happen to us because of pure chance, we have little hope of comprehending, predicting, and controlling our fate. Believing that someone somewhere is in control—even if they don’t have your best interests at heart—is preferable to thinking that the course of your life is dictated by nothing more than chance. Unlike faceless randomness, identifiable enemies can potentially be thwarted, managed, or at the very least understood.

This isn’t a conscious decision. Our brains do most of the work for us, without us necessarily even realizing why we feel anxious to begin with. Roderick Kramer, another social scientist specializing in paranoia, describes how threats to our sense of control spur our brain into action. We become hypervigilant, scrutinizing people’s behavior more carefully than usual and ruminating on the potential motives behind it, searching for clues to help restore order and understanding. Zealously gathering and dwelling on this ambiguous data makes us more likely to read sinister intent into innocuous events and to misinterpret innocent behavior as threatening. As a result, we can easily become fearful that somebody is untrustworthy or out to get us, which leads to even more heightened vigilance and rumination. Before we know it, our suspicions can run away from us, leading us to overestimate the degree to which other people or forces are in control and mean to do us harm.

You tried to lie

maybe not lie

Pick one, please. Not being informed is not the same as lying. I am perfectly open to being corrected, but don't insinuate something that isn't true.

You don't seem to have any interest in why people are so vulnerable to conspiracies, the psychological foibles that go into them.

Psychology is bogus.

Psychology is bogus.

Yeah, I'm well versed in "everything that proves me wrong is bogus" dude, your kind is well known for it.

Are you trying to claim foibles in the human brain don't exist, and biases don't exist?

Absolutely not.

You can't have it both ways, psychology can't be bogus and at the same time not bogus dude.

Everything talked about in that book is well documented, well understood.

I'll just leave you with these. Whether or not you choose to understand is now up to you.

I did my time with psychology. It satisfies your mind. For a time. But your mind will never remain satisfied. We're moving away from the main point here, and into territory that psychology pretends to be able to tread, and there's far too much to discuss in a thread in /r/Drama. If you wish to continue, I am open to discussion in PMs.

Is this satire?

That's not your real question, so ask it.

even though this is all copy-pasted it still counts as both seriousposting and effortposting

please settle down or i'll be forced to call the cops

you're doing an excellent job playing the retard here but your dedication to the role concerns me

That's okay, you don't need to be concerned with others, just focus on yourself, strawman. :)

strawman

it's the little things that really sell it. A+

most people that spam about zionism on the internet are either nazis or can't get into r-rated movies so I wouldn't set my expectations very high