/u/SpaceCommunist, you are massive hypocrite and should keep yourself safe if you can't apply your own principles towards Islam towards policeman as well.
it's just a religion like anything else. i dunno if anyone has a particular love for it more than some other sjw religion like neo-paganism or whatever. i think you're confusing "tolerance for a religion and zero tolerance for racism" for "unilateral love."
i wasnt calling you racist. i guess its like most leftists assume people making blanket statements/anything vaguely negative about a religion that's been coded into a particular ethnicity are just demonic mayoskins or whatever. for whatever reason a lot of people are under the assumption that "islam is inherently Chill AF but isis makes it problematic sometimes!!!" or something. that being said and of course you're going to have terrible things in it and there's going to be people who used to be muslim who hate it because it's just like any other religion.
attacks on abortion clinics in the us weren't perpetuated by Islamic militants, tho. the difference is that the militants got funded by foreign powers, and now they have the ability to go and murder people for trying to go to school or wear pants or whatever. if you had that sort of tinkering happen in the US you'd get the same result but with Christianity instead of Islam. im not a big fan of religion in general because it breeds extremism generally and I'm sorry your experience was shit garbage but I think to say that one religion is inherently evil/worse is just blowing off all the other stupid evil shit that others have done
attacks on abortion clinics in the us weren't perpetuated by Islamic militants, tho.
So you've got Christian millitants who have killed like what, 20 people? Compare that to Islamic terrorism and you'll see that the two are magnitudes apart. You can't even go a week without islamic terrorists racking up a similar body count. You have plenty of Christian fundamentalists, yet the violence is very limited.
I'll never understand the unilateral hate of the far right for islam. Is it a religious thing?
I think far-leftys understand that 'islam' is not a homogenous group, but instead a community of billions of people that are all individuals.
Do you feel like it is possible to love your muslim neighbors, and at the same time condemn violent radical Islam? That's the basic idea on the far left.
No, since i'm an apostate and Islam dictates i should be executed for that.
I think far-leftys understand that 'islam' is not a homogenous group, but instead a community of billions of people that are all individuals.
It's only one billion, and 90% of that billion adhere to Sunni Islam. Although there's disagreement between the four major Sunni schools on certain topics, they're in agreement on a lot of things. Such as the death penalty for apostasy...
The far left shouldn't give a damn about Islam any more than they give a damn about Christianity. Yet they're more than willing to criticize Christians, and are remarkably quiet on the topic of Islam.
Execution of apostates is not as widely supported as you claim. Check this out: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/, ctrl + f 'apostate' to find the chart. This data is already selecting for Muslims who want sharia, so a small percentage of a radical population supports it. The support outside of poor, poorly educated conservative countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, and Malaysia is tiny, even among muslims that support Sharia.
There is no consensus on apostasy in Islam.
Yet they're more than willing to criticize Christians, and are remarkably quiet on the topic of Islam.
Yea, this is totally just your bubble / confirmation bias. I hear the left condemning radical islam all the time, every single day. I'm not sure how you can even support that statement without anecdotal evidence.
In the same way that you, as an apostate to Islam, are clear and open with your dislike of Islam, millennials by and large are apostates of their parent's religion, which is very likely to be christianity. That makes them willing to speak out. Christianity has had a tangible negative impact on their lives while Islam has not.
I'm aware of the PEW polls and they're still shockingly high. The only exception seems to be the former commie countries, back when the commies actually cared about atheism. Support in the ME and South Asia is ridiculously high
Even if the death penalty isn't supported, you're still not selecting for things like violence to prevent apostacy, such as expulsion and being cut off from your family.
There is no consensus on apostasy in Islam.
Maybe not among laymen, but there sure as shit is consensus on it among the clergy. It's not difficult either, because there are explicit hadith that command the death penalty, which leaves little room for doubt.
Yea, this is totally just your bubble / confirmation bias. I hear the left condemning radical islam all the time, every single day. I'm not sure how you can even support that statement without anecdotal evidence.
In the same way that you, as an apostate to Islam, are clear and open with your dislike of Islam, millennials by and large are apostates of their parent's religion, which is very likely to be christianity. That makes them willing to speak out. Christianity has had a tangible negative impact on their lives while Islam has not.
I've yet to see a millennial who had to fear for his life due to his apostasy from Christianit. And i don't say that as a "we suffer more than you" statement, but the average issues you'll see on /r/exmuslim (FGM, death threats, being disowned) are far more worse, especially for those who don't live in the West.
They are polling muslims that want Sharia law, which I think adds important context to the numbers. Honestly in my opinion anyone wishing the death of another person for any reason is pretty disgusting.
I see it often enough that it worries me, and a lot of people on /r/exmuslim seem to agree. We had a good example of a condescending cunt the other day.
Yea... like I said, anecdotes. It's important to remember that your experience is not universal or representative of the total picture. You've clearly suffered at the hands of Islam, and that sucks, I hope you are well now.
They are polling muslims that want Sharia law, which I think adds important context to the numbers. Honestly in my opinion anyone wishing the death of another person for any reason is pretty disgusting, so I would agree that these numbers are shocking, but they definitely demonstrate a lack of consensus.
The desire for Shariah polls between 70% to 90% in North African and Middle-Eastern countries, so that doesn't mitigate much. More importantly, from my personal experience, many Muslims may not openly agree with things like terrorism or punishment for apostasy, but will nonetheleess be careful in not condemning these practices too harshly, similar to the bystander effect.
Yea... like I said, anecdotes.
No one has done any research into it, so we've got little besides that. And given how most of the ex-muslim community feels the same, i'd say we've got reason to believe in a pattern.
Christianity has had a tangible negative impact on their lives while Islam has not.
Are you old enough to remember what it was like going through airport "security" before 9/11? Used to be a nice stroll to your departure gate. Now you have to have your whole life scanned and if you refuse they make you strip down to your skivvys while TSA officer of the month finger blasts your B hole with a nitrile glove on and no lube. Guess whos fault that is?
Alright, ignoring the wild hyperbole of how the experience goes (don't get me wrong I fuckin hate the TSA but they let me keep my clothes on and don't rape me), it's a stretch to blame that on ALL OF ISLAM. Maybe Al Queda, but that logic is stupid: TSA ramped up because of 9/11 -> Al Queda Did 9/11 because of American aggression in the middle east. And the snek eats it's own tail again and again over and over. We cannot control terrorism but we can control our own reactions to it, one of which is bad policy re: airports.
it's a stretch to blame that on ALL OF ISLAM. Maybe Al Queda, but that logic is stupid:
First of all fuck you, my logic is impeccable and not at all stupid. Now that we got that out of the way let us continue.
TSA ramped up because of 9/11 -> Al Queda Did 9/11 because of American aggression in the middle east.
What american aggression? Helping Bin Laden and his merry band of troglodytes wage jihad against the commies in Afghanistan in the late 80s? Not what you were talking about? You must be referring to that whole business with Kuwait and Iraq then. The one were Sadams bitch ass couldnt pay his oil bills to the Kuwaiti monarchy so he decides to invade and occupy Kuwait. Saudi Arabia starts freaking out thinking that Saddam is gonna try to go take their precious oil fields next so he needs to beef up security. Saudi Arabia's favorite son Bin Laden gets butt hurt when the house of Saud prefers to use American forces as protection and not his mujahideen on the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia. After a series of failed negotiations and the international condemnation of the occupation of Kuwait, a UN backed coalition force goes into Kuwait to liberate it from Iraqi occupation. Is this the american aggression you speak of that caused the radical Islamists also known as Al Qaeda to commit 9/11? You might also be referring to the horrible american aggression of being allies with Israel. The imperialist measures of trying to keep peace in Jerusalem between the Jews and Muslims? Seems perfectly reasonable to call for the death and expulsion of all westerners and Jews for the high crime of simply being on what they considered "Islamic" land dont you think?
TSA rapage -> Al Qaeda tries to fly jets->embassy bombings-> first world trade center bombing->start issuing fatwas calling for the killing of all americans->mad because jews and westerners on "islamic" soil -> Gulf War -> Saudi scared of Iraq coming and taking sweet oil fields-> Saddam invades Kuwait->CIA(USA) getting along with jihadis swimmingly since they are providing weapons to fight evil commies.->
As you can see your timeline is lacking. And i will continue to blame Islam for this bullshit and not just Al Qaeda since the the book they use to justify the killing of all non believers and the establishment of a caliphate is none other than the Koran, the word of the prophet of Islam, Muhammad
I'm not sure why you feel that your logic is sound when you feel comfortable espousing the following construction: Evil Muslims use the Koran to justify evil acts -> all muslims must be evil. That is a huge, unsubstantiated jump to make. It's so obviously fallacious logic. Similar constructions are taught on the first day of Logic classes all over the world.
You seem to believe that every muslim believes 100% of what is written in the Qu'ran taken literally. We know that this is not true of other religions -- why do you feel comfortable making that generalization about Islam?
At the end of the day, you're still drawing a generalization based on religion. That's cut and dried bigotry. Sounds like you are OK with being a bigot, and I don't give a shit about you, so let's just leave it at that.
I'm not sure why you feel that your logic is sound when you feel comfortable espousing the following construction: Evil Muslims use the Koran to justify evil acts -> all muslims must be evil. That is a huge, unsubstantiated jump to make.
You are the only one making that jump since I never once have said "all muslims are evil". My issue is with the ideology of Islam and how it enables "evil" in our world today and not the Muslim individuals that practice it. You are the one that misconstrued my comments and made the jump from "Islam is a shitty religion and here is some hyperbolic proof that it has had a negative affect on western society lives" to "all muslims are evil". It is not my fault you cannot read very well and are prone to jumping to conclusions.
You seem to believe that every muslim believes 100% of what is written in the Qu'ran taken literally. We know that this is not true of other religions -- why do you feel comfortable making that generalization about Islam?
Here you go making assumptions again. Never once did I say anything close to that actually. You had asserted that it was bigoted to blame Islam for the interpretation that lead Al Qaeda and other Salafi Muslims to get their jihad on against western powers. All I did was point out that the justification used by these subsets of Islam to be OK with killing all the non believers and a trove of other shitty things they are into is indeed the Koran, the holy book central to the religion religion.
At the end of the day, you're still drawing a generalization based on religion. That's cut and dried bigotry. Sounds like you are OK with being a bigot, and I don't give a shit about you, so let's just leave it at that.
At the end of the day, you're still drawing a generalization about me because you cannot read very well. That's cut and dry stupidity. Sounds like you need to work on your reading comprehension skills, and I also don't give a flying fuck about you, so let's just leave it at that.
I appreciate you flexing your historical knowledge about the geopolitical situation in the middle east. You lost me when you used it to justify blanket bigotry.
I would appreciate if you lefties learned some fucking history and stopped throwing all the blame for the current shitshow in the ME on the "evil imperialistic white man" and realized that Islam as an ideology conflicts heavily with your kumbaya SJW version of a progressive society. You lost me when you started making assumptions about me and used it to call me a bigot.
realized that Islam as an ideology conflicts heavily with your kumbaya SJW version of a progressive society
Again, assuming Islam and it's participants are completely homogenous. You just don't seem to understand that that is a logical fallacy.
And taken literally, there is not a religion on earth that can coexist with a 'kumbaya SJW version of a progressive society'. All religious texts contain content that is considered morally wrong in 2017.
My issue is with the ideology of Islam and how it enables "evil" in our world today and not the Muslim individuals that practice it.
All I'm saying is to take this to it's logical end, and blame the evil individuals as opposed to the 'ideology of Islam' for the crimes of individual Muslims. Any nutjob can use any religious text as the inspiration and justification for an evil act.
But the same can't be said about the dumb, evil Trump voters, right?
Nah, that's an equally absurd and bad opinion. You should give them a chance -- just because someone voted for trump does not make them bad, racist, or evil. You really shouldn't make blanket generalizations like that.
Because even if far right is misygonistic, it's not THAT misygonistic.
And islam by nature is violent. Jihad is the only way to ensure salvation. Violent christians don't folow jesus's doctrine. Violent muslims do follow mohammad's.
I haven't this love extend much beyond "I refuse to shit on Islam"; like I don't see much leftists actually say that Islam is good.
But assuming there are people like that that aren't also Muslims I'm guessing it's just seeing Muslims as the victimized minority that everyone judges like the predators in zootopia
/u/-spacecommunist- what about the Police of Vice and Virtue? Are they bastards enforcing laws designed to benefit the male ruling class, or hapless put upon brown people in need of your protection?
There's a reason you can't generalize everyone in a religion but can generalize everyone in a job: because the religion is wide with vastly different branches, whereas the job is literally just one job.
They are at their core very different statements. A cop is by the nature of the job, violent -- ofc I'm not saying that every cop beats their wife, but that in the line of duty a cop will be required to use violence at some point. You cannot tell if a Muslim person will be violent without knowing more about that individual person.
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1 CultOfCuck 2017-07-26
/u/SpaceCommunist, you are massive hypocrite and should keep yourself safe if you can't apply your own principles towards Islam towards policeman as well.
1 lifesbrink 2017-07-26
Ahem, that's u/-spacecommunist-. Get the name of the tendies lover right!
1 CultOfCuck 2017-07-26
brb, K.M.S.ing myself
1 Neon_needles 2017-07-26
That is ok, take u/-spacecommunist- with you.
1 CultOfCuck 2017-07-26
Gladly!
1 officially_a_corgi 2017-07-26
1 CultOfCuck 2017-07-26
You can 'ing an acronym.
1 subpoutine 2017-07-26
ROFLing
1 Sesek3 2017-07-26
What if I don't like cops or muslims? Will any group accept me? :(
1 PoorLilMarco 2017-07-26
Judging from Snappy's quote, I don't think you're alone
1 marmott-e 2017-07-26
when being an edgy anarchist outside of your soapbox goes wrong
1 grep_var_log 2017-07-26
Is a Muslim cop a bastard? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
1 ksekll 2017-07-26
Yeah
1 tdvx 2017-07-26
😂
1 Krafty42 2017-07-26
This is so good.
1 Embers-Ghost-Squad 2017-07-26
wtf i love the bourgeoisie now
1 JoeFalchetto 2017-07-26
No police force in communist countries.
1 TrailerParkBride 2017-07-26
Mein Stasi ees a Friend of die Proletariat und die Revolution.
1 autistitron 2017-07-26
/u/-SpaceCommunist- why do you hate age-of-consent and anti-rape laws?
Answer in 14 words or less, please.
1 VultureV1 2017-07-26
1) Cops exist to oppress
2) Islam is a religion of peace
1 + 2 = #ACAB #NotAllMuslims
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-07-26
I'll never understand the unilateral love of the far left for islam. I'll never fucking get it.
1 purplepilled3 2017-07-26
enemy of my enemy is my friend. /r/Anarchism is loving the socialist revolutionary Kurds right now.
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-07-26
Yeah but this goes waaaaaaaay beyond just pragmatism.
1 ironicshitpostr 2017-07-26
Whenever you try to imagine what a leftist "thinks", you need only ask yourself one question: "Will this upset Daddy?"
If yes, the leftist is most likely for it.
1 Chang_Ba 2017-07-26
You mean, "Will this upset the imaginary 1950s TV daddy I secretly wish I had?"
Their actual fathers are humiliated pussies in baby blue boat shoes.
1 bleepis 2017-07-26
can confirm
1 Ihurtinside 2017-07-26
If there was ever a time to use the term "virtue-signaling," now is that time.
1 bleepis 2017-07-26
it's just a religion like anything else. i dunno if anyone has a particular love for it more than some other sjw religion like neo-paganism or whatever. i think you're confusing "tolerance for a religion and zero tolerance for racism" for "unilateral love."
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-07-26
No i mean that i'm a former Muslim and i hate getting called "racist" by liberals whenever i criticize Islam.
1 bleepis 2017-07-26
i wasnt calling you racist. i guess its like most leftists assume people making blanket statements/anything vaguely negative about a religion that's been coded into a particular ethnicity are just demonic mayoskins or whatever. for whatever reason a lot of people are under the assumption that "islam is inherently Chill AF but isis makes it problematic sometimes!!!" or something. that being said and of course you're going to have terrible things in it and there's going to be people who used to be muslim who hate it because it's just like any other religion.
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-07-26
No i wasn't accusing you, but that is my personal experience with a lot of leftists, and not just liberals.
It isn't "like any other religion". Just look at the terror statistics. Islam goes hand in hand with terror and oppression.
1 bleepis 2017-07-26
attacks on abortion clinics in the us weren't perpetuated by Islamic militants, tho. the difference is that the militants got funded by foreign powers, and now they have the ability to go and murder people for trying to go to school or wear pants or whatever. if you had that sort of tinkering happen in the US you'd get the same result but with Christianity instead of Islam. im not a big fan of religion in general because it breeds extremism generally and I'm sorry your experience was shit garbage but I think to say that one religion is inherently evil/worse is just blowing off all the other stupid evil shit that others have done
1 Neon_needles 2017-07-26
Nah, Islam is 1000x times more shit. Sorry to break it to you, fag lord.
1 bleepis 2017-07-26
i am a fag lord, yes. send me bussy
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-07-26
So you've got Christian millitants who have killed like what, 20 people? Compare that to Islamic terrorism and you'll see that the two are magnitudes apart. You can't even go a week without islamic terrorists racking up a similar body count. You have plenty of Christian fundamentalists, yet the violence is very limited.
1 bleepis 2017-07-26
reread what I wrote
1 bleasehalb 2017-07-26
Attacks on abortion clinics are not equivalent to pogroms and coordinated terrorist orgs conducting operations across the world.
Fundie Christians want to ban gay marriage, an extremist Muslim conducted the worst terrorist attack in America specifically to target gays.
1 bleepis 2017-07-26
Im personally excited for sharia law
1 bleasehalb 2017-07-26
Im holding out for the implementation of Shakira law.
1 bleasehalb 2017-07-26
Necroposting here but goddamn this is so dumb. Understanding of culture and history boiled down to tabula rasa carp.
1 bleepis 2017-07-26
you seem obsessed with me for some reason but okay
1 die_rattin 2017-07-26
I think you're confusing 'the progressives in my head' vs. the ones in real life
1 Gusfoo 2017-07-26
It gives them an excuse to hate the jews with a clear conscience.
1 Raven0520 2017-07-26
Anything anti-white, anti-west, or anti-imperialism is inherently good.
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-07-26
lol
1 Raven0520 2017-07-26
It's not imperialism if brown people are doing it.
1 keepittropical 2017-07-26
Ottomans always get a pass on reddit.
1 syntaut 2017-07-26
I'll never understand the unilateral hate of the far right for islam. Is it a religious thing?
I think far-leftys understand that 'islam' is not a homogenous group, but instead a community of billions of people that are all individuals.
Do you feel like it is possible to love your muslim neighbors, and at the same time condemn violent radical Islam? That's the basic idea on the far left.
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-07-26
No, since i'm an apostate and Islam dictates i should be executed for that.
It's only one billion, and 90% of that billion adhere to Sunni Islam. Although there's disagreement between the four major Sunni schools on certain topics, they're in agreement on a lot of things. Such as the death penalty for apostasy...
The far left shouldn't give a damn about Islam any more than they give a damn about Christianity. Yet they're more than willing to criticize Christians, and are remarkably quiet on the topic of Islam.
1 syntaut 2017-07-26
Execution of apostates is not as widely supported as you claim. Check this out: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/, ctrl + f 'apostate' to find the chart. This data is already selecting for Muslims who want sharia, so a small percentage of a radical population supports it. The support outside of poor, poorly educated conservative countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Egypt, and Malaysia is tiny, even among muslims that support Sharia.
There is no consensus on apostasy in Islam.
Yea, this is totally just your bubble / confirmation bias. I hear the left condemning radical islam all the time, every single day. I'm not sure how you can even support that statement without anecdotal evidence.
In the same way that you, as an apostate to Islam, are clear and open with your dislike of Islam, millennials by and large are apostates of their parent's religion, which is very likely to be christianity. That makes them willing to speak out. Christianity has had a tangible negative impact on their lives while Islam has not.
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-07-26
I'm aware of the PEW polls and they're still shockingly high. The only exception seems to be the former commie countries, back when the commies actually cared about atheism. Support in the ME and South Asia is ridiculously high
Even if the death penalty isn't supported, you're still not selecting for things like violence to prevent apostacy, such as expulsion and being cut off from your family.
Maybe not among laymen, but there sure as shit is consensus on it among the clergy. It's not difficult either, because there are explicit hadith that command the death penalty, which leaves little room for doubt.
I see it often enough that it worries me, and a lot of people on /r/exmuslim seem to agree. We had a good example of a condescending cunt the other day.
I've yet to see a millennial who had to fear for his life due to his apostasy from Christianit. And i don't say that as a "we suffer more than you" statement, but the average issues you'll see on /r/exmuslim (FGM, death threats, being disowned) are far more worse, especially for those who don't live in the West.
1 syntaut 2017-07-26
They are polling muslims that want Sharia law, which I think adds important context to the numbers. Honestly in my opinion anyone wishing the death of another person for any reason is pretty disgusting.
Yea... like I said, anecdotes. It's important to remember that your experience is not universal or representative of the total picture. You've clearly suffered at the hands of Islam, and that sucks, I hope you are well now.
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-07-26
The desire for Shariah polls between 70% to 90% in North African and Middle-Eastern countries, so that doesn't mitigate much. More importantly, from my personal experience, many Muslims may not openly agree with things like terrorism or punishment for apostasy, but will nonetheleess be careful in not condemning these practices too harshly, similar to the bystander effect.
No one has done any research into it, so we've got little besides that. And given how most of the ex-muslim community feels the same, i'd say we've got reason to believe in a pattern.
1 keepittropical 2017-07-26
Are you old enough to remember what it was like going through airport "security" before 9/11? Used to be a nice stroll to your departure gate. Now you have to have your whole life scanned and if you refuse they make you strip down to your skivvys while TSA officer of the month finger blasts your B hole with a nitrile glove on and no lube. Guess whos fault that is?
1 syntaut 2017-07-26
Alright, ignoring the wild hyperbole of how the experience goes (don't get me wrong I fuckin hate the TSA but they let me keep my clothes on and don't rape me), it's a stretch to blame that on ALL OF ISLAM. Maybe Al Queda, but that logic is stupid: TSA ramped up because of 9/11 -> Al Queda Did 9/11 because of American aggression in the middle east. And the snek eats it's own tail again and again over and over. We cannot control terrorism but we can control our own reactions to it, one of which is bad policy re: airports.
1 keepittropical 2017-07-26
First of all fuck you, my logic is impeccable and not at all stupid. Now that we got that out of the way let us continue.
What american aggression? Helping Bin Laden and his merry band of troglodytes wage jihad against the commies in Afghanistan in the late 80s? Not what you were talking about? You must be referring to that whole business with Kuwait and Iraq then. The one were Sadams bitch ass couldnt pay his oil bills to the Kuwaiti monarchy so he decides to invade and occupy Kuwait. Saudi Arabia starts freaking out thinking that Saddam is gonna try to go take their precious oil fields next so he needs to beef up security. Saudi Arabia's favorite son Bin Laden gets butt hurt when the house of Saud prefers to use American forces as protection and not his mujahideen on the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia. After a series of failed negotiations and the international condemnation of the occupation of Kuwait, a UN backed coalition force goes into Kuwait to liberate it from Iraqi occupation. Is this the american aggression you speak of that caused the radical Islamists also known as Al Qaeda to commit 9/11? You might also be referring to the horrible american aggression of being allies with Israel. The imperialist measures of trying to keep peace in Jerusalem between the Jews and Muslims? Seems perfectly reasonable to call for the death and expulsion of all westerners and Jews for the high crime of simply being on what they considered "Islamic" land dont you think?
TSA rapage -> Al Qaeda tries to fly jets->embassy bombings-> first world trade center bombing->start issuing fatwas calling for the killing of all americans->mad because jews and westerners on "islamic" soil -> Gulf War -> Saudi scared of Iraq coming and taking sweet oil fields-> Saddam invades Kuwait->CIA(USA) getting along with jihadis swimmingly since they are providing weapons to fight evil commies.->
As you can see your timeline is lacking. And i will continue to blame Islam for this bullshit and not just Al Qaeda since the the book they use to justify the killing of all non believers and the establishment of a caliphate is none other than the Koran, the word of the prophet of Islam, Muhammad
1 syntaut 2017-07-26
Fuck you right back!
I'm not sure why you feel that your logic is sound when you feel comfortable espousing the following construction: Evil Muslims use the Koran to justify evil acts -> all muslims must be evil. That is a huge, unsubstantiated jump to make. It's so obviously fallacious logic. Similar constructions are taught on the first day of Logic classes all over the world.
You seem to believe that every muslim believes 100% of what is written in the Qu'ran taken literally. We know that this is not true of other religions -- why do you feel comfortable making that generalization about Islam?
At the end of the day, you're still drawing a generalization based on religion. That's cut and dried bigotry. Sounds like you are OK with being a bigot, and I don't give a shit about you, so let's just leave it at that.
1 keepittropical 2017-07-26
Thats the spirit ya jabroni!
You are the only one making that jump since I never once have said "all muslims are evil". My issue is with the ideology of Islam and how it enables "evil" in our world today and not the Muslim individuals that practice it. You are the one that misconstrued my comments and made the jump from "Islam is a shitty religion and here is some hyperbolic proof that it has had a negative affect on western society lives" to "all muslims are evil". It is not my fault you cannot read very well and are prone to jumping to conclusions.
Here you go making assumptions again. Never once did I say anything close to that actually. You had asserted that it was bigoted to blame Islam for the interpretation that lead Al Qaeda and other Salafi Muslims to get their jihad on against western powers. All I did was point out that the justification used by these subsets of Islam to be OK with killing all the non believers and a trove of other shitty things they are into is indeed the Koran, the holy book central to the religion religion.
At the end of the day, you're still drawing a generalization about me because you cannot read very well. That's cut and dry stupidity. Sounds like you need to work on your reading comprehension skills, and I also don't give a flying fuck about you, so let's just leave it at that.
I would appreciate if you lefties learned some fucking history and stopped throwing all the blame for the current shitshow in the ME on the "evil imperialistic white man" and realized that Islam as an ideology conflicts heavily with your kumbaya SJW version of a progressive society. You lost me when you started making assumptions about me and used it to call me a bigot.
1 syntaut 2017-07-26
Again, assuming Islam and it's participants are completely homogenous. You just don't seem to understand that that is a logical fallacy.
And taken literally, there is not a religion on earth that can coexist with a 'kumbaya SJW version of a progressive society'. All religious texts contain content that is considered morally wrong in 2017.
All I'm saying is to take this to it's logical end, and blame the evil individuals as opposed to the 'ideology of Islam' for the crimes of individual Muslims. Any nutjob can use any religious text as the inspiration and justification for an evil act.
1 ComedicPause 2017-07-26
But the same can't be said about the evil Trump voters, right?
1 syntaut 2017-07-26
Nah, that's an equally absurd and bad opinion. You should give them a chance -- just because someone voted for trump does not make them bad, racist, or evil. You really shouldn't make blanket generalizations like that.
1 grobobobo 2017-07-26
Because even if far right is misygonistic, it's not THAT misygonistic.
And islam by nature is violent. Jihad is the only way to ensure salvation. Violent christians don't folow jesus's doctrine. Violent muslims do follow mohammad's.
1 rockidol 2017-07-26
I haven't this love extend much beyond "I refuse to shit on Islam"; like I don't see much leftists actually say that Islam is good.
But assuming there are people like that that aren't also Muslims I'm guessing it's just seeing Muslims as the victimized minority that everyone judges like the predators in zootopia
1 FieryChickenSkeleton 2017-07-26
Both are cults.
1 Psycho_Robot 2017-07-26
/u/-spacecommunist- what about the Police of Vice and Virtue? Are they bastards enforcing laws designed to benefit the male ruling class, or hapless put upon brown people in need of your protection?
1 kjmiller7 2017-07-26
Is being a total retard a requirement for being a communist, or do retards just overwhelmingly tend to become communists?
1 satanismyhomeboy 2017-07-26
This is the age of retardation
1 JasonJewnova 2017-07-26
Communism is what happens when their single mothers drink too much tap water.
1 BannaHamHock 2017-07-26
Fluoride is good for the teeth!
1 JasonJewnova 2017-07-26
But bad for your estrogen levels
1 autistitron 2017-07-26
Being intelligent stops you from believing in flat-earth theory and also communism.
1 JewDrunk 2017-07-26
t.someone who has never held a real job.
1 lesboautisticweeabo 2017-07-26
/u/-SpaceCommunist-
You call yourself Spacecommunist because only in space can communism work. Because there's no life there.
1 syntaut 2017-07-26
They are at their core very different statements. A cop is by the nature of the job, violent -- ofc I'm not saying that every cop beats their wife, but that in the line of duty a cop will be required to use violence at some point. You cannot tell if a Muslim person will be violent without knowing more about that individual person.