Those faggots circlejerking about missiles who don't know how easy it is to cook poison in your kitchen, or cultivate a few harmful bacteria and spread them against a whole population.
Yeah but to weaponize it you need to break it into small particles (you usually need lab quality grinders for that, where you use liquid nitrogen to freeze it first so it fragments to the optimal size).
I was more thinking of Legionella. That shit is lethal, and has flu like symptoms the first days (so if it's not an epidemic the first person to get it usually dies because doctors don't catch it in time). Put it in someone's pipes, or ventilation system, it'll multiply nicely and every cup of water, warm shower, or even condensation from AC will put them closer to death.
Ricin is a poison, with the same advantages : when doctors notice it's not the flu, it's usually too late. Can be cooked in a simple pan, but the trick is not to poison yourself in the meantime. But if you obtain some without killing yourself, it's very effective (KGB used pellets coated in it to kill, victims would think they had a little rash, or were stung by a mosquito).
Homemade explosives are pretty effective too (acetone peroxide especially). The go-to explosive for terrorists on a budget. Then again the main problem is that it's very unstable, so fuckers who try to cook some might end up blowing themselves up. But it can be made with cleaning supplies sold everywhere, in a bathtub (was used in many terrorist bombings).
The genus Legionella is a pathogenic group of Gram-negative bacteria that includes the species L. pneumophila, causing legionellosis (all illnesses caused by Legionella) including a pneumonia-type illness called Legionnaires' disease and a mild flu-like illness called Pontiac fever.
Legionella may be visualized with a silver stain or cultured in cysteine-containing media such as buffered charcoal yeast extract agar. It is common in many environments, including soil and aquatic systems, with at least 50 species and 70 serogroups identified. The bacterium, however, is not transmissible from person to person: furthermore, most people exposed to the bacteria do not become ill.
Ricin
Ricin ( RYE-sin) is a highly toxic, naturally occurring lectin (a carbohydrate-binding protein) produced in the seeds of the castor oil plant, Ricinus communis. A dose of purified ricin powder the size of a few grains of table salt can kill an adult human. The median lethal dose (LD50) of ricin is around 22 micrograms per kilogram of body weight if the exposure is from injection or inhalation (1.78 milligram for an average adult). Oral exposure to ricin is far less toxic as some of the poison is inactivated in the stomach.
Acetone peroxide
Acetone peroxide is an organic peroxide and a primary high explosive. It is produced by the oxidation of acetone to yield a mixture of linear monomer and cyclic dimer, trimer, and tetramer forms. The trimer is known as triacetone triperoxide (TATP) or tri-cyclic acetone peroxide (TCAP). Acetone peroxide takes the form of a white crystalline powder with a distinctive bleach-like odor and can explode if subjected to heat, friction, or shock.
If you want to go full on whacko all-out, you can try to infect someone with rabies. They'd probably won't notice until they start showing symptoms, and by then, it's already too late to save them.
You can even release rabies-infected bats in true villain style.
That would be awesome. Even if it didn't work at all, it would still cause a panic because you know the news would cover nothing but that for weeks, and people would fear it everywhere.
Technically I guess I am. If only because there's another illegal aspect of "homebrewed" chemistry I didn't go into which is about making drugs. If you've ever had a job where you even had to buy and use simple harmless chemicals, a lot of stuff has to be registered with our equivalent of the DEA because they simply could be drug precusors (or at least very useful to a dealer).
So some stuff can only be bought in limited quantities (per business), and I'm willing to bet they look into the names of who owns and works in those businesses (just so the same guy doesn't create 5 LLCs, or has friends create them, and uses them to buy lots of restricted chemicals).
The rest of what I suggested can be found on wikipedia (even on web 1.0 16 years ago those recipes were floating around). But smart people don't fuck with that because there's a huge risk of killing yourself. If you make poisons (even if you somehow manage to not kill yourself/your family/your pets) you might disperse noxious fumes in the central air of your building (and make the neighbors sick).
With explosives, you simply die (it happens once every few years). Recently a terrorist blew himself up while cooking TATP (sometimes it's also teenagers who found the recipe online).
And then there's assholes on 4chan who put out fake recipes, but with one step changed so that you blow yourself up. Kind of like those dangerous life hacks.
With explosives, you simply die (it happens once every few years). Recently a terrorist blew himself up while cooking TATP (sometimes it's also teenagers who found the recipe online).
Sounds like someone hasn't heard of fractional reserve nuclear deterrence contracts.
Our contract was pretty standard, and it simply gave us an option to call in a nuclear strike on anyone who used nuclear weapons against us, and who didn’t provide full compensation. Anyone who nuked us – even accidentally or incidentally – had to pay up or get nuked themselves. The beauty of this arrangement was that any number of clients – the more the better – could have a claim on a relatively small number of nukes, an effect rather like fractional reserve banking. It also meant that anyone who wanted to tempt the ISTWR with a first-use deal would have had to offer more than the income from all the deterrent clients, and that would have cost far more than just building or stealing their own nukes. So the chances of the system being used for nuclear aggression were minute. Above all, for the first time, nuclear deterrence was available to anyone willing to pay for it, and the cost was reasonable enough for every homeland to have one.
This one is especially retarded because 99%+ of the human population would have to die before this works. Accompanied with an immediate reversal of all the ecological damage humans have done since the dawn of civilization. Not to mention that we'd probably reintroduce agriculture after a few generations and start the whole process again anyway.
I asked John Zerzan what would stop his perfectly egalitarian Hunter gatherer from going beans and starting the whole thing over and all he really could mumble out was "they uhh wouldn't want to". If you ever get to see a guy like that talk do it because it brings the weirdos out of the woodwork. I saw a big fat nerd asking Zerzan about techno anarchy or some shit, some long haired weirdo was saying the bees were leaving voluntarily, and of course there were the libritarians.
Why are so many ideologues so dogmatic that they can't compromise with common sense? I'd probably lean a lot closer to libertarian if it wasn't associated with idiots who would allow joe shmoe and Bank of America a nuclear football because the they think it would infringe on freedoms to ban it.
A private citizen's weapon is for self-defense, not to declare war on neighbors and towns. I don't want to die on the Domino's-sponsored battlefield that was once my hometown. Banning missiles is common sense, not a failure of Libetarianism.
Normal libertarian here. Fully agree with you. There's no philosophy, no matter how pure, that can't be brought down by extremist idiots trying to be "better" at it.
Why are so many ideologues so dogmatic that they can't compromise with common sense?
Signaling is a concept from economics and sociobiology in which a people sometimes take actions not because they are especially interested in the results of those actions, but instead to show what kind of a person they are.
A classic example would be a rich man who buys a Ferrari not because he needs to go especially fast, but rather to demonstrate to other people how rich he is. The rich man may not consciously realize this is what he's doing - he may talk about things like the “smooth ride" and the “aerodynamic body" - but unconsciously he's driven by a signaling motivation: offer him a $20,000 Chinese-built car with an equally smooth ride and he won't be remotely interested.
When signaling, the more expensive and useless the item is, the more effective it is as a signal. Although eyeglasses are expensive, they're a poor way to signal wealth because they're very useful; a person might get them not because ey is very rich but because ey really needs glasses. On the other hand, a large diamond is an excellent signal; no one needs a large diamond, so anybody who gets one anyway must have money to burn.
Certain answers to moral dilemmas can also send signals. For example, a Catholic man who opposes the use of condoms demonstrates to others (and to himself!) how faithful and pious a Catholic he is, thus gaining social credibility. Like the diamond example, this signaling is more effective if it decides upon something otherwise useless. If the Catholic had merely chosen not to murder, then even though this is in accord with Catholic doctrine, it would make a poor signal because he might be doing it for other good reasons besides being Catholic - just as he might buy eyeglasses for reasons beside being rich. It is precisely because opposing condoms is such a horrendous decision that it makes such a good signal.
But in the more general case, people can use moral decisions to signal how moral they are. In this case, they choose a disastrous decision based on some moral principle. The more suffering and destruction they support, and the more obscure a principle it is, the more obviously it shows their commitment to following their moral principles absolutely. For example, Immanuel Kant claims that if an axe murderer asks you where your best friend is, obviously intending to murder her when he finds her, you should tell the axe murderer the full truth, because lying is wrong. This is effective at showing how moral a person you are - no one would ever doubt your commitment to honesty after that - but it's sure not a very good result for your friend.
Maybe live your life in such a way that you don't piss off your neighbors to the point where they want to send several thousand dollars worth of munitions at your house
Why are so many ideologues so dogmatic that they can't compromise with common sense?
Because compromise usually makes you a hypocrite. The same argument against private ownership of small arms works generally against private ownership of larger arms. So in order to argue for one you have to defend the other or else be called out as a hypocrite. Same thing goes for most ideologies tbh, utilitarianism leads to tyranny liberalism leads to anarchy. The only way to lead a good society seems to be some level of reasoned hypocrisy.
/u/38SSM you're exactly the type of weirdo who would threaten neighbors with a SAM for a barking dog. You're also the exact type of idiot to improperly maintain a missile and blow yourself and 3 other houses up because you didn't like the gubbmint regulations on safe storage and handling.
If the founding fathers knew what you retards were saying about weapons possession they'd personally beat ya'll to within an inch of your lives.
The materials will always be there. Google tannerite. It's a binary explosive which can be set off with a centerfire bullet. I've used them before. Two ingredients. Ammonium nitrate and aluminum powder. It's literally easier than baking cookies. Nothing badass about pouring two ingredients together and then shaking for a few seconds.
u/38SSM, I recommend that you buy some aluminum powder online. Life will be interesting with your name on the watch lists. And have you ever tried turning it into powder? Really hard for us mortals. Filing aluminum is rough.
Of course, a superhero with your unique powers can probably turn normal aluminum into aluminum powder by clenching it between their butt cheeks. You seem like the type.
I mean the answer is yes. Private citizens owned artillery and warships during the revolution therefore owning a aircraft carrier should be legal if you can afford it and staff it and arm it and get the paperwork done
Do you want someone to be able to steal a missile launcher from a closet . Let's assume nobody will be given money by a terrorist network to buy one. Imagine columbine with c4 missile launchers and machine guns
They use guns taken from family members who legally have them normally after killing the owner.
Destructive devices (grenade, rockets, artillery guns) are already legal with a tax stamp. A reasonable restriction would be on the storage of rockets but still their lawful ownership
Yea hope they restrict where the put their grenades. And it's not easy to get approved for grenades nd grenade launchers. Rocket launchers are not legal. And this is all a good thing
Yea sure it wasn't that Russia wanted access to non freezing waters for their navy. I'm sure there is an equal explanation for the Russian aggression in the other countries around it. It's dad that you'll defend despotism to fit your dumb narrative
Life pro tip don't hold strategic areas next to a despotic oligarchy that actually oppresses their populace. Because they'll make up a reason to invade you. You are incredible unread on this subject.
They overthrew a legitimately elected albeit corrupt premier only a few months prior to New elections and instituted an unlawful govt over the whole of the nation. The east did not consent to the coup.
If the invader wills it then the invasion is justified
They overthrew a corrupt unpopular person trying to size more power to ally with the aggressive state next to them and put in the previous constitution and held and election a few months later get your facts together
See this fun thing, all those people upset about him could have gone to the polls and voted to change they didn't and thus broke the social compact with the othe rhalf of the ocuntrhy.
Lol you've sorta gone off on a talent haven't you. Dead airbus of only civilians shot down aside. You obviously don't care about people getting killed when it coulda been prevented. You just care about having toys. No matter the consequences. Sorta like a child
Yes and letting people have military weapons will totally help keep the death toll down. Oh wait you don't care about that. Your just a child that wants toys
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1 IAintThatGuy 2017-07-23
Those faggots circlejerking about missiles who don't know how easy it is to cook poison in your kitchen, or cultivate a few harmful bacteria and spread them against a whole population.
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-07-23
Yeah, we live in the age of bio-weapons, just use those
1 IAintThatGuy 2017-07-23
Yeah but to weaponize it you need to break it into small particles (you usually need lab quality grinders for that, where you use liquid nitrogen to freeze it first so it fragments to the optimal size).
I was more thinking of Legionella. That shit is lethal, and has flu like symptoms the first days (so if it's not an epidemic the first person to get it usually dies because doctors don't catch it in time). Put it in someone's pipes, or ventilation system, it'll multiply nicely and every cup of water, warm shower, or even condensation from AC will put them closer to death.
Ricin is a poison, with the same advantages : when doctors notice it's not the flu, it's usually too late. Can be cooked in a simple pan, but the trick is not to poison yourself in the meantime. But if you obtain some without killing yourself, it's very effective (KGB used pellets coated in it to kill, victims would think they had a little rash, or were stung by a mosquito).
Homemade explosives are pretty effective too (acetone peroxide especially). The go-to explosive for terrorists on a budget. Then again the main problem is that it's very unstable, so fuckers who try to cook some might end up blowing themselves up. But it can be made with cleaning supplies sold everywhere, in a bathtub (was used in many terrorist bombings).
1 WikiTextBot 2017-07-23
Legionella
The genus Legionella is a pathogenic group of Gram-negative bacteria that includes the species L. pneumophila, causing legionellosis (all illnesses caused by Legionella) including a pneumonia-type illness called Legionnaires' disease and a mild flu-like illness called Pontiac fever.
Legionella may be visualized with a silver stain or cultured in cysteine-containing media such as buffered charcoal yeast extract agar. It is common in many environments, including soil and aquatic systems, with at least 50 species and 70 serogroups identified. The bacterium, however, is not transmissible from person to person: furthermore, most people exposed to the bacteria do not become ill.
Ricin
Ricin ( RYE-sin) is a highly toxic, naturally occurring lectin (a carbohydrate-binding protein) produced in the seeds of the castor oil plant, Ricinus communis. A dose of purified ricin powder the size of a few grains of table salt can kill an adult human. The median lethal dose (LD50) of ricin is around 22 micrograms per kilogram of body weight if the exposure is from injection or inhalation (1.78 milligram for an average adult). Oral exposure to ricin is far less toxic as some of the poison is inactivated in the stomach.
Acetone peroxide
Acetone peroxide is an organic peroxide and a primary high explosive. It is produced by the oxidation of acetone to yield a mixture of linear monomer and cyclic dimer, trimer, and tetramer forms. The trimer is known as triacetone triperoxide (TATP) or tri-cyclic acetone peroxide (TCAP). Acetone peroxide takes the form of a white crystalline powder with a distinctive bleach-like odor and can explode if subjected to heat, friction, or shock.
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1 Ultrashitpost 2017-07-23
If you want to go full on whacko all-out, you can try to infect someone with rabies. They'd probably won't notice until they start showing symptoms, and by then, it's already too late to save them.
You can even release rabies-infected bats in true villain style.
1 IAintThatGuy 2017-07-23
That would be awesome. Even if it didn't work at all, it would still cause a panic because you know the news would cover nothing but that for weeks, and people would fear it everywhere.
1 XLauncher 2017-07-23
I really hope you're on a list.
1 IAintThatGuy 2017-07-23
Technically I guess I am. If only because there's another illegal aspect of "homebrewed" chemistry I didn't go into which is about making drugs. If you've ever had a job where you even had to buy and use simple harmless chemicals, a lot of stuff has to be registered with our equivalent of the DEA because they simply could be drug precusors (or at least very useful to a dealer).
So some stuff can only be bought in limited quantities (per business), and I'm willing to bet they look into the names of who owns and works in those businesses (just so the same guy doesn't create 5 LLCs, or has friends create them, and uses them to buy lots of restricted chemicals).
The rest of what I suggested can be found on wikipedia (even on web 1.0 16 years ago those recipes were floating around). But smart people don't fuck with that because there's a huge risk of killing yourself. If you make poisons (even if you somehow manage to not kill yourself/your family/your pets) you might disperse noxious fumes in the central air of your building (and make the neighbors sick).
With explosives, you simply die (it happens once every few years). Recently a terrorist blew himself up while cooking TATP (sometimes it's also teenagers who found the recipe online).
And then there's assholes on 4chan who put out fake recipes, but with one step changed so that you blow yourself up. Kind of like those dangerous life hacks.
1 MRB2012 2017-07-23
The British Army called this "own goal."
1 sex_tourism 2017-07-23
recreational weaponized anthrax
1 OccasionallyClueless 2017-07-23
Another issue solved by the free market. Is there nothing it can't fix?!
1 sex_tourism 2017-07-23
Surely free market will also fix all negative aspects of nuclear weapons once there is enough market and customer need to do so.
1 ironicshitpostr 2017-07-23
Sounds like someone hasn't heard of fractional reserve nuclear deterrence contracts.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2017-07-23
Things they don't know about:
1 aggressiveshitpost 2017-07-23
But what if someone violates the NAP by parking his car a few inches into my perceived domain?
FUCK HIS SHIT UP, DETERRENT MY ASS
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
You made me cackle with that. Fucking good job lol
1 nomad1c 2017-07-23
cawg
1 seaguy69 2017-07-23
Im dying.
1 darth_stroyer 2017-07-23
The three things I like
"""Consenting""" child prostitutes
Reccreationaltm McNukestm for self defense
Meth handed out like free samples
Don't step on me
1 htmlcoderexe 2017-07-23
Where should one post this (as a pasta) where it will be 100% taken seriously?
1 Parkourwalrus 2017-07-23
/r/Anarcho_Capitalism or /r/physicalremoval think that is nowhere near far enough.
1 pizzashill 2017-07-23
Libertarianism is easily the most retarded political ideology on the planet.
1 zzzzz94 2017-07-23
I can one up you. Anarcho-primitivism
1 pizzashill 2017-07-23
I feel like we've had this discussion before and I agreed that was more retarded than libertarianism.
1 OccasionallyClueless 2017-07-23
This one is especially retarded because 99%+ of the human population would have to die before this works. Accompanied with an immediate reversal of all the ecological damage humans have done since the dawn of civilization. Not to mention that we'd probably reintroduce agriculture after a few generations and start the whole process again anyway.
1 BGumbel 2017-07-23
I asked John Zerzan what would stop his perfectly egalitarian Hunter gatherer from going beans and starting the whole thing over and all he really could mumble out was "they uhh wouldn't want to". If you ever get to see a guy like that talk do it because it brings the weirdos out of the woodwork. I saw a big fat nerd asking Zerzan about techno anarchy or some shit, some long haired weirdo was saying the bees were leaving voluntarily, and of course there were the libritarians.
1 Vectoor 2017-07-23
At that point why not just join the voluntary extinction movement?
1 ironicshitpostr 2017-07-23
Who would win?
1 ahbslldud 2017-07-23
anprims are my absolute favorite because you just cant beat that kind of pants-on-head retardation
1 OccasionallyClueless 2017-07-23
Why are so many ideologues so dogmatic that they can't compromise with common sense? I'd probably lean a lot closer to libertarian if it wasn't associated with idiots who would allow joe shmoe and Bank of America a nuclear football because the they think it would infringe on freedoms to ban it.
A private citizen's weapon is for self-defense, not to declare war on neighbors and towns. I don't want to die on the Domino's-sponsored battlefield that was once my hometown. Banning missiles is common sense, not a failure of Libetarianism.
1 nomad1c 2017-07-23
ideological purity or bust tbh
1 wolfdreams01 2017-07-23
Normal libertarian here. Fully agree with you. There's no philosophy, no matter how pure, that can't be brought down by extremist idiots trying to be "better" at it.
1 nanonan 2017-07-23
Agreed. Missiles are lame, getting up close and personal with a flamethrower is where it's at.
1 bjt23 2017-07-23
Which are legal everywhere but commiefornia and yet you never hear of flamethrower attacks. http://www.online-paralegal-programs.com/what-states-are-flamethrowers-legal-in/
1 nanonan 2017-07-23
So that's why California is so looney, nobody is living under the threat of their libertarian neigbours torch.
1 StingAuer 2017-07-23
flamethrowers are pretty hard to sneak into a school.
1 bjt23 2017-07-23
I'm sure missiles would be too. Neither are very practical weapons for terrorizing civilians.
1 OccasionallyClueless 2017-07-23
You have to sneak the missile in very fast and from above.
1 ragnathorn 2017-07-23
SOUTH PARK NEUTRALITY ALERT
1 PineappleExpress98 2017-07-23
Made sure to report such a disgusting comment.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-07-23
1 OccasionallyClueless 2017-07-23
Immanuel Kant sounds like a retard. I definitetly don't want to be friends with him.
1 Deity_Of_Darkness 2017-07-23
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-07-23
-Friedrich Nietzsche on drinking his own piss
1 Deity_Of_Darkness 2017-07-23
That sounds more like Clint Eastwood.
1 Whatafuxup 2017-07-23
the ideology you're looking for is called Constitutionalism
its like libertarians but without the ancap edge
1 ItsSugar 2017-07-23
THOSE SANDY HOOK KIDS HAD IT COMING
1 aqouta 2017-07-23
Because compromise usually makes you a hypocrite. The same argument against private ownership of small arms works generally against private ownership of larger arms. So in order to argue for one you have to defend the other or else be called out as a hypocrite. Same thing goes for most ideologies tbh, utilitarianism leads to tyranny liberalism leads to anarchy. The only way to lead a good society seems to be some level of reasoned hypocrisy.
1 NewStateof 2017-07-23
Because compromise on one thing and you'll be pushed to give up x y and Z.
Dying on the hill ten miles beyond reason is preferable than allowing any push towards the more reasonable centers.
People should be allowed to wage war on their state to address grievances and problems
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-07-23
/u/38SSM you're exactly the type of weirdo who would threaten neighbors with a SAM for a barking dog. You're also the exact type of idiot to improperly maintain a missile and blow yourself and 3 other houses up because you didn't like the gubbmint regulations on safe storage and handling.
If the founding fathers knew what you retards were saying about weapons possession they'd personally beat ya'll to within an inch of your lives.
1 bjt23 2017-07-23
What kind of aircraft do his neighbors have?
1 Automaticus 2017-07-23
Good one.
1 64m3r 2017-07-23
Founding fathers let people can cannons though.
1 wolfdreams01 2017-07-23
u/38SSM, I recommend that you buy some aluminum powder online. Life will be interesting with your name on the watch lists. And have you ever tried turning it into powder? Really hard for us mortals. Filing aluminum is rough.
Of course, a superhero with your unique powers can probably turn normal aluminum into aluminum powder by clenching it between their butt cheeks. You seem like the type.
1 buartha 2017-07-23
The thought of the average /r/libertarian member having access to a butterknife is a scary enough prospect for me
1 kjmiller7 2017-07-23
Leave it to lolbertarians to always, always behave like autistic manchildren about every issue
1 excitebyke 2017-07-23
1 MooseHeckler 2017-07-23
Yes, then I can deal with slow drivers.
1 RIOTS_R_US 2017-07-23
Nothing is wrong with giving everyone a SAM missile. Nothing
1 Ylajali_2002 2017-07-23
Q: if my neighbor farts and a single particle of that fart ends up in my airspace, is that a violation of the NAP?
1 oshnyve 2017-07-23
Yes, and as an American it is your right and in fact your duty to blow that sucker's house straight to hell
1 NewStateof 2017-07-23
I mean the answer is yes. Private citizens owned artillery and warships during the revolution therefore owning a aircraft carrier should be legal if you can afford it and staff it and arm it and get the paperwork done
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
Do you want someone to be able to steal a missile launcher from a closet . Let's assume nobody will be given money by a terrorist network to buy one. Imagine columbine with c4 missile launchers and machine guns
1 NewStateof 2017-07-23
Nice Strawman.
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
Honest question. Because that's a possibility here. Not a strawman. Most school shooters use stolen guns. Imagine if they could steal those things?
1 NewStateof 2017-07-23
They use guns taken from family members who legally have them normally after killing the owner.
Destructive devices (grenade, rockets, artillery guns) are already legal with a tax stamp. A reasonable restriction would be on the storage of rockets but still their lawful ownership
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
Yea hope they restrict where the put their grenades. And it's not easy to get approved for grenades nd grenade launchers. Rocket launchers are not legal. And this is all a good thing
1 NewStateof 2017-07-23
No, it's not a real huge concern. Anti air weapons should be more dispersed into the population
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
Yea because that worked so well into the Ukraine.
1 NewStateof 2017-07-23
Imagine if the rebels had no anti air capabilities they'd have been pounded in to the dirt already
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
Yea it's like untrained Assholes shouldn't have military hardware huh
1 NewStateof 2017-07-23
No, all govts should fear stepping on the jack of a people.
The Ukrainian Civil War was sparked by western backed rebels in Kiev thought to dominate the Russian ethnic states but they stepped on the jack.
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
Yea sure it wasn't that Russia wanted access to non freezing waters for their navy. I'm sure there is an equal explanation for the Russian aggression in the other countries around it. It's dad that you'll defend despotism to fit your dumb narrative
1 NewStateof 2017-07-23
Lpt don't abuse ethnic minority groups if large ethnic brothers sit next door
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
Life pro tip don't hold strategic areas next to a despotic oligarchy that actually oppresses their populace. Because they'll make up a reason to invade you. You are incredible unread on this subject.
1 NewStateof 2017-07-23
Also good, also if your strong enough might makes right
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
The Ukrainians diddnt do anything to be invaded by a foreign power idjit. Only brainwashed Russian statists think that. Get your shit in order
1 NewStateof 2017-07-23
They overthrew a legitimately elected albeit corrupt premier only a few months prior to New elections and instituted an unlawful govt over the whole of the nation. The east did not consent to the coup.
If the invader wills it then the invasion is justified
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
They overthrew a corrupt unpopular person trying to size more power to ally with the aggressive state next to them and put in the previous constitution and held and election a few months later get your facts together
1 NewStateof 2017-07-23
Elections are the system to replace someone you don't like not a coup.
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
Why have elections then? You really are an idiot
1 NewStateof 2017-07-23
See this fun thing, all those people upset about him could have gone to the polls and voted to change they didn't and thus broke the social compact with the othe rhalf of the ocuntrhy.
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
Except he was corrupt and influencing the election as was Russia. Maybe you should read about it
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
And invaders allways will invasion you fucking idiot. That's why they invade
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
Defending a force that has killed potentially thousands of civilians for a oppressive government. You aren't really a libertarian. Your a hack fraud
1 NewStateof 2017-07-23
Muh dead civilians.
It's a war not a bake sale
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
Lol you've sorta gone off on a talent haven't you. Dead airbus of only civilians shot down aside. You obviously don't care about people getting killed when it coulda been prevented. You just care about having toys. No matter the consequences. Sorta like a child
1 NewStateof 2017-07-23
Wars are bloody tend to kill people friend that's what war is.
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
Yes and letting people have military weapons will totally help keep the death toll down. Oh wait you don't care about that. Your just a child that wants toys
1 NewStateof 2017-07-23
There's nothing about keeping death tolls down that's something you made up.
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
Yea there is the entire point of this conversation. People not being able buy military grade weaponry. You complete idiot
1 NewStateof 2017-07-23
No it's not.
People should be allowed to own the rockets regardless of the death toll
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
Why can't I own nukes then
1 johnthekahn 2017-07-23
I should be able to own a orbital Lazer that can destroy whatever I want. Because freedom
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