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So, I learned two things from that thread:

a) there is only democrats and republicans and no country in the world has a different political party system ( why are you so triggerd by the word - centre?).

b) "diversity" only covers race, gender and religion in one particular case. Well the why nobody confronts chinese or indian film markets about lack of black/white or female characters/protagonists?

Star Trek Discovery appears to be a show intent on continuing and building upon that legacy of inclusion and representation including filling in some long glaring blindspots. I hope you can join us in exploring where this franchise has gone and where it will keep going. Have a nice day.

The promotional push for Discovery is making the rounds at the cons. I'm trying to figure out if there's an actual controversy or if the OP of that post is getting baited by trolls.

Not really.

CBS marketing are doing their jobs is saying whatever they think will sell the show.

There's a bit of baiting on twitter ("suck it manbabys we own your Star Trek now") and a few bloggers are reeeing about alt-right anime nazis.

There's a some low effort trolling, but even those places don't really give a shit.

99% of fans are just hoping it doesn't suck.

The drama is dryer than a Vulcan's snatch.

CBS marketing are doing their jobs is saying whatever they think will sell the show.

I could be wrong, but I haven't seen this from official promotions. I generally follow the happenings at the bigger cons and even though it's not my cup of tea, I've been exposed to a lot of the discussion about Discovery. The focus is on what timeline and what period within the timeline. Why do they seem to have more advanced technology in this past than they do in the future. I had to google "Star Trek Discovery controversy" to see what that post was responding to.

This isn't like Ghostbusters, where the main cast was addressing the haters/trolls on their press junket. I would hope that fiasco would have been a lesson that stirring up online culture wars isn't a good marketing strategy to generate interest from a general audience.

I'm too old to care about the hype train, so I've probably missed something.

Like you mentioned, fans seem care way more about time period and what the ship looks like. The "diversity controversy" seems to be almost entirely manufactured by a few bloggers and twitter addicts.

The drama is dryer than a Vulcan's snatch.

Also, not to quibble, but my understanding is that Vulcan snatch can become quite inflamed during Pon farr.

I think they see some people who are worried that the diversity will be hamfisted and started reeing about that, completely missing the fact that tons of other things were ruined by hamfisted diversity instead of just making good characters who happen to have those traits.

Why do they seem to have more advanced technology in this past than they do in the future.

This is my number one issue with the show.

Star Trek TOS has a very distinct aesthetic, which the original series movies (1 - 6) did a good job of adhering to. If this show is supposed to take place before TOS then shouldn't their technology, wardrobe, etc... adhere to a similar aesthetic? Or at least one as "primitive" as what was seen on TOS?

I understand that modern viewers expect a certain quality of special effect, etc... but this show looks like it takes place far into the future of the Star Trek Timeline, not before TOS.

I have the same problem with the latest Alien movies as well. They are supposed to take place before Alien. Why do they have more advanced equipment than what is seen in that movie?

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This is why I love Alien Isolation.

They literally designed the entire aesthetic on the original 70's movie. All of the technology looked and felt the same as that movie.

I think of they did that, it would look silly. A lot of the TOS was really low budget and seeped with 60s aesthetic. No need to remake that. Best to start with a clean sheet, when it comes to the looks.

Star Wars was seeped with 70s aesthetic, but fans would grow a moon-sized fit if they replaced those goofy buttons on Vader's suit with a cool blue touch screen in Rogue One.

Star Trek fans seem to be really embarrassed about the universe they're fans of.

Eh, the original star trek had a really shitty budget though.

hoping it doesn't suck.

It will.

gets pissed over being labeled an SJW refers to anyone with a conservative opinion as alt right

Yep, checks out.

Yep, checks out.

gets pissed over being labeled an SJW

refers to anyone with a conservative opinion as alt right

Yep, checks out.

How is it that in the 2010s people still don't get that Roddenberry was a bullshitter?

"In the first show, my wife, Majel Barrett, was cast as the second-in-command of the Enterprise. The network killed that. The network brass of the time could not handle a woman being second-in-command of a spaceship."

Actually his wife then was another woman. This is before he divorced her and hid away his assets so she couldn't get her share. Majel Barrett was just one of his mistresses. NBC didn't think it appropriate for one of the main characters to be screwing the showrunner, so they killed off that character. But he still gave guest roles to every woman he met who he wanted to fuck. That's your feminist icon.

It's too bad he wasn't alive in the internet era because the guy would have been a great generator of content for r/drama.

Gene Roddenberry was fucking three women at the same time his wife Eileen-Anita Rexroat, Nichelle Nichols (Uhura) and Majel Barrett (Deanna Troi mother). Captain Kirks sex life is based on Gene Roddenberry's.

Deanna Troi mother

Lwaxana Troi you god damn normie.

Probably got more pussy than every fan of his show combined

He would have made a great mod.

I'm guessing most of the fans now are from 90s Trek when they were fucking innundated with "Roddenberry the visionary" bullshit. They'll still tiptoe around the fact that TNG was shit until he kicked the bucket. And it's not like the actors are going to risk the sweet convention gigs they're still getting.

At least Shatner seems to be trying to set the record straight before he dies. If you haven't seen "Chaos on the Bridge" yet, I highly recommend it. If nothing else, it's interesting to see how everyone who ever met him agrees that Roddenberry's lawyer was the worst person who ever lived on this planet.

I don't even like star trek and I'm aware of this simple truth:

Voyager was produced for seven seasons, from 1995 to 2001, and is the first Star Trek TV series with a female captain, Kathryn Janeway (played by Kate Mulgrew), as the lead character.

And the ship piloted by a woman was the only one to get so lost it would take them 75 years to get home. Checkmate, everyone.

The idiot award in that thread goes to /u/smugliberaltears for this uninformed and iditotic tidbit:

conservatives want to fucking deport people for being of a different nationality or religion.

Here is what it would read if it wasn't fictitious:

conservatives want to fucking deport people for being of a different nationality or religion. in the United States illegally.

user reports:
1: Nazi
1: jesus christ shut the FUCK up

lol

conservatives want to fucking deport people for being of a different nationality or religion.

Also conveniently ignoring that most people of said religion have the same views as the nazis.

Oh yeah, and not to mention that /u/smugliberaltears is gay and that religion, the one of peace, executes gays. I think /u/smugliberaltears is probably mentally ill, it's the only explanation for his sheer stupidity.

the worst thing about this show is that its yet another prequel

not that there was anything wrong with prequels/enterprise (if you hate enterprise you need to legitimately kys you MUH NOT A REAL STAR TREK OPENING little shit), but i want to see what happens in the setting after the dominion war and remans gassing the senate and shit)

give us a proper post-ds9 series first and then make another prequel ffs

Dont forget about the lens flares (fuck you JJ) and Klingon now looks like Uruk Hai from LOTR. Also Enterprise is shit with or without that intro.

if ds9 was canceled before the dominion war like it almost was, it probably would have been remembered as the worst star trek series ever

thats basically what happened with enterprise, it was canceled just as the romulan war was coming up

shran was supposed to join the main cast too

ill never stop being butthurt about the cancellation

No the worst is still Voyager

Amen.

No the worst is still Voyager

I'm withholding judgement until I see Discovery.

I hated Voyager when it first aired but I watched a couple of episodes recently and it wasn't terrible. Maybe it got better with age?

The only way it will be worse if the new captain commits more war crimes than Janeway.

Why would starfleet and the federation give a shit about the delta quadrant. No warcrimes when it is outside their jurisdiction.

So it's not a crime if the Federation doesn't see it?

I dont think so.

Honestly Voyager could have been like Battlestar Galactica (reboot) years beforehand. Instead it was a cheap knock-off of TNG in the delta quadrant. It did get better near the end of the series before skipping all the interesting middle bits and getting home.

I'm just not sure why they didn't realize that heavy serialization would have done wonders for the show. Deep Space 9 serialized the dominion war to a much greater extent than any Trek beforehand, mostly because Gene Roddenberry was against serialization.

Heck, a lot of the cast of Voyager didn't even like working on the show - Robert Duncan McNeill, Garrett Wang, and Robert Beltran. Most of the characters made no sense and were so generic they may as well have been red shirts.

Calling it now, Discovery will be bland and boring. It will have hamfisted morals lectured to us, poorly done fight scenes, and will look like a CGI nightmare. At least TOS was had good stories while being cheap. This will be forgettable.

Plus don't you have to pay to see this shit?

It will have hamfisted morals lectured to us, poorly done fight scenes, and will look like a CGI nightmare.

So it's gonna be your standard star trek fare?

Fuck you I like Voyager

ok

Kill yourself

no u

I think you're forgetting the animated series.

I love the fact that the producers made Kate Mulgrew have 4 different hairstyles during the first season because they were trying to decide what the audience would like best. They ended with the almost the same hairstyle from the first episode. What a bunch of idiots. Voyager frustrates me because it is a good show with decent actors hidden behind bad writing.

Enterprise is amazing in season 3 and 4 up until the ending.

Enterprise could have been okay if it the writing team hadn't taken a bat to the head.

An actual line from the show: "Someday my people are going to come up with some sort of a doctrine, something that tells us what we can and can't do out here; should and shouldn't do. But until somebody tells me that they've drafted that... directive... I'm going to have to remind myself every day that we didn't come out here to play God."

i laughed at the "reed alert" line tbh

when it comes to bad writing, the worst offender was phlox & archer literally committing genocide (the single most disgusting """philosophical""" decision in star trek since the murder of tuvix)

oh shit, is the line youre quoting from that episode? those guys didnt have warp drive iirc

Yes, the quote came from that episode. Terrible episode.

Isn't that also the episode where they are pro-genocide.

The first or second or whatever show of Enterprise I saw a horrible scene where one of the enterprise crew was going to stop some sort of child abuse where the child was learning to breath a new atmosphere and had to be stopped from intervening. It was hamfisted and stupid at the same time. I couldn't watch anymore.

Whoever greenlit the opening song for Enterprise should have been hanged, buried, dug up, shot and set on fire.

But I'm rewatching that show at the moment, and I'm honestly liking it a lot better than the first time I saw it. It's got some genuinely great episodes and a pretty solid cast. It's the last unretconned Trek we're ever going to get.

That song grew on me.

Place your bets, is this SJWs REEEEEing about star trek/trekkies or is it trekkies REEEEEing about SJWs?

I haven't opened the link yet, so I'm gonna guess the latter.

It's the 99% of that sub that's the first REEEEing and circlejerking about the 1% of that sub that's the latter.

My inner Trekkie is REEEEEEing and I don't know why.

That shit load of text is very obvious and unnecessary.

Also Roddenberry was for diversity when it wasn't a cult, so he actually challenged people's opinion.

Now it's 2017 and it's challenging to say thay we should not hire trans black muslims only because it's good for diversity.

Also Roddenberry was for diversity when it wasn't a cult, so he actually challenged people's opinion.

He also didn't really try to jam it down everyone's throats. It was never the focal point of the show. It was just there in the background.

That's because you can't afford to jam it when people are generally not in favor of it. Just like now mra can't jam shit and just remind people about things like life expectancy gender gap.

SJWs tilting at windmills again? I think so.

That thread had everything! Including someone arguing that straight dudes wanting to date actual women is transphobic. How is that even revelant to Trek? Beats me! But well done to that comment for equating bigotry against interracial relationships with straight men not wanting to date someone with a male bussy.

Let's not forget how ingrained the gender roles were or the fact that Kirk sees heterosexual coupling as the logical norm. In "Spock's Brain" he is genuinely puzzled at the lack of an opposite sex (turns out they exist, just underground). He sees children as products of sexual intercourse ("The Apple"), and though he does also advocate for birth control ("The Mark of Gideon"), the "freedom"of sexual liberatuon is expected to come with procreation (again, "The Apple").

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I guess we're not allowed to know where babies come from anymore.

That's sexist.