I'm in the most Western religion. I pray to Clint Eastwood.
I think it's because his character in Gran Torino reminds me fondly of /u/squarefaces. They both start out hating asian/asian-hybrids but end up having sex with one.
Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers on the chain not in order that man shall continue to bear that chain without fantasy or consolation, but so that he shall throw off the chain and pluck the living flower.
So your source is a link to the Escapist forum, about some shit written up by noted aGG "a man in black", which is immediately and repeatedly refuted in the ensuing discussion?
Literally one guy tweeting bullshit and you blame Goomergators for everything.
It's not like Anita Sarkessian herself went to the UN and promoted a research paper that called Pokemon a "satanic panic" and said video games caused school shootings. Oh wait that's exactly what she did.
I like the part where they're all buttmad about how they can't get an audience to pay them to shitpost their political beliefs, but the people they oppose can.
Sam Harris was vehemently anti trump and Milo Yianopolous isn't even an atheist (he's a Roman Catholic). Also Harris is in no way a fan of or connected to Yianopolous
Milo Yiannopolis is the son of a Greek and a Jew born in England, I still can't understand why the parents decided to get him baptised Catholic. But he's obviously non-practicing
I remember when the left took as a virtue to not only criticise religion but ridicule it. Guess I only had that impression because the vast majority was just doing it to get back at their white christian parents.
Dude, he can't be a practicing catholic. Literally impossible to be a homosexual and a practicing catholic, look it up, or go ask any priest.
That's not how it works. You don't stop being Catholic from sin, even mortal. If that were the case then Catholics would be required to go through first communion and confirmation after every confession.
That person, /u/follow_your_leader, is literally an ignorant fuck. Milo ceases being Catholic the second he's excommunicated by the Church. Being gay or in any state of sin doesn't automatically cause that you retard.
Muslims don't go to hell for eternity, but only to get punished for their sins. So if you are a ME fag, you get killed, serve your time and if you are a Muslim you can go to the paradise and still get the 72 virgins.
So why botther throwing them off buildings? You'd think a religion that thinks all Muslims eventually get to paradise would be more chill than the religion that thinks you burn in hell for all eternity for misdeeds.
Holy fuck when I read this I thought you must have taken it out of context, even I found it hard to believe ghazi would say this (let along have it upvoted).
But nope, if anything it only gets worse in context and they even go for
He's probably not even gay. All gay people who aren't our pets must provide documents in triplicate and video evidence of them taking it up the bussy
Cause all gay people would love to follow a hateful cult like yours right, especially when you treat them like this, we literally cannot exist with contrary opinions to yours /u/follow_your_leader holy fuck you are a stupid sack of crap. Oh and if he's not gay then surely your arguement about him being Catholic falls to pieces.
Just going off my limited knowledge as a lapsed small-c catholic who's seriously like six different kinds of queer.
Let me guess /u/LuckyStampede, you are part of that fringe group known as females. You dye your hair dusty pink, so edge. You Listen to unknown bands like Rhianna and Taylor Swift. You as a woman likes video games, totally not the norm. You are a writer* who sits in starbucks bravely (*of blogs). And you're a Feministtm, that totally fringe rebel group that has no mainstream appeal whatsoever. Queertm - That vague nebulous descriptive term and one of an umbrella group that means nothing refering to an individual (other then when it's used as a pejorative shouted across the street).
For a "Queer" catholic, you don't seem bothered by the denial of someone elses religion or sexuality.
You say it's too early, but let's face it, regardless of the time, thinking is always hard for a Ghazier.
PS. The answer is One, it's a whole one layer of sarcasm that you cannot work out. Just multiple sarcastic statements of the same layer of Sarcasm. But that's probably just a self-defense mechanism to protect yourself from self-awareness as any Ghazier is trained to do. My assessment of your "queerness" was probably too on the mark.
TBF some actions, like having an abortion or desecrating the Eucharist, automatically excommunicate you from the Catholic Church. The term is Latae sententiae. You have to get disposition from a bishop or even the pope to be reinstated to the church. Gay sex, however... isn't one of these offenses.
It is possible to be homosexual and a practicing catholic.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Catholicism regards homosexual sex as a depraved act which subverts natural law. From the catechism:
These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
No gay person on Earth is a practising Catholic unless they are at the very least actively seeking to control their urges.
This is why so many atheists hate the section of the left people like you inhabit. You dilute and apologise for the true barbarity and intolerance of these doctrines because you don't dare to offend the ignorant and deluded who pretend it doesn't exist.
I am aware of how the Church views the act. The fact remains that there are people who profess the faith, who partake in communion (sinfully perhaps) and are members of the church who also engage in this kind of homosexual behaviour.
Sin does not preclude you from being a member of the body of Christ. Sin plagues every man from Adam and will continue to do so. The responsibility of a Catholic to aspire to be Christ-like is important but it is also important to recognize that man will sin. Adulterers, Pedophiles and Murderers are found aplenty in the church, why only exclude the homosexuals?
They are bad Catholics. But they are Catholics. Whether or not they choose to abide by a pledge of chastity is up to them. But they still practice to the extent that they can.
It's also kind of No True Scotsman-y. They say they are Catholics. They believe in the same precepts, with the exception of this one doctrine. They would recite the Nicene creed if asked to, in faith. What makes them less catholic than the rest of the sinners in the church?
Also, I'm an atheist. I used to believe. I agree that a lot of religion is barbaric. But what do you propose we tell gay people who believe in the religions they do? They've found a compromise of the religion that works for them. You understand that religions evolve and adapt to the cultures they conquer/spread to. Consider the Hebraic religion's transition from a Canaanite pagan religion, to a hennotheistic one, to a monotheistic one. There were moments during these periods where they were neither one nor the other.
In fact, early Christianity itself had many many divisions - and they all professed different faiths (Gnostics, Manichaeans to an extent, Arians, etc.). These were doctrinally different and yet fell under the banner of Christianity.
You have to acknowledge that there is a bit of ambiguity when trying to draw lines around belief because of the ambiguity of the nature of the beliefs of the people who believe them. I think as a general rule it is best to consider it in a descriptive manner, not prescriptive.
They are ignoring a fundamental tenent of Catholic practise espoused in the catechism - despite knowing full well of its existence. They are not practising the religion.
The responsibility of a Catholic to aspire to be Christ-like is important but it is also important to recognize that man will sin.
Yes, all men sin, but what defines a practising Catholic is the repentance and journey away from sin. If someone is not repenting, and is making zero effort to avoid mortal sin, they're not practising Catholicism.
It's also kind of No True Scotsman-y.
"They're not following the doctrine" isn't an ad hoc change of the definition of "practising Catholic" - it's the precise definition of someone who isn't a practising Catholic.
It's hilarious how many people seem to exist that can't wrap their heads around the idea that the "No true Scotsman" fallacy isn't just anybody saying that someone isn't really a thing.
You have to acknowledge that there is a bit of ambiguity when trying to draw lines around belief
If you're a Catholic there is no ambiguity. You follow the Vatican. You're saying they're still Catholic because the religious get to pick and choose, and ignoring the fact that Catholics absolutely explicitly do not get to fucking pick and choose.
I think as a general rule it is best to consider it in a descriptive manner
What do you call someone who considers themselves Catholic and thinks Jesus wasn't the son of God?
It was rhetorical. The point was to show that despite claiming to be "descriptive" not "prescriptive" they too wouldn't call someone a Catholic if they ignored the teachings enough.
I was waiting for a response from the person I was actually having a discussion with to explicitly make the point. So I didn't really fail, you just randomly inserted yourself into something ongoing and then bitched about it being incomplete.
You got a feeble Ghazistanian to tentatively agree with your euphoric little rant.
I don't see how that can be classified as anything but an utter and complete failure, not just of the "argument" you assumed you made, but also of your mental faculties and moral character.
But remember, redemption ist always possible and blessed are the meek. So hope springs eternal.
If you get your mentally deficient cousin, and nobody else, to rub your weenie by telling him it grants wishes, your "argument" might achieve its sole purpose.
Considering such a feat an achievement would still be a an intellectual and moral failure. Just saying.
I don't believe Sodomy is on the list of Latae sententiae. Therefore an active homosexual is not ipso facto excommunicated and thus is by definition still a Catholic.
Right wing ideologies include both magical thinking about the free market, and anti-science beliefs about climate change, evolution, and the validity of social sciences.
So the free market, and skepticism about the validity of social sciences is magical thinking? Wew lad.
Any field which needs to put "science" in the name is not a science. Physicists don't call themselves "physical scientists", the same goes with biologists, geologists, and chemists. Even economists don't need to desperately claim to be scientists to be taken seriously. A few engineers do, but only when they're making angry youtube videos about how they can show that global warming is a hoax. And there's computer scientists, but they're either math geeks or code monkeys (not scientists).
It's like natural medicine or traditional medicine. The fact that they have to qualify it says a lot.
Christian science, Qur'anic science, social science ... spot the trend?
It's like natural medicine or traditional medicine. The fact that they have to qualify it says a lot.
Your argument depends entirely on your own choice of descriptions. Under the same reasoning "western medicine" and "evidence-based medicine" are bunk. And climate science isn't a real science. The real world doesn't operate on similarities between phrasings.
Also I didn't say the free market is magical thinking, I said right wing ideologies include magical thinking about the free market. There are plenty of libertarian types who think externalities somehow disappear if you deregulate more*. This much nuance does not fit into a brief quip.
* I'm not saying this is universal, just that it fits into the right wing umbrella.
I don't get why we're called computer science, we don't follow the scientific method at all. I'm pretty sure it's just so we don't have to take as many calculus classes as if we were more mathy sounding like "computational theory" or some nonsense. Because fuck all nondiscrete math decimals make all things impure.
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1 aonome 2017-07-30
The left used to take issue with religion, now they've protected it as if it's a race.
1 UpvoteIfYouDare 2017-07-30
Only with religions that are not predominantly Western.
1 ChaoticEvil 2017-07-30
I'm in the most Western religion. I pray to Clint Eastwood.
I think it's because his character in Gran Torino reminds me fondly of /u/squarefaces. They both start out hating asian/asian-hybrids but end up having sex with one.
1 ManuOKu 2017-07-30
Both sides have always been religious though. Liberals just interpret it differently.
1 lokichilde 2017-07-30
Arguing about gamergate and religion are probably the two most retarded things on the internet.
1 CondeTrocola 2017-07-30
Religion is the opium of the masses. Marxism 101
1 Curlgradphi 2017-07-30
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-07-30
/u/thhueros you seeing this?
This is what i was talking about
1 SnapshillBot 2017-07-30
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1 Allahu_Laysa_Akbar 2017-07-30
Pot calling the kettle black
1 zahlman 2017-07-30
/u/EmptyMatchbook
wat
o wait holy shit you actually think you're saying something that vaguely describes reality in some way
fucking lol
1 EmptyMatchbook 2017-07-30
Yes. What was I thinking?
1 zahlman 2017-07-30
So your source is a link to the Escapist forum, about some shit written up by noted aGG "a man in black", which is immediately and repeatedly refuted in the ensuing discussion?
Yeah, good job buddy.
1 CultOfCuck 2017-07-30
10/10 wrecked, Ghazi get fucked.
1 telandrias 2017-07-30
Literally one guy tweeting bullshit and you blame Goomergators for everything.
It's not like Anita Sarkessian herself went to the UN and promoted a research paper that called Pokemon a "satanic panic" and said video games caused school shootings. Oh wait that's exactly what she did.
http://www.unwomen.org/~/media/headquarters/attachments/sections/library/publications/2015/cyber_violence_gender%20report.pdf?v=1&d=20150924T154259
Hey at least you're trying to retcon atheism to blame an atheist dead guy for the Iraq war. Good job Salon.
1 TheRootinTootinPutin 2017-07-30
To think, fam, one needs a brain. People who care about GG in the year of our Lord 2017 clearly lack one.
1 Notthehalf 2017-07-30
Hi, you must be new to Ghazi, heres a tip (I'll give you the rest later), everything they say is PROJECTION.
1 zahlman 2017-07-30
Nah m8, not new in the slightest, just don't get tired of pointing it out.
1 zahlman 2017-07-30
Nah m8, not new in the slightest, just don't get tired of pointing it out.
1 zahlman 2017-07-30
I like the part where they're all buttmad about how they can't get an audience to pay them to shitpost their political beliefs, but the people they oppose can.
1 jereeeym 2017-07-30
Sam Harris was vehemently anti trump and Milo Yianopolous isn't even an atheist (he's a Roman Catholic). Also Harris is in no way a fan of or connected to Yianopolous
Click bait trash from Salon as usual
1 uhohohno221 2017-07-30
Sam Harris is such a pathetic wannabe.
1 Curlgradphi 2017-07-30
He tries so hard though. His email exchange with Chomsky is heartbreaking.
1 uhohohno221 2017-07-30
Please respond
1 aqouta 2017-07-30
I know, what a dweeb. Go back to Neuro science you loooosseerr. Haha, got im.
1 an_experimenter 2017-07-30
Milo Yiannopolis is the son of a Greek and a Jew born in England, I still can't understand why the parents decided to get him baptised Catholic. But he's obviously non-practicing
1 jereeeym 2017-07-30
Well, he says he's practicing and that he takes it seriously
But then he goes out getting high and fucking dudes, so he evidently doesn't take it too seriously
1 Denny_Craine 2017-07-30
No that actually sounds like most serious catholics I've met
1 jereeeym 2017-07-30
Nah just the priests
1 TadidaYo 2017-07-30
I remember when the left took as a virtue to not only criticise religion but ridicule it. Guess I only had that impression because the vast majority was just doing it to get back at their white christian parents.
1 Brumaired 2017-07-30
That's not how it works. You don't stop being Catholic from sin, even mortal. If that were the case then Catholics would be required to go through first communion and confirmation after every confession.
That person, /u/follow_your_leader, is literally an ignorant fuck. Milo ceases being Catholic the second he's excommunicated by the Church. Being gay or in any state of sin doesn't automatically cause that you retard.
1 Pepperglue 2017-07-30
If we can have gay Muslim, then we can have gay Catholic.
Also take the note, Salon is trash.
1 Thulean-Dragon 2017-07-30
Does Islam even have a redemption thing like Catholics do? Honestly curious.
1 Pepperglue 2017-07-30
Not a Muslim, and I don't know any Muslim myself, so I cannot say for sure.
If I were to guess, I would say they have to have one. What kind of religion does not keep a way for the potential converts to redeem themselves?
1 Matthew1J 2017-07-30
Muslims don't go to hell for eternity, but only to get punished for their sins. So if you are a ME fag, you get killed, serve your time and if you are a Muslim you can go to the paradise and still get the 72 virgins.
1 Pepperglue 2017-07-30
Well, that's not too bad.
1 aqouta 2017-07-30
So why botther throwing them off buildings? You'd think a religion that thinks all Muslims eventually get to paradise would be more chill than the religion that thinks you burn in hell for all eternity for misdeeds.
1 Matthew1J 2017-07-30
Because Allah told Mohammed PBUH to tell the others.
1 an_experimenter 2017-07-30
Yeah they have honor killings.
1 Notthehalf 2017-07-30
Holy fuck when I read this I thought you must have taken it out of context, even I found it hard to believe ghazi would say this (let along have it upvoted).
But nope, if anything it only gets worse in context and they even go for
Cause all gay people would love to follow a hateful cult like yours right, especially when you treat them like this, we literally cannot exist with contrary opinions to yours /u/follow_your_leader holy fuck you are a stupid sack of crap. Oh and if he's not gay then surely your arguement about him being Catholic falls to pieces.
Let me guess /u/LuckyStampede, you are part of that fringe group known as females. You dye your hair dusty pink, so edge. You Listen to unknown bands like Rhianna and Taylor Swift. You as a woman likes video games, totally not the norm. You are a writer* who sits in starbucks bravely (*of blogs). And you're a Feministtm, that totally fringe rebel group that has no mainstream appeal whatsoever. Queertm - That vague nebulous descriptive term and one of an umbrella group that means nothing refering to an individual (other then when it's used as a pejorative shouted across the street).
For a "Queer" catholic, you don't seem bothered by the denial of someone elses religion or sexuality.
1 LuckyStampede 2017-07-30
It's way too early to figure out how many layers of sarcasm I'm dealing with here.
1 Notthehalf 2017-07-30
You say it's too early, but let's face it, regardless of the time, thinking is always hard for a Ghazier.
PS. The answer is One, it's a whole one layer of sarcasm that you cannot work out. Just multiple sarcastic statements of the same layer of Sarcasm. But that's probably just a self-defense mechanism to protect yourself from self-awareness as any Ghazier is trained to do. My assessment of your "queerness" was probably too on the mark.
1 an_experimenter 2017-07-30
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1 an_experimenter 2017-07-30
He distinguished "practicing Catholic" instead of just Catholic. Milo isn't practicing the faith or giving any indication he has any respect for it
1 cleverseneca 2017-07-30
TBF some actions, like having an abortion or desecrating the Eucharist, automatically excommunicate you from the Catholic Church. The term is Latae sententiae. You have to get disposition from a bishop or even the pope to be reinstated to the church. Gay sex, however... isn't one of these offenses.
1 Curlgradphi 2017-07-30
/u/Caracal_Man
You have no idea what you're talking about. Catholicism regards homosexual sex as a depraved act which subverts natural law. From the catechism:
No gay person on Earth is a practising Catholic unless they are at the very least actively seeking to control their urges.
This is why so many atheists hate the section of the left people like you inhabit. You dilute and apologise for the true barbarity and intolerance of these doctrines because you don't dare to offend the ignorant and deluded who pretend it doesn't exist.
1 Caracal_Man 2017-07-30
I am aware of how the Church views the act. The fact remains that there are people who profess the faith, who partake in communion (sinfully perhaps) and are members of the church who also engage in this kind of homosexual behaviour.
Sin does not preclude you from being a member of the body of Christ. Sin plagues every man from Adam and will continue to do so. The responsibility of a Catholic to aspire to be Christ-like is important but it is also important to recognize that man will sin. Adulterers, Pedophiles and Murderers are found aplenty in the church, why only exclude the homosexuals?
They are bad Catholics. But they are Catholics. Whether or not they choose to abide by a pledge of chastity is up to them. But they still practice to the extent that they can.
It's also kind of No True Scotsman-y. They say they are Catholics. They believe in the same precepts, with the exception of this one doctrine. They would recite the Nicene creed if asked to, in faith. What makes them less catholic than the rest of the sinners in the church?
Also, I'm an atheist. I used to believe. I agree that a lot of religion is barbaric. But what do you propose we tell gay people who believe in the religions they do? They've found a compromise of the religion that works for them. You understand that religions evolve and adapt to the cultures they conquer/spread to. Consider the Hebraic religion's transition from a Canaanite pagan religion, to a hennotheistic one, to a monotheistic one. There were moments during these periods where they were neither one nor the other.
In fact, early Christianity itself had many many divisions - and they all professed different faiths (Gnostics, Manichaeans to an extent, Arians, etc.). These were doctrinally different and yet fell under the banner of Christianity.
You have to acknowledge that there is a bit of ambiguity when trying to draw lines around belief because of the ambiguity of the nature of the beliefs of the people who believe them. I think as a general rule it is best to consider it in a descriptive manner, not prescriptive.
1 Curlgradphi 2017-07-30
They are ignoring a fundamental tenent of Catholic practise espoused in the catechism - despite knowing full well of its existence. They are not practising the religion.
Yes, all men sin, but what defines a practising Catholic is the repentance and journey away from sin. If someone is not repenting, and is making zero effort to avoid mortal sin, they're not practising Catholicism.
"They're not following the doctrine" isn't an ad hoc change of the definition of "practising Catholic" - it's the precise definition of someone who isn't a practising Catholic.
It's hilarious how many people seem to exist that can't wrap their heads around the idea that the "No true Scotsman" fallacy isn't just anybody saying that someone isn't really a thing.
If you're a Catholic there is no ambiguity. You follow the Vatican. You're saying they're still Catholic because the religious get to pick and choose, and ignoring the fact that Catholics absolutely explicitly do not get to fucking pick and choose.
What do you call someone who considers themselves Catholic and thinks Jesus wasn't the son of God?
1 Homer00025 2017-07-30
A sensible Catholic.
1 Curlgradphi 2017-07-30
It was rhetorical. The point was to show that despite claiming to be "descriptive" not "prescriptive" they too wouldn't call someone a Catholic if they ignored the teachings enough.
1 Homer00025 2017-07-30
And you failed to make that point in spectacular fashion.
1 Curlgradphi 2017-07-30
I was waiting for a response from the person I was actually having a discussion with to explicitly make the point. So I didn't really fail, you just randomly inserted yourself into something ongoing and then bitched about it being incomplete.
1 Homer00025 2017-07-30
You got a feeble Ghazistanian to tentatively agree with your euphoric little rant.
I don't see how that can be classified as anything but an utter and complete failure, not just of the "argument" you assumed you made, but also of your mental faculties and moral character.
But remember, redemption ist always possible and blessed are the meek. So hope springs eternal.
1 Curlgradphi 2017-07-30
You don't see how something succeeding in its sole purpose can be seen as anything other than a failure. That explains a lot tbh fam.
1 Homer00025 2017-07-30
If you get your mentally deficient cousin, and nobody else, to rub your weenie by telling him it grants wishes, your "argument" might achieve its sole purpose.
Considering such a feat an achievement would still be a an intellectual and moral failure. Just saying.
1 Curlgradphi 2017-07-30
I didn't call it succedding was an achievement though, I just pointed out how thick you were to say it had failed.
Try harder tbh.
1 cleverseneca 2017-07-30
I don't believe Sodomy is on the list of Latae sententiae. Therefore an active homosexual is not ipso facto excommunicated and thus is by definition still a Catholic.
1 Curlgradphi 2017-07-30
lrn 2 rd m8
1 Caracal_Man 2017-07-30
It's interesting. I'm not certain of my answer anymore because:
I'd say that you aren't Catholic. I don't know. I'll get back to you if I have an answer.
1 wisty 2017-07-30
/u/jtolmar:
So the free market, and skepticism about the validity of social sciences is magical thinking? Wew lad.
Any field which needs to put "science" in the name is not a science. Physicists don't call themselves "physical scientists", the same goes with biologists, geologists, and chemists. Even economists don't need to desperately claim to be scientists to be taken seriously. A few engineers do, but only when they're making angry youtube videos about how they can show that global warming is a hoax. And there's computer scientists, but they're either math geeks or code monkeys (not scientists).
It's like natural medicine or traditional medicine. The fact that they have to qualify it says a lot.
Christian science, Qur'anic science, social science ... spot the trend?
1 jtolmar 2017-07-30
Your argument depends entirely on your own choice of descriptions. Under the same reasoning "western medicine" and "evidence-based medicine" are bunk. And climate science isn't a real science. The real world doesn't operate on similarities between phrasings.
Also I didn't say the free market is magical thinking, I said right wing ideologies include magical thinking about the free market. There are plenty of libertarian types who think externalities somehow disappear if you deregulate more*. This much nuance does not fit into a brief quip.
* I'm not saying this is universal, just that it fits into the right wing umbrella.
1 aqouta 2017-07-30
I don't get why we're called computer science, we don't follow the scientific method at all. I'm pretty sure it's just so we don't have to take as many calculus classes as if we were more mathy sounding like "computational theory" or some nonsense. Because fuck all nondiscrete math decimals make all things impure.
1 Notthehalf 2017-07-30
Don't agree with us? You're in the Dark Ages!
Of course a cult dislikes people who rejects cults.
1 SRSLovesGawker 2017-07-30
The only person who ever called him that was PZ "Baseless Rape Accusations against People I Dislike Are Fun and Profitable" Meyers.
1 aqouta 2017-07-30
I love the GG controversy because it's such a thoroughly non-issue and both sides are just screaching in each other's general direction.