Drama in ESS where progressive Democrats get mad about Kamala Harris coming out for Sanders' universal health care plan because it will raise taxes

30  2017-09-01 by Prince_Kropotkin

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That should probably be "progressive Democrats", because I'm really unsure what separates these people from Republicans aside from only becoming transphobic and homophobic when it's someone they really don't like being discussed, such as Chelsea Manning.

There is basically nobody stupid enough to want to pay $20k to a hated private insurance company for the same care they could get for $10k in taxes. That's what single payer does if you compare the US with all the other developed countries that have it, we have (roughly speaking) the same health outcomes for twice the price. There are real problems with fast implementation (all those surplus jobs will have to be dealt with after all, and winding down huge firms isn't painless), but it's doable.

Is it a tough political problem, with a huge array of wealthy monopolists and armies of lobbyists against single payer advocates? Yeah, but you don't win in politics by crying about how it's too hard. You grit your teeth and fucking fight for it. This is why liberals have known nothing but absolute, pathetic failure in the last few years, they are more concerned about civility and process then actually accomplishing anything worthwhile.

PS: /u/snapadoodles if you think /r/drama is some leftist Reddit backup squad you should probably spend more time here. I just wanted to make fun of you and agenda post as per my specialty. Lol at Kamala Harris bending the knee to us Bernie Bros though. She won't be the last one, and I will enjoy watching you cry about it.

Ayo /u/Evanharper git in here son.

i will certainly not bother reading or responding to anything that guy says, the shtick is beyond old even when it isn't 2000 word blog posts in comment form

the shtick is beyond old even when it isn't 2000 word blog posts in comment form

boi

I happily admit to being here mostly to improve my ability to craft propaganda, but even so I am pretty genuine, no?

I happily admit to being here on this website mostly to improve my ability to craft propaganda

Which begs the question of why you're so fucking bad at it ?

At the end of it all, if you're selling bullshit you can only do so much.

I'm actually pretty good at it, it's not aimed at this sub nor right-wingers though. That would be a waste of time. Leftist propaganda is most effective when aimed at disgruntled liberals, the odd right-libertarian and social democrats!

I'm somewhere between a disgruntled liberal (in the standard American sense) and a social Democrat. A few years ago, my views on anarchism and shit were basically yours. 2/10 times I find you right on the mark and 8/10 times I find you to be loony as shit.

Congrats, I don't care and never have about the opinions of any regulars of this subreddit. It's a numbers game and I have enough good metrics to judge how I'm doing that anecdotal evidence from one novelty account or another is totally unimportant.

Lol k

Oh bless your heart.

my ability to craft propaganda

I suppose it will be cool after you realize that you are wrong and/or get a job

I'm doing very well in my life and I am materially quite satisfied. The only thing that could make me happier is having a larger platform to make people I don't like even more angrier.

Lol at Kamala Harris bending the knee to us Bernie Bros though. She won't be the last one, and I will enjoy watching you cry about it.

Now that's actually true, unlike the rest of your screed. There are going to be a few oddball progressives who side with Sanders on nonsense that'll never get to the floor before they're inevitably voted out of office. "Bending the knee" to an antediluvian socialist whose greatest political accomplishment is naming a post office will not get anyone far, though.

I'm sure Harris' sole reason for sponsoring the Medicaid for all bill is to build some semblance of progressive cred for a 2020 run. It's all posturing, not reflective of whatever political principles she might secretly have.

a few oddball progressives

talking about a U.S. Senator from California (the largest state) who's the current frontrunner for leading the party back to the Presidency

lol yeah, she sounds like a real oddball, I bet she's not going anywhere.

Terry McAuliffe would like a word with you

wtf I love Prince_Kropotkin now

Lol at Kamala Harris bending the knee to us Bernie Bros though.

Probably not the best turn of phrase for a movement widely viewed as rigid and fanatical.

it's called trolling, maybe you've heard of it before

That's what single payer does if you compare the US with all the other developed countries that have it

All of which have vastly different research, education and work regimes.

Homeboy is an unironic anarchist - factual complexity isn't a thing he deals in.

I just don't want to sit in a waiting room full of fat black women

Cis white men sure know what minorities like!

my Latino aunt would rather go bankrupt paying for her back surgery than supporting single payer!

Not going into bankruptcy because of unplanned medical emergencies is for sexist white males!

remember: no minority suffers because of neoliberalism! they're all happier than ever!

Please tell me she's of the Cuban persuasion.

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lmao s/he/it deleted all of their comments

hahaha

did we find a (((ctr))) shill

/u/Prince_Kropotkin can add another POC minority to his kill count.

50/50 shot that she's actually just another straightwhitemale.

50/50

Lol

PK is kinda my hero

u/snapadoddles

u/snapadoodles

Bernie: let's have universal health care

ESS: fuck this guy

Brown lady: I support universal health care

ESS: yas slay queen

What the fuck is this slay queen stuff? Is it another retarded /r/Drama thing or a new and awful thing women with low self-image say to themselves/each other?

It is a Twitter thing afaik

I'm not sure I've ever seen it used unironically but it's supposedly vocabulary, appropriated from black gay men, that woke people use.

"Yas queen" and "slay queen" are vocab that white girls stole from Black women/gay men and now use unironically as a White Girl Feminist affirmation. It mostly gets used outside of those circles ironically, to mock White Girl Feminism and Woke Culture excess in general.

There was a video compilation of some twink following GaGa saying "Yaaaaas Gaga". Then it went from there

FFS

Ayo fam fuck taxes though 😂👌

This, but unironically.

im def not shocked ess faggots would have an issue with actually addressing not being down with stopping universal healthcare

TOTALLY SHOCKED NOT LIKE I WANT MOST OF THEM TO DRINK BLEACH AT ALL THAT WOULD BE VERY BAD NOT GOOD

It's fine. It's a unifying issue for the party now (at least in a theoretical world where policy would sway the people who are already screaming about Kamala), that could easily take the format of a public option if and when Dems are in a position to do anything with this.

C O P E

Also, is this part of her running for president next time, trying to style herself as a bridge between the sanders/social democratic wing and the new democrats, hmm.

It absolutely is. She's one of the establishment frontrunners for the Dem nomination at this (very early) point, along with Cory Booker.

Everyone talked about how 2016 was the worst presidential election in this country's history, but every now and again I think forward to how 2020 might be shaping up and I have to cross myself. Dear God, have mercy on us

I left that sub when they pretty much DEMANDED everyone to vote for Hillary. They could not grasp the concept someone could be against Trump and not like Hillary.

When CA looked at single-payer, just the healthcare portion would have doubled the entire state budget.

But you don't understand, there is magic in the Federal government. Operation PixiDust made it plausible, they just don't want us to know!

Yeah but people will spend even less of their income on private insurance and will come out ahead. there aren't enough ancaps to get mad about spending less money for the same service but in taxes instead of Free Market Swindling to swing the vote on this.

If you prioritize the needs of the poor over the interests of specific ethnic groups then you are a racist who has no place with the left.

Prince is back!

"Just double taxes and do thing!"

An idea so dumb, not even California was willing to do it.