You can't bougie if you're bourgie: Salon socialist podcast destroys marriage in /r/relationships

52  2017-06-20 by Ultrashitpost

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A rare occasion where /r/relationship drama meets right wing agendaposting.

I also stole this from EnoughCommieSpam and i regret nothing.

I'm an anarchist/communist. I work full-time. I love my job. I do it because I love it. It makes the world better. Yes, we're stuck in the system, but you can't let that paralyze you!

I'm a research scientist focused on synthetic biology - think fancy new vaccines, biodiesel, fake meat.

lol /u/black_rose_ maybe you can make all that fake meat for those starving ass kids in Russia tundra dying of aids or Venezuela people laffo

They are about as close to making fake meat as the janitor. Whenever someone lists such a diverse list of applications, you can safely assume they are one of the robots who just move chemicals from one tube to another performing basic busywork.

My guess is that they are a research tech with a BA in biology who does the same shit as high school interns.

Spot on. /u/black_rose_ is someone who fantasizes about being a grad student in George Church's lab, but really they do the bitch work somewhere else.

Same person posts on vandwellers and lives in a box truck. Lol

I guess science on the road doesn't pay too well.

Lul

Someone scan /r/LateStageCapitalism for a poster complaining that his (ex?) gf doesn't give him the emotional support he needs.

I'm an anarchist/communist. I work full-time. I love my job. I do it because I love it. It makes the world better. Yes, we're stuck in the system, but you can't let that paralyze you

/u/black_rose_ just....no

VIOLENT REVOLUTIONARY IDEOLOGY

My boyfriend and I have been dating for about 5 years. We get along very well and he is very kind, caring, sweet, our sex life is great, we rarely ever have serious fights, etc. When we met, we were both underemployed creative types with somewhat useless art-school degrees; since then some combination of luck and hard work on my behalf has meant that I started to have a decent career (marketing for a tech company) and now make a fairly decent salary (~$65k.) I am a photographer on the side which is what I (stupidly) went to school for, but I don’t mind my work, and I think I am lucky to have a good work/life balance. I don’t know if I will ever make good money on my creative pursuits but I am happy I still get to do that on the side and I generally like my day job well enough. My boyfriend, however, temps at the same agency he worked at when he graduated 5 years ago, but very rarely gets more than a few days here or there. He works on some creative projects (writing & painting), but never seems to finish anything and does not make any money off it. He also recently got taken off his parents’ health insurance, so he has none, which worries me as much of his family is diabetic and he has had some health issues in the past. His parents are pretty wealthy and will help him out in a pinch with things like rent and health expenses. (I do not have this luxury, my parents are poor. His family isn’t, like, crazy loaded but they have a nice house and go on loads of vacations and his parents drive BMWs and give him any money he asks for, etc.) For a while this didn’t really bother me—again, we were both recent art school grads when we started dating, being broke is kind of par for the course—but since we’ve moved in together ~2yrs ago, it has started to bother me. We were happy when we were both young and broke, but I am getting to a point where I would like to do things like “go on a vacation” or “buy kitchen chairs instead of sitting on apple crates,” and it would make me feel great if he was able to contribute to things like this as well. I feel very bad because he doesn’t seem to care about these things and says I am being very bourgeoise. I also would like to (eventually) have a family, and it’s starting to worry me a little bit that if I were to ever get pregnant, I would have to be both mom and sole breadwinner. Even though he is at home most days, he doesn’t really help much around the house and doesn’t know how to cook, so I admit I am skeptical of what he would contribute. He also often says that he wants to get married, but that it’s understandably hard to deal with things like planning a wedding/getting a ring when he doesn’t have an income and that he just wants to wait until things improve before he starts thinking about those kinds of details. I guess this makes sense, but I’m not the sort to be impressed by fancy jewelry or a big ceremony—honestly, thrift store rings and a little party with friends would make me happy—but it seems to worry him, so I now avoid the topic. These conversations have been exacerbated in recent months due to politics. He and I are both left-leaning people, but he recently has become very obsessed with a series of popular far-left podcasts, and while I don’t disagree with much of their politics I find them very abrasive, and I find him constantly parroting them back at me. It feels like every conversation now begins with “Well today on CTH so-and-so said,” and every serious conversation about money or healthcare or rent or work ends in “The spineless Democrats couldn’t commit to actual socialist change and Obamacare didn’t do enough to make healthcare accessible, I can’t possibly get health insurance” or “Neoliberalism has just totally fucked the job market, what do you want from me? Until the state actually makes an investment in the people, it’s basically impossible,” or whatever. These don’t devolve into crazy screaming matches or anything, but it just is starting to bum me out that any conversation I try to have that involves any sort of financial/family/health planning just always gets shut down with a snide remark about how the system is fucked and there’s nothing he can do. I also find it annoying that he had little-to-no interest in politics before this and was not at all politically active; he’s honestly not even registered to vote. Regardless of your political leaning left or right, I find it a little upsetting to be lectured by anyone who refuses to participate in the system because “it’s so broken.” (I am not an especially outspoken person but I do vote in local and national elections, volunteer in my community, and regularly give money to causes and charities I care about.) I feel shitty because he thinks I’m being very bourgeoise and making too much of a big deal over money, which is the last thing I want to do. But it’s starting to make me feel crazy. I also sometimes get the feeling that he RESENTS me for “selling out” or something like that—that I’m “part of the problem” because I have a corporate day job. On top of that, I think I sometimes feel resentful since as a white dude who comes from a lot of money, I feel that life has given him more opportunities than me (child of Filipino immigrants & female) and it frustrates me—I know that’s not always just how the system works, but it really does feel that I have had to work much harder for many things. I am starting to feel that he is just repeating these political things as a way to avoid the sorts of dull and banal adult conversations one has to have about things like money and the future and commitment, but I know he thinks that I am just not politically informed enough and that I “follow the rules” too much. But I also worry that maybe I AM just being shallow and placing unreasonable expectations upon him. I feel really guilty, but I also don’t think it’s TOTALLY unreasonable for me to have some concerns here. What should I do? Am I not being understanding enough of his situation? TL;DR: It is starting to bother me that after 5 years, my boyfriend hasn’t really gotten a real job or insurance and turns any conversation about these things into politics. I feel badly because he thinks I am just being very bourgeoise, but this also is starting to feel like an excuse to me, and that he’s just parroting back some of the things he reads/listens to. I am not really sure how to broach this, and I’m also worried that maybe I AM being crazy and shallow. Am I in the wrong here? What should I do?

Today, on "As the Trap House Chapos..."

do they not teach you about paragraph breaks in art school?

I looked it up, copied it in my phone and posted it so you lazy fuckers wouldn't have to look it up either. Please Kylo Your Solo.

are you gay lol

Not for you

how would you know if I haven't even posted bussy yet?

You seem like one of those weak people who can't help but respond to provocations

My boyfriend and I have been dating for about 5 years. We get along very well and he is very kind, caring, sweet, our sex life is great, we rarely ever have serious fights, etc.

When we met, we were both underemployed creative types with somewhat useless art-school degrees; since then some combination of luck and hard work on my behalf has meant that I started to have a decent career (marketing for a tech company) and now make a fairly decent salary (~$65k.) I am a photographer on the side which is what I (stupidly) went to school for, but I don’t mind my work, and I think I am lucky to have a good work/life balance. I don’t know if I will ever make good money on my creative pursuits but I am happy I still get to do that on the side and I generally like my day job well enough.

My boyfriend, however, temps at the same agency he worked at when he graduated 5 years ago, but very rarely gets more than a few days here or there. He works on some creative projects (writing & painting), but never seems to finish anything and does not make any money off it. He also recently got taken off his parents’ health insurance, so he has none, which worries me as much of his family is diabetic and he has had some health issues in the past. His parents are pretty wealthy and will help him out in a pinch with things like rent and health expenses. (I do not have this luxury, my parents are poor. His family isn’t, like, crazy loaded but they have a nice house and go on loads of vacations and his parents drive BMWs and give him any money he asks for, etc.) For a while this didn’t really bother me—again, we were both recent art school grads when we started dating, being broke is kind of par for the course—but since we’ve moved in together ~2yrs ago, it has started to bother me. We were happy when we were both young and broke, but I am getting to a point where I would like to do things like “go on a vacation” or “buy kitchen chairs instead of sitting on apple crates,” and it would make me feel great if he was able to contribute to things like this as well. I feel very bad because he doesn’t seem to care about these things and says I am being very bourgeoise. I also would like to (eventually) have a family, and it’s starting to worry me a little bit that if I were to ever get pregnant, I would have to be both mom and sole breadwinner. Even though he is at home most days, he doesn’t really help much around the house and doesn’t know how to cook, so I admit I am skeptical of what he would contribute. He also often says that he wants to get married, but that it’s understandably hard to deal with things like planning a wedding/getting a ring when he doesn’t have an income and that he just wants to wait until things improve before he starts thinking about those kinds of details. I guess this makes sense, but I’m not the sort to be impressed by fancy jewelry or a big ceremony—honestly, thrift store rings and a little party with friends would make me happy—but it seems to worry him, so I now avoid the topic.

These conversations have been exacerbated in recent months due to politics. He and I are both left-leaning people, but he recently has become very obsessed with a series of popular far-left podcasts, and while I don’t disagree with much of their politics I find them very abrasive, and I find him constantly parroting them back at me. It feels like every conversation now begins with “Well today on CTH so-and-so said,” and every serious conversation about money or healthcare or rent or work ends in “The spineless Democrats couldn’t commit to actual socialist change and Obamacare didn’t do enough to make healthcare accessible, I can’t possibly get health insurance” or “Neoliberalism has just totally fucked the job market, what do you want from me? Until the state actually makes an investment in the people, it’s basically impossible,” or whatever. These don’t devolve into crazy screaming matches or anything, but it just is starting to bum me out that any conversation I try to have that involves any sort of financial/family/health planning just always gets shut down with a snide remark about how the system is fucked and there’s nothing he can do.

I also find it annoying that he had little-to-no interest in politics before this and was not at all politically active; he’s honestly not even registered to vote. Regardless of your political leaning left or right, I find it a little upsetting to be lectured by anyone who refuses to participate in the system because “it’s so broken.” (I am not an especially outspoken person but I do vote in local and national elections, volunteer in my community, and regularly give money to causes and charities I care about.)

I feel shitty because he thinks I’m being very bourgeoise and making too much of a big deal over money, which is the last thing I want to do. But it’s starting to make me feel crazy. I also sometimes get the feeling that he RESENTS me for “selling out” or something like that—that I’m “part of the problem” because I have a corporate day job. On top of that, I think I sometimes feel resentful since as a white dude who comes from a lot of money, I feel that life has given him more opportunities than me (child of Filipino immigrants & female) and it frustrates me—I know that’s not always just how the system works, but it really does feel that I have had to work much harder for many things.

I am starting to feel that he is just repeating these political things as a way to avoid the sorts of dull and banal adult conversations one has to have about things like money and the future and commitment, but I know he thinks that I am just not politically informed enough and that I “follow the rules” too much. But I also worry that maybe I AM just being shallow and placing unreasonable expectations upon him. I feel really guilty, but I also don’t think it’s TOTALLY unreasonable for me to have some concerns here. What should I do? Am I not being understanding enough of his situation?

TL;DR: It is starting to bother me that after 5 years, my boyfriend hasn’t really gotten a real job or insurance and turns any conversation about these things into politics. I feel badly because he thinks I am just being very bourgeoise, but this also is starting to feel like an excuse to me, and that he’s just parroting back some of the things he reads/listens to. I am not really sure how to broach this, and I’m also worried that maybe I AM being crazy and shallow. Am I in the wrong here? What should I do?

Still is a wall of text, but maybe a but more manageable.

You're doing the Lord's work, son.

Thanks, but I'm going to delete it because he reformatted.

Creepy lazy white dude exploits his submissive pinoy girlfriend. This is what /r/hapas warned us about.

Guy who doesn't work and lives off the labour of others calls those who do bourgeoise... like how the fuck can you have so little self-awareness.

That's exactly what Marx did, though

Marx didn't rip on those that worked though.

Dude actually it's you who are misreading Marx. He was always shitposting on twitter about how he shouldn't have to work, saying that tendies are a universal human right and anyone who has a job is a wagecuck and a normie.

Marx didn't rip on those that worked though

Yeah? How do you explain this passage from the communist manifesto then, hotshot?

Guy who doesn't work and lives off the labour of others calls those who do bourgeoise...

The Biography of Karl Marx

That's like 90% of them though.

He should talk to those /r/ChapoTrapHouse fuckers, I hear they're making mad bank with a podcast accusing everyone of being bourgie.

I just looked to see what the hell CTH was and found their patreon page. It's nearly $65,000 a month. They also lock down content to paying people on patreon only.

I think they release every other episode for free.

At least that's what they used to do.

At $65,000 a month, does that seem a little off to you. Considering what the wikipedia article says about them, it seems like they should have all their episodes for free. I guess doing the minimum to verify their values is good enough for them.

At $65,000 a month, does that seem a little off to you.

If I knew what a good business plan looked like do you think I'd be posting on /r/drama?

Fuck man, you and I could go into business together and wreck it in record time. Knowing my luck, it would be extremely successful.

It's exploitative. No one's getting the full value of their time listening to Chapo Trap House.

I admit that I'm jealous that they get paid so well for the effort they put in. Suckering money out of idiots is the American way. I have never heard of them and never heard a single thing they said so I may be too harsh, but I doubt that they're any different than anything you can find on YouTube for the price of watching ads.

hint: if you want it free search for "black wolf feed"

$65,000 a month

Hah! Who's the deadbeat socialist now, mom girlfriend!?

Certainly not them. They got their money so fuck all of us slobs that make in a year what they do in one month.

I'm just saying, there's clearly a market for smug, self-satisfied lefty podcasts. CB2 is missing out on millions by being a subreddit instead of a podcast.

That's a million dollar idea there. I never would have figured that would be a huge money maker, but apparently it is.

/u/ladyjerry Communism has nothing to do with having a job

Ayyyyyy

Yeah definitely misspoke there...😅 meant to say that your job has little to do with being able to authentically support communism, unless you're a CEO or landlord or manager or something. Immediately regretted it after I clicked post

There are no managers in communism. Only guys with hammers.

Why do you hate freedom?

why do you not?

/u/anotherthr0waway2222, do you want to be a mod of /r/neoliberal?

mod me bitch I know more about neoliberalism than you do

lmk when you have relationship problems with chapo users besides PK

I have relationship problems with chapo users besides PK

tag them here and talk it out

/u/Kirbyoto tell the nice man about our relationship problems so I can be a mod of /r/neoliberal

no idea who you are dude

#rekt

see the abuse I have to put up with /u/DracoX872? whenever we're in public he pretends he doesn't know me. texbook gaslighting right there. if that's not a relationship problem I don't know what is.

now you have to mod me.

/u/Kirbyoto is /u/anotherthr0waway2222 ur gf?

alternatively are any of your buddies at /r/trapochaphouse having relationship problems?

I'm not going to echo any of the calvinistic "your boyfriend is worthless if he doesn't work hard enough" sentiments expressed all over this thread, but as a listener of CTH

How can people miss the point this hard? He's not worthless because he doesn't work hard enough, he's worthless because he doesn't work at all and is putting incredible amounts of pressure on that woman to take care of both of them and potentially a future child.

what's the point of having a gf if you're not going to exploit their labor?

this but unironically

How can people miss the point this hard? He's not worthless because he doesn't work hard enough, he's worthless because he doesn't work at all and is putting incredible amounts of pressure on that woman to take care of both of them and potentially a future child.

Eh, you get what you settle for

/u/black_rose_

I'm an anarchist/communist. I work full-time. I love my job. I do it because I love it. It makes the world better. Yes, we're stuck in the system, but you can't let that paralyze you!

This person also lives in a box truck... A person living in a box truck is giving relationship advice. Lmao

There used to be a guy named Jimmy who was a line cook at a greasy spoon cafe I would frequent after a night of glutenous alcohol consumption. One night he revealed that he and his family lived in a Ryder truck. This was due to being evicted from their previous home for a plethora of methamphetamine related criminal mischief.

At the time I simply thought that was sad for he and his family, however now I realize this was just a man ahead of the times.

You say "box truck".

I hear "mobile sex kitchen".

"Rape Wagon"

What are the odds that the bf is a chapo bitch?

100%, if you look at the original statement here

oh right, good shit.

What I find most shocking is she found a good marketing job with an arts degree