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Everything is fine in moderation, we just have to find that balance and the Diaperfur community

Yes we need both the balance AND the diaperfur community. Only then can we have true freedom

Everything is fine in moderation, we just have to find that balance and the Diaperfur community seems to mostly have it down.

Sorry if my placement of parenthesis was confusing, but this is the full sentence. It kinda changes what it means.

Cultural appropriation of OAP culture! how dare he belittle the oppression of no bladder control!

Ha, that's actually pretty funny. It seems pretty fresh for the type of joke it is too because of the subject matter.

Did you just assume a fresh diaper? triggered

he said what we were all thinking.

U cant emote 2me 😡

Who are you to judge him for his fetish tho? What is there to ACTUALLY object to it other than it makes you feel uncomfortable?

Of course you'd think that. You're a pedophile too.

Nice ad hominem. Do you have any real arguments tho?

Look, I'll happily discuss this with you (or anyone else for that matter) but in another thread. Your weak ad hominems won't work on me. Please give proper arguments.

The fact that you are discussing your interest with me is a proof that you do.

That is probably the easiest path.

Ah, yeah it is about me indeed. I was quite flattered by the video. :p

That's not an ad hominem, you child fucking mongoloid. It's just an insult. Nobody actually cares about engaging in a debate with you because you're so far up your own ass justifying your desire to fantasize about raping children, it'd be utterly pointless.

But congrats on being nearly 9 months child porn free. Here's hoping you're not replacing that with actual child rape.

That's not an ad hominem, you child fucking mongoloid. It's just an insult.

Ad hominem means an attack "on person". An insult is an attack on the person, not to his arguments. Insults are ad hominems.

Nobody actually cares about engaging in a debate with you because you're so far up your own ass justifying your desire to fantasize about raping children, it'd be utterly pointless.

I've not justified rape of anyone in this thread. Please read it before making idiotic comments like this one.

But congrats on being nearly 9 months child porn free.

Thank you.

Here's hoping you're not replacing that with actual child rape.

I'm not.

Ad hominem means an attack "on person". An insult is an attack on the person, not to his arguments. Insults are ad hominems.

No, you stupid fuck. It's only ad hominem if someone's offering a rebuttal to an argument of yours invalid using a personal attack. If people aren't even engaging in a debate with you, it's just invective, you kiddie diddling autist.

I've not justified rape of anyone in this thread. Please read it before making idiotic comments like this one.

Christ, you're simple.

No, you stupid fuck. It's only ad hominem if someone's offering a rebuttal to an argument of yours invalid using a personal attack.

If you didn't notice it was being used to invalidate my argument. Please pay more attention to the context.

If people aren't even engaging in a debate with you, it's just invective, you kiddie diddling autist.

Here you go again. Are you so dumb that you can't come with anything else to say?

Christ, you're simple.

Ad hominem. Please attack the argument, not the person. Do you lack any sort of self awareness?

If you didn't notice it was being used to invalidate my argument. Please pay more attention to the context.

No, you deluded child rapist, nobody is bothering to argue with you because it's useless. Nobody's attacking your argument - they're attacking you.

Jesus, you're dumber than a carload of downies slowly drowning in a river.

Nobody's attacking your argument - they're just attacking you.

Exactly. Thank you for agreeing with me. And guess what, this is exactly what an ad hominem is: an attack on the person instead of the argument.

You're deliberately misunderstanding, because you're a dishonest kiddy diddling piece of shit. People aren't attacking you to discredit the argument, which is what ad hominem is. The only debate here is in your mind.

Anyway, I'm sure you've got playgrounds to go jerk off near.

Because it’s morally wrong and anyone who does it should get executed via Scaphism.

So... How exactly are drawn pictures of animals in diapers morally wrong?

Well I was talking about your love of child rape, drawing animals in diapers is a freak but prolly won’t produce kids, you on the other hand need to get fucked and die a horrible death.

Well I was talking about your love of child rape,

1. I do not love child rape, I despise it
2. That is a pretty pathetic strawman
3. This thread isn't about me, make an another thread if you feel like it

the guy drawing animals in diapers is a freak but prolly won’t produce kids,

Then why did you feel need to respond to a question of what's wrong with it? Be more conscious of what you're responding to.

you on the other hand need to get fucked and die a horrible death.

Please come up with more interesting/unique threats/cursing so I don't have to waste time reading unoriginal and lazy shit like this that I've seen thousand (probably more tbh) times before.

Didn’t despise it when you jacking off to it now did you, you just ignored it at the time. I just responded to that question because I didn’t want my comment to be buried. Maybe people are telling you those things because what you did is considered one of the most horrible thing across the non Muslim world. Don’t get to act self righteous when you raped a child, you watched it you’re an accomplice to it.

Didn’t despise it when you jacking off to it now did you, you just ignored it at the time.

Since not all child pornography depicts child rape, not always. When possible I consumed child pornography which does not involve adults at all but even then I had terrible feeling of guilt and self-loathing afterwards. One of the problems when you need to get sexual gratification from child pornography is that it's not easily and quickly available so if you don't have a stash at hand you need to make do with what you find.

I just responded to that question because I didn’t want my comment to be buried.

Then learn to make better comments.

Maybe people are telling you those things because what you did is considered one of the most horrible thing across the non Muslim world.

And? The mob is seldom right.

Don’t get to act self righteous when you raped a child, you watched it you’re an accomplice to it.

The "revictimization" is highly debatable, personally I do not believe in the premise that viewing a recording is same as making it happen again.

Whatever child rapist, keep telling yourself you did nothing wrong, and how we are horrible oppressors for not supporting your child rape. Maybe one day you’ll realize what a garbage human you are and do the world a favor and kill yourself.

Whatever child rapist, keep telling yourself you did nothing wrong, and how we are horrible oppressors for not supporting your child rape.

Again good ol' ad hominems and strawmen. I have not and never will rape a child.

Maybe one day you’ll realize what a garbage human you are and do the world a favor and kill yourself.

Did you remember to pay Anita Sarkeesian licensing fees for this insult?

Also you forget that there doesn't have to be abuse of any kind to produce child pornography. A lot of child pornography is produced by children themselves. Do you think a little girl who masturbates and films it is abusing herself?

Yes, and when they have to hide they become desperate and this might eventually lead to children being harmed. If only you could think of this with logic instead of emotion.

I just spent about ten minutes reading though your post history and you honestly disgust me to the core. You're a pedo apologist. Every single pedo is a predator, Every single one. There is no such thing as a pedo who just loves children "and would never harm them!" like you try to bullshit about. Consuming child pornography is consuming the victimization and rape of a child. Its is the sexual gratification coming from a powerplay between an adult and someone defenseless. Consuming cp made from a child themselves is still victimizing the child. You are the adult and you should have the self-responsibility to not consume pornography made by someone who can't make a reasonable decision about thier own body and sexuality themselves.

Everytime pedo shit comes up somewhere on reddit, you have to pop in to defend "that harmless pedo who just wants a consensual relationship with children" Absolutely no such thing. Any pedo who tries to defend their own fucked up paraphilia is a dangerous pedo because their completely unself-aware about their own mental illness and the danger they pose to innocents. Turn yourself to into the police or non-ironically kill yourself. I mean it, hang yourself. I was bullied as a child and molested too, and I've had sexual fantasies starting when I hit puberty that I've been deeply ashamed of. Unlike you, I went to therapy immediately because I had no illusion about how fucked up I am.

You are a sick fucking joke, a disgusting predator, and criminal who should be chemically castrated. You already made your choice, and that choice was to consume the suffering of children for your own sexual pleasure. Stop posting on reddit and get that noose set up. Thanks for making me feel better about myself. Now when I feel guilty about jerking to loli hentai, I can think about you and tell that gun "not today old friend"

Holy moly that's insane.

I just spent about ten minutes reading though your post history and you honestly disgust me to the core.

Thank you for reading some of it. Though It's a shame that your comment still ended up very aggressive and ignorant.

You're a pedo apologist.

Depends on what you mean by "pedo". I do think that preferential paedophiles deserve more sympathy. There should be a lot more effort put in preventing situational offenders but I'm not quite sure of what form that could take, too bad no one is researching this.

Every single pedo is a predator, Every single one.

Depends on what you mean by "predator". If a predator is someone who actively tries to engage in sexual activities with children then you would be wrong. If a predator includes someone who merely has urges for it but would never do it then sure, you'd be correct.

There is no such thing as a pedo who just loves children "and would never harm them!" like you try to bullshit about.

I don't know how many paedophiles you've met but in my anecdotal experience this is just flat out wrong. I get it you react to these things very emotionally and there is no convincing you otherwise but maybe this reply will convince someone else who happens to read this thread.

Consuming child pornography is consuming the victimization and rape of a child.

This is debatable. The issue of "revictimization" is not a settled matter and in addition not all child pornography has a victim. Who is a victim when a child decides to film herself doing something she enjoys? Her parents?

Its is the sexual gratification coming from a powerplay between an adult and someone defenseless.

Most paedophiles I've met are submissive and would like to be dominated by a child. The powerplay myth is probably true for situational offenders but in my anecdotal experience it is COMPLETE bullshit when it comes to preferential paedophiles.

Consuming cp made from a child themselves is still victimizing the child.

So there is a victim even though there was no victim even when producing the child pornography? This reasoning is how illegality of drawn child pornography (your loli hentai) in many places.

You are the adult and you should have the self-responsibility to not consume pornography made by someone who can't make a reasonable decision about thier own body and sexuality themselves.

Ok, finally we have something interesting we could actually argue about. Personally I hold the belief that sex and sexuality are not inherently harmful and thus one there is no need for fully informed consent. I believe that many children have enough knowledge about the subject to give a reasonable informed consent but this is very individual.

Because I personally value consent very highly I would only do something sexual with a child where she was the initiator and without any coercion or manipulation. I do realize that the chances are that this will never happen but that's what you get for having strong moral code.

Everytime pedo shit comes up somewhere on reddit, you have to pop in

I don't respond to that big portion of the pedo threads on reddit. It's nowhere near "every". I used to however comment on almost every relevant thread in the past, I had a query of something like: padophile OR padophiles OR padophilia OR padophilic OR pedophile OR pedophiles OR pedophilia OR pedophilic

to defend "that harmless pedo who just wants a consensual relationship with children"

I don't usually argue about specific people but about the stuff in general.

Absolutely no such thing. Any pedo who tries to defend their own fucked up paraphilia is a dangerous pedo because they're completely unself-aware about their own mental illness and the danger they pose to innocents.

I am perfectly aware of what kind of threat you along with a large portion of the society see me as. I defend my position because I believe that your view stems from a false premise of sex and sexuality being inherently harmful to people.

Turn yourself to into the police or non-ironically kill yourself. I mean it, hang yourself.

I'm not gonna do either. Sorry.

I was bullied as a child and molested too

I'm sorry to hear that.

and I've had sexual fantasies starting when I hit puberty that I've been deeply ashamed of.

And this is very unfortunate as well. But don't worry, I'm a living example that you can get over this feeling and lead a mostly normal life despite them.

Unlike you, I went to therapy immediately because I had no illusion about how fucked up I am.

Unlike you I don't need therapy anymore. That's right, I've gone to therapy and it did help me get over the self-loathing. Once you learn to live with your sexuality life becomes a lot easier.

You are a sick fucking joke, a disgusting predator, and criminal who should be chemically castrated.

sigh

Please come up with more unique and interesting insults so reading them won't be such a waste of time. And I've been offered chemical castration but I refused.

You already made your choice, and that choice was to consume the suffering of children for your own sexual pleasure.

When I first saw child pornography I was around 10. It wasn't my only outlet then, probably because I didn't know any place to get it reliably. But later when I started to be more conscious about who and what I am attracted to I started to seek it out more since it was the only thing to give me proper satisfaction. It is not an easy situation to get rid of something like that but I managed.

Stop posting on reddit and get that noose set up.

yawn

Thanks for making me feel better about myself.

No probs I guess.

Now when I feel guilty about jerking to loli hentai,

Which in many parts of the world has just as strict prison sentences as real child pornography.

I can think about you and tell that gun "not today old friend"

Maybe you should get rid of that gun.

So there is a victim even though there was no victim even when producing the child pornography? This reasoning is how illegality of drawn child pornography (your loli hentai) in many places.

The child who uploads pornography of themselves is unaware of the consequences of doing so, that they are not only promoting to pedophiles the idea that children and sexuality are compatible (they're not), but also (similar to the relationship of revenge porn and consent of pornography uploaded on the internet) the fact that they are putting up sexualized porn of themselves when they can't possibly understand the ramifications and long-term consequences of it. They can not consent to uploading pornography of themselves and adults should not take advantage of their ignorance.

I have no illusions about the legality of drawn cp in other countries and fully support it. Its incredibly hypocritical, but I don't ever want to be the person trying to defend harmful fantasies (in regard to a pedos own mental illness and health.) If it was illegal in my country I would probably stop using it to jerk off and be the much better person for it.

I am perfectly aware of what kind of threat you along with a large portion of the society see me as. I defend my position because I believe that your view stems from a false premise of sex and sexuality being inherently harmful to people.

I am most certainly not sex-negative, but you can bet your ass I'm sex-negative in regards to children. What the fuck is wrong with you? Every statistic in regards to child sexual abuse shows how harmful it it. This is why I can't take you seriously because you seem to be defending this hypothetical idea that it's possible to have a healthy sexual relationship with children when that's the most disgusting thing I've ever heard.

I'm not a "true" pedophile (as my philia is more akin to sexual fantasies and not a sexual orientation and the peedos on the interwebz have a dumb fucking term for it that I can't be fucked to remember) but at no point have I ever once in my life tried to defend it as healthy, which is why you piss me off so much.

The child who uploads pornography of themselves is unaware of the consequences of doing so

Some of them are, some of them aren't. This is a very broad generalization you're making.

that they are not only promoting to pedophiles the idea that children and sexuality are compatible (they're not)

Debatable. Scientific evidence is very lacking and inconclusive.

but also (similar to the relationship of revenge porn and consent of pornography uploaded on the internet) the fact that they are putting up sexualized porn of themselves

The privacy violation aspect that's similiar to revenge porn is a very valid point.

when they can't possibly understand the ramifications and long-term consequences of it.

Some of them can, some of them can't. This is a very broad generalization you're making.

They can not consent to uploading pornography of themselves and adults should not take advantage of their ignorance.

They can consent. It's just that the governments (and presumably you) doesn't recognize it as valid. This does not mean there is no consent or that they cannot give consent.

I have no illusions about the legality of drawn cp in other countries and fully support it. Its incredibly hypocritical, but I don't ever want to be the person trying to defend harmful fantasies (in regard to a pedos own mental illness and health.) If it was illegal in my country I would probably stop using it to jerk off and be the much better person for it.

Laws don't define morality. The idea that they would is downright laughable.

I am most certainly not sex-negative

You might not think you are but this is one topic that actually shows who is sex positive and who is sex negative.

but you can bet your ass I'm sex-negative in regards to children.

Exactly, you apply it selectively. Only positive towards sex that is the norm in your society. Keep in mind that these taboos are completely cultural and don't necessarily have any valid basis in anyhing else.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Every statistic in regards to child sexual abuse shows how harmful it it.

Child sexual abuse studies are done with abuse victims. Drawing conclusions about consensual relationships from these studies is intellectually dishonest.

This is why I can't take you seriously because you seem to be defending this hypothetical idea that it's possible to have a healthy sexual relationship with children when that's the most disgusting thing I've ever heard.

I have yet to see scientific evidence to the contrary. I have heard many anecdotal stories about people's own positive sexual relationships with adults when they were children. There is really no reason to believe that having a such relationship is somewhow impossible.

I'm not a "true" pedophile (as my philia is more akin to sexual fantasies and not a sexual orientation and the peedos on the interwebz have a dumb fucking term for it that I can't be fucked to remember) but at no point have I ever once in my life tried to defend it as healthy, which is why you piss me off so much.

I don't really know what term you are looking for. It's unfortunate that the fact that I don't accept the dogma without evidence pissess you off. Maybe you should start to be more critical as well.

I typed up a whole response to you but then I realized, I just don't care. You're the most worthless piece of scum on the earth, a literal maggot. I know for a fact that you're going to relapse because you don't understand how fucked up you are (which makes my curious why you stopped jerking it to cp in the first place if you don't think it was wrong), therefore you're not even worth the debate. I agree with the other posters here, telling you to kill yourself immediately is probably the most effective thing to do. I don't feel like responding to things every normal person should believe anyways (that sex with children is rape always).

I typed up a whole response to you but then I realized, I just don't care.

And after that you realized that you do care and wrote this second response?

You're the most worthless piece of scum on the earth, a literal maggot.

Nothing but ad hominems.

I know for a fact that you're going to relapse

Oh yeah?

because you don't understand how fucked up you are (which makes my curious why you stopped jerking it to cp in the first place if you don't think it was wrong)

It's like you hadn't even read anything in this fucking thread. Please do that before commenting any further.

therefore you're not even worth the debate.

Then maybe you should just leave and focus on something else.

I agree with the other posters here, telling you to kill yourself immediately is probably the most effective thing to do.

What a lazy cop out.

I don't feel like responding to things every normal person should believe anyways (that sex with children is rape always).

That is not something a normal thing should believe as there is no scientific evidence. The only source for this is the taboos in our culture and nothing else.

Also statutory rape != rape.

Do you really need to copy paste and reply to every single line?

I like to be clear about what I'm responding to.

Just so everyone can be fully on board with how retarded you are?

Keep yourself safe!

Why the fuck do you type your paragraphs like that? Jesus christ

Kids can't consent. You know how likely it is that a kid who posts sexual content of themselves online is probably being abused off camera and thinks this is normal and all fun? Its not normal or all fun you fucking freak.

Yeah and I've had child porn sent to me and I started crying because I realized right away kids were suffering in that. Fucking freak. I saw a literal baby get raped. An actual baby. You know fucking a baby can lead to their death? How is any of this shit fun? How does a fucking baby consent to your fucked up porn?

No child ever fucking can consent to sex you dumbass. You realize this is the argument actual rapists used against me? Like I had any idea this was something serious?

No kid goes out of their way to have sex with adults "without being manipulated" because everytime that happens its revealed the kid was raped and thinks sex is what you do with friends.

Honestly please kill yourself before you rape a kid and tell yourself "she was consenting!"

Now you're gonna link that stupid ass study thats been debunked that claims some kids have sex and enjoy it!!1

Why the fuck do you type your paragraphs like that? Jesus christ

Do you mean my way of responding to comments? It's just my posting style.

Kids can't consent.

They can and they do. Consent does not require parties be fully infomed or anyone else's approval.

You know how likely it is that a kid who posts sexual content of themselves online is probably being abused off camera and thinks this is normal and all fun?

I was posting sexual content and wasn't abused off camera. Why should I make any kind of assumptions about anyone else? Sure some of them might or might not be abused of camera, but that doesn't make it any less fun if they decide to do it on their own.

Its not normal or all fun you fucking freak.

Says you. The only reason it isn't normal are silly taboos in our culture. And it most definitely is fun to masturbate on camera.

Yeah and I've had child porn sent to me and I started crying because I realized right away kids were suffering in that.

You've seen a bit of child pornography, congratulations. Now don't assume that all of it depicts child abuse like the stuff you saw.

Fucking freak. I saw a literal baby get raped. An actual baby.

And what difference does this make for the cases where a 10 year old decided to masturbate on camera? That's right, none. These two situations don't really have anything to do with each other.

You know fucking a baby can lead to their death?

Yes, I do know that. And the people in the video probably did too. And they probably killed the baby afterwards anyways. Yes, I do find this disgusting and I would love to serve vigilante justice to people like that. But this has nothing to do with videos of 10 year olds who decided to film themselves masturbating.

How is any of this shit fun?

I'm the wrong person to ask. I'm not the people on the video and I don't find rape, especially child rape fun. Why are you trying to credit me with views I do not hold? That is a fallacy called "straw man", please come up with legitimate arguments to my actual views.

How does a fucking baby consent to your fucked up porn?

I've never claimed a baby does. Again, straw men...

No child ever fucking can consent to sex you dumbass.

I already responded to this in the beginning. Please at least say something like "no child (for whatever definition of a child) can give fully informed consent to sex, you dumbass". And if you would like to avoid more fallacies you can drop the insult as well.

You realize this is the argument actual rapists used against me? Like I had any idea this was something serious?

I'm inclined to not believe a word you say about arguments given to you as you've not expressed any understanding of the arguments I've made and instead assigned me some views I do not hold.

No kid goes out of their way to have sex with adults "without being manipulated" because everytime that happens its revealed the kid was raped and thinks sex is what you do with friends.

There are more ways to find out about sex and sexuality at young age than just getting raped. This is a very silly statement from you. Also there is nothing wrong with believing that sex is an activity to do with your friends.

Honestly please kill yourself before you rape a kid and tell yourself "she was consenting!"

yawn

I'm not going to rape anyone.

Now you're gonna link that stupid ass study thats been debunked that claims some kids have sex and enjoy it!!

You really make a lot of baseless assumptions. This statement makes it seem like you actually believe that the study is not flawed and taht you will be expected to acknowledge it.

Pedophiles are already disgusting, but pedos who delude themselves into thinking some kids may enjoy it absolutely need to be killed.

Ok. That's just like, your opinion mate.

A ten year old who masturbates and posts it online and sends it to adults is clearly fucked up.

No kid thinks "hey I like playing with my private parts, time to send it to adults!"

At the very least they will explore by themselves and not bring harm. Or with other children.

Its natural for kids to be curious about sex but that means they do it without posting it and showing it to adults. Adults aren't supposed to be interfering and taking advantage of their youth.

Doesnt matter if "kids consented to it" or "it was by themself and no one else" because every pedo will look at that, jack off, and crave for more. They will crave for more than just masturbation, they will look to upgrade to kids actually being raped.

Its a slippery slope. How do you know someone isnt telling that kid to touch themself and upload it for them? How do you know they aren't being abused off camera or have been raped since they were born?

Do you know how many kids in trafficking who entire life was just sex? Who for a long time didn't realize none of that wasn't normal? They began to love sex or see it as normal because its all they ever did. They had no idea. You wouldn't think they were being raped because they "consented" but they didn't understand the severity of it until later

And once they did, they developed PTSD.

Seriously have you ever read testimonies of kids who grew up in sex trafficking? Ever? They all say something like "all the kids in there were sex slaves since they were born, some of the kids who were kidnapped and taken from a loving home were upset.. but I didn't understand why at the time..."

How do you know they're not a product of that? How do you know you're not watching a severely abused victim who is brainwashed to believe having sex with adults or masturbating is all okay?

And every pedo from NAMBALA or whatever to your buddies in pro contact forums LOVE to bring up that study. Yes I know why it was debunked, its a famous study that was used to advocate for lowering age of consent.

Kids do not enjoy sex with adults.

How many children with stories of PTSD, death, manipulation and grooming does it take for you to realize this: no young girl who is perfectly healthy or sane will ever want to fuck you?

Your desire to jack off is stronger than your care of children's wellbeings. Lmao. You seriously think a kid can enjoy sex with adults and were never ever manipulated or abused into thinking so.

Go tell every child trafficking survivor that you believe some of the kids in there might have enjoyed it because they were ethusasic about having sex once. Or because they uploaded videos of them masturbating once so it means they 100% consented and weren't being abused off camera.

Stop with the fucking paragraphs jesus christ

ur right, i need to go back to shitposting

Sorry for the outburst but I have the attention span of an infant

same, i wasn't gonna type in paragraphs originslly but I wanted to be taken more seriously on this topic.

idk i just get so pissed off whenever this topic comes up i stop shitposting for a moment and act like im in a debate club again

Sorry this reply is a bit late, I didn't want to reply to such a long comment i the morning so I waited until I got back from work.

A ten year old who masturbates and posts it online and sends it to adults is clearly fucked up.

Yes. This is a common cultural thing. Anything that breaks the sexual taboos is fucked up or neurotic. Be aware that it is only "clearly fucked up" because of your own cultural biases.

No kid thinks "hey I like playing with my private parts, time to send it to adults!"

You're deluding yourself. Do you have any idea of how many children there are? Do you honestly believe that none of them thinks that? Especially now that smartphones are so commonplace.

At the very least they will explore by themselves and not bring harm. Or with other children.

Yes, they do that. But some also explore themselves online or with adults.

Its natural for kids to be curious about sex but that means they do it without posting it and showing it to adults.

Them doing their exploration observing or interacting with adults does not suddenly make it unnatural.

Adults aren't supposed to be interfering and taking advantage of their youth.

And who is this authority that determines what anyone is "supposed" to do? Why do you think this authority is anyone but the person themselves when it comes to sexuality?

Doesnt matter if "kids consented to it" or "it was by themself and no one else" because every pedo will look at that, jack off, and crave for more. They will crave for more than just masturbation, they will look to upgrade to kids actually being raped.

Your progression from seeing someone masturbate to wanting to see that person harmed is odd.

If a X is attracted to Y it doesn't usually mean that the X wants to see Y hurt.

If a man is attracted to women it doesn't usually mean that the man wants to see women hurt.

If a paedophile is attracted to girls it doesn't usually mean that the paedophile wants to see girls hurt.

Its a slippery slope. How do you know someone isnt telling that kid to touch themself and upload it for them?

There can be someone online making requests, as long as there is no coercion and the child isn't being tricked I don't think it's all that wrong. I have not given this situation much thought yet so this view might change.

How do you know they aren't being abused off camera or have been raped since they were born?

I don't know. And I don't really think it makes any difference. Even if a child did experience something like tht she should still have the freedom to explore her own sexuality on her own terms despite it.

Do you know how many kids in trafficking who entire life was just sex? Who for a long time didn't realize none of that wasn't normal? They began to love sex or see it as normal because its all they ever did. They had no idea. You wouldn't think they were being raped because they "consented" but they didn't understand the severity of it until later

This has nothing to do with the rest of the thread.

And once they did, they developed PTSD.

And this.

Seriously have you ever read testimonies of kids who grew up in sex trafficking? Ever? They all say something like "all the kids in there were sex slaves since they were born, some of the kids who were kidnapped and taken from a loving home were upset.. but I didn't understand why at the time..."

And this.

How do you know they're not a product of that?

I wouldn't. But refer to my previous point.

How do you know you're not watching a severely abused victim who is brainwashed to believe having sex with adults or masturbating is all okay?

There is no reason it isn't ok other than the taboos in our culture. A society where such things being completely acceptable or even encouraged isn't that hard do imagine. One nice depiction is Aldous Huxley's Brave New World.

And every pedo from NAMBALA or whatever to your buddies in pro contact forums LOVE to bring up that study. Yes I know why it was debunked, its a famous study that was used to advocate for lowering age of consent.

I don't participate in any pro contact forums or any pedo forums at all. Also why do you feel the need to bring up some specific study if you think it's debunked.

Kids do not enjoy sex with adults.

Most kids probably don't. Some kids for sure do. Please don't make such broad generalizations, they make you seem like an idiot.

How many children with stories of PTSD, death, manipulation and grooming does it take for you to realize this: no young girl who is perfectly healthy or sane will ever want to fuck you?

Why do you think such stories have anything to do with what a perfectly healthy and sane girl would want to do? You cannot draw conclusions about healthy people by observing ill people. You cannot draw conclusions from raped children and apply them to children who haven't been raped or have had consensual sex.

Your desire to jack off is stronger than your care of children's wellbeings. Lmao.

And this is based on... what?

You seriously think a kid can enjoy sex with adults and were never ever manipulated or abused into thinking so.

You should read about falsifiability. Your absolutist statements are false even if just one child would enjoy sex with adults without manipulation or abuse. There are definitely children like that. Instead of using such absolute terms you could try saying "most" or "nearly all".

Go tell every child trafficking survivor that you believe some of the kids in there might have enjoyed it because they were ethusasic about having sex once.

This has nothing to do with the previous point you made. And again, just because child trafficking victims generally didn't enjoy sex and were hurt from it for life doesn't mean that it also applies to children who voluntarily and consensually engage in sexual activities with someone they care about. These situations are very different.

Or because they uploaded videos of them masturbating once so it means they 100% consented and weren't being abused off camera.

What? What makes you think I would say something like this? Are you projecting your own sick views on me or are you just a fucking retard?

There is no such thing as a pedo who just loves children "and would never harm them!" like you try to bullshit about.

Well that's completely wrong, people are constantly have wishes they never implement irl. If you have this ideas the only logical thing would be to gas all pedos / put them in jail indefinetly.

The mere concept of wanting to fuck children is the same as wanting to harm them. That was more what I was going for, not that all pedos can't control themselves.

Wanting to have sexual relations with children comes from affection, love and high empathy for children. Wanting to harm children comes from hate, anger and low empathy for children.

If you wanted to argue that all sexual activity between an adult and a child is harmful then you need to show some evidence. Pro tip: you can't.

If you have sexual attraction to children then you are sick and need help. You cannot feel sexual attraction to a kid and it be on par with just caring for kids. Feeling sexual attraction towards a kid is impossible without wanting to harm them because that's what molestation does.

If you have sexual attraction to children then you are sick and need help.

I do, and I've sook help.

You cannot feel sexual attraction to a kid and it be on par with just caring for kids.

Says who? You?

Feeling sexual attraction towards a kid is impossible without wanting to harm them because that's what molestation does.

There is no scientific proof of sexual relations between adults and children always being harmful. It is most definitely possible to want to do sexual things with them without wanting to hurt them.

I do, and I've sook help. Clearly it hasn't helped because you staunchly defend child molestation. Says who? You? Says general logic. Children are innocent and cannot consent. Molestation hurts them, no way around that. There is no scientific proof of sexual relations between adults and children always being harmful. It is most definitely possible to want to do sexual things with them without wanting to hurt them. You don't need a study to say molesting a child hurts them. That is concrete. You are sick.

Clearly it hasn't helped because you staunchly defend child molestation.

I only support sexual activities between adult and a child under quite strict circumstances. If you call that "staunchly defending child molestation" then ok.

Says general logic. Children are innocent and cannot consent.

Everyone can consent. There is nothing preventing them from consenting. The difference between their consent and adults' consent is that the governments (and presumably you) don't recognize it as valid. This does not make the consent disappear.

Molestation hurts them, no way around that.

Again? How many times do I have to repeat this? There is no scientific evidence of this. There is no evidence that willing and consenting child will be harmed by sexual contact with an adult.

You don't need a study to say molesting a child hurts them. That is concrete. You are sick.

Yes, you need to study it. If you don't study it you can't make any claims of it being harmful to children.

I only support sexual activities between adult and a child under quite strict circumstances. If you call that "staunchly defending child molestation" then ok.

You are a pedophilic monster. I don't need a study to say water is wet, I don't need a study to say child molestation is wrong. You are sick. Please get some professional help. Fucking monster.

You are a pedophilic monster.
You are sick.
Fucking monster.

These ad hominem don't make my arguments any less valid.

I don't need a study to say water is wet

Wetness is just existence of liquid. Since water is liquid form of hydrogen dioxide we do not have to study it. It is true by the definition of those words, it's a tautology. Sex between a child and an adult being harmful is not such a tautology.

I don't need a study to say child molestation is wrong.

We aren't talking about right or wrong. We are talking about sexual interactions between adult and a child being harmful. There is no study that could conclude wether something is right or wrong because that is subjective. But we can study what effects those sexual interactions would have for children and to be able to assert that they are always harmful you first need to do such studies and show the results.

Please get some professional help.

I have gotten professional help.

Right and wrong isn't subjective. Murder is wrong. Child molestation is wrong. And you need actual help. Do you need me to refer you to a psychologist?

Christ alive, someone should cart that freak off to the pokey for the term of his natural life.

Now when I feel guilty about jerking to loli hentai, I can think about you and tell that gun "not today old friend"

Savage

I'm glad to see that you're actually a smart and reasonable person, trying to get these guys to tell you an actual point instead of bullshit.

If you're siding with a criminal pedophile, you should kill yourself too. Non-ironically.

What leads you to believe the guy is a "criminal pedophile"? Do you mean child molester?

He consumed child pornography. Ergo he is a criminal.

Evidence of that? Was it in the past and how long ago? Did he get consequences or is he remorseful for his actions?

Should I be expecting this much info from a troll? Probably not.

I did consume child pornography from early teens until 8 months and 23 days ago. Ending it was quite a difficult process. There were several reasons for why I stopped and I can get to those som other time.

I'm not a troll and this information is also available in my post history.

I was calling the Kothmingow guy a troll, actually, not you.

Congratulations on stopping, it was wrong that you did it but the fact that you stopped despite it being difficult and kept away from it means you're a good person.

I was calling the Kothmingow guy a troll, actually, not you.

Oh, ok.

Congratulations on stopping, it was wrong that you did it but the fact that you stopped despite it being difficult and kept away from it means you're a good person.

One of the more difficult parts was when I told somoene that I had been a whole month without even though it was really difficult and instead of giving some kind of support for stopping I instead got called names. Also the fact that I was still just as much a criminal under the law as I was previously is still kind of making it seem like not worth all the effort.

Even though I've been without for almost 9 months I can still be prosecuted for it for another year and three months. What is the point of stopping if you can still get your life just as badly ruined after almost two years of stopping? It's a longass time.

You should stop because its wrong, not fear of consequences. This just further proves you're human filth. You see no reason to do the right thing, or even the non-vile thing, except to avoid punishment. You're a broken animal.

Nice assumptions and nice ad hominems. Actions one takes can have more than one cause.

Not a troll. I'm actually seriousposting on r/drama. Don't congratulate this asshole on doing something every normal sane person should do, you know, not fucking watching cp. Remorse doesn't matter, because the pedo isn't important at all. The victim is. You should be feeling sorry for the victim who had her sexual abuse used as porn for the sick fucks like /u/StallmanTheGrey.

Pedophiles always want credit for shit they're supposed to do.

So someone who was tricked into starting smoking in early teens should not be congratulated for having stopped it decades later?

A pedophile will brag about shit a normal man just does.

A pedophile will say some shit like, "I don't fuck my kids."

You're supposed to not fuck kids, you dumb motherfucker.

sighs

If I make baseless accusations one of them will surely stick.

Maybe one day you'll grow up and see how dishonest your behaviour is.

Whatever will I do?

Make more baseless accusations and call him names?

I haven't fucked a single baby in my life. It's plain incorrect and you use it as an insult.

When you spend so much time arguing with people who repeat the same few ad hominems, strawmen and appeals to authority you eventually get tired of it and start to call it out.

Thanks for the compliment.

Not all pedophiles are rapists.

I would not pride myself in not having anything worthwhile to say. For most people ad hominems are the last resort, for you it seems to be the only one.

>I have no good response >I know, I'll just call him a baby rapist >That'll surely work!

Your comment is just plain incorrect.

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I don't think I've run across anyone who needed to suck-start a shotgun as much as you.

In case you think I'm being ironic, I'm not. You should absolutely kill yourself, because you bring nothing of value to the world and take a lot away.

yawn

Diaperfur? What the hell is that?

I see. Probably at least mildly NSFW.

Though, why are you browsing drama at work anyway? That's just asking for trouble. Seriously, Johnson, we worry about you sometimes.

I think this is probably the wrongest place to ask for this, but you got any sauce with that link?

Love your unashamedness.

That strawman is not very well built mr. Fallacy.

Ad hominems again. And there is no use in answering a question based on a false premise. Just because you can't come up with anything new to say doesn't mean that your stupid baseless accusations would suddenly become correct?

You refuse to say no

The question is based on completely false premise that I like raping children. There is no reason to give any answer to such a question.

Do you fiddle kiddles

☑ Yes ☒ No

Great, a question I have answered around a dozen times in this thread already. No.

Consider reading the thread before making retarded comments, thank you.

You're awfully defensive about diddling kids for someone who, supposedly, doesn't diddle kids.

Ah, a good ol' kafkatrap.

I posted this before realizing that you're without a kiddie diddler. Please, for the sake of any children you may meet in the future, neck yourself.

Please read the rest of the thread before making asinine comments like this one. Thank you.

I already did. Does that mean I'm free to make more asinine comments? For instance, the oxygen you inhale is wasted on continuing your pathetic existence. In your suicide note, you should apologize to everyone for wasting precious resources, you human garbage can.

I already did.

If you indeed had already read the thread before making that comment then how do you explain that it contradicts with what is said in the thread and you seem to lack any knowledge of this?

In your suicide note, you should apologize to everyone for wasting precious resources, you human garbage can.

I'm a contributing member of the society. I don't see any reason to write such silly things in a suicide not and I don't have any reason to commit suicide at this moment.

What do you mean? You're a kiddie diddler. You've tried to convince everyone otherwise but your guilt is pretty obvious.

Aggressive antagonizing is not the answer. If you think he's an actual child molester, take him to court.Mind you, a random comment thread on Reddit and your idiotic kafkatrapping doesn't hold up in court.

Good fucking luck with that.

I'm just enjoying him getting defensive over nothing. Who the fuck are you?

Why would you not expect him to get defensive about a serious allegation? Why wouldn't he get defensive over a serious allegation? Is what you're saying actually a serious allegation? The name's Kittypadding, nice to meet you.

Jesus you complain a lot. Its the internet. Take a break if you're taking it this seriously, you autistic fuck.

If you're not making serious allegations, don't bother with aggressively calling somebody a child molester.

Y tho

You do realize that you are committing a crime when you accuse me of serious crimes without any evidence, right?

Ok which one?

Defamation.

Lol k. Lemme know what your lawyer says about the damages to your reddit account's reputation, you fucking retard.

I did read the thread and it said you fuc kids

Going to sleep now. I'll expect at least 10 replies when I wake up. Please don't disappoint me!

Ugh

I was not disappointed.

Good!

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