Josh " I'm a male feminist" Whedon. He once again proves that menslib are just a side sub for all the redpill users alts and also their new plan to get laid.
Rich famous accomplished guy married to boring mediocre woman gets a little on the side, boo hoo. As if there's a straight man who wouldn't take the opportunity to nail Eliza Dushku in her prime.
He always had a lot of female friends, but he told me it was because his mother raised him as a feminist, so he just liked women better. He said he admired and respected females, he didn’t lust after them. I believed him and trusted him.
It's the same for girls too, girls who "prefer boys as friends" and "don't have many girl friends" are 10 times out of 10 huge sluts who adore the attention of being passed around and used by their male friends.
No man prefers to hang out with women unless he wants to get laid
This. I don't think I've ever had a female friend that I wouldn't have boned.
Likewise, in my single days, if I was hanging out with a woman it was because I was trying to get her in bed and if that wasn't a possibility we probably weren't hanging out long...
Whedon often hires the same actors for his projects, and has been described as "the gravitational center of the Whedonverse, a galaxy that spins recurring actors and themes through an orbital system of TV shows, films and comic books that all share similar traits: a unique brand of witty dialogue, relatable characters and fantasy/sci-fi mythology". Note: Due to Whedon's frequent casting of the same actors in various projects, the above list only includes those that have played three or more different roles in a Whedon production; actors that have only played the same role in multiple Whedon productions are not included. Stan Lee's parts are cameos, similar to those he has had in many other Marvel productions.
I don't get that shit, if you have all that money and influence, why not just go get a hooker? Seems simpler than giving someone a contract for while television project based on how well she fucks insteadvof how well she acts.
Maybe Penn just likes to laugh every time Alyson Hannigan acts awkwardly on-stage, knowing there's going to be a little tete-a-taine, oops, I mean "tete-a-tete" before the next series of shows are taped.
Also, it's all fun and games until the Pink Ranger look-alike turns out to be the actual Pink Ranger, complete with Chris Hansen retinue.
Are ya sure? Because personally when I think feminism, I think "barefoot kung-fu teenage ninja" and quite frankly I can't really process that that idea wasn't conceived with total respect and admiration of strong female character.
u/robertjhill, is this actual sarcastic banter? on Ghazi?
I guess? Do they usually ban that kind of stuff? I'm only a casual poster but it looks like there are other people in the thread busting his chops too.
Mostly they just take everything Very Seriously, even by feminist standards. For instance, you'll notice that the person replying to you there totally missed the sarcasm.
It's ironic, considering that the sub was built to make fun of people who clearly take vidya too seriosly.
I will never not do a double take when I see a photo of Joss Whedon's truly enormous head. It defies comprehension that a person can have a noggin that size and shape, and this is compounded when you learn that the owner of this head can still manage to bang woman. Admittedly, his (ex)wife looks like a tranny, but I'm sure he would have hit some attractive women in his time.
I usually find cheating on a long term partner is more of a sign of someone being a weak and shitty person, but not sexist. He would likely cheat on a male partner if he was gay.
This is sort of how I feel about this. What the fuck does any of it have to do with sexism. He's just an asshole. You can be an asshole and hold onto the ideals of feminism. You just have to admit that you're an asshole and that your shitty actions aren't due to some inherent female flaw or male 'spread seed' as though one was a bird fucking bee.
Yeah, if anything he was empowering multiple women multiple times at the cost of one woman. The math checks out for a net feminist power gain. I say he's a hero.
Whilst I'm no fan of Whedon's sanctimonious feminism, the fact that he's slept around doesn't really alter the validity of his opinions. Surely feminists can sleep around too? Or is feminism a kind of priesthood, now?
With mainstream feminism anyone in the world can be a woman (for men, through accepting they are trans - just like nonbelievers can accept christ) and become saved.
TERFs believe only some are elected (XX chromosome) to be even capable of being saved. If you're a male, you're eternally damned, the best you can do is accept radical feminism just so you can see with more clarity that you are damned.
With mainstream feminism anyone in the world could be a woman (for men, through accepting they are trans - just like any nonbeliever can accept christ) and become saved.
TERFs believe only some are elected (XX chromosome) to be even capable of being saved. If you're a male, you're eternally damned, the best you can do is accept radical feminism just so you can see with more clarity that you are not among the saved (even if you've cut your dick off).
Well, it kinda does. If you're gonna lecture others about how to treat women, maybe you shouldn't use your position as a showmaker to cheat, gaslight your wife and then pressure actresses into sleeping with you to advance their career. That's just my hot take, though.
Well feminism isn't just about how to treat women. Helping create strong powerful women or just believing that women are strong can classify him as a feminist. His mistakes don't overshadow his beliefs imo.
Also a representative of Joss did say that this is filled with lies and inaccuracies. To me it looks like a scorned lover trying to do the most damage by taking something that Joss values (his beliefs and how it defines him) but since we don't know both sides, I think its very easy to assume that he and/or she is innocent or guilty.
You're being too objective and fair and it's frankly disgusting. Please do your part for this 'community' to blow everything out of proportion and make it as dramatic as possible.
I've decided Joss Whedon is guilty based on my feelings and a tabloid article, please validate this or call me a shitstain and start an over the top argument about feminism, goddamit.
Eron Gjoni (or however you spell that Turkish or Azerbaijani or whatever-the-fuck shit he calls a name) was a incel stalker one step down from Hapas-Saint Eliot Rodgers.
He laid his pitiful inability to sexually satify a blue-haired hambeast with shit tattoos out for the world to see and thus made an absolute fool of himself.
True. I just think this entire situation and the assumptions made are completely based on one biased account of events. Joss's rep could be saying the truth or could just be employing the most basic pr strategy. Unless Joss does come out and reveal his side of things, all the narrative is dependent on is his wife speaking the truth, which isn't that probable. What gain does she have by ruining her husband's reputation?
I agree with you that Whedon's wife could be lying. If they're going through a bad divorce, ruining the reputation Whedon has built up over the years is a finale 'fuck you' to him. She gets revenge.
On the other hand, why would Whedon admit to this if it was true. It would ruin his career.
We don't know who is lying or what really happened. It's a fun drama rollarcoaster, though.
I don't think it would ruin his career. His directing and writing ability isn't harmed. At most, some execs. wouldn't like him that much. But he is already signed on for DC films. He would lose some of his reputation and people would lose respect for him but that's at most what I can see happenning.
Also setting the record straight could get people back to his side. He can admit that he cheated but if he explains it as if he only did it once and when he came clean, told the truth, and asked for a divorce, his wife blew up and exposed him to the world. But we don't know if that is the truth or if she is telling the truth. Its a "he said, she said" situation with one side barely saying anything. I don't think its necessarily fun since so many people are hating on him for something that could easily be fake. I think everyone here or on the internet should calm down and actually think about what the context here is for the statements.
You are assuming that he did write these female as strong characters only because the actresses slept with him. Also him supporting (when he created the characters and promoted them in the industry) and believing in the feminist movement classifies him as a feminist.
Or he wrote strong roles and scripts that called for older actresses to make sure he had plent of pretty old actresses.
You do realize that we can make up whatever scenario we want. All we do know are the statements from his wife who sounds like a scorned lover and someone who says that its a lie. Believe what you want to support your narrative that Joss just wanted to sleep with young actresses.
How do we know she's a victim? For all we know she could be lying and just a scorned lover after he husband wanted a divorce? You don't know if she's the victim. Neither do i. So stop assuming things based on only one account.
So you are taking only one account of events to be true? You must be so trusting. There is no matter of rape here and I can go against that since there is only a story to support her side. There is no evidence besides her account of events.
I feel like you are trolling so I'm going to ignore you now. Have a good day!
Why not? So many people have done it before. A husband or wife is honest about his/her infidelity and the opposing partner explodes and tries to ruin the others' reputation and life. Basic strategy of a scorned lover.
If we are to believe her, Joss's wife is a victim of lying and being in a relationship with an unfaithful man. At the same time, she could be exaggerating details and straight up lying. Maybe Joss didn't cheat and just wanted a divorce. His wife took matters into her own hands and tried to ruin his reputation for leaving her. We don't know know whether Joss's wife is telling the truth about any account, nobody has corroborated this story. So nobody knows if she is actually a victim at all or on the opposite side if she's telling the complete truth.
You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
I love Buffy, Firefly and Dollhouse. I used to freaking love Joss Whedon. It's a shame he turned out to be such a twat. Or maybe he always was a cunt, idk.
Does anyone find it hilarious/alarming just how many male feminists tend to be really shitty towards the women in their lives? It's starting to feel like men who believe 'all men are sexist' are doing it to justify and hide their own fucked up views on women.
I think he has a point. Drama is the sub people are drawn too after they get banned for being too left on a right sub or too right in a left sub. Radical centrists only.
Bit ironic bitching about being banned when you post on the donald. They ban everyone who so much as mildly criticises their batshit conspiracy theories and hurt their feelings.
That is a sub specifically for organizing support for a political candidate. Bit different from "worldnews" or "ask reddit", which are general purpose threads.
Well, either it's okay for mods to agenda ban or it's not. If you have a subreddit that claims it fight for free speech, maybe you shouldn't ban people with differing opinion. It seems hypocritical.
Well, no. It is ok for mods to ban people going into /r/PortlandTrailblazers to disrupt discussion of the Portland Trailblazers and call fans of the Portland Trailblazers Nazis. It is not ok to ban people for talking about the Portland Trailblazers in /r/basketball.
But look at what the donald has become. It's irrational, it's paranoid, it's hypocritical in it's beliefs, and it won't accept any criticism. It censors news. It believes ridiculous conspiracy theories such as pizzagate. A child could disprove those conspiracy theories.
It is one of the biggest Trump communities on the internet and it makes every Donald Trump voter look ridiculous. You can probably tell I don't like the donald subreddit, but I do try to read pro-Trump articles and listen to Donald Trump voters and try to understand where they are coming from. I think (or hope) most people understand that not every person who voted or support Trump is racist or authoritarian. however the donald, as much it blames the main stream media, has helped build that shitty reputation.
When it comes to politics, you need to listen to different opinions in order to prevent radicalisation. That's why, in my opinion, the basketball comparison doesn't work. No one is going to become a extremist and try to kill people because someone banned criticism of the Portland Trailblazers. The donald advertised the Unite The Right rally and look at the type of people that showed up at Charlottesville.
When you ban any political disagreement, the nutjobs in your ideology show up and try to spread. They try to manipulate and scare people into following them. This is what has happened in the donald.
Td is shit, but I never ever for a single moment expected better from them: they are a circlejerk by construction, they are here to cheer at Daddy and that's it.
When r/news upvotes ten gorillions articles about how drumpf is totally a fascist and one article about Trump getting two scoops of ice cream, I can say I expected a little better from them.
I agree, /r/news is a bad subreddit but I think it's always been like that. All the posts are sensational articles in order to get the most upvotes or to further your agenda that day.
I don't you should seriously get either your news or politics from reddit. It can be a fun website to share opinions on but only if you don't take it too seriously.
The very short and extra gay version then: When you don't expose yourself to political diversity, you have a higher chance of becoming radicalised. Look at what happened at Charlottesville.
The_Donald is for supporting The Donald. /r/politics is for discussing politics, generally. If you aren't a supporter of the President, The_Donald is not 4 u
I try to keep my heroes entirely fictional -- so if some author or screenwriter tells a different version or a part I don't like, I can just ignore it-- doesn't count as denying reality since it's all made up anyway.
I dunno that I held Joss as a "hero" per se, but-- turns out I looked up to him or at least to his well earned place in geek culture way more than I should have.
At this point it's not alarming it's just expected. No wonder so many hardcore feminist women have so much hatred for men. Look at the ones they surround themselves with.
Remember back when Republicans disliked gay people and yet every six months one of them would be outed having a gay affair? And it was usually the ones yelling the loudest about how being gay was sinful?
These liberal ultra-feminists are just the modern version of that. They can't be comfortable with who they are, so instead of adopting a happy bachelor lifestyle, they embrace feminism 110% to repress their "sinful" urges.
I love Buffy, Firefly and Dollhouse. I used to freaking love Joss Whedon. It's a shame he turned out to be such a twat. Or maybe he always was one, idk.
you can think someone is a twat and still enjoy what they create.
Does anyone else find it alarming just how many male feminists tend to be really shitty towards the women in their lives?
Not to bring up GG...
But let's just say that in the game of: "Which men in that culture war have later been found out to be pedos/rapists/girlfriend abusers/girlfriend murderers".... The counter in the anti-SJW/gg column is 0, and the count in the "feminist ally" column is not.
They believe in shit like patriarchy and men being oppressive and all of them being rapists because that is how they think. And because they're too stupid to realize that they're just a shit human being, they assume that all men must be just like them.
But let's just say that in the game of: "Which men in that culture war have later been found out to be pedos/rapists/girlfriend abusers/girlfriend murderers".... The counter in the anti-SJW/gg column is 0, and the count in the "feminist ally" column is not.
Is really this true? I don't care about gamergate but I do know that nutters like Davis Aurini supported it and he is pretty "anti-sjw". I'm not saying everyone within gamergate is like that, but I think you will always find weirdos in communities, especially on the internet. Might want to have a hard look at your own community before making a statement like that.
But I do agree there have be a good few reports of feminist men turning out to be very creepy individuals. It's enough that it would make me hesitate going on a date with a feminist anyway.
It's starting to feel like TYPE OF PERSON who believe 'all TYPE OF PERSON are NEGATIVE ATTRIBUTE' are doing it to justify and hide their own NEGATIVE ATTRIBUTE.
Seems kind of a no-shit conclusion when you break it down, don't you think?
Wait, so gamerghazi thinks cheating on your partner, lying to them about it, gas lighting them when they bring up their concerns, etc... that's abusive and anti feminist?
And spreading what they did online is a good thing?
His statement: "A spokesperson for Joss Whedon provided the following response, “While this account includes inaccuracies and misrepresentations which can be harmful to their family, Joss is not commenting, out of concern for his children and out of respect for his ex-wife.”"
It seems like the only evidence she has is that he cheated on her. I dont see how thats an unfeminist act. Tons of women cheat. And they use bullshit reasons to do it too. And she also claims to have ptsd from being cheated on. Ive cheated on a bunch of women. I dont think any of them got ptsd. I dont think that's evidence i hate women either. I just dont think relationships matter.
It's easy to say "keep your d in your pants" from the sideline , but artists are often self destructive creatures who dance on the line of self righteous authority leaders.
Not defending his actions in any way. Just saying that we live in an era where the Author's face is as well known as their work. I couldn't help but wonder if JK Rowling's original Baby Daddy had come out with something like this - if it would have been taken with so much "this is probably 100% true" but that's a different convo for a different day.
To some degree I feel bad for their kids. A divorce in private is hard enough on a high school kid. But dirty laundry coming out from Mom that trends on twitter is pretty shitty.
How is infidelity related to related to feminism? Suppose he wrote and said all the same things but he was gay and stepping out on his husband, would that make him a hypocrite?
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1 SnapshillBot 2017-08-20
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1 mehforeverybody 2017-08-20
Looks like Whedon's bussy will be blasted by armchair feminists soon....
1 dogbref 2017-08-20
Sensitive Joss Whedon
1 mehforeverybody 2017-08-20
Josh " I'm a male feminist" Whedon. He once again proves that menslib are just a side sub for all the redpill users alts and also their new plan to get laid.
1 MagicGainbow 2017-08-20
I really wish that were the case.
1 TinyJibble 2017-08-20
...and now it's canon. r/menslib is where Chad LARPs out his weird cuckold fantasies. What a magical world we live in.
1 NoRealsOnlyFeels 2017-08-20
That's so clunky. Please shorten it
1 dogbref 2017-08-20
that's right, Jay.
1 NoRealsOnlyFeels 2017-08-20
Can we mod Rich Evans?
1 grungebot5000 2017-08-20
Sensi J-Whed
1 aj_thenoob 2017-08-20
Who is he?
1 LeFabulousFaggot 2017-08-20
Would anyone be surprised, anyone that virtue signals that hard clearly has a closet of skeletons.
1 captainpriapism 2017-08-20
he overcompensates so hard
1 deere442 2017-08-20
for you
1 PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-08-20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPfx_jFZQuI
1 nmx179 2017-08-20
Rich famous accomplished guy married to boring mediocre woman gets a little on the side, boo hoo. As if there's a straight man who wouldn't take the opportunity to nail Eliza Dushku in her prime.
1 mehforeverybody 2017-08-20
I mean she's only 36 and still looks hot.
1 TinyJibble 2017-08-20
24 years past her prime, tbh
1 boyoyoyoyong 2017-08-20
When he said he preferred to hang out with women she should have known. No man prefers to hang out with women unless he wants to get laid
1 subpoutine 2017-08-20
To be fair, his wife is retarded:
1 ThatDamnedImp 2017-08-20
She believed a man who claimed not to lust after woman. As a woman. So why did she think he wanted her?
This is like a woman telling you that she loves you for your mind.
1 odintal 2017-08-20
Obviously he was interested in her for her charm, intellect, and feminist values.
Sure as shit wasn't her looks.
1 mtg_liebestod 2017-08-20
That just shows why he needs to be punished. He used Power Word: Feminism on her under false pretenses.
1 InspiringShitpost 2017-08-20
That is a solid application of 'listen and believe'.
1 jet199 2017-08-20
Or they are friendship queer.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-20
Yeah, jesus christ, she bought this on herself.
It's the same for girls too, girls who "prefer boys as friends" and "don't have many girl friends" are 10 times out of 10 huge sluts who adore the attention of being passed around and used by their male friends.
1 NationalDenbt 2017-08-20
Idk. I always prefer mixed groups to just men or just women. It all just gets a bit stale otherwise.
1 botchlings 2017-08-20
This. I don't think I've ever had a female friend that I wouldn't have boned.
Likewise, in my single days, if I was hanging out with a woman it was because I was trying to get her in bed and if that wasn't a possibility we probably weren't hanging out long...
1 rewind45 2017-08-20
I would have boned like 95 percent of my female friends of given the chance, i still wouls prefer hanging out with women than with men.
1 rewind45 2017-08-20
I rather hang out with women. They are nice to look at and can hold conversations on other things besides sports. Sports are fucking boring
1 SineadObama 2017-08-20
you better leave /r/drama then, you wouldn't want to be seen hanging out with us jocks.
1 ironicshitpostr 2017-08-20
Shut up nerd.
1 SineadObama 2017-08-20
D-D-Don't give me a wedgie! It's not like I would enjoy that, senpai!
1 GunOfSod 2017-08-20
Your problem is you're hanging out with meatheads, not that they're men.
1 wisty 2017-08-20
Hmmmm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joss_Whedon#Frequent_casting
1 WikiTextBot 2017-08-20
Joss Whedon: Frequent casting
Whedon often hires the same actors for his projects, and has been described as "the gravitational center of the Whedonverse, a galaxy that spins recurring actors and themes through an orbital system of TV shows, films and comic books that all share similar traits: a unique brand of witty dialogue, relatable characters and fantasy/sci-fi mythology". Note: Due to Whedon's frequent casting of the same actors in various projects, the above list only includes those that have played three or more different roles in a Whedon production; actors that have only played the same role in multiple Whedon productions are not included. Stan Lee's parts are cameos, similar to those he has had in many other Marvel productions.
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1 Mariosthegreat 2017-08-20
Like Ryan Murphy
1 Miguk_Saram 2017-08-20
I refuse to believe that Nathan Fillion was ever on his casting couch.
1 wisty 2017-08-20
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Entertainment+Weekly+5th+Annual+Comic+Con+qj-KP3fSrHsm.jpg
1 TinyJibble 2017-08-20
Who tops?
1 wwyzzerdd 2017-08-20
Whedon banged Stan Lee? My world is collapsing...
1 ltedt 2017-08-20
male feminists are a mistake
1 rewind45 2017-08-20
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1 bobbybonnadouchey 2017-08-20
I have the biggest shit eating grin right now.
My smug levels are approaching SRD levels.
If my smug keeps rising I'll reach /r/circlebroke levels.
Will you put me out of my misery if it does?
1 SineadObama 2017-08-20
if it does, if it doesn't... whatever.
1 holditsteady 2017-08-20
Well imagine my shock
1 odintal 2017-08-20
Can't blame him. I'd call myself a nazi if it meant I got to go hilt deep into Scarlet Johansson and Eliza Dushku.
1 captainpriapism 2017-08-20
imagine being a young woman actor and having to have an affair with this dude to advance your career
1 John_Kvetch 2017-08-20
He looks like he smells of cheese
1 TinyJibble 2017-08-20
Now I kind of want to see what r/incels makes of this.
1 ghostchamber 2017-08-20
Whoa, hold on a second. Before you go casting judgment or assassinating his character...
What kind of cheese?
1 royalRegicide 2017-08-20
Feta
1 wolfsktaag 2017-08-20
sounds like an easy ladder to climb. beats the fuck out of the time/money spent on grad school
1 Senator_Chickpea 2017-08-20
"Babe, you're gonna be the star of the next season of Firefly."
1 rewind45 2017-08-20
I don't get that shit, if you have all that money and influence, why not just go get a hooker? Seems simpler than giving someone a contract for while television project based on how well she fucks insteadvof how well she acts.
1 Senator_Chickpea 2017-08-20
Maybe Penn just likes to laugh every time Alyson Hannigan acts awkwardly on-stage, knowing there's going to be a little tete-a-taine, oops, I mean "tete-a-tete" before the next series of shows are taped.
Also, it's all fun and games until the Pink Ranger look-alike turns out to be the actual Pink Ranger, complete with Chris Hansen retinue.
1 pizzashill 2017-08-20
Because it's about power, friend. Knowing you have power over a young girl just entering the TV world, you put her where she is.
As Dennis would say, it's the "implication."
1 BannaHamHock 2017-08-20
You speak as if you know lol, you're just parroting was other armchair psychologists have said on Reddit for half a decade now.
1 nanonan 2017-08-20
Why go that far? Just accuse him of male gazing and he'll bend over pronto.
1 cuteman 2017-08-20
I'm pretty sure that's happening.
I saw on him valentines day in Hollywood at a Trader Joe's, he was with a younger blonde.
1 bobbybonnadouchey 2017-08-20
Shit somebody who isn't banned and has a convincing post history please post this on /r/gamerghazi.
I'll get my popcorn ready.
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
Your wish is my command.
1 bobbybonnadouchey 2017-08-20
Literally shaking in smugness rn.
1 menvaren 2017-08-20
Someone beat you by a few hours.
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
Have they? Oh well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
1 lifesbrink 2017-08-20
Damn ghazi somehow does more reaching than normal.
1 TinyJibble 2017-08-20
Here it is
u/robertjhill, is this actual sarcastic banter? on Ghazi?
1 RobertJHill 2017-08-20
I guess? Do they usually ban that kind of stuff? I'm only a casual poster but it looks like there are other people in the thread busting his chops too.
1 TinyJibble 2017-08-20
Mostly they just take everything Very Seriously, even by feminist standards. For instance, you'll notice that the person replying to you there totally missed the sarcasm.
It's ironic, considering that the sub was built to make fun of people who clearly take vidya too seriosly.
1 Miguk_Saram 2017-08-20
Luc Besson has made tons of movies with strong female characters. He also likes fucking 15-year olds.
1 PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-08-20
Well the age of consent is lower in Europe. Quelle surprise
1 clock_watcher 2017-08-20
I will never not do a double take when I see a photo of Joss Whedon's truly enormous head. It defies comprehension that a person can have a noggin that size and shape, and this is compounded when you learn that the owner of this head can still manage to bang woman. Admittedly, his (ex)wife looks like a tranny, but I'm sure he would have hit some attractive women in his time.
1 SineadObama 2017-08-20
it's like it gets bigger every time I see it.
1 y2jerichoholic 2017-08-20
I usually find cheating on a long term partner is more of a sign of someone being a weak and shitty person, but not sexist. He would likely cheat on a male partner if he was gay.
1 Going_up_the_Country 2017-08-20
Anything that affects any woman negatively is sexism, dumbass.
1 thesnakeinthegarden 2017-08-20
This is sort of how I feel about this. What the fuck does any of it have to do with sexism. He's just an asshole. You can be an asshole and hold onto the ideals of feminism. You just have to admit that you're an asshole and that your shitty actions aren't due to some inherent female flaw or male 'spread seed' as though one was a bird fucking bee.
1 Re_LE_Vant_UN 2017-08-20
Yeah, if anything he was empowering multiple women multiple times at the cost of one woman. The math checks out for a net feminist power gain. I say he's a hero.
1 fiodorson 2017-08-20
She said he is a hypocrite, not a sexist.
1 mr-strange 2017-08-20
Whilst I'm no fan of Whedon's sanctimonious feminism, the fact that he's slept around doesn't really alter the validity of his opinions. Surely feminists can sleep around too? Or is feminism a kind of priesthood, now?
1 cincilator 2017-08-20
After evangelicals crashed and burned, they are definitely trying to establish themselves as a kind of priesthood.
1 Pepperglue 2017-08-20
Saving this for future use.
1 SineadObama 2017-08-20
It all makes sense now.
Mainstream Feminism = Arminian.
TERFS = Calvinist.
1 cincilator 2017-08-20
Nah, its all Calvinism because it is all predestined.
1 SineadObama 2017-08-20
to explain the joke
With mainstream feminism anyone in the world can be a woman (for men, through accepting they are trans - just like nonbelievers can accept christ) and become saved.
TERFs believe only some are elected (XX chromosome) to be even capable of being saved. If you're a male, you're eternally damned, the best you can do is accept radical feminism just so you can see with more clarity that you are damned.
1 SineadObama 2017-08-20
to explain the joke:
With mainstream feminism anyone in the world could be a woman (for men, through accepting they are trans - just like any nonbeliever can accept christ) and become saved.
TERFs believe only some are elected (XX chromosome) to be even capable of being saved. If you're a male, you're eternally damned, the best you can do is accept radical feminism just so you can see with more clarity that you are not among the saved (even if you've cut your dick off).
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
Well, it kinda does. If you're gonna lecture others about how to treat women, maybe you shouldn't use your position as a showmaker to cheat, gaslight your wife and then pressure actresses into sleeping with you to advance their career. That's just my hot take, though.
1 1033149 2017-08-20
Well feminism isn't just about how to treat women. Helping create strong powerful women or just believing that women are strong can classify him as a feminist. His mistakes don't overshadow his beliefs imo.
Also a representative of Joss did say that this is filled with lies and inaccuracies. To me it looks like a scorned lover trying to do the most damage by taking something that Joss values (his beliefs and how it defines him) but since we don't know both sides, I think its very easy to assume that he and/or she is innocent or guilty.
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
You're being too objective and fair and it's frankly disgusting. Please do your part for this 'community' to blow everything out of proportion and make it as dramatic as possible.
I've decided Joss Whedon is guilty based on my feelings and a tabloid article, please validate this or call me a shitstain and start an over the top argument about feminism, goddamit.
1 youcanteatbullets 2017-08-20
What do the following people have in common?
Answer: They did nothing wrong
1 mohkohnsepicgun 2017-08-20
Eron Gjoni (or however you spell that Turkish or Azerbaijani or whatever-the-fuck shit he calls a name) was a incel stalker one step down from Hapas-Saint Eliot Rodgers.
He laid his pitiful inability to sexually satify a blue-haired hambeast with shit tattoos out for the world to see and thus made an absolute fool of himself.
That's what he did wrong.
1 Elmepo 2017-08-20
To be fair why would his rep say anything different? It's not like Joss is gonna tweet "actually I was slamming puss in the reg".
"This is false and I deny these accusations, but I'm not going to comment further" is pr response 101 for these sorts of situations.
1 1033149 2017-08-20
True. I just think this entire situation and the assumptions made are completely based on one biased account of events. Joss's rep could be saying the truth or could just be employing the most basic pr strategy. Unless Joss does come out and reveal his side of things, all the narrative is dependent on is his wife speaking the truth, which isn't that probable. What gain does she have by ruining her husband's reputation?
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
I agree with you that Whedon's wife could be lying. If they're going through a bad divorce, ruining the reputation Whedon has built up over the years is a finale 'fuck you' to him. She gets revenge.
On the other hand, why would Whedon admit to this if it was true. It would ruin his career.
We don't know who is lying or what really happened. It's a fun drama rollarcoaster, though.
1 1033149 2017-08-20
I don't think it would ruin his career. His directing and writing ability isn't harmed. At most, some execs. wouldn't like him that much. But he is already signed on for DC films. He would lose some of his reputation and people would lose respect for him but that's at most what I can see happenning.
Also setting the record straight could get people back to his side. He can admit that he cheated but if he explains it as if he only did it once and when he came clean, told the truth, and asked for a divorce, his wife blew up and exposed him to the world. But we don't know if that is the truth or if she is telling the truth. Its a "he said, she said" situation with one side barely saying anything. I don't think its necessarily fun since so many people are hating on him for something that could easily be fake. I think everyone here or on the internet should calm down and actually think about what the context here is for the statements.
1 mr-strange 2017-08-20
If Roman Polanski could still make films after being tried for child rape, I think Whedon's career would withstand this just fine.
1 GunOfSod 2017-08-20
If you'er going to lie, you say he had an affair, not that he had 15 affairs.
1 eDgEIN708 2017-08-20
...by having them work the balls a little...
....?
1 1033149 2017-08-20
You are assuming that he did write these female as strong characters only because the actresses slept with him. Also him supporting (when he created the characters and promoted them in the industry) and believing in the feminist movement classifies him as a feminist.
1 eDgEIN708 2017-08-20
Or he wrote strong roles and scripts that called for young actresses to make sure he had plenty of pretty young actresses on set.
1 1033149 2017-08-20
Or he wrote strong roles and scripts that called for older actresses to make sure he had plent of pretty old actresses.
You do realize that we can make up whatever scenario we want. All we do know are the statements from his wife who sounds like a scorned lover and someone who says that its a lie. Believe what you want to support your narrative that Joss just wanted to sleep with young actresses.
1 eDgEIN708 2017-08-20
Wow. Hear that guys? It's ok to not believe the victim now!
1 1033149 2017-08-20
How do we know she's a victim? For all we know she could be lying and just a scorned lover after he husband wanted a divorce? You don't know if she's the victim. Neither do i. So stop assuming things based on only one account.
1 eDgEIN708 2017-08-20
She said so. You can't go against that, that's rape. Why do you want to rape this woman after all the horrible things she's been through already?
1 1033149 2017-08-20
So you are taking only one account of events to be true? You must be so trusting. There is no matter of rape here and I can go against that since there is only a story to support her side. There is no evidence besides her account of events.
I feel like you are trolling so I'm going to ignore you now. Have a good day!
1 eDgEIN708 2017-08-20
Well hopefully you don't ignore this: hope you have a good day too!
1 die_rattin 2017-08-20
"I'm not saying we shouldn't listen to victims, I'm saying the so-called 'victim' could be a liar."
Oh ok
1 1033149 2017-08-20
Why not? So many people have done it before. A husband or wife is honest about his/her infidelity and the opposing partner explodes and tries to ruin the others' reputation and life. Basic strategy of a scorned lover.
If we are to believe her, Joss's wife is a victim of lying and being in a relationship with an unfaithful man. At the same time, she could be exaggerating details and straight up lying. Maybe Joss didn't cheat and just wanted a divorce. His wife took matters into her own hands and tried to ruin his reputation for leaving her. We don't know know whether Joss's wife is telling the truth about any account, nobody has corroborated this story. So nobody knows if she is actually a victim at all or on the opposite side if she's telling the complete truth.
1 _narrows 2017-08-20
Point of clarification: the article doesn’t mention the word lies at all. It says inaccuracy
1 GunOfSod 2017-08-20
Excellent! Can we all justify our lying and cheating away as "trying to create powerful women", or just male feminists?
1 nmx179 2017-08-20
Is there any evidence Whedon did this, other than you wanting it to be true because you hate men?
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
I feel it in my heart fam. Evidence? Did you stumble across this subreddit by accident lmao.
Are you assuming how I feel? You filthy women hater, KYS.
1 nmx179 2017-08-20
Just using the benefits of my superior masculine intelligence to come to a completely correct conclusion
Only the uggos tbh
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
I'm literally shaking like now. This is why I need feminism.
1 nomad1c 2017-08-20
no one in his position needs to pressure anyone. that's the joy of status
1 die_rattin 2017-08-20
1 Miguk_Saram 2017-08-20
When a guy keeps making up these feisty, empowered girl characters, I'd like to some some evidence that he isn't screwing the actresses.
1 GunOfSod 2017-08-20
Ohh I know this!
Something, something Power differentials!
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
I love Buffy, Firefly and Dollhouse. I used to freaking love Joss Whedon. It's a shame he turned out to be such a twat. Or maybe he always was a cunt, idk.
Does anyone find it hilarious/alarming just how many male feminists tend to be really shitty towards the women in their lives? It's starting to feel like men who believe 'all men are sexist' are doing it to justify and hide their own fucked up views on women.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
Doctor's offices are full of sick people and churches are for sinners, my nigga.
1 TinyJibble 2017-08-20
...but what is r/drama full of?
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
Honestly, mostly people that are tired of getting banned by the insane shut-ins that "mod" other subs.
1 ChaoticEvil 2017-08-20
Homosexual autists, got it.
1 ThatDamnedImp 2017-08-20
No, we're mostly all just cunts.
1 Kuonji 2017-08-20
Every day just trying to Keep Myself Safe but never works out
1 FoiledFencer 2017-08-20
S-sandor?
1 froibo 2017-08-20
Have you read any of the shit your write?
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
Yeah, its pretty entertaining. Sometimes I go back and read my own posts.
1 ironicshitpostr 2017-08-20
Do you go back and touch yourself while reading the highly upvoted or downvoted posts?
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
I said entertaining. Not arousing.
1 ironicshitpostr 2017-08-20
Haha yeah not me either that'd be weird
1 InspiringShitpost 2017-08-20
I think he has a point. Drama is the sub people are drawn too after they get banned for being too left on a right sub or too right in a left sub. Radical centrists only.
1 Standard12 2017-08-20
What a load of self serving shite.
1 InspiringShitpost 2017-08-20
No shit
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
Bit ironic bitching about being banned when you post on the donald. They ban everyone who so much as mildly criticises their batshit conspiracy theories and hurt their feelings.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
That is a sub specifically for organizing support for a political candidate. Bit different from "worldnews" or "ask reddit", which are general purpose threads.
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
Well, either it's okay for mods to agenda ban or it's not. If you have a subreddit that claims it fight for free speech, maybe you shouldn't ban people with differing opinion. It seems hypocritical.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
Well, no. It is ok for mods to ban people going into /r/PortlandTrailblazers to disrupt discussion of the Portland Trailblazers and call fans of the Portland Trailblazers Nazis. It is not ok to ban people for talking about the Portland Trailblazers in /r/basketball.
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
But look at what the donald has become. It's irrational, it's paranoid, it's hypocritical in it's beliefs, and it won't accept any criticism. It censors news. It believes ridiculous conspiracy theories such as pizzagate. A child could disprove those conspiracy theories.
It is one of the biggest Trump communities on the internet and it makes every Donald Trump voter look ridiculous. You can probably tell I don't like the donald subreddit, but I do try to read pro-Trump articles and listen to Donald Trump voters and try to understand where they are coming from. I think (or hope) most people understand that not every person who voted or support Trump is racist or authoritarian. however the donald, as much it blames the main stream media, has helped build that shitty reputation.
When it comes to politics, you need to listen to different opinions in order to prevent radicalisation. That's why, in my opinion, the basketball comparison doesn't work. No one is going to become a extremist and try to kill people because someone banned criticism of the Portland Trailblazers. The donald advertised the Unite The Right rally and look at the type of people that showed up at Charlottesville.
When you ban any political disagreement, the nutjobs in your ideology show up and try to spread. They try to manipulate and scare people into following them. This is what has happened in the donald.
1 The_Reason_Trump_Won 2017-08-20
CAN
1 Going_up_the_Country 2017-08-20
THE
1 old_grumpy_grandpa 2017-08-20
Td is shit, but I never ever for a single moment expected better from them: they are a circlejerk by construction, they are here to cheer at Daddy and that's it.
When r/news upvotes ten gorillions articles about how drumpf is totally a fascist and one article about Trump getting two scoops of ice cream, I can say I expected a little better from them.
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
I agree, /r/news is a bad subreddit but I think it's always been like that. All the posts are sensational articles in order to get the most upvotes or to further your agenda that day.
I don't you should seriously get either your news or politics from reddit. It can be a fun website to share opinions on but only if you don't take it too seriously.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
It isn't for criticism. It is for advancing and supporting Americanism and President Donald J. Trump.
Exactly. Take up your complaint with /r/politics
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
So we're going to play the whataboutism game instead? God forbid you had to go outside the echo-chamber and think for yourself for once in your life.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
/r/politics is for debating politics.
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
Politics is a shit subreddit but I wasn't talking about politics, I was talking about the donald.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
the_donald isn't for haters. You can't come into my house to start a fight with me.
If you want open political debate, you should be able to do it in /r/politics.
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
did you read my post at all on why the donald should be open for political debate?
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
It looked very long and gay.
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
The very short and extra gay version then: When you don't expose yourself to political diversity, you have a higher chance of becoming radicalised. Look at what happened at Charlottesville.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
I know, man. It is a shame that /r/politics is such a leftist cesspool.
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
So we're back to whataboutism. This is your brain on the donald tbh.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
The_Donald is for supporting The Donald. /r/politics is for discussing politics, generally. If you aren't a supporter of the President, The_Donald is not 4 u
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
Indeed.Violent radical leftists are a sad result of people being exposed to anti-democratic brainwashing in schools.
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
Perhaps you can try /r/politics if you would like to discuss politics.
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
the_donald doesnt exist to do the job of /r/politics
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
Yeah, spending too much time at /r/anarchism can be hazardous to your health.
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
Why do you think I'm an anarchist?
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
The retards at Charlottesville were anarchists.
If you have a guilty conscience, that's on you.
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
I have a feeling that if I said 'all the donald posters are nazis' you would go even more frothing retard than you are now.
1 BannaHamHock 2017-08-20
LMAO fam
1 joltto 2017-08-20
"Americanism"
Lmao
1 BannaHamHock 2017-08-20
This same argument has been had on reddit about 100,000 times by now. How fucking retarded do you have to be to want to have it again? Holy shit
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
the fuck are you
1 rewind45 2017-08-20
Bussy?
1 Eternal_Mr_Bones 2017-08-20
Plenty of Christian Fundies say anti-gay or anti-adultery shit then turn out to be slimeballs so I wouldn't say it's surprising.
1 InspiringShitpost 2017-08-20
The only way to cure my gay is to pray the gay of others away.
1 Thulean-Dragon 2017-08-20
The internet has made 'never meet your hero' pretty much impossible.
1 wyrdwyrd 2017-08-20
I try to keep my heroes entirely fictional -- so if some author or screenwriter tells a different version or a part I don't like, I can just ignore it-- doesn't count as denying reality since it's all made up anyway.
I dunno that I held Joss as a "hero" per se, but-- turns out I looked up to him or at least to his well earned place in geek culture way more than I should have.
It sucks.
1 odintal 2017-08-20
At this point it's not alarming it's just expected. No wonder so many hardcore feminist women have so much hatred for men. Look at the ones they surround themselves with.
1 wolfdreams01 2017-08-20
Remember back when Republicans disliked gay people and yet every six months one of them would be outed having a gay affair? And it was usually the ones yelling the loudest about how being gay was sinful?
These liberal ultra-feminists are just the modern version of that. They can't be comfortable with who they are, so instead of adopting a happy bachelor lifestyle, they embrace feminism 110% to repress their "sinful" urges.
1 0987654231 2017-08-20
you can think someone is a twat and still enjoy what they create.
1 StrawRedditor 2017-08-20
Not to bring up GG...
But let's just say that in the game of: "Which men in that culture war have later been found out to be pedos/rapists/girlfriend abusers/girlfriend murderers".... The counter in the anti-SJW/gg column is 0, and the count in the "feminist ally" column is not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
They believe in shit like patriarchy and men being oppressive and all of them being rapists because that is how they think. And because they're too stupid to realize that they're just a shit human being, they assume that all men must be just like them.
1 cutepinkquaggan 2017-08-20
Is really this true? I don't care about gamergate but I do know that nutters like Davis Aurini supported it and he is pretty "anti-sjw". I'm not saying everyone within gamergate is like that, but I think you will always find weirdos in communities, especially on the internet. Might want to have a hard look at your own community before making a statement like that.
But I do agree there have be a good few reports of feminist men turning out to be very creepy individuals. It's enough that it would make me hesitate going on a date with a feminist anyway.
1 die_rattin 2017-08-20
Seems kind of a no-shit conclusion when you break it down, don't you think?
1 PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-08-20
I've always been of the belief that legitimately nice people don't need constant reminders or indoctrination to live by that axiom.
1 Rubitinwhydontyou 2017-08-20
Wait... an ex-lover who outs a partner as a piece of shit in an online rant, to bring the full force of the Internet down on that person.
Where have I seen this before? :thinking:
1 Going_up_the_Country 2017-08-20
Wait, so gamerghazi thinks cheating on your partner, lying to them about it, gas lighting them when they bring up their concerns, etc... that's abusive and anti feminist?
And spreading what they did online is a good thing?
1 Rubitinwhydontyou 2017-08-20
exploring your feminine sexuality in a patriarchal society*
protecting your life in the face of toxic masculinity*
questioning society's views on slut-shaming*
FTFY
1 Going_up_the_Country 2017-08-20
THAT'S what Joss was doing? Oh, well I'm sure Ghazi will be fine with it then.
1 Rubitinwhydontyou 2017-08-20
Oh we're talking about him? Sorry I thought we were talking about Zoe.
Yeah you're right he's just human trash.
1 1033149 2017-08-20
His statement: "A spokesperson for Joss Whedon provided the following response, “While this account includes inaccuracies and misrepresentations which can be harmful to their family, Joss is not commenting, out of concern for his children and out of respect for his ex-wife.”"
1 nmx179 2017-08-20
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-08-20
1 GunOfSod 2017-08-20
male ... feminist
1 shitsfuckedupalot 2017-08-20
It seems like the only evidence she has is that he cheated on her. I dont see how thats an unfeminist act. Tons of women cheat. And they use bullshit reasons to do it too. And she also claims to have ptsd from being cheated on. Ive cheated on a bunch of women. I dont think any of them got ptsd. I dont think that's evidence i hate women either. I just dont think relationships matter.
1 ironicshitpostr 2017-08-20
Cucking your husband is one of the most woke feminist acts a woman can perform.
1 Vandredd 2017-08-20
Feminists have been defending women's rights to cheat on their husbands forever.
1 Rubitinwhydontyou 2017-08-20
Gamerghazi comments:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/6uxwgv/joss_whedon_is_a_hypocrite_preaching_feminist/
1 ghostchamber 2017-08-20
Shocking! A popular man with power and money had lots of affairs? I am at a loss for words.
1 GunOfSod 2017-08-20
Such a self righteous ideologue was actually a lying hypocrite all along.
unbelievable.
1 baaaaby 2017-08-20
i still have no idea who joss whedon is. i assume some star trek dude because his name sounds weird as fuck
1 JoesKC 2017-08-20
It's easy to say "keep your d in your pants" from the sideline , but artists are often self destructive creatures who dance on the line of self righteous authority leaders.
Not defending his actions in any way. Just saying that we live in an era where the Author's face is as well known as their work. I couldn't help but wonder if JK Rowling's original Baby Daddy had come out with something like this - if it would have been taken with so much "this is probably 100% true" but that's a different convo for a different day.
To some degree I feel bad for their kids. A divorce in private is hard enough on a high school kid. But dirty laundry coming out from Mom that trends on twitter is pretty shitty.
1 HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-08-20
This is why you get her to sign an NDA.
1 TrandaBear 2017-08-20
How is infidelity related to related to feminism? Suppose he wrote and said all the same things but he was gay and stepping out on his husband, would that make him a hypocrite?