I wouldn't be so sure. I'm sure there's a large contingent of journalists who are hoping NK launches a missile just so they can write a hit piece on Trump.
I can almost guarantee you that if 9/11 or Pearl Harbor happened today the majority of stories written about the event would find some way to blame the Trump administration instead of the terrorists or hostile government.
It's more that people are bored enough with their lives that they want to die but their lives aren't aggressively bad enough to really make them ever kill themselves. So they sit around all day jerkin it about the end of civ.
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Yeah as much as I dislike Trump this OH NOES WW3 shit is so fucking stupid. Less stupid that the OH NOES WW3 Hillaty will start by enforcing a no fly zone against a gas station.
If Trump actually follows through and levels NK it will only raise my opinion of him
Tbh it is probably the best time to execute a coordinated attack on the DPRK. International intolerance of their threats and leadership is at an all time high, their allies are wavering hard, and it would only improve stability in the region.
The only problem would be timing the assault so that the US and any affiliated allies could take down NKs shelling abilities first so that Seoul dosent get ravaged. Luckily we have been moving in a lot of defensive tech towards the DMZ in the last two years.
and it would only improve stability in the region.
Shrewd foreign policy analysis from /u/PressFPayRespect. Like how the Iraq war brought stability to the middle east.
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and it would only improve stability in the region.
Shrewd foreign policy analysis from /u/PressFPayRespect. Like how the Iraq war brought stability to the middle east.
The situation in Iraq was nothing like the situation in the DPRK now. We had a president crowing about WMDs that didn't exist then versus an insane Dictator now offering a clear nuclear threat against ourselves and our allies.
Also the North Korean populace dosent have a quasi religo-political reason hatred for us or our allies outside of what they are told by their governments insane propaganda.
Most of the country is starving (the average nk resident is 3 inches shorter due to malnutrition than their southern counterpart). Most of the country is without power and basic infrastructure, this can be shown by any satellite camera. Also, a large populatoin is languishing with their family in political gulags. Allied forces coming to NK, removing Kim, and offering infrastructure and food would not be sabotaged by insurgent forces in any way like in the middle east.
You are comparing apples and machine guns.
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You do realize that most of the peoole who go into the NK military do so to avoid starving, and even then they dont get enough nutrition right? This is due to the DPRKs military first policy. For example in the 90s when Japan sent aide in the form of food and fuel and it all went to the military.
International relief efforts and strengthening of NK infrastructure will endear the populace to us without Kim. Your direct parallel to Islamic radicalism post fall of the Iraqi dictator state is completely off base.
My foreign exchange student in high school was from Seoul, and they still have family in the north. Its incredibly heart sad, and given SK is one of the fastest growing economies on the planet, I have no doubt they would give their all on reunification post NK liberation from the regime.
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Generations of brainwashing and isolation says otherwise. These people don't know life not under the thumb of a Kim. They're not going to stop doing the only thing they've known how to do for decades just because the ruling class gets shaken up.
Generations of brainwashing and isolation says otherwise. These people don't know life not under the thumb of a Kim. They're not going to stop doing the only thing they've known how to do for decades just because the ruling class gets shaken up.
There is more evidence to suggest that North Koreans are not so much programmed into their way of life so much as they must obey or see their whole family punished. Defectors and the massive gulag populations are clear evidence of this.
The only class that would conceivably be truly loyal is the population in Pyongyang, which is exclusive made up of the highest caste in Juche society. ie More affluent families, families, families of high ranking party members, and families of higher ranking military. Even then, these people leak and defect all the time.
A dog that fears its master and obeys due to abuse is not the same as a dog that loves its owner, because it trusts them implicitly with their safety and well-being.
And you think the fear of punishment if they don't lay down their lives in service of the motherland doesn't exist? Just because the US takes action doesn't mean they'll believe in it's success. With all the shit they've heard over their lives they have no clue how capable we are. They may very well think they have a chance of winning and if that happens and they didn't serve honorably they'll be double-fucked. When it's all over.
If we take any action against NK we're definitely not going to be able to actually occupy the area without the Chinese getting involved.
Trump will probably just drop a MOAB on any artillery camps pointed towards Seoul and wherever US intelligence suspects they're keeping their Nuclear arsenal and call it a day.
Also the North Korean populace dosent have a quasi religo-political reason hatred for us or our allies outside of what they are told by their governments insane propaganda.
Oh yeah. I read that book by the BBC journo who went undercover with a student group into the DPRK "Undercover North Korea". He does a good job of breaking it down in pretty vivid, terrifying detail.
You should read Nothing to Envy it's a really good book about life in DPRK through the stories of defectors. The funniest one was a university student at a top school who basically Googled "How do I defect from North Korea?" at a Chinese internet cafe.
But my point is many ordinary North Koreans are plenty brainwashed and are not going to be pleased with an invading force--even one composed mostly of South Koreans.
You should read Nothing to Envy it's a really good book about life in DPRK through the stories of defectors. The funniest one was a university student at a top school who basically Googled "How do I defect from North Korea?" at a Chinese internet cafe.
Ill seriously check it out. F for Respect.
But my point is many ordinary North Koreans are plenty brainwashed and are not going to be pleased with an invading force--even one composed mostly of South Koreans.
Excluding the one you mentioned, I have read a lot on north Korea, watch a lot of defector testimony, and know some Koreans myself.
From what I understand, the majority of people engage in the programmed behavior the government insists on out of fear, not so much because the programming itself is in control. Generational punishment for wrong think and disobedience is a hell of a prod towards acting brain washed.
That being said, I think there is more evidence to suggest these people want to be free of the Kim regime and the chains of Juche more than they want to remain in their current paradigm.
Its like I said in a previous post, they only have a large military in terms of boots to ground because being in the military is the only way to have a good chance at not starving. This was put in place by the fat bois father as part of his military first position wherein resources go to the military and the capital and then everything left goes to the wavering class, and then subsequently to the gulags if there is anything.
I think its more likely for NKoreans from all walks to take advantage of an assault on the government and any loyalist military than for mass brainwashing to kick in.
Yea I don't know if millions of dead Koreans, no government in North Korea and the US and China fighting over the NK corpse is really going to "improve stability in the region."
This figure is retarded. There are 5 million malnourished soldiers in their military, most of which join entirely so they dont starve. You really think they are going to fight to the last man when Pyongyang is dust, Kim is gone, and their laughable air force and navy is on fire?
no government in North Korea and the US and China fighting over the NK corpse is really going to "improve stability in the region."
Chinas Government literally said they will remain neutral in any conflict or proceedings between the US and DPRK JUST YESTERDAY
Tens of thousands of South Koreanswould probably die the moment war starts from artillery shelling. If a nuke gets set off in Seoul then maybe another 50k. Any kind of US attack probably 100k+ dead North Koreans at minimum. Just look at the death toll in Iraq, another stomp that ended in a few days, yet the death toll is several hundred thousand.
Also you're either a 70 year old man or a regular moron for signing your Reddit comments.
Tens of thousands of South Koreanswould probably die the moment war starts from artillery shelling.
Implying that the US hasnt been tracking NK artillery positions for decades. Lol The only world where this scenario exists is a scenario wherein NK strikes by surprise. In that case, Seoul couldn't stop shelling if they wanted to. However the counter attack would be incredibly swift.
If a nuke gets set off in Seoul then maybe another 50k.
We have too much anti air defense in SK for this to happen, that's why they can only use low tech artillery against SK. In fact pretty much any missile on a attack trajectory will be destroyed any way they fire it given the surrounding countries air defenses.
Any kind of US attack probably 100k+ dead North Koreans at minimum. Just look at the death toll in Iraq, another stomp that ended in a few days, yet the death toll is several hundred thousand.
15,000 died in the initial fighting of the Iraq invasion, according to best reports only 4,300 were civilian non combatants. Every war has civilian casualties.
500,000 War related deaths (i am giving you the benefit, this is the farthest most liberal number possible) havebeen calculated since the beginning of the Iraq war in 15 years. This includes all civilian casualties, soldier deaths, terrorist deaths and kills, etc. I dont see your point though.
The difference in the scenario is likely to decrease casualties on all metrics by a vast amount. The probability of it not turning into a anti insurgency campaign at least is a huge factor.
The additional casualties to round us out to millions come from pure drama and Trump tweets.
Ok i am Pressing F and giving you Respect for this one chum.
Also you're either a 70 year old man or a regular moron for signing your Reddit comments.
You've basically ticked off the full neo-con before Iraq war checklist.
-our military is too advanced and knows everything, there's no way they can inflict mass casualties
In this case, given the nature of their technology, average standard of health, and the lack of international support (especially the Chinese, who have abandoned them); it is likely that the most damage they could cause is through mass surprise shelling or attacking themselves.
-we'll be greeted as liberators, acting like there won't be an insurgency or bloodbath in the aftermath
The people in NK are not in any way ripe for a post attack insurgency. Almost all defector content that I have seen on this issue points to 2 things
A) continued mass starvation and discontent stifled by the direct threat of the gulag, there is mass discontent but the populace is entirely unarmed and dieing for a large part.
And
B) people capitulating to the government and/or joining the military so they dont starve
The idea that the religious based fervor of Islamic insurgency would be repeated by this population is pretty terrible.
-we have superior conventional weapons (as if NK is going to rely on conventional weapons)
The only conventional weapons they have that are any real threat is artillery or a surprise strike by foot. Even then SK has an advanced military with superior training and weaponry, with the combined military might of the US.
-forgetting about the aftermath and acting like the initial invasion death toll is all that matters
I mentioned the total death toll.
-buying into WMD hysteria and deciding to destabilize a perfectly competent murderous dictator
F. You got me lol
Seriously even retards learn after they stick silverware into electrical sockets a few times.
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I will say though Iraq war comparisons are dumb, these are two situations that have nothing to do with one another besides a dictator being involved. Not every war turns into a long term counter insurgency.
Yes I am sure some nukes would bring stability to a region that is one of the most stable in the world
What nukes? NK barely has tech that is older than I am, and the US has conventional non nuclear weaponry that is a lightyear ahead of NK. Fear of nuclear weaponry right now is a non conversation.
Not really - there is a pretty good argument that anti-gamergate is the impetus behind the alt-right, and it is almost definitely behind the surge in popularity of Pol and of the sort of nihilistic memeing that went on in 2016.
Let's run through it:
You had a bunch of reclusive, awkward autists get turned on by both the media and the left, all because they didn't want corruption in the coverage of their only real joy in life.
So now, aside from a love for computers and anime or whatever - combined with more free time than they know what to do with - they also have an intense distrust of the media and the left, a hatred for social justice, and (crucially) also little to no overlap with traditional conservatives.
And they then, from the little havens and corners of the Internet that had become their home, sort of just looked out upon the rest of the world, and what had once been apathetic disinterest had finally been completely replaced with bleak hostility and contempt.
"Fine," they said, "You wanted to fight demons? Well we'll give you one!"
And so now Donald J. Trump - an orange joke of a reality tv "businessman" - is President of the United Fucking States, and the world is the closest it's been to ending since the fall of the Soviet Union.
Fan-fucking-tastic.
So it's really not that much of a stretch to say that Zoe Quinn's pussy is what got Daddy elected. I find it an especially enjoyable theory because it frames the hysteria from the left in an even more hilarious context.
OMG...it's just like the centipedes predicted: Trump is going to make anime real. I bet he already knows exactly how many bombs it will take to make it happen. Buckle up, buckaroos, we have IRL catgirls and tentacle monsters incoming!
I want to see some mushroom clouds recorded with HD cell phone cameras. Like the 9/11 footage. Would the EMP blast kill all electronics within a certain radius?
North Korea is small enough to be easily taken care of with non-nuclear weapons.
This is just a bunch of little kids spazing out because they didn't get to live during the actual cold war. There are zero scenarios in which this actually leads to nuclear war. Maybe North Korea nukes something with their low-yield warheads, but i doubt even that.
What's the alternative, though? We do nothing, wait until they have better nuclear missiles and then have a real nuclear war?
we'd have to start importing avocados from New Zealand. Can you imagine having your gauc held hostage by sheep-fuckers like /u/comedicsans ? kill me now
Maybe. Our expensive-ass anti-ballistic missile star wars defense thing is mostly vaporware. NK missiles are shitty, so it might work, but it might not. If I remember right, the defense system has worked about 50% of the time in tests.
I'm not an expert, but I think you only get one shot at it. ICBMs come in very fast. The advantage is that once it goes ballistic (i.e. after the rocket shuts off), you can (theoretically, if you have enough data and can process it) calculate the trajectory and figure out exactly where it's going to go next, and aim your interceptor there.
But if your interceptor misses, I don't think you get another shot, because it's already impacted.
I'm not an expert myself, but if it's a single threat, and you have multiple antimissle stations, you would be able to calculate and stage multiple attempts to the point success is a near certainty.
Either that or we spend all that fucking money for nothing.
c) If America actually fires any nukes at anything there are still systems in Russia that will fire back, even if we don't nuke Russia. I believe we also have this, so welcome to nuclear winter.
See my response above. The ramifications of the US launching nuclear weapons, except as a last resort, are far too great for them to use them on North Korea.
He's really not. You don't become president of the United States without having above average intelligence. Remember, having opinions you don't agree with does not make someone dumb.
doesn't understand why we have nukes if we're not going to use them.
Also not true.
If DPRK managed to nuke, say, Los Angeles, the US will probably retaliate with nukes.
Highly doubtful. The ramifications of the United States using a nuclear weapon except as a last resort would make it highly unlikely that the US would respond to a singular, low yield, nuclear missile with a nuclear launch of it's own.
Besides, we have non-nuclear weapons that are just as destructive. A single MOAB in the middle of Pyongyang would likely be more destructive than any nuclear device that North Korea currently has.
You mistake deliberately dumbing down his speech in order to relate better with his target audience with actually being stupid.
It's the same thing with George W. Bush - he doesn't naturally talk with that folksy Texan persona, he only adopted it after he got spanked in his first run for the House of Representatives by a Texan Democrat painting him as an overly-intellectual Yankee carpetbagger.
Besides, we have non-nuclear weapons that are just as destructive. A single MOAB in the middle of Pyongyang would likely be more destructive than any nuclear device that North Korea currently has.
You have no idea what you are talking about. MOAB hits at 11 tons of TNT, little boy, the first nuclear bomb ever made, hit at 16,000 tons. You are talking out your ass and can't even get the orders of magnitude right on this shit.
A MOAB will cripple the city much less because it has a much smaller destructive force (1000 times less energy released) and has no fallout.
There is zero reason to think that weapons North Korea has developed are going to be way shittier than the first ever nuclear weapon. They didn't start from scratch and they have better available tech and tools to work with. Plus actual estimates of their conducted tests put the bomb over 10,000 tons.
As an added bonus, Democrats tend to live in the big cities, so if they get nuked then California can go red, thus guaranteeing Trump a second and perhaps third term.
nothin' gonna happen but if it did the world after all this refugee shit is going to laugh it's fucking balls off when it sees how China would deal with the massive NK flood.
Im so glad killary isnt president, she would be starting ww3 with NK and russia. im so glad we have donald trump who wants peace and non intervention!!!!!
The problem with Hillary's Warmongering was never North Korea. It was always the middle east. Specifically, getting us directly involved in a conflict with Russia over Syria.
US diplomacy has never worked with North Korea and it never will. Clinton, Bush, and Obama all had a chance to solve the North Korea problem before they reached nuclear status and they didn't. Now there aren't really many options left.
Tbh I could totally go for some casual boots on the ground in the ME right about now. None of that committal shit tho, I want me a couple month long hot and heavy fling.
Obama had no such chance, they went nuclear in like 2005.
The nuclear deterrent is the only the only or perhaps even the main issue, war with North Korea comes with a 300K death toll just off artilliary and conventional arms. People forget that even 40 year old soviet shit can blast the fuck out of cities at like 600 miles.
The military offer on the table has always been trade hundreds of thousands of South Korean and Japanese lives for an end to the North Korean problem. As of yet no one has thought that to be a very good deal.
Obama had several chances to put an end to North Korea's nuclear weapons program. As did Bush, Clinton, and Bush Sr.
As of yet no one has thought that to be a very good deal.
It's not, but ultimately it's the endgame for NK because diplomacy doesn't work with them. An internal coup could also solve the problem but I don't see that happening.
Sure, if they wanted to pay the price of hundreds of thousands of lives. But you said Obama had a chance to deal with the problem before they went nuclear, which was what I was disagreeing with.
That's a completely defeatist viewpoint. Diplomacy hasn't worked because China has their back. Split them off and you start to starve the regime of the resources it needs to maintain control.
I've been advocating for eliminating NK leadership since about 2002-3ish - when I first heard Bill Clinton call Iran, Iraq and North Korea an Axis of evil in a speech. I subsequently learned about Camp 14. I realized then that their leadership doesn't deserve to share the planet with us morally superior muricans.
If Daddy wipes NK without nukes and frees those in the death camps - He would go from a pretty mediocre and limp dicked POTUS to a president who somehow did more for humanity than any since Roosevelt.
Funny part - he doesn't have to do shit to do it. We have enough drones to have them running 8 hour shifts along the NK + SK border non stop, wiping out and spotting artillery batteries nearly instantly. The border still wouldn't allow for ground crossings thanks to minefields. Even if they tried - we have sufficient minefields in place already, both our ground bases in SK and our fleet in the Pacific is more than sufficient to dispatch their entire military quickly.
Best of all, leadership will be easy to find. They will be the ones with consumer automobiles. I mean, just kill their entire political class there by simply targeting anyone with a normal car.
Finally - instead of bombing inland, just drop food, water, dvds with a message from America and pamplets. Also drop some sort of system to provide free wifi / internet to them. Nationwide full internet would probably topple the regime as fast as anything else would.
TL;DR- The ramblings of an autist that knows absolutely nothing about geopolitics and world economic stability and wants Trump to just go in, dick swinging, because fuck the entire world economy, why not destroy that and start a war with China?(this is what taking out NK will do, if you had any sort of education in world history you'd know this) Also the South Koreans would prefer to remain unnuked.
The elites in DPRK are all powerhungry pedos who don't want to stand trial for their crimes. Part of me thinks any kind of "liberation" attempt would quickly turn into a massive hostage situation. That and the whole of the population committing suicide like the Japs in WWII due to all the propaganda they've heard about America.
Amazing to think that Trump and Un grew up in the same home-town together, went to the same high-school and even dated the same girl (not at the same time!). Now they're both in such prominent positions, but opposed to one another. It will make great story one day, and I think their friendship will shine through.
What's funny is that the people who want this of course are trumptards, their lives are so empty and pathetic this would be a positive change for them.
Why are you projecting? Your account is 2 months old, with 3000 karma, you should probably spend less time on reddit being an embarrassing trumptard loser, maybe spend less time in your safe space.
lol you're another of his alt accounts, aren't you? no wonder you were so angry with me exposing his spergouts and you seemed to care more about that then the kid that spams nigger faggot kike every waking moment
Meanwhile over at T_D they think it's the next Halo game or something.
Rods from God, Emperor? Particle Beams? Radiation Guns? Tesla Directed-Energy Weapons? Star Wars Skunkworks Wunder-Waffen? Project Aurora? Sub-Orbital Kinetic Strikes? EMP Aerial Burst? IS KIM JONG UN FUCKING READY FOR THIS?!?!
wait so your living in N.korea and have a internet connection mmm?
either that or your living in guam and north korea nukes you first, theres absolutely no chance a nuclear from north korea will reach us.
Please. donnie trombone can't even get trans people kicked out of the military, and motherfuckers hate trans. Like they're going to launch a nuke on his behalf and end the world. Kelly or Mad Dog tearfully puts a bullet in Annoying Orange's brain before that happens.
Unless you're Korean, what is it that you're worried about? The only danger Americans face from this is their taxes funding the over-priced military hardware that will flatten NK and destroy any missiles from them before they get within 50 miles of a US territory.
Even if Best Korea gets nuked, it won't (directly) affect any of us in the West, really. NK's nukes can barely reach Japan, let alone Europe or the US.
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1 Ultrashitpost 2017-08-11
So WW3 will start because of a tweet.
1 lifesbrink 2017-08-11
That's something for the history books!
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-08-11
It'll be a silent spring
1 CirqueDuFuder 2017-08-11
Assuming there are books around later.
1 totalarkwar 2017-08-11
No one is going to war on North Korea's side. Even China despises them.
1 pigeondoubletake 2017-08-11
The world vs North Korea is still a world war
1 Chicup 2017-08-11
Not participating doesn't count as taking part.
1 CuteBoysEnthusiast 2017-08-11
No it isn't
1 botchlings 2017-08-11
The only people on NK's side are the media in the United States. They hate Trump more than they do North Korea.
1 -absolutego- 2017-08-11
Don't forget the shitload of tankie redditors who think NK is actually a Marxist-Leninist paradise
1 CR90 2017-08-11
Pretty sure they hate nuclear war over Trump m8y
1 botchlings 2017-08-11
I wouldn't be so sure. I'm sure there's a large contingent of journalists who are hoping NK launches a missile just so they can write a hit piece on Trump.
I can almost guarantee you that if 9/11 or Pearl Harbor happened today the majority of stories written about the event would find some way to blame the Trump administration instead of the terrorists or hostile government.
1 CR90 2017-08-11
Prob would happen to a degree, but CNN were also lapping at his ballsack for bombing Syria so who the fuck knows.
1 botchlings 2017-08-11
Violence sells copy
1 MG87 2017-08-11
Then maybe Trump shouldn't be an incompetent fuckwit?
1 botchlings 2017-08-11
He's not. The media perpetuates that myth based on nothing
1 MG87 2017-08-11
This is what stupid people actually believe
1 headasplodes 2017-08-11
mfw people unrionically believe this
1 snappleteadrink 2017-08-11
It's more that people are bored enough with their lives that they want to die but their lives aren't aggressively bad enough to really make them ever kill themselves. So they sit around all day jerkin it about the end of civ.
1 giroth 2017-08-11
Way too close to home
Except I jerk it to bussy of course, not thermonuclear war
1 old_grumpy_grandpa 2017-08-11
>not jerking it to genocidal fantasies
IS THAT HERESY I HEAR?
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-11
Reddit Speak for "America bombs the dickins out of Pyongyang and not even their closest allies in China do anything about it because they like buying US Bonds more than they enjoy selling Dprk hard tack and 40 year old weapons." /inhale/
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1 Karmaisforsuckers 2017-08-11
Yeah as much as I dislike Trump this OH NOES WW3 shit is so fucking stupid. Less stupid that the OH NOES WW3 Hillaty will start by enforcing a no fly zone against a gas station.
If Trump actually follows through and levels NK it will only raise my opinion of him
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-11
Tbh it is probably the best time to execute a coordinated attack on the DPRK. International intolerance of their threats and leadership is at an all time high, their allies are wavering hard, and it would only improve stability in the region.
The only problem would be timing the assault so that the US and any affiliated allies could take down NKs shelling abilities first so that Seoul dosent get ravaged. Luckily we have been moving in a lot of defensive tech towards the DMZ in the last two years.
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1 jajajaja21 2017-08-11
Shrewd foreign policy analysis from /u/PressFPayRespect. Like how the Iraq war brought stability to the middle east.
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1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-11
The situation in Iraq was nothing like the situation in the DPRK now. We had a president crowing about WMDs that didn't exist then versus an insane Dictator now offering a clear nuclear threat against ourselves and our allies.
Also the North Korean populace dosent have a quasi religo-political reason hatred for us or our allies outside of what they are told by their governments insane propaganda.
Most of the country is starving (the average nk resident is 3 inches shorter due to malnutrition than their southern counterpart). Most of the country is without power and basic infrastructure, this can be shown by any satellite camera. Also, a large populatoin is languishing with their family in political gulags. Allied forces coming to NK, removing Kim, and offering infrastructure and food would not be sabotaged by insurgent forces in any way like in the middle east.
You are comparing apples and machine guns.
You do realize that most of the peoole who go into the NK military do so to avoid starving, and even then they dont get enough nutrition right? This is due to the DPRKs military first policy. For example in the 90s when Japan sent aide in the form of food and fuel and it all went to the military.
International relief efforts and strengthening of NK infrastructure will endear the populace to us without Kim. Your direct parallel to Islamic radicalism post fall of the Iraqi dictator state is completely off base.
1 WithoutAComma 2017-08-11
We will be greeted as liberators, no doubt
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-11
I unironically believe this.
My foreign exchange student in high school was from Seoul, and they still have family in the north. Its incredibly heart sad, and given SK is one of the fastest growing economies on the planet, I have no doubt they would give their all on reunification post NK liberation from the regime.
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1 specter800 2017-08-11
Generations of brainwashing and isolation says otherwise. These people don't know life not under the thumb of a Kim. They're not going to stop doing the only thing they've known how to do for decades just because the ruling class gets shaken up.
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-11
There is more evidence to suggest that North Koreans are not so much programmed into their way of life so much as they must obey or see their whole family punished. Defectors and the massive gulag populations are clear evidence of this.
The only class that would conceivably be truly loyal is the population in Pyongyang, which is exclusive made up of the highest caste in Juche society. ie More affluent families, families, families of high ranking party members, and families of higher ranking military. Even then, these people leak and defect all the time.
A dog that fears its master and obeys due to abuse is not the same as a dog that loves its owner, because it trusts them implicitly with their safety and well-being.
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1 specter800 2017-08-11
And you think the fear of punishment if they don't lay down their lives in service of the motherland doesn't exist? Just because the US takes action doesn't mean they'll believe in it's success. With all the shit they've heard over their lives they have no clue how capable we are. They may very well think they have a chance of winning and if that happens and they didn't serve honorably they'll be double-fucked. When it's all over.
I don't share your optimism.
1 meatpuppet79 2017-08-11
Does America seek to occupy NK or pacify it?
1 -absolutego- 2017-08-11
If we take any action against NK we're definitely not going to be able to actually occupy the area without the Chinese getting involved.
Trump will probably just drop a MOAB on any artillery camps pointed towards Seoul and wherever US intelligence suspects they're keeping their Nuclear arsenal and call it a day.
1 specter800 2017-08-11
DPRK would be a negligable foothold in the region. China wouldn't/shouldn't care at all since SoKo is the same as the US in the region anyway.
1 -absolutego- 2017-08-11
There's a difference between a foothold in the region and sharing a land border with US-controlled territory.
1 Miguk_Saram 2017-08-11
It wouldn't be us, it would be the South Koreans doing the liberating.
1 NewStateof 2017-08-11
If we have food, beer and priests they'll be happy for it.
Hard to want to rebel when you can eat fried chicken and drink malt liquor.
1 jajajaja21 2017-08-11
You know they've been basically worshiping the Kims as near-gods for generations?
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-11
Oh yeah. I read that book by the BBC journo who went undercover with a student group into the DPRK "Undercover North Korea". He does a good job of breaking it down in pretty vivid, terrifying detail.
1 jajajaja21 2017-08-11
You should read Nothing to Envy it's a really good book about life in DPRK through the stories of defectors. The funniest one was a university student at a top school who basically Googled "How do I defect from North Korea?" at a Chinese internet cafe.
But my point is many ordinary North Koreans are plenty brainwashed and are not going to be pleased with an invading force--even one composed mostly of South Koreans.
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-11
Ill seriously check it out. F for Respect.
Excluding the one you mentioned, I have read a lot on north Korea, watch a lot of defector testimony, and know some Koreans myself.
From what I understand, the majority of people engage in the programmed behavior the government insists on out of fear, not so much because the programming itself is in control. Generational punishment for wrong think and disobedience is a hell of a prod towards acting brain washed.
That being said, I think there is more evidence to suggest these people want to be free of the Kim regime and the chains of Juche more than they want to remain in their current paradigm.
Its like I said in a previous post, they only have a large military in terms of boots to ground because being in the military is the only way to have a good chance at not starving. This was put in place by the fat bois father as part of his military first position wherein resources go to the military and the capital and then everything left goes to the wavering class, and then subsequently to the gulags if there is anything.
I think its more likely for NKoreans from all walks to take advantage of an assault on the government and any loyalist military than for mass brainwashing to kick in.
1 Teh_Jews 2017-08-11
You didn't do the Press F to pay respects thing this time...
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-11
That's where you're wrong kiddo
Press F Pay Respect harder
1 eDgEIN708 2017-08-11
You know that if they don't they get shot or sent to a labor camp, right?
1 newprofile15 2017-08-11
Dumb posts like these remind me of the Neo con retards talking about ho Iraq was going to be nothing like Vietnam.
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-11
I actually explained pretty concisely how this situation is nothing like Iraq.
Press F To Pay Respects to this users poor reading comprehension.
1 heavenlytoaster 2017-08-11
Matt and Trey, Matt and Trey, South Park neutral is the only way. Or how South Park was right again.
1 newprofile15 2017-08-11
Yea I don't know if millions of dead Koreans, no government in North Korea and the US and China fighting over the NK corpse is really going to "improve stability in the region."
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-11
This figure is retarded. There are 5 million malnourished soldiers in their military, most of which join entirely so they dont starve. You really think they are going to fight to the last man when Pyongyang is dust, Kim is gone, and their laughable air force and navy is on fire?
Chinas Government literally said they will remain neutral in any conflict or proceedings between the US and DPRK JUST YESTERDAY
Press F Pay Respect To Reading The News
1 newprofile15 2017-08-11
Tens of thousands of South Koreanswould probably die the moment war starts from artillery shelling. If a nuke gets set off in Seoul then maybe another 50k. Any kind of US attack probably 100k+ dead North Koreans at minimum. Just look at the death toll in Iraq, another stomp that ended in a few days, yet the death toll is several hundred thousand.
Also you're either a 70 year old man or a regular moron for signing your Reddit comments.
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-11
Implying that the US hasnt been tracking NK artillery positions for decades. Lol The only world where this scenario exists is a scenario wherein NK strikes by surprise. In that case, Seoul couldn't stop shelling if they wanted to. However the counter attack would be incredibly swift.
We have too much anti air defense in SK for this to happen, that's why they can only use low tech artillery against SK. In fact pretty much any missile on a attack trajectory will be destroyed any way they fire it given the surrounding countries air defenses.
15,000 died in the initial fighting of the Iraq invasion, according to best reports only 4,300 were civilian non combatants. Every war has civilian casualties.
500,000 War related deaths (i am giving you the benefit, this is the farthest most liberal number possible) havebeen calculated since the beginning of the Iraq war in 15 years. This includes all civilian casualties, soldier deaths, terrorist deaths and kills, etc. I dont see your point though.
The difference in the scenario is likely to decrease casualties on all metrics by a vast amount. The probability of it not turning into a anti insurgency campaign at least is a huge factor.
Ok i am Pressing F and giving you Respect for this one chum.
F
1 newprofile15 2017-08-11
You've basically ticked off the full neo-con before Iraq war checklist.
-our military is too advanced and knows everything, there's no way they can inflict mass casualties
-we'll be greeted as liberators, acting like there won't be an insurgency or bloodbath in the aftermath
-we have superior conventional weapons (as if NK is going to rely on conventional weapons)
-forgetting about the aftermath and acting like the initial invasion death toll is all that matters
-buying into WMD hysteria and deciding to destabilize a perfectly competent murderous dictator
Seriously even retards learn after they stick silverware into electrical sockets a few times.
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-11
In this case, given the nature of their technology, average standard of health, and the lack of international support (especially the Chinese, who have abandoned them); it is likely that the most damage they could cause is through mass surprise shelling or attacking themselves.
The people in NK are not in any way ripe for a post attack insurgency. Almost all defector content that I have seen on this issue points to 2 things
A) continued mass starvation and discontent stifled by the direct threat of the gulag, there is mass discontent but the populace is entirely unarmed and dieing for a large part.
And
B) people capitulating to the government and/or joining the military so they dont starve
The idea that the religious based fervor of Islamic insurgency would be repeated by this population is pretty terrible.
The only conventional weapons they have that are any real threat is artillery or a surprise strike by foot. Even then SK has an advanced military with superior training and weaponry, with the combined military might of the US.
I mentioned the total death toll.
F. You got me lol
Thats my kink PRESS F NOW
I will say though Iraq war comparisons are dumb, these are two situations that have nothing to do with one another besides a dictator being involved. Not every war turns into a long term counter insurgency.
1 Lions08Owen16 2017-08-11
I just want to say that I admire your commitment to the "Press F" bit.
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-11
Press F For Mutual Respect
1 searingsky 2017-08-11
Yes I am sure some nukes would bring stability to a region that is one of the most stable in the world
1 PressFPayRespect 2017-08-11
What nukes? NK barely has tech that is older than I am, and the US has conventional non nuclear weaponry that is a lightyear ahead of NK. Fear of nuclear weaponry right now is a non conversation.
Press F To Pay Respect To Military Science
1 NewStateof 2017-08-11
Nah the no fly zone against Russians and shooting down Russians is slightly more dangerous than glassing norks
1 Karmaisforsuckers 2017-08-11
America could shoot down every passenger and military plane that leaves Russian airspace and there would be literally zero consequences you dumb mook
1 heavenlytoaster 2017-08-11
Matt and Trey, Matt and Trey, South Park neutral is the only way. Or how South Park was right again.
1 NewStateof 2017-08-11
The revolution is over.
Long live the Capitalist state
HAIL SMITH
1 froibo 2017-08-11
Called it.
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-08-11
Clap clap!
1 Assy-McGee 2017-08-11
👏CLAP👏CLAP👏CLAP 👏
1 Sebaceous_Sebacious 2017-08-11
You could trace it all back to Zoe Quinn and a certain lack of ethics in game journalism.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-08-11
I'd trace it even further, to Anita Sarkeesian complaining about Mario rescuing the princess.
1 Tobans 2017-08-11
👌👌😍😩👉👌🌼🍑🌼🍑😩🍆💦💦😛
1 cheers_grills 2017-08-11
Exactly.
1 PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-08-11
Now this is wew lad posting
1 TheJum 2017-08-11
Not really - there is a pretty good argument that anti-gamergate is the impetus behind the alt-right, and it is almost definitely behind the surge in popularity of Pol and of the sort of nihilistic memeing that went on in 2016.
Let's run through it:
You had a bunch of reclusive, awkward autists get turned on by both the media and the left, all because they didn't want corruption in the coverage of their only real joy in life.
So now, aside from a love for computers and anime or whatever - combined with more free time than they know what to do with - they also have an intense distrust of the media and the left, a hatred for social justice, and (crucially) also little to no overlap with traditional conservatives.
And they then, from the little havens and corners of the Internet that had become their home, sort of just looked out upon the rest of the world, and what had once been apathetic disinterest had finally been completely replaced with bleak hostility and contempt.
"Fine," they said, "You wanted to fight demons? Well we'll give you one!"
And so now Donald J. Trump - an orange joke of a reality tv "businessman" - is President of the United Fucking States, and the world is the closest it's been to ending since the fall of the Soviet Union.
Fan-fucking-tastic.
So it's really not that much of a stretch to say that Zoe Quinn's pussy is what got Daddy elected. I find it an especially enjoyable theory because it frames the hysteria from the left in an even more hilarious context.
But YMMV.
1 heavenlytoaster 2017-08-11
So to summarize; Zoe Quinn liberated north Korea.
1 TheJum 2017-08-11
More or less, yeah.
1 Chanchumaetrius 2017-08-11
What a time to be alive
1 pigeondoubletake 2017-08-11
Absolutely excellent.
/pol/ destroyed the world.
1 TheJum 2017-08-11
It was only a matter of time, really.
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2017-08-11
It was just a prank, bro
1 cheers_grills 2017-08-11
The ultimate meme
1 Sebaceous_Sebacious 2017-08-11
I didn't think I was being original. I thought it was common knowledge that all this was her fault.
1 Maxwyfe 2017-08-11
"I regret that I have only 140 characters to give for my country!"
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-08-11
"North Korea has no counter-ICBM systems. Sad!"
1 JasonJewnova 2017-08-11
Wouldn't mind a nuclear war tbh, I'm bored af.
1 Thulean-Dragon 2017-08-11
Maybe we'll finally get to see an atomic bomb blast that wasn't recorded with a potato by a cameraman with tourettes.
1 felsoul 2017-08-11
The govt just recently released a ton of videos of nuclear tests, you should check them out.
1 JasonJewnova 2017-08-11
None on live targets tho, I wanna see some North Koreans get thermo blasted in slow motion.
1 MegaSeedsInYourBum 2017-08-11
2 nukes gave us anime. We don't need any more nuclear spawned horrors.
1 jubbergun 2017-08-11
OMG...it's just like the centipedes predicted: Trump is going to make anime real. I bet he already knows exactly how many bombs it will take to make it happen. Buckle up, buckaroos, we have IRL catgirls and tentacle monsters incoming!
1 CucksLoveTrump 2017-08-11
The socialists are going to have a meltdown
1 imaginarycreatures 2017-08-11
On one hand: catgirls. On the other hand: socialists melting down.
...not really seeing a downside here. Except for the whole "nuclear winter" thing, but I think we can learn to adapt.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-08-11
I want a nuclear warhead up my butt 💦😩
1 EmperorAcinonyx 2017-08-11
this is exactly what a night of too many beers and taco bell feels like
1 ironicshitpostr 2017-08-11
You mean, except for Trump solving global warming.
1 imaginarycreatures 2017-08-11
65D Parcheesi, I suppose.
1 Goatsac 2017-08-11
https://imgur.com/ZX0CFFo
1 Elick320 2017-08-11
Fucktons of notifications, cancerous font, and low battery, this picture hits all the marks for a good phone pic.
1 Goatsac 2017-08-11
I wish I could claim credit, honestly.
My friend sent that to me yesterday.
My shit is boring as fuck.
https://imgur.com/9xjgN32
1 ThatMormonMike 2017-08-11
We have to combat global warming somehow!
1 TheJum 2017-08-11
Donald Trump: Savior of Mother Earth.
1 ThatMormonMike 2017-08-11
He has the best environmentalists.
1 TheJum 2017-08-11
You wouldn't even believe how good his environmentalists all.
They've got plans, great plans - their plans are yuge.
You're going to love it. Definitely.
Believe me, it'll be great.
1 headasplodes 2017-08-11
Yeah fist of the north star will be real. But Bruce Lee isn't around to be the hero of the wasteland
1 Lions08Owen16 2017-08-11
Hahaha, I forgot they called themselves centipedes.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-08-11
This but unironically
1 better_bot 2017-08-11
Hold up, I'm supposed to re-up tomorrow.
1 pigeondoubletake 2017-08-11
I just got stationed in Pacific command, how do you think I feel
1 haikubot-1911 2017-08-11
I just got stationed
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- pigeondoubletake
I'm a bot made by /u/Eight1911. I detect haiku.
1 Assy-McGee 2017-08-11
bad bot
1 icyhat 2017-08-11
I'm a pretty simple person, I just hate humanity.
1 j1l1l1 2017-08-11
Do you live in Seoul?
1 diversity_is_toxic 2017-08-11
I want to see some mushroom clouds recorded with HD cell phone cameras. Like the 9/11 footage. Would the EMP blast kill all electronics within a certain radius?
1 headasplodes 2017-08-11
Trump is a stupid lieing blowhard but when he's posturing on twitter he's 100% definitely going to follow through for real omg literally shaking rn
1 jajajaja21 2017-08-11
Trump's not gonna do shit, but the DPRK probably doesn't have our well-earned Trump skepticism. They might take him at his word and fire ze missiles.
1 xKillerDreag 2017-08-11
Hot take: FUCK dr*mpf
Also hot take: rip stock market
1 EarnestNoMeta 2017-08-11
I'm gonna hot take a dump in your mouth
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-08-11
Cum in mouth daddy 🍆💦👅😩
1 specter800 2017-08-11
Are you kidding? All that nice glassy real estate to set up more regulation-free plants and cheap labor would be amazing for business.
1 ThatDamnedImp 2017-08-11
North Korea is small enough to be easily taken care of with non-nuclear weapons.
This is just a bunch of little kids spazing out because they didn't get to live during the actual cold war. There are zero scenarios in which this actually leads to nuclear war. Maybe North Korea nukes something with their low-yield warheads, but i doubt even that.
What's the alternative, though? We do nothing, wait until they have better nuclear missiles and then have a real nuclear war?
1 jajajaja21 2017-08-11
I mean, NK supposedly has nukes + ICBMs that can hit the west coast of the USA.
Press F for Los Angeles, San Fran and Honolulu I guess.
1 caffienatedjedi 2017-08-11
and nothing of value was lost, except maybe Hawaii.
1 JumbledFun 2017-08-11
and like 20% of the economy
1 fight_for_our_future 2017-08-11
(((Economy)))
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-08-11
(((Money)))
1 Assy-McGee 2017-08-11
we'd have to start importing avocados from New Zealand. Can you imagine having your gauc held hostage by sheep-fuckers like /u/comedicsans ? kill me now
1 NewStateof 2017-08-11
California would survive.
San Fran or LA those bastions of (((Left))) voters wouldn't
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-08-11
Hey you take that back you big ol' meanie! :(
1 froibo 2017-08-11
There's no way it would get that far before getting shot down.
1 jajajaja21 2017-08-11
Maybe. Our expensive-ass anti-ballistic missile star wars defense thing is mostly vaporware. NK missiles are shitty, so it might work, but it might not. If I remember right, the defense system has worked about 50% of the time in tests.
1 froibo 2017-08-11
Well I don't think we would try just once if they were sending a nuke.
1 jajajaja21 2017-08-11
I'm not an expert, but I think you only get one shot at it. ICBMs come in very fast. The advantage is that once it goes ballistic (i.e. after the rocket shuts off), you can (theoretically, if you have enough data and can process it) calculate the trajectory and figure out exactly where it's going to go next, and aim your interceptor there.
But if your interceptor misses, I don't think you get another shot, because it's already impacted.
1 froibo 2017-08-11
I'm not an expert myself, but if it's a single threat, and you have multiple antimissle stations, you would be able to calculate and stage multiple attempts to the point success is a near certainty.
Either that or we spend all that fucking money for nothing.
1 jajajaja21 2017-08-11
Have you ever worked for a military contractor?
1 skeetsurfing1984 2017-08-11
I mean, we're not restricted to just one shot like in tests. We could fire more than one ABM at every incoming ICBM.
1 yetanothercfcgrunt 2017-08-11
Shot down with what?
1 NewStateof 2017-08-11
I hope they nuke San Fran.
Irradiated faggots would be lit A/F
1 Lions08Owen16 2017-08-11
They can hit Alaska, but the West Coast is out of range.
1 botchlings 2017-08-11
I think the most likely scenario is that they fire a ICBM at Guam and we retaliate with overwhelming non-nuclear force.
Even the worst case scenario where NK fires a missile at the west coast, there's no way the US (or any other country that isn't NK) would use nukes.
1 jajajaja21 2017-08-11
a) Trump is retarded and doesn't understand why we have nukes if we're not going to use them.
b) If DPRK managed to nuke, say, Los Angeles, the US will probably retaliate with nukes.
1 djlewt 2017-08-11
c) If America actually fires any nukes at anything there are still systems in Russia that will fire back, even if we don't nuke Russia. I believe we also have this, so welcome to nuclear winter.
1 botchlings 2017-08-11
See my response above. The ramifications of the US launching nuclear weapons, except as a last resort, are far too great for them to use them on North Korea.
1 botchlings 2017-08-11
He's really not. You don't become president of the United States without having above average intelligence. Remember, having opinions you don't agree with does not make someone dumb.
Also not true.
Highly doubtful. The ramifications of the United States using a nuclear weapon except as a last resort would make it highly unlikely that the US would respond to a singular, low yield, nuclear missile with a nuclear launch of it's own.
Besides, we have non-nuclear weapons that are just as destructive. A single MOAB in the middle of Pyongyang would likely be more destructive than any nuclear device that North Korea currently has.
1 jajajaja21 2017-08-11
Apparently you can. Have you listened to any interviews the guy gives? He's probably going daffy like old Ronnie.
1 -absolutego- 2017-08-11
You mistake deliberately dumbing down his speech in order to relate better with his target audience with actually being stupid.
It's the same thing with George W. Bush - he doesn't naturally talk with that folksy Texan persona, he only adopted it after he got spanked in his first run for the House of Representatives by a Texan Democrat painting him as an overly-intellectual Yankee carpetbagger.
1 RedBearRunner 2017-08-11
"Deliberately dumbing down his speech" Lol
1 cheers_grills 2017-08-11
Take an average person, then realise half of them are even more stupid, then speak simply enough to make even them understand what you are saying.
1 Steveisnotcaptain 2017-08-11
Fuck off back to the duck traitor
1 JamesRobotoMD 2017-08-11
You have no idea what you are talking about. MOAB hits at 11 tons of TNT, little boy, the first nuclear bomb ever made, hit at 16,000 tons. You are talking out your ass and can't even get the orders of magnitude right on this shit.
1 botchlings 2017-08-11
Not really.
A MOAB in the middle of Pyongyang is going to cause massive amounts of destruction and will cripple the city just as well as a nuclear device would.
Also, we have no real idea what sort of device NK has at the moment. It could be a hell of a lot less destructive than "Little Boy"
1 JamesRobotoMD 2017-08-11
A MOAB will cripple the city much less because it has a much smaller destructive force (1000 times less energy released) and has no fallout.
There is zero reason to think that weapons North Korea has developed are going to be way shittier than the first ever nuclear weapon. They didn't start from scratch and they have better available tech and tools to work with. Plus actual estimates of their conducted tests put the bomb over 10,000 tons.
1 UmmahSultan 2017-08-11
As an added bonus, Democrats tend to live in the big cities, so if they get nuked then California can go red, thus guaranteeing Trump a second and perhaps third term.
1 Lions08Owen16 2017-08-11
The Koreans can't hit California. Guam and Alaska only. Everything else is out of range.
1 ThatDamnedImp 2017-08-11
LOL, if that's all it took to start a nuclear war, we'd have had like 12 already.
We won't retaliate with nukes because 1) we don't need to, and 2) the fallout will affect other countries, and they will blame us for that.
1 LSU_Coonass 2017-08-11
the united states cant fundamentally be destroyed or crippled with non-nuclear weapons, north korea can, thats the difference
1 jajajaja21 2017-08-11
NK is already a shitty crippled country.
Millions of people can die in either country.
1 Neon_needles 2017-08-11
nothin' gonna happen but if it did the world after all this refugee shit is going to laugh it's fucking balls off when it sees how China would deal with the massive NK flood.
1 lets-start-a-riot 2017-08-11
Inb Mexico builds a wall to prevent tje murican exodus 😂😂
1 fernguts 2017-08-11
Hopefully Japan will take in a few refugees, for once. (assuming of course that they still exist)
1 kanadskiy 2017-08-11
Oddly enough, they kinda did before
And the Korean-Japanese all love the shit out of north Korea
1 LSU_Coonass 2017-08-11
south korea has a pretty extensive contingency plan for the fall of the kim regime re:millions of uneducated and malnourished korean refugees
1 Neon_needles 2017-08-11
Rape them and eat them??
1 LSU_Coonass 2017-08-11
i wish
1 ownersinc 2017-08-11
Implying China wouldn't just exterminate them and move on
1 nmx179 2017-08-11
P sure he's implying that's exactly what they would do
1 grotesquecel 2017-08-11
do it pussy
1 fight_for_our_future 2017-08-11
based pussy poster
1 pepperouchau 2017-08-11
U won't
1 grotesquecel 2017-08-11
give me the launch codes and watch me faget
1 soylent_absinthe 2017-08-11
1 grotesquecel 2017-08-11
Some of you guys are alright don't go to pyongyang tomorrow
1 pepperouchau 2017-08-11
Ahh damn there goes my Saturday plans
1 ShitCommentBelow 2017-08-11
Oddly enough, that was quite literally the code until 1977.
1 WistopherWalken 2017-08-11
It's hunter1 now.
1 mrcolon96 2017-08-11
guest
1 takaci 2017-08-11
It's all talk
1 SocialJusticeYamcha 2017-08-11
Im so glad killary isnt president, she would be starting ww3 with NK and russia. im so glad we have donald trump who wants peace and non intervention!!!!!
SAD!
1 botchlings 2017-08-11
The problem with Hillary's Warmongering was never North Korea. It was always the middle east. Specifically, getting us directly involved in a conflict with Russia over Syria.
US diplomacy has never worked with North Korea and it never will. Clinton, Bush, and Obama all had a chance to solve the North Korea problem before they reached nuclear status and they didn't. Now there aren't really many options left.
1 WistopherWalken 2017-08-11
Tbh I could totally go for some casual boots on the ground in the ME right about now. None of that committal shit tho, I want me a couple month long hot and heavy fling.
1 JamesRobotoMD 2017-08-11
Obama had no such chance, they went nuclear in like 2005.
The nuclear deterrent is the only the only or perhaps even the main issue, war with North Korea comes with a 300K death toll just off artilliary and conventional arms. People forget that even 40 year old soviet shit can blast the fuck out of cities at like 600 miles.
The military offer on the table has always been trade hundreds of thousands of South Korean and Japanese lives for an end to the North Korean problem. As of yet no one has thought that to be a very good deal.
1 botchlings 2017-08-11
Obama had several chances to put an end to North Korea's nuclear weapons program. As did Bush, Clinton, and Bush Sr.
It's not, but ultimately it's the endgame for NK because diplomacy doesn't work with them. An internal coup could also solve the problem but I don't see that happening.
1 JamesRobotoMD 2017-08-11
Sure, if they wanted to pay the price of hundreds of thousands of lives. But you said Obama had a chance to deal with the problem before they went nuclear, which was what I was disagreeing with.
That's a completely defeatist viewpoint. Diplomacy hasn't worked because China has their back. Split them off and you start to starve the regime of the resources it needs to maintain control.
1 Thhueros 2017-08-11
Would not at all be surprised if China is heavily supporting an NK coup at the moment.
1 AnnArchist 2017-08-11
I've been advocating for eliminating NK leadership since about 2002-3ish - when I first heard Bill Clinton call Iran, Iraq and North Korea an Axis of evil in a speech. I subsequently learned about Camp 14. I realized then that their leadership doesn't deserve to share the planet with us morally superior muricans.
If Daddy wipes NK without nukes and frees those in the death camps - He would go from a pretty mediocre and limp dicked POTUS to a president who somehow did more for humanity than any since Roosevelt.
Funny part - he doesn't have to do shit to do it. We have enough drones to have them running 8 hour shifts along the NK + SK border non stop, wiping out and spotting artillery batteries nearly instantly. The border still wouldn't allow for ground crossings thanks to minefields. Even if they tried - we have sufficient minefields in place already, both our ground bases in SK and our fleet in the Pacific is more than sufficient to dispatch their entire military quickly.
Best of all, leadership will be easy to find. They will be the ones with consumer automobiles. I mean, just kill their entire political class there by simply targeting anyone with a normal car.
Finally - instead of bombing inland, just drop food, water, dvds with a message from America and pamplets. Also drop some sort of system to provide free wifi / internet to them. Nationwide full internet would probably topple the regime as fast as anything else would.
1 djlewt 2017-08-11
TL;DR- The ramblings of an autist that knows absolutely nothing about geopolitics and world economic stability and wants Trump to just go in, dick swinging, because fuck the entire world economy, why not destroy that and start a war with China?(this is what taking out NK will do, if you had any sort of education in world history you'd know this) Also the South Koreans would prefer to remain unnuked.
1 AnnArchist 2017-08-11
Id vote we just give China half of NK as a gift
1 Assy-McGee 2017-08-11
they wouldn't take it even if we paid them to. millions of refugees swarming into the mainland is the opposite of what they want.
1 Xenepa 2017-08-11
I don't think North Korea is that important on the world stage of economics.
1 cheers_grills 2017-08-11
I wanted to see them nuked, by sniping them with drones is going to cause even more drama, so I support it.
1 SethRichOrDieTryin 2017-08-11
Hmm TIL the best way to avoid South Korea getting nuked is to allow the leader of a death cult nation-state develop his nuclear program unfettered.
1 johnr754 2017-08-11
TIL Bill Clinton served 3 terms
1 AnnArchist 2017-08-11
He doesnt stop speaking after his terms up...
1 jajajaja21 2017-08-11
gr8 b8 m8
1 RestoreFear 2017-08-11
lul
1 specter800 2017-08-11
The elites in DPRK are all powerhungry pedos who don't want to stand trial for their crimes. Part of me thinks any kind of "liberation" attempt would quickly turn into a massive hostage situation. That and the whole of the population committing suicide like the Japs in WWII due to all the propaganda they've heard about America.
1 AnnArchist 2017-08-11
Paper drops. Buy usb drives from china and drop them w txt files
its a different planet now. send them videos of american movies. chocolate. shit like that.
1 Chicup 2017-08-11
We wouldn't nuke anyways, NK's antiquated air defenses couldn't handle a "shock and awe" style blitz.
1 eDgEIN708 2017-08-11
Yeah I really don't understand how retarded you'd have to be to assume that he's actually talking about nuking them.
1 yetanothercfcgrunt 2017-08-11
You don't have to be retarded, you just have to believe that he is.
Which he is.
1 eDgEIN708 2017-08-11
That's retarded.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-11
Here's what I need to know before I decide:
Do North Korean refugees form rape-gangs?
1 giroth 2017-08-11
Are you thinking of defecting so you can join a rape-gang?
1 Raven0520 2017-08-11
That was a different Red Army.
1 Pepperglue 2017-08-11
Shows story of Trump having a mistress
Is this the best counter it can give? Should have look for a story of how Obama could have ended everything the peaceful way.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-11
NK doesn't have working iCBMs: "We should not do anything, they can't hurt us!"
NK does have working iCBMs: "We should not do anything, they can hurt us!"
The mind of a pussy-ass bitch.
1 yetanothercfcgrunt 2017-08-11
Before they had ICBMs or even nukes they still could've shelled the living fuck out of Seoul before we could stop them.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-11
Nuclear fuel can melt steel beams!
1 NationalDenbt 2017-08-11
I feel like if the. North does get glassed then I'll hear about it first from an r/drama post with "daddy" in the title.
I'm not too sure how to feel about that.
1 PostItAndPiffIt 2017-08-11
Press F to post radioactive bussy
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-11
I'll be laughing at you guys in the British Isles while you scavenge for dead rats to eat in your nuclear vaults.
1 HINDBRAIN 2017-08-11
I'll sell you a rat for only 1000000 pounds. Better reinvest them before they dip further though!
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-11
I only deal in bitcoins
1 DuBBle 2017-08-11
Amazing to think that Trump and Un grew up in the same home-town together, went to the same high-school and even dated the same girl (not at the same time!). Now they're both in such prominent positions, but opposed to one another. It will make great story one day, and I think their friendship will shine through.
1 slopeclimber 2017-08-11
what am I reading
1 The_Frenchiest_Fry_ 2017-08-11
Donald Trump fan fiction.
1 1337hax1337 2017-08-11
Not at the same time tho no need to overreact
1 glmox 2017-08-11
that girl? hillary clinton
1 Lions08Owen16 2017-08-11
I need to see this porno. Trump and Kim spit roasting Marine Lepen.
1 pigeondoubletake 2017-08-11
Lost interest boring
1 Jacksambuck 2017-08-11
Relax, nothing will happen, I guarantee it, it's fine. Worst case scenario, I live in europe anyway.
1 dogbref 2017-08-11
living in europe is always the worst case scenario
1 YarharALC 2017-08-11
HOLY FUCKING SHIT I DIDN'T COME IN HERE TO WITNESS A BRUTALITY
1 Imaketrumptardsquit 2017-08-11
What's funny is that the people who want this of course are trumptards, their lives are so empty and pathetic this would be a positive change for them.
Like this embarrassing as fuck sperg:
/u/KigurumiMajin
http://imgur.com/gallery/9KxVpX8
lol
1 cheers_grills 2017-08-11
Oi vei, he revealed us
1 NewStateof 2017-08-11
-4000 votes
Do you not do anything besides reddit?
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2017-08-11
Holy shit, seriously, I've had some people pretty far in the red but once you reach -100 it becomes obsession at that point.
1 Imadeyouquitbitch 2017-08-11
Did you expect the person who spams "nigger faggot kike" over and over to get upvotes or something?
Don't be a retard
1 NewStateof 2017-08-11
Why did you make a new account is it because you got banned?
1 Imadeyouquitbitch 2017-08-11
Why are you projecting? Your account is 2 months old, with 3000 karma, you should probably spend less time on reddit being an embarrassing trumptard loser, maybe spend less time in your safe space.
lol you're another of his alt accounts, aren't you? no wonder you were so angry with me exposing his spergouts and you seemed to care more about that then the kid that spams nigger faggot kike every waking moment
sad
1 NewStateof 2017-08-11
Literally making a new account
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1 Imadeyouquitbitch 2017-08-11
lol your account is 2 months old retard, I wonder what happened to the last one
stick to your safe space you fatbodied pussy, you get absolutely dominated when you leave it :0
1 jajajaja21 2017-08-11
Meanwhile over at T_D they think it's the next Halo game or something.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-11
I, too, am furious about T_D
1 doughboy011 2017-08-11
RREEEEEEE
1 cheers_grills 2017-08-11
Say what you want, this sounds way more fun.
1 Manguru 2017-08-11
wait so your living in N.korea and have a internet connection mmm? either that or your living in guam and north korea nukes you first, theres absolutely no chance a nuclear from north korea will reach us.
1 thesnakeinthegarden 2017-08-11
Please. donnie trombone can't even get trans people kicked out of the military, and motherfuckers hate trans. Like they're going to launch a nuke on his behalf and end the world. Kelly or Mad Dog tearfully puts a bullet in Annoying Orange's brain before that happens.
1 NewStateof 2017-08-11
North Korea won't start WW3 as much as we want to see them glassed
1 LemonScore 2017-08-11
Unless you're Korean, what is it that you're worried about? The only danger Americans face from this is their taxes funding the over-priced military hardware that will flatten NK and destroy any missiles from them before they get within 50 miles of a US territory.
1 Unruly_tism 2017-08-11
My dick is ready
1 TonyFuckingDanza 2017-08-11
Lol if you think us nuking that tiny little Cold War afterthought will result in anything but annihilation of their entire military.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-11
As a huge socialist fanboi, I am certain that Best Korea can definitely hit small target with their homemade rocket(s)
1 c3534l 2017-08-11
Dear god, I hope WWIII isn't announced on Twitter. Please.
1 Deutschbag_ 2017-08-11
Even if Best Korea gets nuked, it won't (directly) affect any of us in the West, really. NK's nukes can barely reach Japan, let alone Europe or the US.