Holy shit take a look at his website. Nothing makes my butthole pucker like ham-fisted self-promotion. This guy is like a caricature of the cultural studies grad who's way too eager to make it on the TED talk circuit. I guess he's too white and male to become a diversity consultant? Or perhaps that job would feed his narcissism enough.
Kevin holds a B.S and M.A. in American Studies and M.Phil in Women's and Gender Studies. He has worked as a call-center operator, fast-food cook, touring singer/songwriter, librarian, writing tutor, student organizer, nonprofit grant-writer, office assistant, and college professor, among other things.
lol. Look at that resume. A couple of McJobs then a life of fucking about because he can't land any proper paying jobs.
You can't include a burger flipping job in your list of jobs and then throw in an "among other things" at the end. What is the mystery job that didn't make the cut? Literal ditch digging?
Lol, spends his whole life studying Beyonce, tweets some dumb shit and throws it all away before getting a tenured position. How do you spend so much time in school but still act so dumb?
Literally just looking at Beyonce Knowles' music for cultural and social meaning that is not really there. Knowles is a talented singer but her work is pretty shallow in meaning.
I think its paying for education that causes it. The British curriculum is largely standardized. These "Beyonce" courses are low effort academic versions of clickbait.
I think society should offer free college education at colleges which at public and have over sight and what not to stop people wasting tax payer dollars on shit like this
The 'Professor' Kevin Allred (who is himself white) previously expressed how he wanted to buy a gun and shoot white people randomly. Allred had the cops come to his house and was given a psychiatric evaluation because of this (it is pretty obvious he is batshit insane though) and had bitched about this as well.
Who will employ someone who basically just studies Beyonce (basically looking at her videos for cultural meanings that are not there) and has bad temperament issues and a propensity for violent threats now?
To be fair it's just a class, not a degree or field. I've taken one semester classes that dived into really specific people or concepts so it's not outright crazy.
Probably true, I don't know much about her, I don't really get the whole celebrity thing. I really only recognize like 5 different actors and only because they're really distinctive. Is really don't understand why people try and learn about the personal lives of actors or musicians.
Actually you could do quite a good cynical study on capitalism and media manipulation in regards to Beyonce. I don't think that's what his course was about though.
If Men's Studies was a thing like Women's Studies is a thing that would be sweet. Come for the wrestling or the car workshop demonstrations, stay for the BBQ.
Men's studies is a thing in feminist theory. Some literature on masculinity studies was assigned in my feminist philosophy class, and my professor expresses a sentiment that she wishes she could do more on this. That's why it's face palm-worthy when people try to posit men's and women's studies in opposition, when, really, they both fall into feminist gender studies. Despite what MRA/RedPill will brainwash you into thinking, authentic feminism does concern itself with the enforcement of hyper-masculinity and how this negatively affects men.
You're really not offering anything to respond to. Is the trivialization of male rape victims not due to the hyper-masculine notion that they're "pussies", not "real tough men"?
It's due to the fact that they weren't able to protect themselves properly, which is seen as a failing in men. I don't think it's hyper-masculine to recognize the role of men as the fighter and protector in society, and to see that shaming will come out of a failure in that role.
Buddy I dont think you know what MRAs mean by men's studies. Like yes femists also study men but they study men to bolster their claims of the patriarchy, it is a support mechanism for women's studies. Saying that MRAs havr no leg to stand on because feminists already have men's studies is like saying that capitalists shouldnt complain that communists never consider capitalism because universities in the Soviet Union had courses on capitalism (and more specifically why it sucks).
My point, regarding MRA, is more accurately that I don't think you can complain about rape and domestic violence committed against men without pointing out that it is actually patriarchal-norms that enforces the hyper-masculinity that negatively affects men. It's not feminism that is telling male rape victims that they're pussies, it's the very enforced hyper-masculinity that feminism is trying to challenge.
I also don't think your analogy fits because, as much as an incel/MRA would have one think otherwise, feminism is anti-gender norms, not anti-men.
It's interesting that so many of the grievances of incel/MRA about "not being man enough", "not being a Chad" is actually a product of the hyper-masculine expectations enforced by the very patriarchy they're fighting to uphold.
No I completely understand what youre saying, I dont think that you understand what I am saying. You are saying that feminists have already analyzed men's issues and come to the conclusion that they are all the result of a concept called toxic masculinity. This is a perfectly reasonable conclusuon to come to, but only if you already have accepted the assumptions about the world that feminism imposes, if youre not already a feminist then toxic masculinity is at best meaningless and at worst horribly offensive and hateful. In other words, feminism has the basic underlying fact that women have problems because they are oppressed by a patriarchy. This view of the world stands in contrast to the fact that men also have problems, in order for feminism to be a complete and internally consistant ideology it must account for this fact, so feminists look at the issue and conclude that these men's issues are also the fault of the same patriarchy. Feminism has created a self supporting ideology in which all problems in the world are caused by men.
This is similar to a lot of communist apologia of the shortcomings of the various socialist regimes in history such as the Soviet Union, they often say that these societies were not real examples of socialism and that they had been infiltrated by capitalist influences. In other words there is no way for a socialist society to fail because if it did there were traces of capitalism somewhere in there.
I also don't think your analogy fits because, as much as an incel/MRA would have one think otherwise, feminism is anti-gender norms, not anti-men.
First of allI admire your attempts to propagandize your opponents by subtley grouping different people together, first you wrote in the same breath "MRAs/RedPillers" and noe "Incel/MRA," as if a person who advocates for the rights of men is the same as a pickup artist or a child whining about his own virginity. Secondly as I have been trying to tell you, yes this is what they say, but what they dont tell you is that when they say "gender norms," what they usually mean is that they are agaibst a lot of things that are usually endemic to men, such as competitiveness, traits that science has shown men are more predisposed to and saying these things are bad, by extension they are saying that men are bad, so no it might not be explicitly anti-men but it attacks a lot of what men are, its the same as saying you have no problem with Jews so long as they convert to another religion and stop keeping the law.
It's interesting that so many of the grievances of incel/MRA about "not being man enough", "not being a Chad" is actually a product of the hyper-masculine expectations enforced by the very patriarchy they're fighting to uphold.
This is a view that only a feminist could hold because as I have explained only feminists hold beliefs such as hypermasculinity and patriarcht or whatever, to the rest of us this is entirely unhelpful. You need to understand this because these people you are deriding are not feminists and do not hold feminist beliefs, they arent trying to uphold a patriarchy because they dont believe in it, what theyre asking for is respect, a future to look forward toits the same as when a communist looks at a working class entrepreneur and says he is actively counterrevolutionary and that he has sold his soul to the bourgoise when in actuality he doesnt care about that crap and just wants to start a business to support themselves. Feminism like communism is denying their opponents agency, it is denying their very personhood because they say that their opposition to feminism/communism is not a rational decision but that they are in fact slaves to their abusers who cant think for themselves. Because of this not only do they come up with such baffling concepts like toxoc masculinity but they stunt themselves intellectually by giving themselves a reason to never ever listen to an opposing perspective. Feminism is an imperial ideology and you are proving it right here.
Well, all words are technically social constructions, but we still have to use words. It's true that we should keep ambiguities in mind. I think feminism is such a broad term that gets misappropriated by a lot of celebrities, liberal politicians, and internet users, that I just want to distinguish them from, you know, people who actually know what they're talking about.
So your definition of "feminist" is "a feminist who's right". I'm not sure if that's a tautology or a contradiction.
As for hyper-masculinity, it's just whatever you happen to think is bad about masculinity. Is emotional stability bad? Hell no, emotional stability correlates with a lot of good things (and it's a masculine trait), but I guess some elements of it in certain circumstances are bad, then it's "stoicism" and it's a bad thing. Virtually all personality traits are good at a certain level, but bad at extremes. Are there positive traits of masculinity? If you think a broad character trait or societal role is only negative, you're almost certain to be wrong as well as po-faced.
And if we can be so reductionist to claim there's such a thing as "hyper-masculinity"; is there "hyper-femininity", and is it a bad thing? If not, why not?
really, [men's studies] falls into feminist gender studies.
I'm not sure if you realize how insulting that is.
When groups of men try to get together and talk about problems that men face, feminists violently resist them and shut them down. Are you not aware that this happens?
Try to imagine if a group of christians violently shut down muslims and then had the gall to make the claim that you just made, "no seriously guyz, islam studies is just part of christianity, that's why you're not allowed to do it on your own - you have to come to us for it."
authentic feminism does concern itself with the enforcement of hyper-masculinity and how this negatively affects men.
Imagine a group of mostly-men putting forth the idea that hyper-gamy (not masculinity, but femininity) negatively affects women. Imagine how insulting you would find that to be.
Yeah, I understand that Republicans have traditionally been pretty dense about things like global warming. It just seemed forced to bring that up when we're talking about crazy leftwing professors, and nobody even mentioned being Republican.
Some people just like to turn everything into their show and by bringing a hated political entity into the convo, their object of hatred, they attention whoring for themselves. It's just the user, in this case, is now wrong.
Uhh...yeah? No one was saying that Republicans didn't have anti-intellectual beliefs about some things, I was just pointing out how you tried to push your anti-Republican whining into a thread where it wasn't relevant.
And also
mongoloid
Please refrain from using such offensive language in a safespace like this. I may have to report you to the mods for mean internet comments.
Even if the person was implicitly criticizing leftists, I still don't see how that warrants randomly changing the conversation to complain about conservatives. You know it's possible to complain about both sides, that's the point of Drama being South Park Neutral. I made fun of you because when someone criticizes the left, you'll swoop in to bring up conservatives. Of course they have problems too, but this is a thread to mock silly left wingers.
Personally, when people disagree with me, I think they should be put in jail. They clearly deserve a good dose of consequence for being trumpfags and trying to destroy the country for the lulz.
Typical Republican hypocrite, for consequences but only when it's a democrat that pays the price. When they ruin America, suddenly they're the victims.
Hahahahahahaha David. Not a weakling, the guy so insecure he has to give himself compliments every other phrase ? The guy so stupid be lies about easily verifiable facts when he didn't even need to !
Everyone gets all up in arms over "Beyonce Studies" but it's not like there aren't a shit-load of colleges offering a course in comic books, or anime. It's a dumb art elective.
I think a comic book history class would be fine as a fun history elective. Honestly a Beyonce studies class sounds pretty silly but I can see it as an independent study. I did one on Schiller for my German degree. Then again, she's hardly... let's say, the uncle of German literature (everybody knows Goethe's the GOAT)..
I mean, I hardly like her, but as a non-american, I get the impression she's insanely influential on American culture. Im sure there's something to study there, I don't know if the course is studying the right things, but understanding a case study of Beyonce would help future historians understand things like BLM, the pop industry, and the mayocide.
I'm pretty sure it's just this one guy teaching it. In a different era he might've shot the president to get Beyonces attention. In modern times, he teaches a "Beyonce studies" course and hate-tweets. Progress?
Oh, I recognized the name. The guy got a little bit of flak for calling Susan Sarandon a bitch who needs to be slapped across the face for preferring Sanders over Clinton.
I still don't get how people don't understand that sending death threats out into the public from a social media account attached to your name is a bad idea. You do it from an anonymous account and you're all gravy!
The point of trolling like this is to be so offensive as to attract a lot of attention, but not so offensive that you face any real consequences. It's a difficult balance and easy to fuck up, even/especially if one has been doing it for a long time.
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6 Ylajali_2002 2017-08-01
Holy shit take a look at his website. Nothing makes my butthole pucker like ham-fisted self-promotion. This guy is like a caricature of the cultural studies grad who's way too eager to make it on the TED talk circuit. I guess he's too white and male to become a diversity consultant? Or perhaps that job would feed his narcissism enough.
2 clock_watcher 2017-08-01
lol. Look at that resume. A couple of McJobs then a life of fucking about because he can't land any proper paying jobs.
7 ManuOKu 2017-08-01
why is it women's and gender studies? is woman not a gender anymore?
7 eDgEIN708 2017-08-01
Who knows at this point?
5 hahanope222 2017-08-01
You can study women in particular, or you can study gender in general.
Same reason it's "Earth and planetary science" even though Earth is a planet.
1 McBH 2017-08-01
There's a joke in here about feminist and ham planets but I can't quite put it together.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
Hamplanetary Science - the interdisciplinary study of gender and geophysics
1 telandrias 2017-08-01
Less Impressive than Judge Reinhold's career path in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
I get this reference.
1 aqouta 2017-08-01
You can't include a burger flipping job in your list of jobs and then throw in an "among other things" at the end. What is the mystery job that didn't make the cut? Literal ditch digging?
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
I would hire a ditch digger before I would hire someone who wasted brain cells on "Gender Studies".
Ditch digging is honest and useful work, at least. It might have taught this asshole some character or something.
3 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
The show never ends hahahahahahahahahaha
3 skeptic_narcoleptic 2017-08-01
Someone signed up for Beyoncé Studies?
3 Sta_Wa 2017-08-01
The brofessor has more valuable knowledge
2 bafflesaurus 2017-08-01
Lol, spends his whole life studying Beyonce, tweets some dumb shit and throws it all away before getting a tenured position. How do you spend so much time in school but still act so dumb?
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
Maybe you get some education, you Drumpf loving bigot.
1 SnapshillBot 2017-08-01
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1 TheHillofTara 2017-08-01
What's Beyonce Studies?
I'm not on Twitter. I need hashtags explained to me
1 MischiefManagers 2017-08-01
Literally just looking at Beyonce Knowles' music for cultural and social meaning that is not really there. Knowles is a talented singer but her work is pretty shallow in meaning.
Basically the 'Professor' has wasted his life.
1 TheHillofTara 2017-08-01
Where they doing this,?
On the internet or in classrooms?
1 MischiefManagers 2017-08-01
It is a college course, so the class room I presume.
1 CrushedBlackPepper 2017-08-01
And some people think society should offer free college education.
Yeah.
3 -Banana_Cake 2017-08-01
I think its paying for education that causes it. The British curriculum is largely standardized. These "Beyonce" courses are low effort academic versions of clickbait.
1 ineedmorealts 2017-08-01
I think society should offer free college education at colleges which at public and have over sight and what not to stop people wasting tax payer dollars on shit like this
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2017-08-01
No one asked you
1 theFriendlyDoomer 2017-08-01
Yeah, but it's reddit. No one asked anyone anything.
I'm sad now.
1 PolishPugLady 2017-08-01
They should, as long as it's not liberal arts bullshit.
1 HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-08-01
Classroom is a compound word
1 AltRightRulesReddit 2017-08-01
You got a compound ass.
1 HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-08-01
You're gonna make my wife jealous with that kind of talk
1 Dedalus77 2017-08-01
If i could get paid to spout bullshit about a pop artist and be seen as an intellectual, I'd take that as a win.
9 im-a-koala 2017-08-01
He's not getting paid anymore though.
1 Purge2202 2017-08-01
Thats why his life was wasted
1 GunOfSod 2017-08-01
Yo MischiefManagers, I'm really happy for you, I'll let you finish, but Beyonce has one of the best videos of all time.
1 youcanteatbullets 2017-08-01
Reported to the Beygency. You'll be disappeared by morning.
1 die_rattin 2017-08-01
Well uh up until very recently he was going to be paid to do this so...
1 shodanx 2017-08-01
Life is a waste already
1 Senator_Chickpea 2017-08-01
It's related to Shakira Law.
8 CultOfCuck 2017-08-01
Hips don't lie (because they would get 50 lashes for doing so).
1 Senator_Chickpea 2017-08-01
"Harem Ladies (Put an Infibulation Ring on It)"
1 ironicshitpostr 2017-08-01
That's my fetish!
1 MischiefManagers 2017-08-01
The 'Professor' Kevin Allred (who is himself white) previously expressed how he wanted to buy a gun and shoot white people randomly. Allred had the cops come to his house and was given a psychiatric evaluation because of this (it is pretty obvious he is batshit insane though) and had bitched about this as well.
Who will employ someone who basically just studies Beyonce (basically looking at her videos for cultural meanings that are not there) and has bad temperament issues and a propensity for violent threats now?
10 Canvasch 2017-08-01
Wait 'Beyonce studies' wasn't a joke?
1 TSwizzlesNipples 2017-08-01
Unfortunately not.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10607390/Beyonce-studies-anyone-8-other-ridiculous-university-courses.html
1 aqouta 2017-08-01
To be fair it's just a class, not a degree or field. I've taken one semester classes that dived into really specific people or concepts so it's not outright crazy.
1 Canvasch 2017-08-01
True I guess but people revere Beyonce way too hard. I know way too many gay guys who are just a little too obsessed with her.
1 aqouta 2017-08-01
Probably true, I don't know much about her, I don't really get the whole celebrity thing. I really only recognize like 5 different actors and only because they're really distinctive. Is really don't understand why people try and learn about the personal lives of actors or musicians.
1 Canvasch 2017-08-01
Her music is OK, but people treat her like a flawless goddess who can do no wrong.
1 RedsAnatomy 2017-08-01
are you implying she isn't
1 justjexxi 2017-08-01
So Beyonce is this generations Cher?
1 Canvasch 2017-08-01
Basically yeah
1 serialflamingo 2017-08-01
Carly Rae Jespen > Beyonce.
1 SortedN2Slytherin 2017-08-01
There used to be a sociology class at Georgetown, I think, which was all about Jay-Z.
1 Chin_Up_Chick 2017-08-01
I didnt expect to see a comment informing me beyonce studies is real and not sarcasm
6 EmperorAcinonyx 2017-08-01
Source on the first paragraph? Not denying, just verifying.
6 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
Uh, actually, there are hella Illuminati hand-signal triangles, sheeple.
1 Chicup 2017-08-01
Berkley
4 CultOfCuck 2017-08-01
becky.edu
1 Thulean-Dragon 2017-08-01
Evergreen
6 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
Trinity (test site)
1 CaliggyJack 2017-08-01
Any Californian College
1 BigDaddy_Delta 2017-08-01
Boyence studies......fuck this shit
10 jet199 2017-08-01
Actually you could do quite a good cynical study on capitalism and media manipulation in regards to Beyonce. I don't think that's what his course was about though.
8 Kangewalter 2017-08-01
My god, pure ideology!
5 CultOfCuck 2017-08-01
They're putting subliminal messages in the music and it's turning the freakin' communists into capitalists.
BEYONCE-STUDIES.COM
1 heavenlytoaster 2017-08-01
Wtf I love Beyonce now
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-08-01
This but with a dick up my ass!!
4 BigDaddy_Delta 2017-08-01
Sadly it was not
-2 MordorsFinest 2017-08-01
Is he a faggot? What kind of man watches a Beyoncé video for any other reason than looking at her or her dancers' asses?
1 boyoyoyoyong 2017-08-01
The best thing is women go into stupid amounts of debt to learn what this guy teaches, then they bitch about a wage gap.
1 h8speech 2017-08-01
If Men's Studies was a thing like Women's Studies is a thing that would be sweet. Come for the wrestling or the car workshop demonstrations, stay for the BBQ.
17 oshnyve 2017-08-01
men's studies is a thing, they usually just call it the history department though
10 Vipe777 2017-08-01
http://i.imgur.com/PnKx79L.gifv
5 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
ayyyy
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-08-01
Lmaooooo
1 aqouta 2017-08-01
History->his story
1 lap215 2017-08-01
Men's studies is a thing in feminist theory. Some literature on masculinity studies was assigned in my feminist philosophy class, and my professor expresses a sentiment that she wishes she could do more on this. That's why it's face palm-worthy when people try to posit men's and women's studies in opposition, when, really, they both fall into feminist gender studies. Despite what MRA/RedPill will brainwash you into thinking, authentic feminism does concern itself with the enforcement of hyper-masculinity and how this negatively affects men.
1 heavenlytoaster 2017-08-01
Ah yes brilliant feminism:. Men are the cause of women's problems, and women are not the cause of men problems because men do everything wrong.
1 lap215 2017-08-01
This is a straw man you made up because you don't have any substance.
1 heavenlytoaster 2017-08-01
Wew
1 lap215 2017-08-01
You're really not offering anything to respond to. Is the trivialization of male rape victims not due to the hyper-masculine notion that they're "pussies", not "real tough men"?
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-08-01
It's due to the fact that they weren't able to protect themselves properly, which is seen as a failing in men. I don't think it's hyper-masculine to recognize the role of men as the fighter and protector in society, and to see that shaming will come out of a failure in that role.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
It is probably due to the rape counseling industry being only concerned about women.
1 cheers_grills 2017-08-01
That's cause it's true.
1 Ace4929 2017-08-01
Buddy I dont think you know what MRAs mean by men's studies. Like yes femists also study men but they study men to bolster their claims of the patriarchy, it is a support mechanism for women's studies. Saying that MRAs havr no leg to stand on because feminists already have men's studies is like saying that capitalists shouldnt complain that communists never consider capitalism because universities in the Soviet Union had courses on capitalism (and more specifically why it sucks).
1 lap215 2017-08-01
My point, regarding MRA, is more accurately that I don't think you can complain about rape and domestic violence committed against men without pointing out that it is actually patriarchal-norms that enforces the hyper-masculinity that negatively affects men. It's not feminism that is telling male rape victims that they're pussies, it's the very enforced hyper-masculinity that feminism is trying to challenge.
I also don't think your analogy fits because, as much as an incel/MRA would have one think otherwise, feminism is anti-gender norms, not anti-men.
It's interesting that so many of the grievances of incel/MRA about "not being man enough", "not being a Chad" is actually a product of the hyper-masculine expectations enforced by the very patriarchy they're fighting to uphold.
1 Ace4929 2017-08-01
No I completely understand what youre saying, I dont think that you understand what I am saying. You are saying that feminists have already analyzed men's issues and come to the conclusion that they are all the result of a concept called toxic masculinity. This is a perfectly reasonable conclusuon to come to, but only if you already have accepted the assumptions about the world that feminism imposes, if youre not already a feminist then toxic masculinity is at best meaningless and at worst horribly offensive and hateful. In other words, feminism has the basic underlying fact that women have problems because they are oppressed by a patriarchy. This view of the world stands in contrast to the fact that men also have problems, in order for feminism to be a complete and internally consistant ideology it must account for this fact, so feminists look at the issue and conclude that these men's issues are also the fault of the same patriarchy. Feminism has created a self supporting ideology in which all problems in the world are caused by men.
This is similar to a lot of communist apologia of the shortcomings of the various socialist regimes in history such as the Soviet Union, they often say that these societies were not real examples of socialism and that they had been infiltrated by capitalist influences. In other words there is no way for a socialist society to fail because if it did there were traces of capitalism somewhere in there.
First of allI admire your attempts to propagandize your opponents by subtley grouping different people together, first you wrote in the same breath "MRAs/RedPillers" and noe "Incel/MRA," as if a person who advocates for the rights of men is the same as a pickup artist or a child whining about his own virginity. Secondly as I have been trying to tell you, yes this is what they say, but what they dont tell you is that when they say "gender norms," what they usually mean is that they are agaibst a lot of things that are usually endemic to men, such as competitiveness, traits that science has shown men are more predisposed to and saying these things are bad, by extension they are saying that men are bad, so no it might not be explicitly anti-men but it attacks a lot of what men are, its the same as saying you have no problem with Jews so long as they convert to another religion and stop keeping the law.
This is a view that only a feminist could hold because as I have explained only feminists hold beliefs such as hypermasculinity and patriarcht or whatever, to the rest of us this is entirely unhelpful. You need to understand this because these people you are deriding are not feminists and do not hold feminist beliefs, they arent trying to uphold a patriarchy because they dont believe in it, what theyre asking for is respect, a future to look forward toits the same as when a communist looks at a working class entrepreneur and says he is actively counterrevolutionary and that he has sold his soul to the bourgoise when in actuality he doesnt care about that crap and just wants to start a business to support themselves. Feminism like communism is denying their opponents agency, it is denying their very personhood because they say that their opposition to feminism/communism is not a rational decision but that they are in fact slaves to their abusers who cant think for themselves. Because of this not only do they come up with such baffling concepts like toxoc masculinity but they stunt themselves intellectually by giving themselves a reason to never ever listen to an opposing perspective. Feminism is an imperial ideology and you are proving it right here.
1 wisty 2017-08-01
Authentic feminism and hyper-masculinity are social constructs, with ambiguous and problematic definitions.
1 lap215 2017-08-01
Well, all words are technically social constructions, but we still have to use words. It's true that we should keep ambiguities in mind. I think feminism is such a broad term that gets misappropriated by a lot of celebrities, liberal politicians, and internet users, that I just want to distinguish them from, you know, people who actually know what they're talking about.
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-08-01
It's a social theory. There's no such thing as 'people who know what they're talking about' because it's just a bunch of opinion.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
You could be a good poster if you would stop being pro-tranny.
Perhaps you could be our resident Uncle Tammy
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-08-01
I'm not pro tranny lol. There are four lights.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
There are indeed four lights, sir! #MAGA!
1 wisty 2017-08-01
So your definition of "feminist" is "a feminist who's right". I'm not sure if that's a tautology or a contradiction.
As for hyper-masculinity, it's just whatever you happen to think is bad about masculinity. Is emotional stability bad? Hell no, emotional stability correlates with a lot of good things (and it's a masculine trait), but I guess some elements of it in certain circumstances are bad, then it's "stoicism" and it's a bad thing. Virtually all personality traits are good at a certain level, but bad at extremes. Are there positive traits of masculinity? If you think a broad character trait or societal role is only negative, you're almost certain to be wrong as well as po-faced.
And if we can be so reductionist to claim there's such a thing as "hyper-masculinity"; is there "hyper-femininity", and is it a bad thing? If not, why not?
1 thedevguy 2017-08-01
I'm not sure if you realize how insulting that is.
When groups of men try to get together and talk about problems that men face, feminists violently resist them and shut them down. Are you not aware that this happens?
Try to imagine if a group of christians violently shut down muslims and then had the gall to make the claim that you just made, "no seriously guyz, islam studies is just part of christianity, that's why you're not allowed to do it on your own - you have to come to us for it."
Imagine a group of mostly-men putting forth the idea that hyper-gamy (not masculinity, but femininity) negatively affects women. Imagine how insulting you would find that to be.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
Does it concern itself with the enforcement of normal masculinity and how it is awesome?
1 Dyslexter 2017-08-01
delete this cancer please
edit: Or at least make it spicier. This is the equivelent of the copy-paste anti-trump r/politics rhetoric which plauges r/subredditdrama.
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2017-08-01
Wow.. so this is the "highly educated" I keep hearing about
2 threeseed 2017-08-01
Yes. He represents everyone that has a University/College education.
2 PENGAmurungu 2017-08-01
right? is OP trying to compare this to things like climate denialism?
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
Climate fundamentalists already denied global warming. It is just "climate change" now because they don't know what the fuck.
:-D
1 Thulean-Dragon 2017-08-01
If you question them you're just 'anti-intellectual'.
1 pizzashill 2017-08-01
Nah, republicans aren't anti-intellectual for questioning this, the whole "climate change is a hoax" and "teach the controversy" is why.
Along with, you know, the constant attempts to force religion into the law. The denial of basic math in relation to economics, stuff like that.
1 Inside-3 2017-08-01
Oh good, are you going to have another butthurt political tantrum?
1 rultes 2017-08-01
In this case, he's not wrong.
1 Inside-3 2017-08-01
Yeah, I understand that Republicans have traditionally been pretty dense about things like global warming. It just seemed forced to bring that up when we're talking about crazy leftwing professors, and nobody even mentioned being Republican.
1 rultes 2017-08-01
Some people just like to turn everything into their show and by bringing a hated political entity into the convo, their object of hatred, they attention whoring for themselves. It's just the user, in this case, is now wrong.
1 pizzashill 2017-08-01
Did you even read the comment that was in response to you mongoloid?
1 Inside-3 2017-08-01
Uhh...yeah? No one was saying that Republicans didn't have anti-intellectual beliefs about some things, I was just pointing out how you tried to push your anti-Republican whining into a thread where it wasn't relevant.
And also
Please refrain from using such offensive language in a safespace like this. I may have to report you to the mods for mean internet comments.
1 pizzashill 2017-08-01
That person was clearly pushing the "left-wing" educated shit dude, everyone knows what he was implying.
Ok mongoloid.
1 Inside-3 2017-08-01
Even if the person was implicitly criticizing leftists, I still don't see how that warrants randomly changing the conversation to complain about conservatives. You know it's possible to complain about both sides, that's the point of Drama being South Park Neutral. I made fun of you because when someone criticizes the left, you'll swoop in to bring up conservatives. Of course they have problems too, but this is a thread to mock silly left wingers.
no u r
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
Its "climate change" now.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
"Increasing the supply of labor does not drive down wages, REEEEE!"
"Socialism will work this time, REEEEEE!"
Math.
1 pizzashill 2017-08-01
Yeah, nice try, more like "tax cuts for the riches will trickle down to everyone else" and "there's a free market solution to healthcare."
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
You won't find me defending neo-liberal GOPe nonsense.
1 pizzashill 2017-08-01
The fact you think that shit is neoliberal is hilarious.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
That is what neoliberal is. The DEM-GOP uniparty.
1 pizzashill 2017-08-01
That is not neoliberal, it's standard conservatard bullshit. Neoliberals are in no way, shape, or form, on board with this drivel.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
Neoliberalism is conservatard economics + leftist identity politics. The end.
1 pizzashill 2017-08-01
No, it's not, and I'm guessing by this you have literally no idea what neoliberalism is outside of the delusional leftard buzzword form.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
hmmmm
1 boyoyoyoyong 2017-08-01
Of course finding symbolism takes real brain power, way more than those guys who wire a house
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1 Kekistanian9000 2017-08-01
Beyonce studies?
Is there a level of stupidity and worthlesness that liberal arts won't achieve?
3 PyroSign 2017-08-01
CNN video - What can you learn from Beyonce?
(Actual interview starts at 0:50)
10 ManuOKu 2017-08-01
born to late to oppress the colonies, born to early to oppress the martians, born just in time to watch the collapse of western civilization.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-08-01
This but with even more hyperbole
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
Not on my watch.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2017-08-01
I'MWITHHER
7 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
SLAAAAAAAAAAAAY
2 TinFoilWizardHat 2017-08-01
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESIST
1 cheers_grills 2017-08-01
Well, they didn't elect Bernard.
1 WeWuzKANG5 2017-08-01
Totes the trolls fault for the firing and not the death threat amirite?
1 The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-08-01
👏freedom👏of👏speech👏not👏freedom👏from👏 consequences👏 😂😂😂
22 Thulean-Dragon 2017-08-01
Wait. It goes both ways!?
Woah.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-08-01
Hey guys i found the reason Trump won! u/HillaryClinton get yo' ass over here now bitch!
1 shodanx 2017-08-01
Personally, when people disagree with me, I think they should be put in jail. They clearly deserve a good dose of consequence for being trumpfags and trying to destroy the country for the lulz.
1 NoRealsOnlyFeels 2017-08-01
Wow, you liberal cuck.
When people disagree with me, I personally think they, and their immediate family, should be killed.
1 shodanx 2017-08-01
Typical Republican hypocrite, for consequences but only when it's a democrat that pays the price. When they ruin America, suddenly they're the victims.
Truly vermin on this land!
1 NoRealsOnlyFeels 2017-08-01
You're just mad because Trump is going to cremate you and the rest of you low class poors
1 shodanx 2017-08-01
This time we'll skip the oven part and go straight to the part where he eats poison pills.
1 NoRealsOnlyFeels 2017-08-01
Trump isn't some weakling. Liberals think Trump can be harmed by poison. Kek.
Liberals BTFO
1 shodanx 2017-08-01
Hahahahahahaha David. Not a weakling, the guy so insecure he has to give himself compliments every other phrase ? The guy so stupid be lies about easily verifiable facts when he didn't even need to !
Weakness, it's the Republican condition
1 NoRealsOnlyFeels 2017-08-01
Liberal mad because they got for very BTFO by the Orange Man
1 shodanx 2017-08-01
You already used that one
1 NoRealsOnlyFeels 2017-08-01
President Trump
1 shodanx 2017-08-01
TRIGGER WARNING
1 NewStateof 2017-08-01
I mean death to the left and all that. I agree all democrats should be sent to prison camps
1 Manifest 2017-08-01
Everyone gets all up in arms over "Beyonce Studies" but it's not like there aren't a shit-load of colleges offering a course in comic books, or anime. It's a dumb art elective.
6 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
I mean, nobody here would disagree that comic book studies are equally stupid.
Right?
3 Manifest 2017-08-01
Don't be so sure.
2 thefloyd 2017-08-01
I think a comic book history class would be fine as a fun history elective. Honestly a Beyonce studies class sounds pretty silly but I can see it as an independent study. I did one on Schiller for my German degree. Then again, she's hardly... let's say, the uncle of German literature (everybody knows Goethe's the GOAT)..
1 Whores_anus 2017-08-01
I mean, I hardly like her, but as a non-american, I get the impression she's insanely influential on American culture. Im sure there's something to study there, I don't know if the course is studying the right things, but understanding a case study of Beyonce would help future historians understand things like BLM, the pop industry, and the mayocide.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
1 celocanth13 2017-08-01
I took a comic book class my senior year, great credit waster.
1 heavenlytoaster 2017-08-01
There's comic book studies, and then there's "Sonic fetish cartoons" studies. They are not "equally" stupid
1 JoeFalchetto 2017-08-01
The equivalent of a course in comic books or anime would be a course in R&B; the equivalent of a course in Beyonce would be a course in Rob Liefeld.
6 Manifest 2017-08-01
I know of a school that has a course that's basically Frank Miller studies.
Like I said, it's a dumb art elective. Who cares?
5 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
What if you took, like, a real art history class.
1 cheers_grills 2017-08-01
I want to take a class in Trump studies.
1 Manifest 2017-08-01
Give it a decade and there will be plenty of political science and media classes focusing on Trump. Academia takes their time with these things.
1 cheers_grills 2017-08-01
I don't care about merit, I just want to hear "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
1 Manifest 2017-08-01
You've got plenty of your own posts to read for that.
2 PEDRO_de_PACAS_ 2017-08-01
Funny but a bit unfair. Rob Liefeld is the Pink of the comic book world, if anything.
1 bleasehalb 2017-08-01
How to avoid drawing feet 102
1 Nicholai_Dimitri 2017-08-01
>checks
>beyonce studies is a real thing
Literally the third time ive used this image today
3 WhiskeyWeekends 2017-08-01
Not that anyone cares but my God do I love the way that armor looks.
1 youcanteatbullets 2017-08-01
I'm pretty sure it's just this one guy teaching it. In a different era he might've shot the president to get Beyonces attention. In modern times, he teaches a "Beyonce studies" course and hate-tweets. Progress?
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMLCrzy9TEs&feature=youtu.be&t=101
And I'm going to follow it with this again because I love this video
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-08-01
>Literally the third time ive used this image today
>checks post history
ARREST THE DECEIVER
1 Nicholai_Dimitri 2017-08-01
First
Second
Kys
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-08-01
Thatwasthejoke.jpg :/
1 Nicholai_Dimitri 2017-08-01
>expecting an autist to understand humor
1 antiliberalismpatrol 2017-08-01
Oh, I recognized the name. The guy got a little bit of flak for calling Susan Sarandon a bitch who needs to be slapped across the face for preferring Sanders over Clinton.
1 iamjackswastedlife__ 2017-08-01
I'm going to apply to be a "R Kelly Studies" professor.
4 Ylajali_2002 2017-08-01
If you need someone to do a guest lecture about peeing on 17 year old girls I'm your man. Got a lot of "lived experience" if you know what I mean.
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1 ironicshitpostr 2017-08-01
How much did you charge, and how did you tuck convincing?
3 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-01
Urologist is a noble profession, seriously.
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1 JumbledFun 2017-08-01
I still don't get how people don't understand that sending death threats out into the public from a social media account attached to your name is a bad idea. You do it from an anonymous account and you're all gravy!
10 tritter211 2017-08-01
kys
3 youcanteatbullets 2017-08-01
The point of trolling like this is to be so offensive as to attract a lot of attention, but not so offensive that you face any real consequences. It's a difficult balance and easy to fuck up, even/especially if one has been doing it for a long time.
Keep yourself safe,
- you can teat bullets
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1 SlavophilesAnonymous 2017-08-01
Isn't Montclair State where Grover Furr, the high priest of tankies, teaches Medieval English Literature?
1 MewKiryu 2017-08-01
Trump has made things interesting.