Okay let me clear some stuff up as the OP of that post.
• The point of the post was to apologize for the constant insult to the devs. It's okay to be mad and complain and give suggestions, but here is no reason to insult the developers. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. And yes that can go both ways as we as consumers by the developers products.
• Everyone in the community bashes the devs for not fixing stuff as fast as possible. Another point of the post was to shed light on this topic. Some stuff isn't as easy to fix as everyone makes it out to be. The flicker bug in the game was an example. The community gave 2 big suggestions. A month or 2 went by and nothing was done. The community was filling out. Turns out, the devs tested those suggestions, and they didn't work.
• There is a bug in the game that causes a black screen during gameplay and then crashes the game. Everyone screams, "FIX IT NOW, SIMPLE FIX". Well, no it's not. The bug has to be reproducible. This means you have to find the cause of the bug to fix it. If the bug is random (like the black screen bug) it is EXTREMELY hard if not impossible to fix. Why? You don't know the cause and therefore cannot FIX it. But the community doesn't know that so we flip shit for bugs not being fixed when we want them too.
• The game also has netcode issues. Well it is actually understandable when you realize that the network system they're using is completely unique to for honor and hasn't been done before, at least to my knowledge. How do you fix something that has never been fixed before. You work through it and that's what the devs are doing. I have way less connection issues then I did at launch and so do many of my friends.
• I also see a bunch of people saying, "put more time and effort and man power on the issues like networking. Stop releasing and working content until the issues are fixed". Well that's not how a Dev team works. you can't just bring art designers over to the networking department. They won't have a clue on what to even start doing.
Not one in my original post did I say we should apologize for the current state of the game. Don't put words in my mouth.
In summary, the for Honor community bash the developers for not getting things done when they want them done. The community insult them for being slow without having any idea what goes on behind closed doors. Should Ubisoft be more transparent about stuff, yea they should, and I believe they're gonna start doing so. Point is we have no idea how hard it may be to fix the issues the game has. I see a ton of posts complaining without actually giving suggestions (some do give suggestions and that's a good thing). It just seems asinine. Now I ask, does this warrant insults? I don't think so. Complaints, absolutely. Insults? No.
TL:DR The For Honor community bashes and throws insults at the devs without knowing how hard it may be to fix the issues the game faces. Complaints are warrant but hateful speech is not. It's not gonna make them work any faster. The apology was not meant to be about the complaints or how the game is broken. We have no business apologizing for that. What I think we should apologize for is the relentless insults shot at the devs that aren't needed.
They're okay, but I really love the alpha games, that's the juiciest drama imho. Day z, ark, and all the other spawn some of the best drama I've ever seen. People take their vidya very seriously.
Quite being asinine. Put yourself in their shoes. Your trying to fix a game and the community your working for calls you fucking retard or stupid or incompetent. How the fuck would you feel. Not gonna make anyone work faster. Can YOU do any better if you took their place?
Let me ask you something just on the side. I was insulted multiple times in the thread, simply for saying there's no need to throw insults at the devs. We're the insults directed at me warranted? I'm curious as to what someone like you thinks.
bro it's the internet, you're 20 years old you should have learned by now not to try to have intelligent, well-mannered, serious discussions with the filth that has access to the internet
I shouldn't try but sometimes I do meet people who are intelligent and well mannered and have good discussions. I just don't know how worth it is to go looking for those diamonds in the rough.
I'm going to need you to post a nice close up of your bussy, straight from the gym, sweaty and puffy because you've been running in the short shorts again.
You're defending a company that intentionally sold you a faulty product because they know you fanboys don't even want consumer protection laws to apply to video games.
Holy shit. I don't know how many times I have to fucking say it. IM NOT DEFENDING WHAT THEY DID. I am say we should insult them because stuff isn't getting fixed as fast as everyone wants it.
The game has issues. Every game does at launch. Is every game faulty at launch?
I want consumer protection laws. Explain how I'm a fanboy because I said there is no reason to insult the devs. That just means I'm well mannered person.
Btw nice sneak edit on that last comment. I'm not mad anymore. I dropped everything because I finally realized I can't change what people think. If the sub wants to drown in its own salt. Let it happen.
It's not salt, it's tears of joy my friend, why do you think I'm up-voting you?
For me, drama is like real housewives of reddit, but with death threats, cam whores, degenerate drug addicts, sperging, racism in every direction, and strong friendly sense of community.
Game companies don't feed the consumers, they provide products and services to their consumers, and the consumer response it kind. If they felt they have been swindled by all the hypes builts before release, which the connection all looked well and good (Ubisoft games with good connection, lol), then of course they'll feel justified in getting angry.
How do you fix something that has never been fixed before.
Then use something that works instead of something you don't know whether it would work. You put a product out and if it doesn't work, you get bashed for it. Easy as that.
I'm not getting into it again with someone else. I'm tired of me getting bashed.
All I'll say is that there no reason to spew hateful shit directly at he developers, such as called them retarded, just because they fucked up and their game isn't perfect.
Don't give that shitstain of a game any attention. Well maybe out of morbid curiosity or to laugh at it.
You need to understand this kind of "person" it is a Ubisoft game so their fanbase consists of idiots already and this is a Ubisoft game that was panned because of it being poorly made.
The people still playing this shit make Biodrones look like intelligent game consumers.
I play this game every weekend, I don't understand why people just hate the fuck out of it. There's definitely some issues, but I don't think it's the worst thing I've ever seen.
Don't get me wrong, I don't give 2 shits if people like it or not, just don't understand why they hate it so passionately.
Well thanks for making me out to be less of a person, all because I didn't think the devs deserved to be insulted and that hey don't deserve all the flack they get.
It has its issues, but it's still a good game. Regardless about what someone like you has to say about it.
I've never understood defending companies, especially when there are issues with their products. Customers are telling these companies, "Hey it's okay you sold me a broken product, don't mind the haters." It's like consumer Stockholm syndrome.
My understanding is that game has several big bugs that interfere with the gameplay. Fanbois argue it adds to the experience, or needs time to be fixed, spergs argue the devs released a broken game at full price and are fixing it way too slowly.
I'm happy to feed your drama good sir. I wasn't defending the fact the sold a game with faults. I was defending the fact insults weren't needed. That's all.
Whatever happened to sticks and stones? If a dev releases a games with bugs in the video game world, they should expect some insults. Whether you think it's right or wrong is besides the point; it's reality. Apparently being offended bends reality for upset people now?
That like swimming with great whites, and then getting upset when one of your friends is eaten. Sure it sucks your friend was eaten, but they were swimming with sharks... Pretending video game communities wont be hostile, or insulting is naive.
The internet is a bad place. Filled with trolls. You try to do something good and people belittle you for it because they disagree. It just irritates me that the world is like this. I was always told don't try and change the world. I think I finally understand why.
I am an avid follower of the sticks and stones philosophy. I was bullied a lot when I was younger, both physically and verbally. I just kept on moving but I never hated them for it.
It may be naive and I think I'm starting to realize it's going to be like this no matter what. It was foolish of me to think otherwise.
I never let the internet change me. I'm not a violent or rude person.
I've always known how it works. I just thought I'd try and make it a bit of a better place. Sadly I don't think that's possible. Not all gamers are jerks, some of us want to make friends and have fun. :)
The Overwatch sub does the same thing. These guys really overestimate how much their respective dev teams give a shit about what they say about them on reddit.
Does anyone read? When did I say apologize to the devs for the state of THEIR game. I never did. I said we should apologize for being assholes to them. Complaining is one thing. Insulting and calling the devs retard, autistic, etc simply because things aren't being fixed when you want them to is unnecessary. We have no idea what goes on over there so we don't know why things take as long as they do.
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n/a westphall 2017-07-07
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n/a HINDBRAIN 2017-07-07
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n/a WeWuzKANG5 2017-07-07
The bot is working very hard to provide us with good quotes, we need to allow it time to fix and not constantly complain guise.
n/a WeWuzKANG5 2017-07-07
Some highlights:
Show the devs no quarter: https://www.reddit.com/r/forhonor/comments/6loq4x/i_think_this_entire_sub_owes_the_for_honor_dev/djvj8d6/
Some thought-provoking points about oral sex: https://www.reddit.com/r/forhonor/comments/6loq4x/i_think_this_entire_sub_owes_the_for_honor_dev/djvh36f/
People don't understand how hard it is to make an un-broken game: https://www.reddit.com/r/forhonor/comments/6loq4x/i_think_this_entire_sub_owes_the_for_honor_dev/djvr0ur/
Op is clearly just bussy for the devs: https://www.reddit.com/r/forhonor/comments/6loq4x/i_think_this_entire_sub_owes_the_for_honor_dev/djvp9vn/
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
Okay let me clear some stuff up as the OP of that post.
• The point of the post was to apologize for the constant insult to the devs. It's okay to be mad and complain and give suggestions, but here is no reason to insult the developers. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. And yes that can go both ways as we as consumers by the developers products.
• Everyone in the community bashes the devs for not fixing stuff as fast as possible. Another point of the post was to shed light on this topic. Some stuff isn't as easy to fix as everyone makes it out to be. The flicker bug in the game was an example. The community gave 2 big suggestions. A month or 2 went by and nothing was done. The community was filling out. Turns out, the devs tested those suggestions, and they didn't work.
• There is a bug in the game that causes a black screen during gameplay and then crashes the game. Everyone screams, "FIX IT NOW, SIMPLE FIX". Well, no it's not. The bug has to be reproducible. This means you have to find the cause of the bug to fix it. If the bug is random (like the black screen bug) it is EXTREMELY hard if not impossible to fix. Why? You don't know the cause and therefore cannot FIX it. But the community doesn't know that so we flip shit for bugs not being fixed when we want them too.
• The game also has netcode issues. Well it is actually understandable when you realize that the network system they're using is completely unique to for honor and hasn't been done before, at least to my knowledge. How do you fix something that has never been fixed before. You work through it and that's what the devs are doing. I have way less connection issues then I did at launch and so do many of my friends.
• I also see a bunch of people saying, "put more time and effort and man power on the issues like networking. Stop releasing and working content until the issues are fixed". Well that's not how a Dev team works. you can't just bring art designers over to the networking department. They won't have a clue on what to even start doing.
Not one in my original post did I say we should apologize for the current state of the game. Don't put words in my mouth.
In summary, the for Honor community bash the developers for not getting things done when they want them done. The community insult them for being slow without having any idea what goes on behind closed doors. Should Ubisoft be more transparent about stuff, yea they should, and I believe they're gonna start doing so. Point is we have no idea how hard it may be to fix the issues the game has. I see a ton of posts complaining without actually giving suggestions (some do give suggestions and that's a good thing). It just seems asinine. Now I ask, does this warrant insults? I don't think so. Complaints, absolutely. Insults? No.
TL:DR The For Honor community bashes and throws insults at the devs without knowing how hard it may be to fix the issues the game faces. Complaints are warrant but hateful speech is not. It's not gonna make them work any faster. The apology was not meant to be about the complaints or how the game is broken. We have no business apologizing for that. What I think we should apologize for is the relentless insults shot at the devs that aren't needed.
n/a UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-07-07
Oh, boy...
n/a Lawd_Frieza 2017-07-07
100% agree. A small indie company just trying to make some money on it's first game should not be subject to this kind of criticism.
n/a WeWuzKANG5 2017-07-07
Oh so subtle
n/a froibo 2017-07-07
I think you put more effort into that essay than Ubisoft did after they got your money.
n/a WeWuzKANG5 2017-07-07
Big if tru
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
This isn't r/2007scape
n/a kryonik 2017-07-07
Big if tru
n/a Voldim 2017-07-07
you can't just drop a clarification that's longer than your original post
n/a WeWuzKANG5 2017-07-07
I hope he drops more.
n/a WeWuzKANG5 2017-07-07
I just like video game drama.
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
You must be pretty avid in the overwatch or league subs.
n/a WeWuzKANG5 2017-07-07
They're okay, but I really love the alpha games, that's the juiciest drama imho. Day z, ark, and all the other spawn some of the best drama I've ever seen. People take their vidya very seriously.
n/a shitpersonality 2017-07-07
Fucking retard loves getting dicked by ubisoft.
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
Name checks out.
n/a MareDoVVell 2017-07-07
I'm fairly sure no one in this sub cares, and just came to watch you and the rest of the sub argue with each other...
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
Just thought I'd clear up some stuff. I already got s ton of shit on the other sub.
n/a 444455555666666 2017-07-07
why don't you just ask ubisoft's entire office to fuck your wife, that might improve their morale and they might fix 2 bugs a year instead of 1
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
Because I'm 20 years old who doesn't have a wife?
Quite being asinine. Put yourself in their shoes. Your trying to fix a game and the community your working for calls you fucking retard or stupid or incompetent. How the fuck would you feel. Not gonna make anyone work faster. Can YOU do any better if you took their place?
n/a 444455555666666 2017-07-07
If I worked at ubisoft I'd just take my money and not do shit cause you retards will buy the next one and defend me anyway
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
Go say that to the devs who work on rainbow six siege. They turned the game around. You're a fucking idiot.
n/a 444455555666666 2017-07-07
I don't actually know anything about any of these games I just think your outrage is great
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
An idiot and an asshole. Never seen that before.
Let me ask you something just on the side. I was insulted multiple times in the thread, simply for saying there's no need to throw insults at the devs. We're the insults directed at me warranted? I'm curious as to what someone like you thinks.
n/a 444455555666666 2017-07-07
bro it's the internet, you're 20 years old you should have learned by now not to try to have intelligent, well-mannered, serious discussions with the filth that has access to the internet
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
Less of an idiot/asshole now.
I shouldn't try but sometimes I do meet people who are intelligent and well mannered and have good discussions. I just don't know how worth it is to go looking for those diamonds in the rough.
n/a froibo 2017-07-07
You sound euphoric.
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
I usually am. It's just annoying how childish some people are.
n/a froibo 2017-07-07
😌😏😌😏😌😏
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
😏
n/a _narrows 2017-07-07
Yes.
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
Provide some context to your conclusion.
n/a _narrows 2017-07-07
I thought it was obvious
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
It's also pretty obvious your a troll. Just like almost everyone else on the internet. You must feel special.
n/a _narrows 2017-07-07
It's YOU'RE, you tremendous retard
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
You missed the period at the end of your video response. You a tremendous retard.
Using your logic, it's the internet why should I give a shit about anything. Much less grammar. Fucking idiot.
n/a _narrows 2017-07-07
If only your mother had been more proactive when she missed her period, we wouldn't be in this mess :'(
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
I think I'm getting to someone. ;)
What are you 12 using mom jokes? Most of the evidence like you being a troll all point to you being a 12 year old.
n/a _narrows 2017-07-07
Do you realize what neighborhood you're in?
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
Have you realized I don't care?
n/a _narrows 2017-07-07
I'm going to need you to post a nice close up of your bussy, straight from the gym, sweaty and puffy because you've been running in the short shorts again.
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
That was actually hilarious. I needed a laugh so thanks.
n/a Tierschloss 2017-07-07
You're defending a company that intentionally sold you a faulty product because they know you fanboys don't even want consumer protection laws to apply to video games.
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
Holy shit. I don't know how many times I have to fucking say it. IM NOT DEFENDING WHAT THEY DID. I am say we should insult them because stuff isn't getting fixed as fast as everyone wants it.
The game has issues. Every game does at launch. Is every game faulty at launch?
I want consumer protection laws. Explain how I'm a fanboy because I said there is no reason to insult the devs. That just means I'm well mannered person.
n/a _narrows 2017-07-07
20 years old and doesn't understand the difference between "you're" and "your".
END YOUR FUCKING LIFE.
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
It was a grammatical mistake. It happens to everyone. I'm on mobile you pretentious shit.
n/a gumbenzoin 2017-07-07
man ur actually srsposting in /r/drama
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
I've never been to the sub. I didn't know trolling was a requirement.
n/a gumbenzoin 2017-07-07
trolling or not u shouldnt call ppl names. thats very immature
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
What do you think the post OP linked was about?
Btw nice sneak edit on that last comment. I'm not mad anymore. I dropped everything because I finally realized I can't change what people think. If the sub wants to drown in its own salt. Let it happen.
n/a gumbenzoin 2017-07-07
but u were pretty mad tho
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
Shut up dude. This whole entire thread is mostly filled with trolls. Go back under your bridge.
n/a gumbenzoin 2017-07-07
rude :(
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
I'm on edge. Sorry.
n/a WeWuzKANG5 2017-07-07
It's not salt, it's tears of joy my friend, why do you think I'm up-voting you?
For me, drama is like real housewives of reddit, but with death threats, cam whores, degenerate drug addicts, sperging, racism in every direction, and strong friendly sense of community.
n/a WeWuzKANG5 2017-07-07
I hope that's not your real age. You should never post any personal information about yourself to this site, I'm being serious.
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
No comment. It may be my real age. It may not be.
n/a nanonan 2017-07-07
Holy shitshow. Thanks for clearing that up. Those """developers""" deserve every ounce of the hate and some more.
n/a Pepperglue 2017-07-07
Game companies don't feed the consumers, they provide products and services to their consumers, and the consumer response it kind. If they felt they have been swindled by all the hypes builts before release, which the connection all looked well and good (Ubisoft games with good connection, lol), then of course they'll feel justified in getting angry.
Then use something that works instead of something you don't know whether it would work. You put a product out and if it doesn't work, you get bashed for it. Easy as that.
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
I'm not getting into it again with someone else. I'm tired of me getting bashed.
All I'll say is that there no reason to spew hateful shit directly at he developers, such as called them retarded, just because they fucked up and their game isn't perfect.
n/a Pepperglue 2017-07-07
Depending on the scale of the fuck up, they might deserve the name.
We're not here to bash you. You provide us with entertainment! On this front, you are definitely doing better than Ubisoft could.
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
I don't think that the scale of the fuck up warrants just how much the devs have been bashed.
Glad I could be of some service.
n/a Cake_eater666 2017-07-07
Don't give that shitstain of a game any attention. Well maybe out of morbid curiosity or to laugh at it.
You need to understand this kind of "person" it is a Ubisoft game so their fanbase consists of idiots already and this is a Ubisoft game that was panned because of it being poorly made.
The people still playing this shit make Biodrones look like intelligent game consumers.
n/a Arkham_Retirement 2017-07-07
I play this game every weekend, I don't understand why people just hate the fuck out of it. There's definitely some issues, but I don't think it's the worst thing I've ever seen.
Don't get me wrong, I don't give 2 shits if people like it or not, just don't understand why they hate it so passionately.
n/a Cake_eater666 2017-07-07
You don't understand. That is correct. Do you think people on Bioware forums understand why they are the human equivalent of shit?
There are people who "don't understand" why Battleborn or ME:A failed and are hated.
And they never will.
n/a Arkham_Retirement 2017-07-07
Goddam, dude. Take it easy, they're just games.
n/a Cake_eater666 2017-07-07
Life is a game.
n/a Works_of_memercy 2017-07-07
Was it feminism? Did those games fail because of feminism?
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
Well thanks for making me out to be less of a person, all because I didn't think the devs deserved to be insulted and that hey don't deserve all the flack they get.
It has its issues, but it's still a good game. Regardless about what someone like you has to say about it.
n/a Kekistanian9000 2017-07-07
As one should say in there cases,
n/a WeWuzKANG5 2017-07-07
I've never understood defending companies, especially when there are issues with their products. Customers are telling these companies, "Hey it's okay you sold me a broken product, don't mind the haters." It's like consumer Stockholm syndrome.
n/a Kekistanian9000 2017-07-07
Yeah but all fucking nuances they are talking about are out of reach for me.
n/a WeWuzKANG5 2017-07-07
My understanding is that game has several big bugs that interfere with the gameplay. Fanbois argue it adds to the experience, or needs time to be fixed, spergs argue the devs released a broken game at full price and are fixing it way too slowly.
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
You really are a fucking idiot
n/a WeWuzKANG5 2017-07-07
Tell me more
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
I'm happy to feed your drama good sir. I wasn't defending the fact the sold a game with faults. I was defending the fact insults weren't needed. That's all.
n/a WeWuzKANG5 2017-07-07
Whatever happened to sticks and stones? If a dev releases a games with bugs in the video game world, they should expect some insults. Whether you think it's right or wrong is besides the point; it's reality. Apparently being offended bends reality for upset people now?
That like swimming with great whites, and then getting upset when one of your friends is eaten. Sure it sucks your friend was eaten, but they were swimming with sharks... Pretending video game communities wont be hostile, or insulting is naive.
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
The internet is a bad place. Filled with trolls. You try to do something good and people belittle you for it because they disagree. It just irritates me that the world is like this. I was always told don't try and change the world. I think I finally understand why.
I am an avid follower of the sticks and stones philosophy. I was bullied a lot when I was younger, both physically and verbally. I just kept on moving but I never hated them for it.
It may be naive and I think I'm starting to realize it's going to be like this no matter what. It was foolish of me to think otherwise.
n/a WeWuzKANG5 2017-07-07
Oh you sweet summer child.
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
I can't tell if that was meant to trigger me but I'm not gonna focus on it. I've been irritated all morning. I'm sorry for insulting you.
n/a WeWuzKANG5 2017-07-07
No worries, I'm just amazed you're a gamer, and on the internet and yet you're just now realizing how this all really works.
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
I never let the internet change me. I'm not a violent or rude person.
I've always known how it works. I just thought I'd try and make it a bit of a better place. Sadly I don't think that's possible. Not all gamers are jerks, some of us want to make friends and have fun. :)
n/a mustg3tbuck 2017-07-07
Your still here?
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
I'm about to take my leave, thanks.
n/a mustg3tbuck 2017-07-07
Nooooooo!
Stay A little longer, have fun with it.
n/a Hotpocketsand 2017-07-07
There has to be a correlation between console video gamers and increased levels/frequency of autism.
n/a -Princeps- 2017-07-07
pccucks actuall believe this
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
I think it's gamers in general.
n/a MrNotSpecified 2017-07-07
console video gamersReddit users.n/a DoktuhParadox 2017-07-07
The Overwatch sub does the same thing. These guys really overestimate how much their respective dev teams give a shit about what they say about them on reddit.
n/a AvocadoCake 2017-07-07
Could you imagine buying a Ubisoft game and expecting a good product?
n/a massenkompatibel 2017-07-07
Yup, all they paid for is the privilege of feeling like an idiot for the umpteenth time.
n/a prizzle92 2017-07-07
I liked far cry 3 ¯_(ツ)_//¯
n/a TesticleMayhem 2017-07-07
Game has the same problems it had in open beta and we should apologize to the devs for that?
Whut?
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
Does anyone read? When did I say apologize to the devs for the state of THEIR game. I never did. I said we should apologize for being assholes to them. Complaining is one thing. Insulting and calling the devs retard, autistic, etc simply because things aren't being fixed when you want them to is unnecessary. We have no idea what goes on over there so we don't know why things take as long as they do.
n/a NeadStork 2017-07-07
most heinous example of victim blaming tbh
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
Please elaborate
n/a NeadStork 2017-07-07
im not smart enough too
n/a silentkiln 2017-07-07
Clearly.