He used terrorism to achieve his ends. You may agree with those ends, but he was still a terrorist. That was pretty fucking obvious, how did you not understand that, you absolute fucking chimp?
i was just unclear on weather /u/Ultrashitpost was implying it's bad to approve of bomb attacks (which would be weird) or not and i wanted him to clarify his stance
Imagine being such a faggot that you think people larping as a revolutionaries and living in mommy's basement are the same thing as Nelson Mandela.
Well, yeah, but if you're old enough to remember the 80s you'd know that one of the reasons that the CIA and MI6 agreed with labeling Mandela as a terrorist is because the ANC was communist-backed terrorist group. The ANC being a bunch of terrorists didn't make Apartheid OK, and Mandela wasn't out firebombing buildings himself, but he was affiliated with terrorists. There's been a little bit of historical revisionism to downplay that fact, so you can't blame those retards for not knowing.
Mandela's people weren't trying to kill people, only damage property of the South African government's security forces. They weren't doing what ISIS does or what antifa/white nationalists want to do.
Apartheid was terrible but back in the 70s and 80s the South African government supported the US in the Cold War. Meanwhile the ANC had some members that were very supportive of communism.
It's not "technically". The organisation that he led was responsible for multiple bombings of government property, and killed a whole bunch of innocent bystanders.
They are so oblivious as to what could have caused this. No, I think they know in the back of their minds but don't want to admit it. Too bad terrorist scum.
“And remember, kids; Once they label you terrorists they can literally murder you in the streets, black bag you, drop a JDAM on your house, torture you, whatever, it's all cool, because USAPATRIOT.”
/u/FrankManiac
Like we’re going to waste that much tax money on a bunch of smelly obese hippies. It’s cheaper to cut your welfare and food stamps and get the same result.
And remember, kids; Once you label them nazis you can literally murder them in the streets, black bag them, drop a JDAM on their house, torture them, whatever, it's all cool, because ANTIFA.
“And remember, kids; Once they label you terrorists they can literally murder you in the streets, black bag you, drop a JDAM on your house, torture you, whatever, it's all cool, because USAPATRIOT.” /u/FrankManiac
Wow, that sounds familiar...
And remember, kids; Once we label you fascists we can literally justify murdering you in the streets, bike lock you, knock over all your trash cans, torture you, whatever, it's all cool, because ANTIFA.
I guess it's easy to predict how thugs will behave when you're a thug, too.
Generally the KKK is a better example for domestic terrorism than Al Quada. The FBI will devote a concerted effort to infiltrating, monitoring, identifying, and arresting ringleaders and major leaders of the group.
If antifa are domestic terrorists than so are trump supporters
Yeah, some of them probably are. What's your point? That you and your pals should be shit-eating retards because some of the people you disagree with are shit-eating retards? Way to go, Dr. Einstein, you've chosen to be a moron on purpose because you're jealous of people who have no choice but to be morons.
According to Homeland Security, it's "terrorist" to oppose racism and fascism. White supremacist groups are often violent towards immigrants. Antifa protects these minorities and fights the bastards who brutalize them. -/u/IdeaExplorer77
Lmao this idiot actually believes breaking windows and attacking trashcans is protecting immigrants from the evil 4th Reich thats rising across the states.
You know when antifa goes home to the suburbs after sperging out, its poor immigrants who have to work cleaning up your shit. I hope they stick antifa/communists with white nationalists in jail, would make for some good entertainment tbh.
Lmao this idiot actually believes breaking windows and attacking trashcans is protecting immigrants from the evil 4th Reich thats rising across the states.
If right-wingers were even half as vile as these idiots pretend they are they'd either be home hiding under their beds or switching sides.
If the only thing stopping us from literally becoming Nazi Germany 2.0 is randomly punching people and knocking over trashcans, we're probably fucked as a society anyway.
So? Kicking over trashcans isn't a fundamental part of anti-fascism even if in protests shit happens. What some don't understand is that antifa isn't an organized group with leaders.
Islamism is not a religion. It is a anti-modernist, anti-democratic and reactionary ideology rooted in traditionalism and strict adherence to religious mores. It is by its very definition a right-wing pattern of belief and action. Leftists do not support Islamism and support stabilizing bourgeois-democratic governments such as those of Assad, Hussein and Gaddafi.
"The gang gets red pilled, and not in a commie way."
Yeah the right goes off it's rocker pretty commonly but you have to be retarded to not understand that anarchism has a long history of domestic terrorism. Did you forget about the propaganda of the deed?
You idiots are always trying to start the revolution in the exact same way the extreme right are trying to start the race wars. You're just two sides of the same retarded and violent coin that is terrorism.
The Haymarket affair (also known as the Haymarket massacre or Haymarket riot) was the aftermath of a bombing that took place at a labor demonstration on Tuesday May 4, 1886, at Haymarket Square in Chicago. It began as a peaceful rally in support of workers striking for an eight-hour day and in reaction to the killing of several workers the previous day by the police. An unknown person threw a dynamite bomb at police as they acted to disperse the public meeting. The bomb blast and ensuing gunfire resulted in the deaths of seven police officers and at least four civilians; scores of others were wounded.
Assassination of William McKinley
On September 6, 1901, William McKinley, the 25th President of the United States, was shot on the grounds of the Pan-American Exposition at the Temple of Music in Buffalo, New York. He was shaking hands with the public when Leon Czolgosz, an anarchist, shot him twice in the abdomen. McKinley died eight days later on September 14 of gangrene caused by the gunshot wounds. He was the third American president to have been assassinated, following Abraham Lincoln in 1865 and James A. Garfield in 1881.
1919 United States anarchist bombings
The 1919 United States anarchist bombings were a series of bombings and attempted bombings carried out by anarchist followers of Luigi Galleani from April through June 1919. These bombings led to the Red Scare of 1919–20.
Wall Street bombing
The Wall Street bombing occurred at 12:01 pm on September 16, 1920, in the Financial District of Manhattan, New York City. The blast killed 30 people immediately, and another eight died later of wounds sustained in the blast. There were 143 seriously injured, and the total number of injured was in the hundreds.:160–61
The bombing was never solved, although investigators and historians believe the Wall Street bombing was carried out by Galleanists (Italian anarchists), a group responsible for a series of bombings the previous year. The attack was related to postwar social unrest, labor struggles, and anti-capitalist agitation in the United States.
Well during Berkeley they threw M80's. While that isn't exactly dynamite it's still an explosive.
Anyways, you missed my point. They claimed anarchists have killed zero people in terrorist actions, I showed they have. Sure the radical right are worst but that doesn't really make the radical lefts bombings any better now does it?
Anarchists even call their terrorist actions propaganda of the deed and explicitly try and start their revolution through acts of terror. You see that during any protest when those black bloc idiots start rioting and even on Reddit when they jerk off to imagining killing factory owners and the wealthy. They're always trying to start the revolution through violence while decrying the right for doing the same thing. At the end of the day an extremist is an extremist, no matter how justified they think their actions are. Do you really think ISIS or the Taliban think they're the bad guys? Timothy McVeigh didn't think he was the bad guy and neither did Jim Jones. What they all have in common is extremism and an pursuit of some imaginary world through a violent action. They're all just dangerous idealistic fools and none of them should be accepted.
Yeah, just because an ideology is violent and dangerous in other countries doesn't mean it would be like that in my country, and assuming so is retarded.
That inbread brainded redneck should eat buckshot tbh.
Reach more I think you missed violent act from like 1700s. Regardless, none of that has to do with the modern antifascist or other leftist movements.
Yes, you are right that violence is required for any kind of revolution, though the difference is that where anarchists and socialists think violence must be used in order to fight the oppressive elements of the existing system in order to liberate the population, mostly in self defense since the rulers will use violence against the revolutionaries, fascists and far-rightwing thinks violence is needed in order to oppress some parts of the population due to some superiority delusions.
It's like saying that if you violently defend yourself when someone tries to assault you it makes you just as bad as the assailant. Such black and white thinking.
Regardless, none of that has to do with the modern antifascist or other leftist movements.
Except for when they throw M80's and hit people with bike locks because they don't know what a fascist is. Except for that. Also except for the part where literally all anarchist groups advocate indiscriminate violence. The only thing that keeps us from experiencing a city-of-bombs-era Barcelona event is the fact that most anarchists are massive pussies. Thank god for that.
though the difference is that where anarchists and socialists think violence must be used in order to fight the oppressive elements of the existing system in order to liberate the population, mostly in self defense since the rulers will inevitably use violence against the revolutionaries
The people who set off car bombs in Afghan markets also think that some violence is necessary in order to fight oppressive elements. In fact, they would probably also say it's self defense too. McVeigh sure as shit thought that by starting a race war he would be liberating people from oppressive and violent powers. Face it, you're just as radicalized as the extreme right. You just have a different delusional goal than they do. Hell, I'll replace a couple words in what you just wrote and it'll sound like it came out of stormfront:
"Yes, you are right that violence is required for any kind of revolution, though the difference is that where klansmen and national socialists think violence must be used in order to fight the oppressive elements of the existing system in order to liberate the population, mostly in self defense since the rulers will inevitably use violence against the whites"
fascists and far-rightwing thinks violence is needed in order to oppress some parts of the population due to some superiority delusions.
Jesus Christ literally all the right wing terrorists think they're fighting oppression rather than oppressing people. They view blacks, Jews, Government and Muslims as some oppressive force trying to harm whites and think their use of violence is self defense. Ruby Ridge and Waco just solidified in their minds that they were the victims of some giant oppressive force. Extremists always think they're fighting the good fight and simply defending themselves. Don't believe me? Go on /r/the_donald and look at how they frame themselves as an extremely persecuted group. That's why I said you're just another side to the same delusional and violent coin. It's because you are but you're too blind to see that. Any time you believe you're being persecuted but you can freely state this, you aren't being persecuted.
It's like saying that if you violently defend yourself when someone tries to assault you it makes you just as bad as the assailant. Such black and white thinking
Except for the part where the state isn't actually assaulting you. You're just mad that conservative groups invited shitheads to speak in order to rile up leftists. The guys at Smashing shit at G20 and at Berkeley wasn't self defense, it was extremist violence. Antifa isn't about fighting fascism, it's about trying to start an anarchist revolution through rioting. The fighting fascism bit is just the veneer of legitimacy they like to apply to themselves. Remember how I mentioned the propaganda of the deed? They did it in Seattle in 1999 and they're still doing it. Antifa is just a useful cover to keep trying to be a catalyst for the revolution.
The only thing that keeps us from experiencing a city-of-bombs-era Barcelona event is the fact that most anarchists are massive pussies. Thank god for that.
You sound confused. On the other hand anarchists are way too violent but on the other most anarchists are "pussies" (because clearly not being violent is being a pussy suddenly, even though all this time you have been against violence). So which one is it?
I don't know why you equate viewing non-whites as oppressive force that must be snuffed out, with viewing the capitalist state as oppressive. It's clearly not the same thing. Fascist violence is from top to bottom, leftist violence is the opposite. And by the way, the violence that socialists and anarchists mostly advocate is self defense, with the realization that power will never be given to the people by the powerful, it must be taken and this requires violence, not because it's what anarchists want but because the rulers will act violently against any attempts at dismantling the status quo and as a reaction there must be violence from the people. Of course this is true with any societal change, bad or good.
Capitalism didn't come to be either with kind discourse with the feudal lords and kings, was the French revolution a mistake because the people used violence? Was the revolutionary war or American civil war mistakes because they were violent. Would you rather be in a slave filled colony of Britain because no one actually bothered to do anything as it was too violent.
Except for the part where the state isn't actually assaulting you.
It's protecting the status quo and the status quo is not good. Also the fascists are literally assaulting minorities therefore we have response from the communities to defend against fascists and fascist sympathizers. None of it happens in a vacuum, ideas cause violence, and violent ideas should be opposed.
Aww cute. Anarchist love to LARP as revolutionaries but are too scared to do anything aside from wear masks and hit people with bike locks. Still not ideal but at least they haven't been getting their hands on fertilizer and a truck.
Fascist violence is from top to bottom, leftist violence is the opposite.
Except in Cambodia, China, North Korea, The USSR, anarchist Catalonia, Cuba, Venezuela and literally every communist country. Pol Pot ordering all those killing was exactly top to bottom violence. As was Stalin's purges and Tiananmen Square.
the violence that socialists and anarchists mostly advocate is self defense
Where you just not listening when I told you that literally every extremist frames themselves as a victim and claims any violence they commit is self-defense. McVeigh was acting in 'self-defense' as were the folks at Ruby Ridge and Waco. You aren't the victim, you're the extremist.
with the realization that power will never be given to the people by the powerful
Except in a democracy. Except there.
it must be taken and this requires violence, not because it's what anarchists want but because the rulers will act violently against any attempts at dismantling the status quo and as a reaction there must be violence from the people. Of course this is true with any societal change, bad or good.
You do understand that society has changed peacefully for generations right? We didn't have to kill all Kings and nobles for them to lose their power. But keep up the "The revolution is needed because nothing ever changes!" Notice how trade unions are pandered to by politicians instead of shot these days? Happened without the revolution you claim would be necessary. Weird, it almost seems like social changes don't need to be bloody in reality.
Capitalism didn't come to be either with kind discussion with the feudal lords and kings
Capitalism came into existence because any society that developed realized it needed a universal good to compensate for the fact that when you barter, you may not always have something someone else can use. That's why currency has been used since the ancient Romans, Aztecs, Chinese, Mongolians, Spanish, Assyrians, and every society that developed to the point they could build something more significant than a mud or wooden hut. If I'm a goat farmer and I need stone, but the mason doesn't need goats then I'm fucked unless I can trade him a good that he can use to buy what he needs. Hence the need for currency.
The means on ownership were always privately held. If I'm an artisanal basket weaver I own the means of production. If demand for my baskets increases in the community to where I can't produce that number then I'll hire someone to help me make the baskets. As demand rises I hire more basket weavers to help me. There's nothing artificial about Capitalism, isn't super innate and common sense. If you need help you hire help, and you trade your products for a universal good you can use to buy anything. What isn't common sense is a society without hierarchy and without any obligation. The free rider problem isn't just make believe.
was the French revolution a mistake because the people used violence? Was the revolutionary war or American civil war mistakes because they were violent. Would you rather be in a slave filled colony of Britain because no one actually bothered to do anything as it was too violent.
If you seriously think you're on par with a French Revolutionary, American Revolutionary or Union soldier you're full on mentally retarded. The US isn't anywhere near as oppressive as the French Monarchy, King George or slave owners. The problems there couldn't be solved without violence. Here you can vote and express yourself politically freely. Go ahead and flip off the White House while yelling "Fuck Trump" and watch as nothing happens. Your problem is you don't understand that you're not being oppressed, it's just most people rightly think Anarchists and Communists are idealistic fools. Your failure to influence society is because you have a garbage message, not because of political oppression.
Also the fascists are literally assaulting minorities therefore we have response from the communities to defend against fascists and fascist sympathizers.
Bull Fucking Shit. You aren't out forming community watches like Blacks did. You're smashing windows, kicking trash cans and smacking literal autists with bike locks because they showed their power level in public. Like I said, the anti-fascism is just a veneer you use to hide the fact you want to try and start the revolution through violence. If it wasn't the case you'd patrol at risk neighborhoods instead of breaking windows on a Starbucks.
I'll let you in on a little secret; The revolution will never happen. It didn't happen when anarchists bombed Wall Street in the 20's, and things were a hell of a lot worse then, and it won't happen now. You're just like the white supremacists who think that a race war is inevitable. Hell, go read their reasons for it because they sure as shit echo yours. At the end of the day you're still just the other side to the extremist coin.
Our "democracy" is state controlled by tiny unelected minority of the wealthiest people. It isn't democracy for the people, it is clear that as long as power in the form of capital accumulates to the top there will never be a democracy in anything but name. You will never see any fundamental change as long as you keep voting for republicans and democrats, this I guarantee. You bring up trade unions, funny, seeing how trade unions are all but destroyed in USA currently. They used to do well but then state, controlled by the elite, decided it's against their interests and undid the years of progress. That's inevitable in a capitalist system, or any hierarchical system, it will eventually start serve those who control it. Momentarily people may gain something after years of political battle, national healthcare might take decades to build but then it takes just few years to privatize everything, it is inevitable. Yes, it could be worse but it doesn't mean anything, literally everything can always be worse.
This is the ultimate reason why revolution by the people is necessary, in order to get rid of the systematic hierarchical structures which promote inequality and restrict freedom of the population by enforcing capitalism. Yes, enforcing, it is not natural and it relies on state's monopoly of violence to uphold private property rights, without those capitalism would not exist. It requires enforcement and propaganda from the top in order to suppress the working class who get the short end of the stick in this arrangement. You mistake capitalism for trading and the usage of currency. It's not.
If you seriously think you're on par with a French Revolutionary, American Revolutionary or Union soldier you're full on mentally retarded.
Why? Revolutionaries aren't anything but regular people who rise against their oppressors. That all. Everyone can be "on par" with a French revolutionary given the right circumstance.
Go ahead and flip off the White House while yelling "Fuck Trump" and watch as nothing happens.
Nail on the fucking head. Yet this is what liberals do.
You are also wrong if you think anyone thinks they start a revolution by smashing windows in a protest or random acts of bombing. That is a ridiculous notion. It's entirely expected that among huge number of protesting people some get the idea of vandalizing things. It's not a big deal. Why liberals get so worked up about windows and trashcans is beyond me. They care more about trashcans than about blacks or muslims fucking lol
Revolution only happens once the people want it to happen. No one is trying to start a revolution right now that's stupid.
Okay so the world is irredeemably bad and the only way to achieve social utopia is to kill a bunch of people? Fundamentally that's what you're saying. I just want you to realize how cultish and extremist you sound. You keep saying that social change can't happen without blood but has most of the time. In fact, bloody revolutions are quite rare for nations. You just have a hard on for murder fantasies and are trying to twist things so that you're the victim. Ever read McVeigh's justification for his actions? He was just like you, only difference is he wanted the revolution to lead to a race war. I keep saying it, and you keep proving me right: You're an extremist. Homeland security did the right thing by putting you on a watch list.
As for trade unions being dead go and tell LA dock workers that. Or carpenters, millwrights, electricians, plumbers, etc...
I also would like to point out that every anarchistic society has either been primitive, or easily crushed and replaced because people want stability and not anarchy. Hence why the French Revolution ended in Emperor Napoleon instead of civil emancipation.
Okay so the world is irredeemably bad and the only way to achieve social utopia is to kill a bunch of people?
No, world could be better and the way to achieve this is to change the irredeemably bad ideas we currently follow. This could be done without any violence, it would be great if it was but in the real world you can't because changing power structures makes those at the top violent and as a response to that violence people must also do violence. It's not necessary if the elite give up their power without a fight when the people demand it, but they won't.
I also would like to point out that every anarchistic society has either been primitive, or easily crushed and replaced because people want stability and not anarchy.
How is that what the people wanted? People wanted an anarchist society apparently and it was crushed by outside force that wanted more. French revolution ended in Napoleon (although it didn't "end", the consequences of that revolution will never end) because it was possible for there to be an emperor. It didn't do away with hierarchical structures. Power was there and someone took it.
in the real world you can't because changing power structures makes those at the top violent
Like when the Queen of Denmark went on a murderous rampage? Or was it Queen Elizabeth beheading British Parliment? Not every social change happens through revolution. In fact most don't. Protest yes, revolution no. Remember when prohibition started when the dries set off bombs? Me neither.
Man you just keep trying to justify your murder fantasies. How exactly are you different than the radical right in terms of means to the ends? Hint: Not very!
How is that what the people wanted? People wanted an anarchist society apparently and it was crushed by outside force.
And they didn't resist like the Mujahideen did. Usually when someone takes away something you like you keep fighting back instead of just going "Oh, okay then." The fact they didn't offer any long lasting resistance speaks volumes about how much they loved anarchy. If they truly did they would have fought red in fang and claw, but they offered no resistance.
Power was there and someone took it.
Like when Nestor Makhno's Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army took over the Free Territories with the Makhnovists because they refused to lay down arms or relinquish control? Sure they said they were just advisors but they were the only political party around there. Such is life in anarchist utopia.
There are power hungry people, they will always exist and no revolution can stop them from being born. Keep in mind that any social organization that cannot resist outside influence or internal ones will always be doomed to failure. Full stop, no exemptions. Anarchy has only ever existed when organized forces were too busy to deal with them right away. The second they did though, the anarchists lost at least 3:1 men. That's not exactly a glowing endorsement for anarchy.
Comparing states of tens of millions of people fighting back is bit different than small city wide societies trying to wage war against an entire country. This is why any attempts at anarchism at small level can't work because they are not allowed to thrive on their own which means that the only way to reach real societal change is dismantling the state entirely.
Not every social change happens through revolution.
No, you get the occasional bone thrown to the people to keep them satisfied. Just as your employer won't give you a raise for no reason, the people who pocket the government won't give you anything if it costs them more than it's worth.
It's not that violence is something anyone wants to do but for the sake of a revolution must be prepared to. Even the threat of violence can be enough but as long as the population do not demand with figurative pitchforks in hand they will not get any more than the powerful deem they can get away with. Why would they, there is nothing that complies them. Out of the goodness of their heart?
Usually when someone takes away something you like you keep fighting back instead of just going "Oh, okay then."
What are you on about? Why are you advocating violence, I thought the only proper thing to do is to accept it, maybe send an angry letter to the conqueror, as according to you resisting the occupation makes the resisters extremist terrorists. I also don't understand how losing a war means your ideology can't work. Soviet Union and Nazi-Germany won plenty of wars does that make their ideas superior.
Comparing states of tens of millions of people fighting back is bit different than small city wide societies trying to wage war against an entire country.
Doesn't change the fact that there never has been any anarchist resistance that lasted even a week. If the people of a city or territory of 7 million don't actually want to resist the people who kicked the shit out of the anarchists you need to understand that it's not going to happen at a state level.
This is why any attempts at anarchism at small level can't work because they are not allowed to thrive on their own which means that the only way to reach real societal change is dismantling the state entirely.
You keep thinking there is so much discontent that the entire population of a nation will rise up, yet every time that's happened they've ended up with a strongman because people prefer order to anarchy. Order can't exist in anarchy, and you'd have to be mentally damaged to believe it would. Not everyone is a secret anarchist, but your entire ideology fails to understand that.
It's not that violence is something anyone wants to do but for the sake of a revolution must be prepared to.
Oh come off it. You've spent this entire time trying to give reasons why it's inevitable and trying, but failing, to show how its impossible for social change to happen without blood. You're just trying to justify your murder fantasies, just like the extreme right do.
Even the threat of violence can be enough but as long as the population do not demand with figurative pitchforks in hand they will not get any more than the powerful deem they can get away with.
Or you know, when people vote. Here in Canada the Conservative party is exclusively big business mouthpieces, and they got kicked to the curb in the last election. You keep saying that violence is necessary for change to happen, but for that to be true you must be able to show that all societal changes only happened because the people had "pitchforks in hand". You're claiming this is a hard universal, and so far there are a lot of exceptions for that.
Why would they, there is nothing that obligates them. Out of the goodness of their heart?
You mean like when the British banned slavery? Or when Vermont did? Ooh, how about when the Danes, Spanish, Dutch, French, Cubans and Brazilians did it? In democracies you can elect people who will speak to your interests, like when the British banned impressment. The powerful also just voluntarily give up control like the British royalty did and like the British did in the Commonwealth countries. You keep saying that there needs to be blood for social changes but a lot just happen because times change and old ways aren't seen as necessary or useful anymore.
What are you on about? Why are you advocating violence, I thought the only proper thing to do is to accept it, maybe send an angry letter to the conqueror, as according to you resisting the occupation makes the resisters extremist terrorists.
Aww this is adorable. You're honestly thinking that you REEEEing about people owning property is the same as having a life you like taken away by an invading force. Tell me though, if the people in anarchist uprisings liked anarchism so much then why didn't they resist the abolishment of it? You're going to either have to explain this or accept that even in anarchist societies, people don't much care for anarchism.
I also don't understand how losing a war means your ideology can't work. Soviet Union and Nazi-Germany won plenty of wars does that make their ideas superior.
Yeah Nazi Germany didn't win wars. There was also a fair amount of resistance in Nazi era Germany and far more in Nazi and Soviet occupied countries to that new order than ever happened after anarchists got kicked to the curb. You didn't see Franco have to send in the tanks to Catalonia to oppress the anarchists who were trying to reestablish anarchy. You think this proves some kind of point but all it does it reinforce how unpopular anarchism has been. People in Eastern Europe never accepted communism and partisans fought Nazis until the end. When anarchists got defeated people were just glad they were finally gone and didn't shed a tear of sadness.
Again, if anarchy is inevitable then why has no one resisted the powers that replaced it? The answer will explain how anarchy will never voluntarily be the state of affairs.
Theres a great video of an actual DC resident ripping into the antifa people at the inauguration. All the white out of towners were struggling not to talk down to the black DC native.
they arent even getting censored, is the confusing thing. like it isnt illegal to say "i approve of what this terrorist group is doing," it's just illegal to actually do terrorism. new jersey posting a pdf on their website doesnt change that
Your mistake was expecting anyone on the internet, let alone such top minds as these, to notice distinctions. Remember these are the people who unironically believe Trump is indistinguishable from Hitler.
the guys with airhorns that continually scream FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU and cover cameras with flags when asked questions by reporters totally care about free speech
And remember, kids; Once they label you terrorists they can literally murder you in the streets, black bag you, drop a JDAM on your house, torture you, whatever, it's all cool, because USAPATRIOT.
It's not murder if you fucking deserve it, u/FrankManic, you LARPing piece of white trash.
The word "terrorism" is often used by oppressors to slander liberators.
TIL that ISIS is really just a group of liberators, not terrorists. Thanks for helping me open my eyes, u/IdeaExplorer77! Stay woke autistic!
Yep, one mans terrorist is another's freedom fighter. AntiFA and Nelson mandela are both NOT terrorists.
Hang on, u/Comrade_Belinski, let's see what the dictionary says about this.
noun the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Well shit, looks like with the well-documented video evidence of a bunch of white supremacists claiming to be "antifascist" attacking people they politically disagree with unprovoked, AntiFa is, legitimately, a terrorist organization. Imagine that.
Sorry, Bob, you are required to state your answer in the form of a coherent sentence or paragraph. Please resubmit your comment in a form that is intelligible!
Of course they're LARPers. The only people who do this shit and join antifa are a bunch of beta-male white trash pretending to be competent and the POGiest of POGs. If you've ever actually done anything with your life, especially in the military, you look at these bitches and laugh. And then pray they do something so you can bring the hate.
im confused why theyre even bothered by this. antifa is terroristic in relation to a liberal state by design, getting classified as such is a good sign. the thing they should be angry about is it's only by fucking new jersey so who cares
Please make a single well-reasoned argument as for why shooting violent idiots like yourself is a bad thing. Because I'll let you know right now, no one in this country is gonna shed a tear over some middle class white idiot like you.
And remember, kids; Once they label you terrorists they can literally murder you in the streets, black bag you, drop a JDAM on your house, torture you, whatever, it's all cool, because USAPATRIOT.
Not recognizing that many patriot groups are listed on federal watch lists for terrorism lol
They need to dig deeper. Someone should do a study on what seems to a clear linkage between terrorism, socialism, sadly drinking kombucha while watching actual men run a train on your wife.
According to Homeland Security, it's "terrorist" to oppose racism and fascism.
No, you moron. It's "terrorist" to use terror in the pursuit of political aims, because that's what the word means. According to Homeland Security, antifa does so. They hold this opinion because it is objectively true.
None of that is true.
According to Homeland Security, it's "terrorist" to oppose racism and fascism.
No, you moron. It's "terrorist" to use terror in the pursuit of political aims, because that's what the word means. According to Homeland Security, antifa does so. They hold this opinion because it is objectively true.
Not surprising. They did it to the Black Panthers and the common belief is still that they were terrorists.
In my experience, we were also taught a positive view of the Black Panthers, MLK Jr, and Malcolm X, but they were very sanitized versions of the three. Any sort of anti-capitalism had been been removed and we were taught solely that they had led peaceful protests, and then the blacks and whites lived happily ever after.
Right, because that level of sanitization is required in order to not conclude that they were terrorists.
Doesn't matter if you were right wing. I'm still yet to hear a compelling argument against small government, personal responsibility and a free market economy with minimal regulations.
No but that's the argument of actual conservatives and it's a damn good argument. I understand there are very countries like that (if any) but ideally that's what I believe the goal should be. I don't want to live in a system where my success or failure is determined by policy. If I sell my car to someone in a private transaction I don't want the government taking a percentage because of reasons and I certainly don't want the government to micromanage society.
No I want sensible regulation that isn't excessive. i don't think government should micromanage society. I live in a city it's happening to a small degree and it's crippling the city. Especially the entertainment and hospitality industry. I don't know you but how would you like living in a city where there is a mandatory lock out of all venues after 1am (except for the casino)? it might not sound like that big of a deal but various venues have been forced to shut down because of these laws and it has severely impacted the tourism industry.
Just remember that all of their talking points are generally from right wing and fascist-sympathizing news sources. They never bother to do their own research because they might actually learn something for themselves and realize there is shudder a little nuance to political participation and positions in this world.
Bwahahahaha do you realize how pathetic you sound? "Woe is me, for all nuance is gone from modern political discussion! BTW, DAE everyone who disagrees with me is a fascist who gets 'talking points' from evil fascist places rather than possibly actually having an original thought?"
Even people who think American conservatism and liberalism are the end all be all to all political thought (which couldn't be more wrong) can see how politics has truly become a game of basically sports teams and us vs. them mentalities where neither side really has any understanding of the other in most cases, and most of the voters have no idea how similar the positions of both major parties are. I never said that anyone who disagrees with me is inherently a fascist - do you have any idea how many different branches of thought there are within leftism alone, many of which I disagree with? I don't label an opposing group as fascist or fascist-leaning unless they express fascist tendencies. Is the average Trump supporter a fascist? Of course not, but the average fascist is a Trump supporter, which says more than needs to be said about him and the people in power who back him!
Many of the sources for talking points on the right, particularly the Fox Newses and Breitbarts of the world, do express and defend fascist tendencies constantly, and also accuse those who oppose them for labeling everyone they disagree with as fascists, which cheapens the word and its historical meanings. You are the one literally reciting a talking point, likely from one of those news sources I mentioned or from one of the right wing circle jerk subs on reddit, as the crux of your argument. Maybe you are the one who needs to look into the mirror and like I said in my original comment, do some research and learn for yourself.
You are the one literally reciting a talking point
No, I'm not. I'm accusing you of being over-eager to call people fascists because you objectively are over-eager to call people fascists. When you say "all of their talking points are generally from right wing and fascist-sympathizing news sources", that is the effect of it. Simply accusing people of relying on "talking points" is already approaching the discussion in bad faith.
But I mean, think about this seriously. How, exactly, do you objectively determine whether a given individual is "a fascist"? Like, if I were a literal extraterrestrial with no concept of Terran politics, how would you explain the concept? Also, about how many American citizens do you believe qualify for that label?
Edit: I guess we all fight or rendezvous at Tim Hortons.
Because nothing says socialist anarchy like choosing as your meeting place a fast-food restaurant now run by a multinational corporation that promotes itself with a false veneer of Canadiana (btw, I thought being proud of Canada's history is, like, totes white supremacist or something?).
That's exactly what I meant, though. New Jersey implies "antifa" are anywhere as effective as guys with suicide vests or dumb cumskins wearing bedsheets.
As though /u/PusheenDaDestroyer wasn't born side of the millennium, otherwise he'd also be aware of the Unabomber and the IRA (maybe the whitest terrorist group possible).
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n/a Steel_Meme_Dreams 2017-07-03
I fucked the title, forgive me i'm Mayo.
n/a rarestpepesforsale 2017-07-03
What is wrong with you people? Can't you get anything right?
n/a DistortedLines 2017-07-03
Its ok you didn't choose to be disabled
n/a SperglockHolmes 2017-07-03
Imagine being such a faggot that you think people larping as a revolutionary and living in mommy's basement are the same as Nelson Mandela.
n/a TheJum 2017-07-03
Sneak attacking neutral parties with bike locks is like, totally fighting the system, man.
n/a purplepilled3 2017-07-03
A professor of ethics hitting someone in the head with a bike lock proves to me that reality is nothing but a drama simulator.
n/a Pinksister 2017-07-03
Ever since the US election my drama cup overfloweth.
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-07-03
tbf, Mandela did approve of bomb attacks.
n/a rarestpepesforsale 2017-07-03
He also liked his tendies nice and crispy. Yet another point of commonality there.
n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-07-03
The man was pure evil
n/a Ylajali_2002 2017-07-03
I bet you like your tendies soggy. Weirdo.
n/a MarchForCucks 2017-07-03
What kind of a sick fuck eats soggy tendies?
Next you will try and tell me that honey mustard isnt the greatest tendy dip of all time.
n/a jubbergun 2017-07-03
McDonald's Hot Mustard>Honey Mustard
n/a MarchForCucks 2017-07-03
KYS
n/a jubbergun 2017-07-03
You 1st, BB.
n/a MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-07-03
McDonald's Sweet and Sour is the only one worth it you godless heathen.
n/a jubbergun 2017-07-03
With your username the only McDonald's sauce you should be endorsing is Szechuan, you heathen.
Even then, Hot Mustard is still better.
n/a MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-07-03
I've never actually had te Szechuan sauce. When I was a kid I didn't eat anything at McDonalds except their pizzas so I missed out.
n/a Kysbu 2017-07-03
Salsa is best tendie dip
Kys if you dont agree
n/a MarchForCucks 2017-07-03
You have to go back to Mexico Javier.
No bueno! Remove Taco!
n/a rarestpepesforsale 2017-07-03
Gandhi. Gandhi loved soggy tendies, while Stalin was a crispy tendies guy. It's sad but true, and makes Gandhi objectively more evil than Stalin.
n/a glmox 2017-07-03
whats your point
n/a Thulein 2017-07-03
He used terrorism to achieve his ends. You may agree with those ends, but he was still a terrorist. That was pretty fucking obvious, how did you not understand that, you absolute fucking chimp?
n/a glmox 2017-07-03
you seem upset
i was just unclear on weather /u/Ultrashitpost was implying it's bad to approve of bomb attacks (which would be weird) or not and i wanted him to clarify his stance
n/a Thulein 2017-07-03
Don't respond to one of my com nets ever again, you fucking cunt.
n/a glmox 2017-07-03
hope u feel better tomorrow
n/a JebusGobson 2017-07-03
If you're looking for someone new whose comments you can reply to, you're free (and welcome) to reply to mine.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-07-03
Don't disrespect chimps like that man.
n/a HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-07-03
As top mod of /r/drama I'm going to have to ask you to keep the name calling to a friendlier level. Keep yourself safe!
n/a o_l0_0l_o 2017-07-03
The organisation that did that always warned the government before so no-one was killed; they were destroying property of the security agencies.
Whilst Antifa have power fantasies of coups, gulags and general mayhem.
If Antifa were around during Apartheid, they'd probably call Mandela a disappointing sell-out shill.
n/a EternallyMiffed 2017-07-03
That doesn't make them not terrorists.
n/a mehforeverybody 2017-07-03
Except Nelson Mandela wasn't white, upper middle class 17-23 year old from "white fence suburbs Usa" who tries to look cool with a mask.
n/a DoktuhParadox 2017-07-03
Imagine being such a faggot that even with a wrench up your sleeve you can't knock a guy out with a punch to the face.
n/a jubbergun 2017-07-03
Well, yeah, but if you're old enough to remember the 80s you'd know that one of the reasons that the CIA and MI6 agreed with labeling Mandela as a terrorist is because the ANC was communist-backed terrorist group. The ANC being a bunch of terrorists didn't make Apartheid OK, and Mandela wasn't out firebombing buildings himself, but he was affiliated with terrorists. There's been a little bit of historical revisionism to downplay that fact, so you can't blame those retards for not knowing.
n/a o_l0_0l_o 2017-07-03
Mandela's people weren't trying to kill people, only damage property of the South African government's security forces. They weren't doing what ISIS does or what antifa/white nationalists want to do.
n/a IanPPK 2017-07-03
Unintentionally killing bystanders is still killing bystanders.
n/a botchlings 2017-07-03
Well, he was at least technically.
Apartheid was terrible but back in the 70s and 80s the South African government supported the US in the Cold War. Meanwhile the ANC had some members that were very supportive of communism.
n/a skivian 2017-07-03
It's not "technically". The organisation that he led was responsible for multiple bombings of government property, and killed a whole bunch of innocent bystanders.
n/a pizzashill 2017-07-03
Meh, I'd support Antifa being put down. All they do is feed delusional right-wingers ammo.
n/a 80BAIT08 2017-07-03
They are so oblivious as to what could have caused this. No, I think they know in the back of their minds but don't want to admit it. Too bad terrorist scum.
n/a LeFabulousFaggot 2017-07-03
“And remember, kids; Once they label you terrorists they can literally murder you in the streets, black bag you, drop a JDAM on your house, torture you, whatever, it's all cool, because USAPATRIOT.” /u/FrankManiac
Like we’re going to waste that much tax money on a bunch of smelly obese hippies. It’s cheaper to cut your welfare and food stamps and get the same result.
n/a SperglockHolmes 2017-07-03
Hey now, only their women are fat.
The men are scrawny as hell.
n/a LeFabulousFaggot 2017-07-03
You’re right how oppressive of me or whatever SJW buzzword is going around this week.
n/a _SONNEILLON 2017-07-03
Can confirm, I'm antifa and weigh barely 90lbs at 6'5. It's so i can easily infiltrate fascist meetings through their drainpipes
n/a captainpriapism 2017-07-03
just let protesters beat them up like whats already happened imo
n/a Kekistanian9000 2017-07-03
Would that be a ban?
n/a jubbergun 2017-07-03
Wow, that sounds familiar...
And remember, kids; Once we label you fascists we can literally justify murdering you in the streets, bike lock you, knock over all your trash cans, torture you, whatever, it's all cool, because ANTIFA.
I guess it's easy to predict how thugs will behave when you're a thug, too.
n/a mask2697 2017-07-03
Generally the KKK is a better example for domestic terrorism than Al Quada. The FBI will devote a concerted effort to infiltrating, monitoring, identifying, and arresting ringleaders and major leaders of the group.
n/a Burnnoticelover 2017-07-03
Seriously, if the KKK takes a shit, the Feds will know.
"It's time! Go out and kill every undesirable you can find!"
SWAT team outside
"Well, guess someone talked. Event cancelled."
n/a _SONNEILLON 2017-07-03
I like how you just added murder and torture on your list with 0 evidence.
Basically the actual list consists of "smashing windows and knocking over your trash cans".
If antifa are domestic terrorists than so are trump supporters, because they've shot several Sikhs and Muslims dead in the street by now.
n/a jubbergun 2017-07-03
Yeah, some of them probably are. What's your point? That you and your pals should be shit-eating retards because some of the people you disagree with are shit-eating retards? Way to go, Dr. Einstein, you've chosen to be a moron on purpose because you're jealous of people who have no choice but to be morons.
n/a _SONNEILLON 2017-07-03
You know, no one ever admits they've lost an argument on the internet, but once they start spamming insults angrily that's a pretty good cue.
n/a jubbergun 2017-07-03
I don't think you realize where you are. Check the street signs. /r/Drama is not a subreddit for civil discussion.
n/a _SONNEILLON 2017-07-03
Fuck you I'll discuss whatever way I want
n/a jubbergun 2017-07-03
NOW you're getting it.
n/a Atrocious_audacity 2017-07-03
Aww, they want to feel like somebody cares enough to target them specifically <3
n/a dawnbandit 2017-07-03
TIL Posse comitatus doesn't exist.
n/a randomuser5632 2017-07-03
It would be easier to just walk up and slap the bitch till he cries.
n/a krutopatkin 2017-07-03
ngl that sure sounds terrorist-y
n/a harrah8083 2017-07-03
report them to the internet police
n/a RamboButGayer 2017-07-03
yea "smash the state" just means reeeee all over this sub until I get bored and want to switch back over to xvideos for more cuck porn
n/a holy_black_on_a_popo 2017-07-03
Consequences will never be the same.
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n/a Ultrashitpost 2017-07-03
Now NJ finally has some redeeming qualities.
n/a DistortedLines 2017-07-03
Lmao this idiot actually believes breaking windows and attacking trashcans is protecting immigrants from the evil 4th Reich thats rising across the states.
You know when antifa goes home to the suburbs after sperging out, its poor immigrants who have to work cleaning up your shit. I hope they stick antifa/communists with white nationalists in jail, would make for some good entertainment tbh.
n/a boyoyoyoyong 2017-07-03
That seems like a more economical way to get rid of commies then helicopter rides...I like how you think
n/a purplepilled3 2017-07-03
Make such a large garbage can that they exert so much energy trying to tip it over that they die of exhaustion?
n/a DoctorMort 2017-07-03
If those immigrants get paid overtime, maybe antifa is helping them after all...
n/a wwaalleess 2017-07-03
The fash is playing marbles and Antifa is out there playing 69D interdimensional backgammon.
n/a jubbergun 2017-07-03
If right-wingers were even half as vile as these idiots pretend they are they'd either be home hiding under their beds or switching sides.
n/a imaginarycreatures 2017-07-03
If the only thing stopping us from literally becoming Nazi Germany 2.0 is randomly punching people and knocking over trashcans, we're probably fucked as a society anyway.
n/a signmeupreddit 2017-07-03
https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/661elb/rightwing_vs_leftwing_terrorism/
lul
n/a 38h4b5b7d73u3v4 2017-07-03
Breaking shit that doesn't belong to you isn't speech
n/a signmeupreddit 2017-07-03
So? Kicking over trashcans isn't a fundamental part of anti-fascism even if in protests shit happens. What some don't understand is that antifa isn't an organized group with leaders.
n/a JasonJewnova 2017-07-03
Is it a requirement that have the testosterone levels of a nine year old boy to join Antifa?
n/a signmeupreddit 2017-07-03
Somehow it does not surprise me that someone like you thinks testosterone levels are the key thing that matters.
n/a celocanth13 2017-07-03
Coming and taking a dump in DC isn't liberating anyone
n/a handsomestalin 2017-07-03
If you're stupid enough to show up to an event in a uniform without any organization, you deserve to be blamed for what others in the group do
n/a trj820 2017-07-03
"The gang gets red pilled, and not in a commie way."
n/a signmeupreddit 2017-07-03
Exactly, what's your point?
n/a trj820 2017-07-03
I would have expected r/@ to start raving about how opposition to Islam is White Supremacy.
n/a signmeupreddit 2017-07-03
They don't because they're not the imaginary bogeyman you believe they are.
n/a trj820 2017-07-03
Dude, this is shitposting country. You're always welcome to go and reeee back in r/soc.
n/a signmeupreddit 2017-07-03
sorry if i triggered you
n/a HeroSix 2017-07-03
For someone to be a boogeyman, someone needs to fear them.
n/a michgot 2017-07-03
Gottem
n/a MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-07-03
Yeah the right goes off it's rocker pretty commonly but you have to be retarded to not understand that anarchism has a long history of domestic terrorism. Did you forget about the propaganda of the deed?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_William_McKinley
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1919_United_States_anarchist_bombings
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_bombing
You idiots are always trying to start the revolution in the exact same way the extreme right are trying to start the race wars. You're just two sides of the same retarded and violent coin that is terrorism.
n/a WikiTextBot 2017-07-03
Haymarket affair
The Haymarket affair (also known as the Haymarket massacre or Haymarket riot) was the aftermath of a bombing that took place at a labor demonstration on Tuesday May 4, 1886, at Haymarket Square in Chicago. It began as a peaceful rally in support of workers striking for an eight-hour day and in reaction to the killing of several workers the previous day by the police. An unknown person threw a dynamite bomb at police as they acted to disperse the public meeting. The bomb blast and ensuing gunfire resulted in the deaths of seven police officers and at least four civilians; scores of others were wounded.
Assassination of William McKinley
On September 6, 1901, William McKinley, the 25th President of the United States, was shot on the grounds of the Pan-American Exposition at the Temple of Music in Buffalo, New York. He was shaking hands with the public when Leon Czolgosz, an anarchist, shot him twice in the abdomen. McKinley died eight days later on September 14 of gangrene caused by the gunshot wounds. He was the third American president to have been assassinated, following Abraham Lincoln in 1865 and James A. Garfield in 1881.
1919 United States anarchist bombings
The 1919 United States anarchist bombings were a series of bombings and attempted bombings carried out by anarchist followers of Luigi Galleani from April through June 1919. These bombings led to the Red Scare of 1919–20.
Wall Street bombing
The Wall Street bombing occurred at 12:01 pm on September 16, 1920, in the Financial District of Manhattan, New York City. The blast killed 30 people immediately, and another eight died later of wounds sustained in the blast. There were 143 seriously injured, and the total number of injured was in the hundreds.:160–61
The bombing was never solved, although investigators and historians believe the Wall Street bombing was carried out by Galleanists (Italian anarchists), a group responsible for a series of bombings the previous year. The attack was related to postwar social unrest, labor struggles, and anti-capitalist agitation in the United States.
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n/a Karmaisforsuckers 2017-07-03
Got anything that isnt 100 years old? Cause man, those farr right Terrorists have been busy
n/a MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-07-03
Well during Berkeley they threw M80's. While that isn't exactly dynamite it's still an explosive.
Anyways, you missed my point. They claimed anarchists have killed zero people in terrorist actions, I showed they have. Sure the radical right are worst but that doesn't really make the radical lefts bombings any better now does it?
Anarchists even call their terrorist actions propaganda of the deed and explicitly try and start their revolution through acts of terror. You see that during any protest when those black bloc idiots start rioting and even on Reddit when they jerk off to imagining killing factory owners and the wealthy. They're always trying to start the revolution through violence while decrying the right for doing the same thing. At the end of the day an extremist is an extremist, no matter how justified they think their actions are. Do you really think ISIS or the Taliban think they're the bad guys? Timothy McVeigh didn't think he was the bad guy and neither did Jim Jones. What they all have in common is extremism and an pursuit of some imaginary world through a violent action. They're all just dangerous idealistic fools and none of them should be accepted.
Nazis can fuck off, so can cults and anarchists.
n/a cannotfoolowls 2017-07-03
Sure!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction#List_of_assaults_attributed_to_the_RAF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Cells_(German_group)#Activities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Entebbe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Red_Army
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Years_of_Lead_(Italy) (both right and left wing)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_directe_(armed_group)
and maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Combatant_Cells
Left wing terrorists were very busy in Europe during the 80s
n/a _SONNEILLON 2017-07-03
In the United States you fucking moron. Stop deflecting and accept the proven fact that right wing terrorism is more dangerous you inbred hillbilly
n/a handsomestalin 2017-07-03
Yeah, just because an ideology is violent and dangerous in other countries doesn't mean it would be like that in my country, and assuming so is retarded.
That inbread brainded redneck should eat buckshot tbh.
n/a _SONNEILLON 2017-07-03
I mean it isn't like that in your country... Look up the statistics.
Oh wait, you did. And since they didn't support you you decided to deflect
n/a handsomestalin 2017-07-03
For the past 100 years, communists have killed more people in my country than islamists, ergo Antifa us
n/a _SONNEILLON 2017-07-03
this guy read the black book of communism and agreed that deaths by famine are the same as genocide
n/a cannotfoolowls 2017-07-03
Oh, in the US? Ok.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbionese_Liberation_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_19th_Communist_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Freedom_Front
n/a _SONNEILLON 2017-07-03
The weathermen exposed Cointelpro
The UFF called in warnings before all of its bombings
Sounds like some absolutely terrible people. Not at all like right wing terrorist groups which committed 9/11, dozens of shootings, and bombings.
n/a signmeupreddit 2017-07-03
Reach more I think you missed violent act from like 1700s. Regardless, none of that has to do with the modern antifascist or other leftist movements.
Yes, you are right that violence is required for any kind of revolution, though the difference is that where anarchists and socialists think violence must be used in order to fight the oppressive elements of the existing system in order to liberate the population, mostly in self defense since the rulers will use violence against the revolutionaries, fascists and far-rightwing thinks violence is needed in order to oppress some parts of the population due to some superiority delusions.
It's like saying that if you violently defend yourself when someone tries to assault you it makes you just as bad as the assailant. Such black and white thinking.
n/a MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-07-03
Except for when they throw M80's and hit people with bike locks because they don't know what a fascist is. Except for that. Also except for the part where literally all anarchist groups advocate indiscriminate violence. The only thing that keeps us from experiencing a city-of-bombs-era Barcelona event is the fact that most anarchists are massive pussies. Thank god for that.
The people who set off car bombs in Afghan markets also think that some violence is necessary in order to fight oppressive elements. In fact, they would probably also say it's self defense too. McVeigh sure as shit thought that by starting a race war he would be liberating people from oppressive and violent powers. Face it, you're just as radicalized as the extreme right. You just have a different delusional goal than they do. Hell, I'll replace a couple words in what you just wrote and it'll sound like it came out of stormfront:
"Yes, you are right that violence is required for any kind of revolution, though the difference is that where klansmen and national socialists think violence must be used in order to fight the oppressive elements of the existing system in order to liberate the population, mostly in self defense since the rulers will inevitably use violence against the whites"
Jesus Christ literally all the right wing terrorists think they're fighting oppression rather than oppressing people. They view blacks, Jews, Government and Muslims as some oppressive force trying to harm whites and think their use of violence is self defense. Ruby Ridge and Waco just solidified in their minds that they were the victims of some giant oppressive force. Extremists always think they're fighting the good fight and simply defending themselves. Don't believe me? Go on /r/the_donald and look at how they frame themselves as an extremely persecuted group. That's why I said you're just another side to the same delusional and violent coin. It's because you are but you're too blind to see that. Any time you believe you're being persecuted but you can freely state this, you aren't being persecuted.
Except for the part where the state isn't actually assaulting you. You're just mad that conservative groups invited shitheads to speak in order to rile up leftists. The guys at Smashing shit at G20 and at Berkeley wasn't self defense, it was extremist violence. Antifa isn't about fighting fascism, it's about trying to start an anarchist revolution through rioting. The fighting fascism bit is just the veneer of legitimacy they like to apply to themselves. Remember how I mentioned the propaganda of the deed? They did it in Seattle in 1999 and they're still doing it. Antifa is just a useful cover to keep trying to be a catalyst for the revolution.
n/a signmeupreddit 2017-07-03
You sound confused. On the other hand anarchists are way too violent but on the other most anarchists are "pussies" (because clearly not being violent is being a pussy suddenly, even though all this time you have been against violence). So which one is it?
I don't know why you equate viewing non-whites as oppressive force that must be snuffed out, with viewing the capitalist state as oppressive. It's clearly not the same thing. Fascist violence is from top to bottom, leftist violence is the opposite. And by the way, the violence that socialists and anarchists mostly advocate is self defense, with the realization that power will never be given to the people by the powerful, it must be taken and this requires violence, not because it's what anarchists want but because the rulers will act violently against any attempts at dismantling the status quo and as a reaction there must be violence from the people. Of course this is true with any societal change, bad or good.
Capitalism didn't come to be either with kind discourse with the feudal lords and kings, was the French revolution a mistake because the people used violence? Was the revolutionary war or American civil war mistakes because they were violent. Would you rather be in a slave filled colony of Britain because no one actually bothered to do anything as it was too violent.
It's protecting the status quo and the status quo is not good. Also the fascists are literally assaulting minorities therefore we have response from the communities to defend against fascists and fascist sympathizers. None of it happens in a vacuum, ideas cause violence, and violent ideas should be opposed.
n/a MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-07-03
Aww cute. Anarchist love to LARP as revolutionaries but are too scared to do anything aside from wear masks and hit people with bike locks. Still not ideal but at least they haven't been getting their hands on fertilizer and a truck.
Except in Cambodia, China, North Korea, The USSR, anarchist Catalonia, Cuba, Venezuela and literally every communist country. Pol Pot ordering all those killing was exactly top to bottom violence. As was Stalin's purges and Tiananmen Square.
Where you just not listening when I told you that literally every extremist frames themselves as a victim and claims any violence they commit is self-defense. McVeigh was acting in 'self-defense' as were the folks at Ruby Ridge and Waco. You aren't the victim, you're the extremist.
Except in a democracy. Except there.
You do understand that society has changed peacefully for generations right? We didn't have to kill all Kings and nobles for them to lose their power. But keep up the "The revolution is needed because nothing ever changes!" Notice how trade unions are pandered to by politicians instead of shot these days? Happened without the revolution you claim would be necessary. Weird, it almost seems like social changes don't need to be bloody in reality.
Capitalism came into existence because any society that developed realized it needed a universal good to compensate for the fact that when you barter, you may not always have something someone else can use. That's why currency has been used since the ancient Romans, Aztecs, Chinese, Mongolians, Spanish, Assyrians, and every society that developed to the point they could build something more significant than a mud or wooden hut. If I'm a goat farmer and I need stone, but the mason doesn't need goats then I'm fucked unless I can trade him a good that he can use to buy what he needs. Hence the need for currency.
The means on ownership were always privately held. If I'm an artisanal basket weaver I own the means of production. If demand for my baskets increases in the community to where I can't produce that number then I'll hire someone to help me make the baskets. As demand rises I hire more basket weavers to help me. There's nothing artificial about Capitalism, isn't super innate and common sense. If you need help you hire help, and you trade your products for a universal good you can use to buy anything. What isn't common sense is a society without hierarchy and without any obligation. The free rider problem isn't just make believe.
If you seriously think you're on par with a French Revolutionary, American Revolutionary or Union soldier you're full on mentally retarded. The US isn't anywhere near as oppressive as the French Monarchy, King George or slave owners. The problems there couldn't be solved without violence. Here you can vote and express yourself politically freely. Go ahead and flip off the White House while yelling "Fuck Trump" and watch as nothing happens. Your problem is you don't understand that you're not being oppressed, it's just most people rightly think Anarchists and Communists are idealistic fools. Your failure to influence society is because you have a garbage message, not because of political oppression.
Bull Fucking Shit. You aren't out forming community watches like Blacks did. You're smashing windows, kicking trash cans and smacking literal autists with bike locks because they showed their power level in public. Like I said, the anti-fascism is just a veneer you use to hide the fact you want to try and start the revolution through violence. If it wasn't the case you'd patrol at risk neighborhoods instead of breaking windows on a Starbucks.
I'll let you in on a little secret; The revolution will never happen. It didn't happen when anarchists bombed Wall Street in the 20's, and things were a hell of a lot worse then, and it won't happen now. You're just like the white supremacists who think that a race war is inevitable. Hell, go read their reasons for it because they sure as shit echo yours. At the end of the day you're still just the other side to the extremist coin.
n/a signmeupreddit 2017-07-03
Our "democracy" is state controlled by tiny unelected minority of the wealthiest people. It isn't democracy for the people, it is clear that as long as power in the form of capital accumulates to the top there will never be a democracy in anything but name. You will never see any fundamental change as long as you keep voting for republicans and democrats, this I guarantee. You bring up trade unions, funny, seeing how trade unions are all but destroyed in USA currently. They used to do well but then state, controlled by the elite, decided it's against their interests and undid the years of progress. That's inevitable in a capitalist system, or any hierarchical system, it will eventually start serve those who control it. Momentarily people may gain something after years of political battle, national healthcare might take decades to build but then it takes just few years to privatize everything, it is inevitable. Yes, it could be worse but it doesn't mean anything, literally everything can always be worse.
This is the ultimate reason why revolution by the people is necessary, in order to get rid of the systematic hierarchical structures which promote inequality and restrict freedom of the population by enforcing capitalism. Yes, enforcing, it is not natural and it relies on state's monopoly of violence to uphold private property rights, without those capitalism would not exist. It requires enforcement and propaganda from the top in order to suppress the working class who get the short end of the stick in this arrangement. You mistake capitalism for trading and the usage of currency. It's not.
Why? Revolutionaries aren't anything but regular people who rise against their oppressors. That all. Everyone can be "on par" with a French revolutionary given the right circumstance.
Nail on the fucking head. Yet this is what liberals do.
You are also wrong if you think anyone thinks they start a revolution by smashing windows in a protest or random acts of bombing. That is a ridiculous notion. It's entirely expected that among huge number of protesting people some get the idea of vandalizing things. It's not a big deal. Why liberals get so worked up about windows and trashcans is beyond me. They care more about trashcans than about blacks or muslims fucking lol
Revolution only happens once the people want it to happen. No one is trying to start a revolution right now that's stupid.
n/a MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-07-03
Okay so the world is irredeemably bad and the only way to achieve social utopia is to kill a bunch of people? Fundamentally that's what you're saying. I just want you to realize how cultish and extremist you sound. You keep saying that social change can't happen without blood but has most of the time. In fact, bloody revolutions are quite rare for nations. You just have a hard on for murder fantasies and are trying to twist things so that you're the victim. Ever read McVeigh's justification for his actions? He was just like you, only difference is he wanted the revolution to lead to a race war. I keep saying it, and you keep proving me right: You're an extremist. Homeland security did the right thing by putting you on a watch list.
As for trade unions being dead go and tell LA dock workers that. Or carpenters, millwrights, electricians, plumbers, etc...
I also would like to point out that every anarchistic society has either been primitive, or easily crushed and replaced because people want stability and not anarchy. Hence why the French Revolution ended in Emperor Napoleon instead of civil emancipation.
n/a signmeupreddit 2017-07-03
No, world could be better and the way to achieve this is to change the irredeemably bad ideas we currently follow. This could be done without any violence, it would be great if it was but in the real world you can't because changing power structures makes those at the top violent and as a response to that violence people must also do violence. It's not necessary if the elite give up their power without a fight when the people demand it, but they won't.
How is that what the people wanted? People wanted an anarchist society apparently and it was crushed by outside force that wanted more. French revolution ended in Napoleon (although it didn't "end", the consequences of that revolution will never end) because it was possible for there to be an emperor. It didn't do away with hierarchical structures. Power was there and someone took it.
n/a MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-07-03
Like when the Queen of Denmark went on a murderous rampage? Or was it Queen Elizabeth beheading British Parliment? Not every social change happens through revolution. In fact most don't. Protest yes, revolution no. Remember when prohibition started when the dries set off bombs? Me neither.
Man you just keep trying to justify your murder fantasies. How exactly are you different than the radical right in terms of means to the ends? Hint: Not very!
And they didn't resist like the Mujahideen did. Usually when someone takes away something you like you keep fighting back instead of just going "Oh, okay then." The fact they didn't offer any long lasting resistance speaks volumes about how much they loved anarchy. If they truly did they would have fought red in fang and claw, but they offered no resistance.
Like when Nestor Makhno's Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army took over the Free Territories with the Makhnovists because they refused to lay down arms or relinquish control? Sure they said they were just advisors but they were the only political party around there. Such is life in anarchist utopia.
There are power hungry people, they will always exist and no revolution can stop them from being born. Keep in mind that any social organization that cannot resist outside influence or internal ones will always be doomed to failure. Full stop, no exemptions. Anarchy has only ever existed when organized forces were too busy to deal with them right away. The second they did though, the anarchists lost at least 3:1 men. That's not exactly a glowing endorsement for anarchy.
n/a signmeupreddit 2017-07-03
Comparing states of tens of millions of people fighting back is bit different than small city wide societies trying to wage war against an entire country. This is why any attempts at anarchism at small level can't work because they are not allowed to thrive on their own which means that the only way to reach real societal change is dismantling the state entirely.
No, you get the occasional bone thrown to the people to keep them satisfied. Just as your employer won't give you a raise for no reason, the people who pocket the government won't give you anything if it costs them more than it's worth.
It's not that violence is something anyone wants to do but for the sake of a revolution must be prepared to. Even the threat of violence can be enough but as long as the population do not demand with figurative pitchforks in hand they will not get any more than the powerful deem they can get away with. Why would they, there is nothing that complies them. Out of the goodness of their heart?
What are you on about? Why are you advocating violence, I thought the only proper thing to do is to accept it, maybe send an angry letter to the conqueror, as according to you resisting the occupation makes the resisters extremist terrorists. I also don't understand how losing a war means your ideology can't work. Soviet Union and Nazi-Germany won plenty of wars does that make their ideas superior.
n/a MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-07-03
Doesn't change the fact that there never has been any anarchist resistance that lasted even a week. If the people of a city or territory of 7 million don't actually want to resist the people who kicked the shit out of the anarchists you need to understand that it's not going to happen at a state level.
You keep thinking there is so much discontent that the entire population of a nation will rise up, yet every time that's happened they've ended up with a strongman because people prefer order to anarchy. Order can't exist in anarchy, and you'd have to be mentally damaged to believe it would. Not everyone is a secret anarchist, but your entire ideology fails to understand that.
Oh come off it. You've spent this entire time trying to give reasons why it's inevitable and trying, but failing, to show how its impossible for social change to happen without blood. You're just trying to justify your murder fantasies, just like the extreme right do.
Or you know, when people vote. Here in Canada the Conservative party is exclusively big business mouthpieces, and they got kicked to the curb in the last election. You keep saying that violence is necessary for change to happen, but for that to be true you must be able to show that all societal changes only happened because the people had "pitchforks in hand". You're claiming this is a hard universal, and so far there are a lot of exceptions for that.
You mean like when the British banned slavery? Or when Vermont did? Ooh, how about when the Danes, Spanish, Dutch, French, Cubans and Brazilians did it? In democracies you can elect people who will speak to your interests, like when the British banned impressment. The powerful also just voluntarily give up control like the British royalty did and like the British did in the Commonwealth countries. You keep saying that there needs to be blood for social changes but a lot just happen because times change and old ways aren't seen as necessary or useful anymore.
Aww this is adorable. You're honestly thinking that you REEEEing about people owning property is the same as having a life you like taken away by an invading force. Tell me though, if the people in anarchist uprisings liked anarchism so much then why didn't they resist the abolishment of it? You're going to either have to explain this or accept that even in anarchist societies, people don't much care for anarchism.
Yeah Nazi Germany didn't win wars. There was also a fair amount of resistance in Nazi era Germany and far more in Nazi and Soviet occupied countries to that new order than ever happened after anarchists got kicked to the curb. You didn't see Franco have to send in the tanks to Catalonia to oppress the anarchists who were trying to reestablish anarchy. You think this proves some kind of point but all it does it reinforce how unpopular anarchism has been. People in Eastern Europe never accepted communism and partisans fought Nazis until the end. When anarchists got defeated people were just glad they were finally gone and didn't shed a tear of sadness.
Again, if anarchy is inevitable then why has no one resisted the powers that replaced it? The answer will explain how anarchy will never voluntarily be the state of affairs.
n/a NationalDenbt 2017-07-03
Did they just forget that BLM bloke who straight opened up into a bunch of police?
I mean, that's a fairly obvious one which had been hidden just off the top of my head.
n/a celocanth13 2017-07-03
Are you talking about the black guy in Dallas that shot a bunch of officers and explicitly said he had nothing to do with BLM?
n/a handsomestalin 2017-07-03
"Our violence doesn't kill people so it's peachy keen ¯/(ツ)//¯"
n/a eDgEIN708 2017-07-03
I love that gif so much.
n/a EarnestNoMeta 2017-07-03
Holy fuck
n/a toynbeeidea16 2017-07-03
Is that 3rd and market in philly?
n/a celocanth13 2017-07-03
Theres a great video of an actual DC resident ripping into the antifa people at the inauguration. All the white out of towners were struggling not to talk down to the black DC native.
n/a metameanderer 2017-07-03
You mean this one?
n/a celocanth13 2017-07-03
Nope, thats def not DC
n/a steiner_math 2017-07-03
This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6Yqt4nrypE
The antifa nerd almost pisses himself when the black guy confronts him
n/a celocanth13 2017-07-03
Still no, I tried to find it on twitter but couldn't
n/a Pinksister 2017-07-03
Don't forget throwing rocks at homeless people!
n/a isiramteal 2017-07-03
TIL free speech = beating the shit out of someone you label at whim as a fascist
n/a DistortedLines 2017-07-03
But i thought "we shouldn't tolerate the intolerant" right? Or is freeze peach except when they're getting censored?
n/a glmox 2017-07-03
they arent even getting censored, is the confusing thing. like it isnt illegal to say "i approve of what this terrorist group is doing," it's just illegal to actually do terrorism. new jersey posting a pdf on their website doesnt change that
n/a carthoris26 2017-07-03
Your mistake was expecting anyone on the internet, let alone such top minds as these, to notice distinctions. Remember these are the people who unironically believe Trump is indistinguishable from Hitler.
n/a captainpriapism 2017-07-03
the guys with airhorns that continually scream FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU and cover cameras with flags when asked questions by reporters totally care about free speech
n/a michgot 2017-07-03
Here u go, fam. /u/AbortusLuciferum (nice edgy name btw)
n/a Spectre_06 2017-07-03
It's not murder if you fucking deserve it, u/FrankManic, you LARPing piece of white trash.
TIL that ISIS is really just a group of liberators, not terrorists. Thanks for helping me open my eyes, u/IdeaExplorer77! Stay
wokeautistic!Hang on, u/Comrade_Belinski, let's see what the dictionary says about this.
Well shit, looks like with the well-documented video evidence of a bunch of white supremacists claiming to be "antifascist" attacking people they politically disagree with unprovoked, AntiFa is, legitimately, a terrorist organization. Imagine that.
n/a ProphetRith 2017-07-03
I wish at least some of them would take the bait and respond this thread's too boring otherwise :C
n/a Fletch71011 2017-07-03
Looks like you got your wish.
n/a FrankManic 2017-07-03
Sorry, Bob, you are required to state your answer in the form of a coherent sentence or paragraph. Please resubmit your comment in a form that is intelligible!
n/a Spectre_06 2017-07-03
I see you're retarded on every subreddit, not just on socialism.
n/a FrankManic 2017-07-03
Good lord! It's learned to mimic our language!
n/a Spectre_06 2017-07-03
Look at you, thinking you're people...
n/a FrankManic 2017-07-03
Ooh, see, now we're having drama on /r/drama. Metadrama!
n/a sombresobriquet 2017-07-03
I bet you think this was a witty comment
n/a wwaalleess 2017-07-03
This must be your first time getting pinged here if you find this surprising.
n/a _SONNEILLON 2017-07-03
Tbh usually we try and avoid mongs like you because we don't like getting your tard drool on our nice new masks
n/a rsaahhuul0 2017-07-03
See, this is a good response as per r/Drama rules. Keep it up and post here more often, as long as you pledge yourself to bussy and mayocide.
1 CaptainChildLover 2017-07-03
White tears
n/a lvl99SkrubRekker 2017-07-03
Ill take "group of dipshits larping too hard" for 200 alex.
n/a Spectre_06 2017-07-03
Of course they're LARPers. The only people who do this shit and join antifa are a bunch of beta-male white trash pretending to be competent and the POGiest of POGs. If you've ever actually done anything with your life, especially in the military, you look at these bitches and laugh. And then pray they do something so you can bring the hate.
n/a xenokilla 2017-07-03
Pogs, like the discs from the 90's?
n/a randomuser5632 2017-07-03
Nah, it means posted on garrison. Paper pushers and the like. Everyone who isnt a combat soldier.
n/a wwyzzerdd 2017-07-03
People Other (than) Grunts.
n/a randomuser5632 2017-07-03
Depends on country.
n/a Spectre_06 2017-07-03
THIS IS BREXIT 1776 DAY, SEE YOUR ASS OUTTA' HERE.
n/a randomuser5632 2017-07-03
Hahahha
n/a glmox 2017-07-03
im confused why theyre even bothered by this. antifa is terroristic in relation to a liberal state by design, getting classified as such is a good sign. the thing they should be angry about is it's only by fucking new jersey so who cares
n/a Kekistanian9000 2017-07-03
https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/6l0k40/new_jerseys_homeland_security_labels_antifa_as_a/djqstp0/
Would that be a ban?
n/a ZeitgeistNow 2017-07-03
/u/FrankManiac
Please make a single well-reasoned argument as for why shooting violent idiots like yourself is a bad thing. Because I'll let you know right now, no one in this country is gonna shed a tear over some middle class white idiot like you.
n/a jubbergun 2017-07-03
Why waste a bullet on a guy like that? I've got plenty of heavy tools and I haven't been to the gym today. Two birds; one stone!!!
J/K, I would never hit /u/FrankManiac or any of his edgy commie pals. I was taught that it's wrong to hit women.
n/a Russiangreyman 2017-07-03
DID YOU JUST ASSUME IT'S GENDER?
n/a kaufe 2017-07-03
eww normie meme
n/a PoorLilMarco 2017-07-03
Learn 2 ping you mongoloids
/u/FrankManic
n/a PoorLilMarco 2017-07-03
test
n/a raps_caucasionally 2017-07-03
Whoever taught you that was retard. Hitting women is the best thing since hitting your children.
n/a Kysbu 2017-07-03
Wtf i love new jersey now
n/a toynbeeidea16 2017-07-03
Visit Camden. You'll change your mind right back.
n/a LSU_Coonass 2017-07-03
if you take the labels out of the thread repost it to socialism you will get 200 "muh-freeze-peaches" comments
n/a midairfistfight 2017-07-03
It's the alt-right that are terrorists, not us.
Targets not tactics!
n/a Also_called_Bort 2017-07-03
Mayocide on indefinite hiatus until further notice. You heard it here first.
Shit, now /r/drama is going to need a new joke. Again.
n/a Stuntman119 2017-07-03
You don't call the shots mister
n/a RedditNinjaApex 2017-07-03
This is your brain on socialism.
n/a EarnestNoMeta 2017-07-03
u/kinoblau I know this is hard to believe but maybe, MAYBE, you idiots are on the wrong side of history. Maybe.
n/a lvl99SkrubRekker 2017-07-03
Not recognizing that many patriot groups are listed on federal watch lists for terrorism lol
n/a da394ba8f4646fabe414 2017-07-03
They need to dig deeper. Someone should do a study on what seems to a clear linkage between terrorism, socialism, sadly drinking kombucha while watching actual men run a train on your wife.
n/a savantfool 2017-07-03
Where is form from they are allowed anything without repercussions from politicians cause they fight against the Nazis.
n/a zahlman 2017-07-03
/u/RegularJerk
No, they are dead serious about that.
n/a zahlman 2017-07-03
/u/IdeaExplorer77
No, you moron. It's "terrorist" to use terror in the pursuit of political aims, because that's what the word means. According to Homeland Security, antifa does so. They hold this opinion because it is objectively true. None of that is true.
n/a Whatafuxup 2017-07-03
does this mean its legal to kill antifa now?
asking for a friend
n/a zahlman 2017-07-03
/u/IdeaExplorer77
No, you moron. It's "terrorist" to use terror in the pursuit of political aims, because that's what the word means. According to Homeland Security, antifa does so. They hold this opinion because it is objectively true.
n/a zahlman 2017-07-03
/u/ebol4anthr4x
Right, because that level of sanitization is required in order to not conclude that they were terrorists.
n/a zahlman 2017-07-03
/u/Kinoblau
I'm not a right-winger, but I assume they think it because it is true.
I mean, that whole black bloc thing is simply not something you can do without deliberation and organization.
n/a slimmsy 2017-07-03
Doesn't matter if you were right wing. I'm still yet to hear a compelling argument against small government, personal responsibility and a free market economy with minimal regulations.
n/a celocanth13 2017-07-03
I have yet to see all 3 of those in one place, especially the personal responsibility and actually small government ones.
n/a slimmsy 2017-07-03
No but that's the argument of actual conservatives and it's a damn good argument. I understand there are very countries like that (if any) but ideally that's what I believe the goal should be. I don't want to live in a system where my success or failure is determined by policy. If I sell my car to someone in a private transaction I don't want the government taking a percentage because of reasons and I certainly don't want the government to micromanage society.
n/a celocanth13 2017-07-03
So you want the "government get out reeee" version of anarchy and not the "happy hand holding" version.
n/a slimmsy 2017-07-03
No I want sensible regulation that isn't excessive. i don't think government should micromanage society. I live in a city it's happening to a small degree and it's crippling the city. Especially the entertainment and hospitality industry. I don't know you but how would you like living in a city where there is a mandatory lock out of all venues after 1am (except for the casino)? it might not sound like that big of a deal but various venues have been forced to shut down because of these laws and it has severely impacted the tourism industry.
n/a baeb66 2017-07-03
AntiFA is about as organized as Occupy. They are decentralized and ineffectual at best.
n/a zahlman 2017-07-03
/u/predalienmack
Bwahahahaha do you realize how pathetic you sound? "Woe is me, for all nuance is gone from modern political discussion! BTW, DAE everyone who disagrees with me is a fascist who gets 'talking points' from evil fascist places rather than possibly actually having an original thought?"
n/a predalienmack 2017-07-03
Even people who think American conservatism and liberalism are the end all be all to all political thought (which couldn't be more wrong) can see how politics has truly become a game of basically sports teams and us vs. them mentalities where neither side really has any understanding of the other in most cases, and most of the voters have no idea how similar the positions of both major parties are. I never said that anyone who disagrees with me is inherently a fascist - do you have any idea how many different branches of thought there are within leftism alone, many of which I disagree with? I don't label an opposing group as fascist or fascist-leaning unless they express fascist tendencies. Is the average Trump supporter a fascist? Of course not, but the average fascist is a Trump supporter, which says more than needs to be said about him and the people in power who back him!
Many of the sources for talking points on the right, particularly the Fox Newses and Breitbarts of the world, do express and defend fascist tendencies constantly, and also accuse those who oppose them for labeling everyone they disagree with as fascists, which cheapens the word and its historical meanings. You are the one literally reciting a talking point, likely from one of those news sources I mentioned or from one of the right wing circle jerk subs on reddit, as the crux of your argument. Maybe you are the one who needs to look into the mirror and like I said in my original comment, do some research and learn for yourself.
n/a HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-07-03
Why are you seriousposting here? This isn't the place for that.
n/a predalienmack 2017-07-03
I'm not very familiar with this subreddit, as I got tagged in this post by a user, so I'm not up to date with the norms of it.
n/a HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-07-03
Seriousposts are sincerely frowned upon here. You'll have to rebut with a witty response that shows you're 2 cool 😎 2 care.
n/a zahlman 2017-07-03
No, I'm not. I'm accusing you of being over-eager to call people fascists because you objectively are over-eager to call people fascists. When you say "all of their talking points are generally from right wing and fascist-sympathizing news sources", that is the effect of it. Simply accusing people of relying on "talking points" is already approaching the discussion in bad faith.
But I mean, think about this seriously. How, exactly, do you objectively determine whether a given individual is "a fascist"? Like, if I were a literal extraterrestrial with no concept of Terran politics, how would you explain the concept? Also, about how many American citizens do you believe qualify for that label?
n/a zahlman 2017-07-03
/u/ComradeofSwadia
Holy shit, get over yourself.
n/a ComradeOfSwadia 2017-07-03
How cute, you felt the need to write out a message to everyone posting in the thread from your safe space.
n/a zahlman 2017-07-03
Holy shit, get over yourself.
n/a PoorLilMarco 2017-07-03
Advocates for safe spaces
Mocks people you don't like for using safe spaces
🤔💭🔫
n/a _narrows 2017-07-03
Develop inoperable cancer and die a painful, protracted death.
n/a I_smell_like_bacon 2017-07-03
Your condescension has no power here.
n/a _SONNEILLON 2017-07-03
Like literally every communist related sub isn't censored to shit.
I've been banned for calling a trump supporter a fat hillbilly, when he looks exactly like a hillbilly and is 200lbs overweight.
Get off your fucking high horse and stop censoring everything you can
n/a Pinksister 2017-07-03
Have you ever in your life kissed or held hands with someone?
n/a zahlman 2017-07-03
/u/BbyImAnAnarchist
Because nothing says socialist anarchy like choosing as your meeting place a fast-food restaurant now run by a multinational corporation that promotes itself with a false veneer of Canadiana (btw, I thought being proud of Canada's history is, like, totes white supremacist or something?).
n/a BbyImAnAnarchist 2017-07-03
Poe's law, but of course it would end up here.
n/a DivinePrince2 2017-07-03
Now, if other states and provinces would get on the same track.
n/a HillaryDidNothnWrong 2017-07-03
When was smashing the windows of some yuppie's poor SUV "terorrism"?
n/a slimmsy 2017-07-03
Since the definition of terrorism is using violence and intimidation to achieve political goals?
n/a HillaryDidNothnWrong 2017-07-03
That's exactly what I meant, though. New Jersey implies "antifa" are anywhere as effective as guys with suicide vests or dumb cumskins wearing bedsheets.
n/a kasper138 2017-07-03
After reading the comments
n/a ExtreemWeenie 2017-07-03
that's mighty fuckin liberal
n/a IslandTourTwist 2017-07-03
I still am yet to meet a nazi anywhere in the us outside a prison.
Why is everyone considered a nazi now?
n/a double-happiness 2017-07-03
Christ, some of these people do have a short memory, don't they. I suppose 1995 is hard to recall if you were only born in the '90s.
n/a Thulein 2017-07-03
As though /u/PusheenDaDestroyer wasn't born side of the millennium, otherwise he'd also be aware of the Unabomber and the IRA (maybe the whitest terrorist group possible).
n/a Mothu 2017-07-03
If you commit acts of violence in the name of your politic beliefs, on citizens you are a terrorist.
n/a TheHeroReditDeserves 2017-07-03
/r/socialism and /r/anarchism make me yearn for the day of the rope.
n/a handsomestalin 2017-07-03
Antifacide is the only acceptable final solution tbh
1 aaronwright97 2017-07-03
Gurvhfffj