The fact that the furthest left democratic candidate (who is a a socdem so not even that leftist) was disadvantaged in the primary proves the left is supported by the establishment? So for you left=centrist democrats, now i understand why you think they are supported by the media and the establishment. Everyone further left isn't even considered or is despised.
There's no such thing as counterculture anymore. The Occupy Wall Street and Tea Party stuff were the last gasps of a dying concept. The internet has so thoroughly integrated society that you cannot have a movement like that anymore.
Political comedy only really works when you are punching up, and there is a lag in comedians changing their acts. The Daily Show was good during the Bush era, kinda lost itself when Obama won and is still trying to find a new voice now that Trump is in office.
It wasn't even that long ago. Like, for a good part of the 20th century up to W's presidency the left was strongly pro-free speech. Then it's like a switch was flipped a few years back. They're becoming even more annoying than back when soccer moms and conservative Christians actually had political power and tried to censor everything.
It was always there, but the seething hatred Americans had of anything even remotely Communist during the Cold War kept them on the fringes where they belonged.
Then the wall came down, the USSR split apart, China became capitalist in all but name, and Communism became a joke rather than an existential threat. The left-wing moral busybodies weren't considered a threat anymore and they subsequently became more and more brazen in pushing their idiocy.
The operative phrase there was "remotely Communist". Left-wing moral busybodies of all stripes benefited from America no longer considering Communism their biggest geopolitical threat.
I think the answer is much simpler than this. It's mainly that a lot of people like to control other people and have very conservative views about what is acceptable to think about. Given the absence of a traditional religious framework, they created something similar around social justice issues and did the exact same thing as people who burnt "witches" did a few centuries ago.
Yeah, but people have been creating secular cults as a response to the decline of traditional religion ever since Nietzsche. I'm more explaining why it suddenly got prominence in the United States when, prior to the end of the Cold War, this mindset was exclusively limited to mid-20th Century Europe and, to some extent, eastern Asia.
I see that as a separate issue, it's not even like antifa are communist or left wing in a way that fits into the Red Scare mentality. It's just about a desire for control in a situation where they have none, so they feel they need to resort to violence to gain control.
Since when are we talking about Antifa? I'm referring to all the identity politicians and socialists who have taken over left-wing media and generally act as killjoys. Antifa is a separate issue as far as I'm concerned, though I do disagree with your assertion that they aren't left wing, considering their justification for their behavior is universally rooted in themes of anti-capitalism, anti-colonialism and anti-whatever-they-declare-as-bigotry.
Because 90s-era liberals like me (and to a lesser extent, Jon Stewart) made being a liberal cool. The wasted organ-donor sacks that comprise the Authoritarian Left want to control people, but more than that, they want to be liked.
These failed attempts at humanity will never be liked for whom they genuinely are, because they are disgusting people, inside and out. So like a parrot, they tried to mimic the behavior of the cool people without any understanding of the motivations or logic behind it. "Leftists are cool, therefore if we become leftists we will be the coolest," is as far as their thinking went. And then they just tried to outdo each other in who could be more left, to the point that they are punching imaginary Nazis to try to show authenticity. Zoe Quinn, Joss Whedon, Bill Nye - these are all people who are just jumping on the liberal bandwagon as a way to gain status and money. They aren't real liberals. They're barely even real humans. They are simply opportunists with a void in the place where empathy or integrity are supposed to be.
Of course, what they don't understand is that they will never be cool, because they're failures at life. Joining the liberal team didn't make them cool, it just made liberals suck. It's similar to allowing a fat 13 year old to join the New York Giants football team. The end result is not going to be an awesome 13 year old, it's going to be a team that ends up losing constantly because of the 13 year idiot that they allowed onboard. Meanwhile, all the good players emd up leaving the team because they don't want to have their careers and reputations dragged down by some 13 year old scrote.
Soon, these whiny shits will realize that being a liberal is no longer cool, because all the cool people (like myself) have already left to play for the opposite team. Then once they realize that being a conservative is popular, they will pretend that they are real conservatives and will try to outdo each other in the same sad attempt to pretend that they are fully actualized human beings.
The mistake of former leftists like me is that we allowed these broken puppets to join us, instead of throwing sticks at them and driving them out to starve in the desert. Please learn from our mistake. When being a conservative becomes cool again (which is already happening), and these bottom-feeders come scrounging over and try to ally with you in their endless quest to be popular, try to remember that they are not real allies, or even real humans - they are sociopaths who will turn on you the second they cannot benefit from their alliance.
P.S. Also, please feel free to use this wall of text as either a copypasta or quote for Snappy.
This is a long comment but lemme just ask you... when you say authoritarian left, do you mean Antifa?
Not sure if you're all in on what anarchism is, buddy. They generally tend to lean more towards the "no authority, lets wreak havoc" kind of deal
Authoritarian left you'll probably wanna look more at MLMs (Marxist-Leninist-Maoists), leninists, third wordists; so called "tankies"
In my experience anarchists in general and antifa in particular are hypocrites who are all too eager to use state force when it comes to fighting perceived discrimination or hatred but the whine about it if it's ever applied to them.
Anarcho-communism, an ideology found amongst antifa members in spades, is literally "it's ok when I do it", the political system.
This is a long comment but lemme just ask you... when you say authoritarian left, do you mean Antifa? Not sure if you're all in on what anarchism is, buddy.
Well, neither are the part-time baristas that compose antifa, to be fair.
Honestly cool doesn't mean it's smart or logical or good remember people used to think pogs and AOL discs were cool in the 90s, in the 2000s emo and nowadays being autistic (those spinners )
Inviting people to make a copypasta out of your own post is never going to be cool. It's about as cool as quoting yourself saying some self-indulgent philosophical bullshit on Facebook.
I was just beating r/drama to the punch. I knew that if I didn't add the last sentence some tard would say "nice copypasta bro" or "we should use that for Snappy" so I figured I'd take away their fun by letting them know I was OK with it.
Don't get me wrong, I love r/drama, but it does have to be admitted that some of the people who come here are uninspired emo kids who say cliche shit like that.
Part of it is people have no fucking clue what socialism is. Look at Bernie - he called himself a "democratic socialist" when he's actually a "social democrat." Similarly, people have a fascination with Scandinavian countries and their high HDI scores and social democracies while thinking that those too are socialist countries.
Nah, you're the fucking idiot here. Bernie is a socialist who ran on SocDem programs. He also tried to develop C L A S S C O N S C I O U S N E S S in America
That doesn't make sense. Can a Fascist run on a Communist platform? Does that make them a Fascist or a Communist? Bernie is big on the working class, but he stops short of seizing the means of production.
It makes perfect sense you fucking retard. Spend 2 minutes looking into Bernie Sanders past. He was a socialist who ran on SocDem proposals so he had a chance of being elected.
So what you're saying is if someone runs on a Communist platform, but calls himself a Fascist, even though he only implements Communist policies and when pressed to describe his idea of Fascism, he describes Communism, he is still a Fascist. That makes a lot of sense, retard.
Sanders is a socialist. He ran of a platform of Social Democracy. He tried to make Socialism palatable. He helped introduce C L A S S C O N C I O U S N E S S into America
Look into nicaragua, look into Debs. This guy is not some lulzy Socdem you utter fucking retard. How hard is this to understand?
Oh man, you really won me over repeating that vaporwave C L A S S C O N S C I O U S N E S S. What's funny is you support my initial point. No one fucking knows what Socialism is, which is why you have so many chucklefucks spouting off about how great it is when they are actually fans of SocDem policies. I still disagree that Sanders is actually socialist given that plenty of other SocDem politicians in other countries where Socialism isn't a bad word also had friendly relations with union leaders and socialist states (say someone like Justin Trudeau).
Sanders knows what socialism is. He knows he can't win on that platform. He chose to campaign on a platform that is socdem. Socialism is pretty much a dirty word across the establishment everywhere. Even in places like the UK and France
Your point doesn't make sense because if socialism is such a dirty word, why would Sanders call himself that while implementing the more palatable SocDem policies? The opposite would make more sense - call yourself something benign but attempt to implement actually socialist things.
Also, Socialism is definitely not a dirty word in France. Where the fuck are you getting that from? BTW - the Parti Socialiste is also more of a SocDem party. My guess is this is where Bernie's thinking comes from.
Prove it. Like your lie about how socialism is a bad word in France when the socialist party is one of their biggest political parties. His idea of Democratic Socialism is more in line with what Social Democracy is. Everything he's done is consistent with that.
I have touched that, but you keep missing it. Let's talk about France.
They have the Parti Socialiste. You just admitted that they are really SocDem. This party is friendly to unions and socialist states. Your criticisms of Sanders apply equally to this party, yet you claim they are SocDem.
Now, for some reason, you have this bug up your ass trying to call Sanders a socialist, despite everything he's doing being more SocDem. "Muh he's NORMALIZING SOCIALISM." Here's the American version of Parti Socialiste.
I have replied to it multiple times, retard. It makes no sense to say someone is a Socialist that is running on a SocDem platform, especially given that everything Sanders has done is SocDem. What you're basically saying is, "Well he's practically a Social Democrat, but deep down I know there's a filthy Socialist soul."
It wasn't even that long ago. Like, for a good part of the 20th century up to W's presidency the left was strongly pro-free speech. Then it's as if a switch was flipped a few years back.
Because they've used their freedom of speech to advance their agendas, many of which are/were incredibly unpopular, and they don't other people using their freedom of speech to undo what they've done. It shouldn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out why they act like they do.
His rich Asian parents know they make more in America and Minnie wants to lead the revolution through his showing up to random Minnesota BLM protests to help the 5 black people there.
I know the city has been increasing people from there. The amount isn't significant when you consider the state as a whole. The city is white as fuck too. It would be nothing when compared to any generic Northeast city much less places in the South.
I was also cracking a joke. The loser is fucking set with his upper class life from the very beginning and he treats the USA like a war torn dystopian politics state with roaming death squads.
The fact that in the USSR until Khrushchev's market bullshit since 1921 there was no surplus value being stolen, the workers exercised their control through the soviets and used their labor to better the worker's state.
Wow if that isn't some Stalin apologetics I don't know what is.
I want to know what it's like to pretend to have the moral high ground. I want to hear his excuse in having absolutely no shame. It's the equivalent of denouncing someone you don't like as a Nazi.
I never said capitalism and socialism can't coexist in some form; shit I'd be happy with functioning healthcare and corporstions that paid their fair sjare of taxes without insane subsidies, especially defense contractors. There are positive aspects of the free market that can be incorporated into a socialist system.
All comedians make money out of taking the piss out of someone. If you get your self worth out of agreeing with them you are neither liberal or nice. Most sensible people laugh at comics, not nod along.
Not being right, but calling out others for their supposed wrongness. They especially love calling out the ones on their side who have perceived ideological impurities so they can demonstrate to the rest just how pure they are. They don't actually care about the cases they espouse because effectiveness in accomplishing those goals aren't as important. It's very frustrating, to say the least.
Yeah dude, the people going to be in the studio audience of The Daily Show with Trevor Noah are all a bunch of truck-drivin', Miller-swillin' carnivores.
They do this with everything, they take a serious complaint their opposition has then repeat it with a mocking tone until it becomes meaningless, e.g. "muh freeze peaches".
Or they say something that's wrong with a serious tone then repeat it until people start taking it seriously, e.g. "privilege + prejudice = racism".
Because the distinction is intellectually bankrupt.
the bikelock attack probably never happened
Plural because there was one of each. The bikelock attack definitely happened, there is video and there's an identified suspect with multiple /r/drama threads about him.
what where do shovel attacks and the bike lock retard fit under brutalizing/raping women or using children in suicide bombings? Antifa is bad but they're not that bad
That's more a response to the second line with only "occasionally damaging private property" and of course a vindication of what Noah originally said about Antifa.
How can someone possibly compare Antifa to a group that cuts peoples' heads off? Does Antifa brutalize and rape women? Does Antifa use children as weapons in suicide bombings?
I mean, they're on video smashing people over the head with bike locks, throwing M80s, and bullying disabled veterans. They use the slogan "by any means necessary" and do their darnedest to act like they mean it, going so far as to name groups after that slogan. They dress in uniform for the explicit purpose of making it harder for the legal system to prosecute them, relying on the goodwill of the state (in the form of Blackstone's formulation) even as many of them decry that state as illegitimate.
And that's just the stuff I can remember off-hand.
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Take your fucking trash elsewhere, or eat it yourself and choke on it. Stop leaving it on my doorstep.
He said copy pasta. I pulled a vaguely related funny copy pasta. It's really easy for me. There's a Jailbreak tweak called "pasithea" where a second language (like Tibetan) keyboard gets changed into a clipboard with a capacity of 100 copy pastas. One tap and BOOM done! So yeah lol ¯\_(ツ) _/¯
Socialism: the people (defined as the proletariat) are paramount
The above user critiqued how liberals (including democrats and conservatives) wish to support private property over all, as property is considered one of the three founding tenets of an individual under liberalism.
How can you possibly simultaneously believe that "the people are paramount", while seeking to deprive them of a fundamental human right?
(Yes, I've read your 101 material on "personal property vs. private property". It doesn't actually make a difference. If I cannot charge rent, I cannot reasonably call a property my own, because the implication is that other people are entitled to spend as long as they want on it without negotiating an agreement with me. Also, the idea that "workers owning the means of production" changes anything is idiotic. Like, we already have that under capitalism - in the form of programmers who telecommute - and it demonstrably did not change anything. We have that, incidentally, due to technological progress that capitalism made possible; and capitalism not only never sought to prevent it, it welcomed the advance. Because it is amoral, not immoral.)
Lol read the pinned comment i need to go get my labor exploited for six more hours anyway so I can pay to exist. don't have time for your shitty opinions. Go to a different sub for debate about that.
Historicity has terrible predictive power, the means of production are available to anyone, quality of life continues to rise at an incredible pace. He was wrong, and telling me to read the 150 year old books by an anti-semite who didn't ever labor himself is like telling me to read the Bible.
If you can defend your own opinions, don't tell outcry people to educate themselves.
I don't see a pinned post here friend, I'm glad to find a fellow Trump supporter here though, most of the people here call me bad names for loving daddy unconditionally.
I like the part where you still somehow think this is an argument against the idea of democracy, you know, actually representing the will of the people.
No, socialism is refuted by the century or so of attempts worldwide to implement it, with universally catastrophic results involving millions of deaths.
Landlords are good now.
They were good to begin with.
telecommuting is the same as communism
No, telecommuting is the workers owning the means of production. Because that's obviously actually true: the workers literally purchased the physical computers they are using, and legally own them. Communism is, of course, a lot more than that. The point was that, since "seizing the means of production" evidently doesn't do anything (including but not limited to overthrowing capitalism), the private/personal property distinction is a farce.
Great job, class cuck.
Like, I heard you the first few times; you don't have to tell me yet again that you don't have an argument and are butthurt about it.
"Not an argument!" "My deliberate misunderstanding of a concept discredits said concept!" "Why aren't you taking this seriously?" Yes, I also think the Molyneux rhetorical style is super effective. Do you have a cult too?
Unironically thinking landlords are good. Jesus Christ. What kind of sexual pathology is that?
I do agree with you on one thing: Property. If I can't shove my big black dildo up u/zahlman's ass regardless of consent, I cannot reasonably call the dildo my own, because of the implication that u/zahlman might lube up and ruin all the fun.
A perfectly reasonable thing to say, because you don't actually have an argument. Literally all you did was sneer.
"My deliberate misunderstanding of a concept discredits said concept!"
I have not deliberately misunderstood any concept here. As far as I can tell, I have not misunderstood any concept here.
I merely fail to ascribe any value to a particular distinction you like to make, because it is a distinction without a difference.
"Why aren't you taking this seriously?"
I don't in fact expect you to take anything seriously. I'm simply pointing out how idiotic you sound. Which is, of course, a natural consequence of how idiotic you are; but I digress.
Unironically thinking landlords are good. Jesus Christ. What kind of sexual pathology is that?
Why don't you think they are? Explain this in a way that could possibly, even in principle, make sense to someone who isn't already part of your cult. Keep in mind that you don't get to appeal to moral values like "being wealthy is evil" or however you'd actually phrase it, because people not part of your cult don't actually hold them.
If I can't shove my big black dildo up u/zahlman's ass regardless of consent, I cannot reasonably call the dildo my own, because of the implication that u/zahlman might lube up and ruin all the fun.
Like, really obviously not at all analogous to what I said, in any way, shape or form. Charging rent on a property is a thing you're obviously entitled to do because that's what it means for land to be property: having the right not to have other people trespass upon it, except on your own terms (within the reasonable restrictions set forth by the law). Sodomizing others with your property is obviously not an entitlement, first off because of concepts like consent and bodily autonomy, and second because it has nothing to do with the concept of property. The actually analogous claim would be that I don't have the right to take your dildo from you and shove it up my own ass, because it's your dildo and not mine. Which, uh, actually sounds perfectly reasonable to normal people.
Do you ameridumbs ever realize how fucking retarded you sound to people from the west who don't come from a country stuck in the dark ages? Jesus fucking christ. Trump really is a perfect example of an amerifat.
"No, socialism is refuted by the century or so of attempts worldwide to implement it, with universally catastrophic results involving millions of deaths."
"Waaah waah I'm a braindead propaganda swallowing 90 iq'ed amerifat with a mutilated cock. I'll just vomit nonsense, HaHA GOT EM". - You.
Basically everyone except communists, some anarchists, monarchists, fascists, and some socialists are not liberals as they come from different philosophical/political traditions. Still even using "liberal" in a strictly American politics sense there are horrible ones (most of them) like Trevor Noah as you can see in the OP.
This reduces to "Everyone who doesn't want society run by a tyrannical dictator, is inherently terrible".
Yes, the anarchists too. They want themselves to be the dictators. It is a naked power ploy.
This reduces to "Everyone who doesn't want society run by a tyrannical dictator, is inherently terrible".
I mean this is by definition it's not a matter of opinion and I explicitly said being a liberal doesn't make someone inherently terrible, I mentioned two (there's more than two of course but these are prominent examples historically) who I believe are people we at least socialists should look up to.
I mean this is by definition it's not a matter of opinion
By definition of what word(s)? Show your reasoning.
I explicitly said being a liberal doesn't make someone inherently terrible
I'm sure you think some of them can be "redeemed", sure. That doesn't change the fact that you hate them, and that you preach a hateful ideology towards them, as part of a group that is hateful towards them.
It also doesn't change the fact that you want society to be run by a tyrannical dictator, just like the fascists do.
By definition of what word(s)?
By the definition of what liberalism is and how all the ideologies I mentioned either came before it's tradition and already separate, as reaction against it, or progression from it.
The rest of what you said doesn't deserve a serious answer because it isn't a serious response.
By the definition of what liberalism is and how all the ideologies I mentioned either came before it's tradition and already separate, as reaction against it, or a progression from it.
That doesn't answer my question. How does that prove that, if you don't want society run by a tyrannical dictator, that makes you inherently terrible?
The rest of what you said doesn't deserve a serious answer because it isn't a serious response.
Yes, it is. I'm sorry you don't feel that it is, but it is. It is completely, absolutely, dead serious.
You want society to be run by a tyrannical dictator, just like the fascists do, and you think liberals are terrible people for the specific reason that they do not want that.
My point was that those are all the ideologies that aren't in the liberal political philosophical tradition, that's all. I never claimed anything about inherent terribleness.
It is completely, absolutely, dead serious.
Just because you think something is dead serious doesn't make it serious given any real standard. You have no idea what you're talking about and you strawman the entire argument to fit your own narrative so why should you be taken seriously?
I never claimed anything about inherent terribleness.
If you didn't think being a liberal (as you define the concept) was inherently terrible you would be one, instead of posting in threads dedicated to complaining about them, in a subreddit for people who consider them the outgroup, as a part of a culture that is well-known for hating them. You also wouldn't draw the political dividing lines in a way that makes Democrats and Republicans fundamentally the same, given that the overwhelming majority of the American population a) falls into one of those camps and b) can immediately see what utter nonsense that is.
Just because you think something is dead serious doesn't make it serious given any real standard.
Um, yes, it does. I am the one who gets to determine whether I really mean what I'm saying or not. You aren't.
strawman the entire argument
Nothing I said was in any way a strawman. You really do want society to be run by a tyrannical dictator, which is something you have in common with the fascists. This is demonstrated by the fact that you support an ideology that has a long, perfect track record of causing exactly that to happen, even though you are aware of the history.
Society presents you with a dominant ideology that is based in personal freedom, and you reject it. Because you do not believe in personal freedom. This is why your ideology inevitably leads to tyrannical dictators.
It's not confusing pal. Even Tina Fey understood the difference with her head buried in a cake.
It's cute how you think the people getting hurt here actually are Nazis.
Or it would be, if it weren't fucking dangerous.
I particularly like the part where you didn't attempt to "correct" the "Or someone who just disagrees with them." bit. Because you know it's true, and you know it's terrible, and you don't have a way to justify it.
Guys, Hitler is bad and all, but Ernst Thälmann is just as bad, if not worse.
Please, not even in jest. The man was killed fighting for the cause and against Nazism. I hold him in the highest honor.
liberals don't
Lol, I like the part where you nerds expect anyone to know who the fuck that even is, let alone expect your political opponents (by which you apparently mean over 90% of the country) to use him as a talking point.
and no, antifa does not use the same tactics, shitwit. nazis kill people. antifa defends themselves and their communities from assault and harassment.
fucking w e w. You have literally one (1) example of this to work with right now, and Fields' political affiliation hasn't even been proven yet. Meanwhile, you're going to have a pretty hard time convincing me that Clanton didn't have murderous intent, because a guy with a fucking PhD reasonably ought to know that clobbering someone over the head with a piece of metal is often fatal.
How can someone possibly compare Antifa to a group that cuts peoples' heads off?
It's this little thing called a joke, but if you're dumb enough to buy into socialism, I doubt you'll be able to wrap your head around concepts like jokes.
Hey! You'll like this one: either you're too dense to know who the bad guys are, or you are just evil enough to argue in bad faith to advance shit ideas.
u/nefastvs, as a dense person, I am triggered by your ableism. I thought r/socialism was a safe space for all levels of retardation.
Honestly, even as someone who isn't still a child and thus not a socialist moron, that's a pretty solid zinger. I think you'll make an excellent capitalist when you grow up some day.
Trevor Noah is a vile, smug liberal talk show host.
The mainstream media, keeps pushing the "anti fascists are just as bad, if not worse than fascists" narrative.
Nancy Pelosi wants to legally smear Antifa as "terrorists".
Looks like the American government is openly tolerating fascists.
I can easily see this idiotic remark by Trevor Noah as a signal that the mainstream media and the American government, along with the wealthy elite, will do anything to sabotage any potentially growing leftist movements from organizing.
when did beating stupid down become wrong? you are a literal retard who has misjudged their importance to society. learn your place bitch, its at the end of the check out bagging my fucking groceries. i want that shit double bagged.
Elliot Rodger was the result of miscegenation. I mean, I shouldn't be complaining as I am currently nailing a mulatto girl whose father is a dentist in Darien (guess where she gets her white half lol) but I'm not putting my babies in her, no fucking way.
I've noticed the left wing pundit types are turning slowly against antifa. I think they figured out they can't be allowed to represent the anti-trump people come 2018.
The far-left groups are so fuckin' bad at PR. The same people who desire revolution are often the same people who don't seem to think they need to court the masses.
Tbh, if you dont promise to vivisect and then set on fire anybody who has ever said anything criticozong anybody that has ever said anything against a nazi ever then you deserve to slowly starve to death in a gulag
Exactly what Dan Harmon was on about. He said that yes, there were two sides- one was Nazis and the other was against Nazis.
Someone should tell poor Comrade /u/drkalmenius that you can hate Nazis and still be a piece of shit. For example, the communists of the USSR were against the actual, honest-to-God, Hitler is the fuhrer Nazis in WWII when it mattered. It wasn't just the proud, freedom-loving democracies of western Europe and our own republic. Of course, you'd probably have to explain to them why Stalin was a monster and commies are no better than Nazis, which would likely make them toss their tendies and start a rousing round of "NOT REAL COMMUNISM/SOCIALISM."
As predicted, the tendies are all over the floor. The only reason the sub I summoned you from is called /r/socialism is because Reddit would ban a sub called /r/Retards.
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1 nmx179 2017-09-01
Holy shit.
Trevor Noah said something funny.
1 Cauchemar89 2017-09-01
'Member when rightwingers used to be the stick-up-your-ass killjoys and lefties the ones with a sense of humor? I member.
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2017-09-01
The left is still the counterculture though #resist
1 nooboftheforest 2017-09-01
lmao the culture supported almost unanimously by the media and the establishment is the counter culture?
1 StrawRedditor 2017-09-01
I think he was being sarcastic.
1 nooboftheforest 2017-09-01
It's hard to tell with the r/esist types
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-01
tell me more about this "(((the establishment)))," what is it? clearly not the political establishment
1 FaygoMakesMeGo 2017-09-01
Thats like saying racism is gone because we have a black pres.
1 TNBK 2017-09-01
President, majority in house, senate, and supreme court now as well I think
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-01
1.) we don't have a black pres
2.) how the fuck is it even remotely like that lmao
1 strathmeyer 2017-09-01
Is that why Bernie won?
1 nooboftheforest 2017-09-01
No it's why the nomination got rigged for Hillary
1 ekk22 2017-09-01
The fact that the furthest left democratic candidate (who is a a socdem so not even that leftist) was disadvantaged in the primary proves the left is supported by the establishment? So for you left=centrist democrats, now i understand why you think they are supported by the media and the establishment. Everyone further left isn't even considered or is despised.
1 nooboftheforest 2017-09-01
Oh not Bernie's left, the establishment left. Tbh liberals today aren't liberals, which is why "classical liberalism" is a thing.
But yeah Hillary's brand of liberalism is the establishment
1 OhNoHesZooming 2017-09-01
There's no such thing as counterculture anymore. The Occupy Wall Street and Tea Party stuff were the last gasps of a dying concept. The internet has so thoroughly integrated society that you cannot have a movement like that anymore.
1 Th3rmal95 2017-09-01
Nice oxymoron.
1 LemonScore 2017-09-01
Looking back at "leftie humour" it was just the same Colbert esque propaganda and virtue-signaling.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-01
Yeah um no. But nice try tho 💁
1 SlayerofKings4 2017-09-01
It was.
Also, this is a right-wing sub.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-01
Things to be given:
Shit ❌
Fucks ❌
rat's ass ❌
Oops 😕
1 SlayerofKings4 2017-09-01
You're gay.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-01
I can be if you're the sex as me ( ͡° ͜ʖ ) ͡°
1 SupaDupaFlyAccount 2017-09-01
Mayocide when?
1 SlayerofKings4 2017-09-01
When the niggers and beaners decide to stop living on welfare.
1 Gothmog26 2017-09-01
We're radically centrist: everyone's getting nuked.
1 SlayerofKings4 2017-09-01
Radical centrism is blatant idiocy. Everyone needs to take a side, you can not sit in the center and expect to not get run over.
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-01
what do you think virtue signaling is exactly
1 FaygoMakesMeGo 2017-09-01
This but unironically.
1 Gothmog26 2017-09-01
Yes.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2017-09-01
Stewart can have pretty smart and funny moments in his highlights. Colbert is an amazing comedian as well.
It isn't all just yelling at clouds about current year.
1 jerry101246 2017-09-01
define what funny means to you
1 CirqueDuFuder 2017-09-01
They do a good job of highlighting absurd behavior with satire. I find Colbert to be funnier though.
1 ndizzIe 2017-09-01
THAT'S TWO SCOOPS TOO MANY DONALD
1 CirqueDuFuder 2017-09-01
I never said any comedian is perfect.
1 ReBurnInator 2017-09-01
everything on /r/funny
1 fourbet 2017-09-01
I think GW Bush was just easier to make fun of than Trump. Trump is kinda easy but most of the jokes are played out "SMALL HANDS LOL".
Bush consistently said ridiculous shit and misspoke with a psuedo-Texan accent.
In hindsight my opinions of Colbert and Stewart have kinda dropped, I think they were given a real softball with Bush.
1 Ivashkin 2017-09-01
Political comedy only really works when you are punching up, and there is a lag in comedians changing their acts. The Daily Show was good during the Bush era, kinda lost itself when Obama won and is still trying to find a new voice now that Trump is in office.
1 mmzznnxx 2017-09-01
It's all about Lewis Black though. He leans left but is mostly a dirty centrist and south park neutral and makes fun of everyone.
That's if you can get past his screaming delivery. It cracks me up, but it's not for everyone.
1 pickfunk 2017-09-01
It wasn't even that long ago. Like, for a good part of the 20th century up to W's presidency the left was strongly pro-free speech. Then it's like a switch was flipped a few years back. They're becoming even more annoying than back when soccer moms and conservative Christians actually had political power and tried to censor everything.
1 -absolutego- 2017-09-01
It was always there, but the seething hatred Americans had of anything even remotely Communist during the Cold War kept them on the fringes where they belonged.
Then the wall came down, the USSR split apart, China became capitalist in all but name, and Communism became a joke rather than an existential threat. The left-wing moral busybodies weren't considered a threat anymore and they subsequently became more and more brazen in pushing their idiocy.
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-01
but there's only like six Communists in america, how are they doing all this
1 -absolutego- 2017-09-01
The operative phrase there was "remotely Communist". Left-wing moral busybodies of all stripes benefited from America no longer considering Communism their biggest geopolitical threat.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2017-09-01
You aren't counting the ones that haven't finished their college electives yet.
1 nanonan 2017-09-01
McCarthy was severely underestimating the problem. (((Where))) did you get the idea that there is only six of them?
1 Ivashkin 2017-09-01
I think the answer is much simpler than this. It's mainly that a lot of people like to control other people and have very conservative views about what is acceptable to think about. Given the absence of a traditional religious framework, they created something similar around social justice issues and did the exact same thing as people who burnt "witches" did a few centuries ago.
1 -absolutego- 2017-09-01
Yeah, but people have been creating secular cults as a response to the decline of traditional religion ever since Nietzsche. I'm more explaining why it suddenly got prominence in the United States when, prior to the end of the Cold War, this mindset was exclusively limited to mid-20th Century Europe and, to some extent, eastern Asia.
1 Ivashkin 2017-09-01
I see that as a separate issue, it's not even like antifa are communist or left wing in a way that fits into the Red Scare mentality. It's just about a desire for control in a situation where they have none, so they feel they need to resort to violence to gain control.
1 -absolutego- 2017-09-01
Since when are we talking about Antifa? I'm referring to all the identity politicians and socialists who have taken over left-wing media and generally act as killjoys. Antifa is a separate issue as far as I'm concerned, though I do disagree with your assertion that they aren't left wing, considering their justification for their behavior is universally rooted in themes of anti-capitalism, anti-colonialism and anti-whatever-they-declare-as-bigotry.
1 wolfdreams01 2017-09-01
Because 90s-era liberals like me (and to a lesser extent, Jon Stewart) made being a liberal cool. The wasted organ-donor sacks that comprise the Authoritarian Left want to control people, but more than that, they want to be liked.
These failed attempts at humanity will never be liked for whom they genuinely are, because they are disgusting people, inside and out. So like a parrot, they tried to mimic the behavior of the cool people without any understanding of the motivations or logic behind it. "Leftists are cool, therefore if we become leftists we will be the coolest," is as far as their thinking went. And then they just tried to outdo each other in who could be more left, to the point that they are punching imaginary Nazis to try to show authenticity. Zoe Quinn, Joss Whedon, Bill Nye - these are all people who are just jumping on the liberal bandwagon as a way to gain status and money. They aren't real liberals. They're barely even real humans. They are simply opportunists with a void in the place where empathy or integrity are supposed to be.
Of course, what they don't understand is that they will never be cool, because they're failures at life. Joining the liberal team didn't make them cool, it just made liberals suck. It's similar to allowing a fat 13 year old to join the New York Giants football team. The end result is not going to be an awesome 13 year old, it's going to be a team that ends up losing constantly because of the 13 year idiot that they allowed onboard. Meanwhile, all the good players emd up leaving the team because they don't want to have their careers and reputations dragged down by some 13 year old scrote.
Soon, these whiny shits will realize that being a liberal is no longer cool, because all the cool people (like myself) have already left to play for the opposite team. Then once they realize that being a conservative is popular, they will pretend that they are real conservatives and will try to outdo each other in the same sad attempt to pretend that they are fully actualized human beings.
The mistake of former leftists like me is that we allowed these broken puppets to join us, instead of throwing sticks at them and driving them out to starve in the desert. Please learn from our mistake. When being a conservative becomes cool again (which is already happening), and these bottom-feeders come scrounging over and try to ally with you in their endless quest to be popular, try to remember that they are not real allies, or even real humans - they are sociopaths who will turn on you the second they cannot benefit from their alliance.
P.S. Also, please feel free to use this wall of text as either a copypasta or quote for Snappy.
1 Heydammit 2017-09-01
No one that is actually fucking cool and hip actually thinks conservativism is the next thing, why did you even write that.
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2017-09-01
It's certainly the new counterculture
1 Zach-uh-ri-uh 2017-09-01
This is a long comment but lemme just ask you... when you say authoritarian left, do you mean Antifa? Not sure if you're all in on what anarchism is, buddy. They generally tend to lean more towards the "no authority, lets wreak havoc" kind of deal
Authoritarian left you'll probably wanna look more at MLMs (Marxist-Leninist-Maoists), leninists, third wordists; so called "tankies"
For reference: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
1 -absolutego- 2017-09-01
In my experience anarchists in general and antifa in particular are hypocrites who are all too eager to use state force when it comes to fighting perceived discrimination or hatred but the whine about it if it's ever applied to them.
Anarcho-communism, an ideology found amongst antifa members in spades, is literally "it's ok when I do it", the political system.
1 StrawRedditor 2017-09-01
They identify as anarchists, yet push for government censorship so....
1 nmx179 2017-09-01
Every anarchist is a baffled dictator
1 Tophattingson 2017-09-01
Cookies are still authoritarian, as a Lynch mob enforcer is equally as capable of authority as a top-down enforcer.
1 actuallyhasaJD 2017-09-01
Well, neither are the part-time baristas that compose antifa, to be fair.
1 no_for_reals 2017-09-01
If conservatives' contribution to the "cool" factor is shit like
I wouldn't get your hopes up.
1 Morrigan101 2017-09-01
Honestly cool doesn't mean it's smart or logical or good remember people used to think pogs and AOL discs were cool in the 90s, in the 2000s emo and nowadays being autistic (those spinners )
1 no_for_reals 2017-09-01
Inviting people to make a copypasta out of your own post is never going to be cool. It's about as cool as quoting yourself saying some self-indulgent philosophical bullshit on Facebook.
1 wolfdreams01 2017-09-01
I was just beating r/drama to the punch. I knew that if I didn't add the last sentence some tard would say "nice copypasta bro" or "we should use that for Snappy" so I figured I'd take away their fun by letting them know I was OK with it.
Don't get me wrong, I love r/drama, but it does have to be admitted that some of the people who come here are uninspired emo kids who say cliche shit like that.
1 DudeCat 2017-09-01
Part of it is people have no fucking clue what socialism is. Look at Bernie - he called himself a "democratic socialist" when he's actually a "social democrat." Similarly, people have a fascination with Scandinavian countries and their high HDI scores and social democracies while thinking that those too are socialist countries.
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2017-09-01
Nah, you're the fucking idiot here. Bernie is a socialist who ran on SocDem programs. He also tried to develop C L A S S C O N S C I O U S N E S S in America
1 DudeCat 2017-09-01
That doesn't make sense. Can a Fascist run on a Communist platform? Does that make them a Fascist or a Communist? Bernie is big on the working class, but he stops short of seizing the means of production.
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2017-09-01
It makes perfect sense you fucking retard. Spend 2 minutes looking into Bernie Sanders past. He was a socialist who ran on SocDem proposals so he had a chance of being elected.
1 DudeCat 2017-09-01
So what you're saying is if someone runs on a Communist platform, but calls himself a Fascist, even though he only implements Communist policies and when pressed to describe his idea of Fascism, he describes Communism, he is still a Fascist. That makes a lot of sense, retard.
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2017-09-01
Sanders is a socialist. He ran of a platform of Social Democracy. He tried to make Socialism palatable. He helped introduce C L A S S C O N C I O U S N E S S into America
Look into nicaragua, look into Debs. This guy is not some lulzy Socdem you utter fucking retard. How hard is this to understand?
1 DudeCat 2017-09-01
Oh man, you really won me over repeating that vaporwave C L A S S C O N S C I O U S N E S S. What's funny is you support my initial point. No one fucking knows what Socialism is, which is why you have so many chucklefucks spouting off about how great it is when they are actually fans of SocDem policies. I still disagree that Sanders is actually socialist given that plenty of other SocDem politicians in other countries where Socialism isn't a bad word also had friendly relations with union leaders and socialist states (say someone like Justin Trudeau).
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2017-09-01
Sanders knows what socialism is. He knows he can't win on that platform. He chose to campaign on a platform that is socdem. Socialism is pretty much a dirty word across the establishment everywhere. Even in places like the UK and France
1 DudeCat 2017-09-01
Your point doesn't make sense because if socialism is such a dirty word, why would Sanders call himself that while implementing the more palatable SocDem policies? The opposite would make more sense - call yourself something benign but attempt to implement actually socialist things.
Also, Socialism is definitely not a dirty word in France. Where the fuck are you getting that from? BTW - the Parti Socialiste is also more of a SocDem party. My guess is this is where Bernie's thinking comes from.
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2017-09-01
He's normalising it dumbass.
1 DudeCat 2017-09-01
No he isn't, dolt. Way to keep repeating retarded shit.
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2017-09-01
Of course he fucking is. Keep Yourself Safe
1 DudeCat 2017-09-01
Prove it. Like your lie about how socialism is a bad word in France when the socialist party is one of their biggest political parties. His idea of Democratic Socialism is more in line with what Social Democracy is. Everything he's done is consistent with that.
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2017-09-01
As I said, look into his part. A lolzy soc dem would not be in nicaragua or idolise Eugene debbs
France's socialist party is by and large a soc dem party
1 DudeCat 2017-09-01
Trudeau was in fucking Castro's lap as a kid. Doesn't make him a socialist. I already replied to that point, you just repeated it. Nice try.
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2017-09-01
What are you fucking about cunt
1 DudeCat 2017-09-01
I have touched that, but you keep missing it. Let's talk about France.
They have the Parti Socialiste. You just admitted that they are really SocDem. This party is friendly to unions and socialist states. Your criticisms of Sanders apply equally to this party, yet you claim they are SocDem.
Now, for some reason, you have this bug up your ass trying to call Sanders a socialist, despite everything he's doing being more SocDem. "Muh he's NORMALIZING SOCIALISM." Here's the American version of Parti Socialiste.
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2017-09-01
You haven't touched that, you're going after some irrelevant side comment
1 DudeCat 2017-09-01
I have replied to it multiple times, retard. It makes no sense to say someone is a Socialist that is running on a SocDem platform, especially given that everything Sanders has done is SocDem. What you're basically saying is, "Well he's practically a Social Democrat, but deep down I know there's a filthy Socialist soul."
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2017-09-01
BUT HE LITERALLY FUCKING HASN'T OMFG
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-01
I thought the pendulum was swinging back after "cock holster" but if it is it's taking too long
1 eDgEIN708 2017-09-01
I blame 9/11. So when you think about it it's really Hillary Clinton's fault.
1 jubbergun 2017-09-01
Because they've used their freedom of speech to advance their agendas, many of which are/were incredibly unpopular, and they don't other people using their freedom of speech to undo what they've done. It shouldn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out why they act like they do.
1 captainpriapism 2017-09-01
i cant remember if jokes about george bush were any better than the cringey trump stuff now or if i was just 20 and didnt know any better
1 Neronoah 2017-09-01
Why should I care? I still can laugh at all the cringe on the internet. Humor has been automatized.
1 tepidbathwater 2017-09-01
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
1 Pretentious_Nazi 2017-09-01
No, I don't.
1 actuallyhasaJD 2017-09-01
There was a political joke that went, "Conservatism is the paralyzing fear that someone, somewhere, is having a good time."
I think we can switch it out for progressivism these days.
1 Neon_needles 2017-09-01
Every time I read threads like this, I always think "Why hasn't /u/Minn-ee-sottaa moved to a third world county and get raped and killed yet?"
1 CirqueDuFuder 2017-09-01
His rich Asian parents know they make more in America and Minnie wants to lead the revolution through his showing up to random Minnesota BLM protests to help the 5 black people there.
1 SpectroSpecter 2017-09-01
You'd be surprised how many black people live in minnesota. Especially somalians. Downtown minneapolis seriously looks like northern africa.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2017-09-01
I know the city has been increasing people from there. The amount isn't significant when you consider the state as a whole. The city is white as fuck too. It would be nothing when compared to any generic Northeast city much less places in the South.
I was also cracking a joke. The loser is fucking set with his upper class life from the very beginning and he treats the USA like a war torn dystopian politics state with roaming death squads.
1 buttsecksyermum 2017-09-01
Damn. I haven't run across his particular brand of absolute retardery in a while.
1 TacoPete911 2017-09-01
Wow if that isn't some Stalin apologetics I don't know what is.
1 buttsecksyermum 2017-09-01
Is that from the retard /u/Minn-ee-sottaa posting history? Sounds like something that fucking degenerate pile of faecal matter would say.
1 ReBurnInator 2017-09-01
It's all posted from his iPhone.
1 PhysicsIsMyMistress 2017-09-01
TBH hating on minorities for having dumb views are fine.
1 autistitron 2017-09-01
Except /r/socialism posters can't call it dumb, or quote your post, without a ban for ableism.
1 Karma-Means-Nothing 2017-09-01
yes
1 CuriousKrow 2017-09-01
MAXIMUM IRONY
/u/Sir_Doobenheim
Gas Nazis and Commies.
1 holy_black_on_a_popo 2017-09-01
Commies first. We can benefit from the gassing experience that Nazis have.
1 Gothmog26 2017-09-01
Do the raft thing from the Dark knight, except with gas Chambers. What they don't know is that they have the button for their own chamber.
1 holy_black_on_a_popo 2017-09-01
Ah! See? You're the idea guy. Good work. ;)
1 SaintJason 2017-09-01
Tbh Isis actually aren't scared of being recorded though.
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-01
so antifa is cops too? man they're complicated
1 pepperouchau 2017-09-01
Because he's a comedian making a silly throwaway comment Jesus Christ why are you taking this so seriously
1 autistitron 2017-09-01
Because being out of touch with people in general is a prerequisite to being a socialist.
That and a burning, genocidal hatred for catgirls and any woman who draws them.
Comment, /r/totalscrotalimplosio ?
1 InOranAsElsewhere 2017-09-01
You need to use /u/ to ping people, you catastrophic failure of a human being.
1 autistitron 2017-09-01
Fuck
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-09-01
You can still edit your comment btw
1 pepperouchau 2017-09-01
Or he could delete his avco
1 InOranAsElsewhere 2017-09-01
This but unironically.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-09-01
For the record, I meant that
bullyingnot talking about users behind their backs works even if you edit your comment later to include their username.1 autistitron 2017-09-01
I heard pings dont work after an edit, and there's no point in hiding my shame.
1 Ranilen 2017-09-01
/u/totalscrotalimplosio
Fuck, you might as well be a socialist too, just having others do your work like that.
1 totalscrotalimplosio 2017-09-01
I am, and that's not how socialism works guy.
1 Ranilen 2017-09-01
Not enough gulags?
1 totalscrotalimplosio 2017-09-01
Too many private prisons, not enough lines for potato
1 Ranilen 2017-09-01
Alright, that was actually pretty funny.
1 pepperouchau 2017-09-01
>socialism
>works
Pick one
1 totalscrotalimplosio 2017-09-01
I dunno, Norway and Sweden seem to work out pretty well.
As does our fire departments, PDs, libraries, military, Congressional healthcare, hell even FEMA for after harvey.
1 Meme_Warfare_Center 2017-09-01
http://i.imgur.com/fDHcBev.jpg
1 totalscrotalimplosio 2017-09-01
I never said capitalism and socialism can't coexist in some form; shit I'd be happy with functioning healthcare and corporstions that paid their fair sjare of taxes without insane subsidies, especially defense contractors. There are positive aspects of the free market that can be incorporated into a socialist system.
1 Meme_Warfare_Center 2017-09-01
dude, you need to get off of /r/socialism and hit the econ and political science section at your local library.
1 totalscrotalimplosio 2017-09-01
Kewl have a good night kbye
1 totalscrotalimplosio 2017-09-01
Guess you would prefer someone reap all the fruits of your labor.
1 Gothmog26 2017-09-01
/u/totalscrotalimplosio do you hate cat girls because you want a submissive woman?
1 totalscrotalimplosio 2017-09-01
Already have one, and I don't know the cat girl reference, but I also don't speak for the mods at /r/socialism
1 StrawRedditor 2017-09-01
Because these people get their self-worth out of being "right" and having mainstream comedians/media agree with them.
1 Works_of_memercy 2017-09-01
comedia
1 ironicshitpostr 2017-09-01
Hahaha retards they should get their self-worth out of mocking idiots like we do
1 not_raw_enough 2017-09-01
This, but unironically.
1 ironicshitpostr 2017-09-01
I wasn't being ironic.
1 Going_up_the_Country 2017-09-01
This, but postbussily.
1 jet199 2017-09-01
All comedians make money out of taking the piss out of someone. If you get your self worth out of agreeing with them you are neither liberal or nice. Most sensible people laugh at comics, not nod along.
1 Clopernicus 2017-09-01
Not being right, but calling out others for their supposed wrongness. They especially love calling out the ones on their side who have perceived ideological impurities so they can demonstrate to the rest just how pure they are. They don't actually care about the cases they espouse because effectiveness in accomplishing those goals aren't as important. It's very frustrating, to say the least.
1 CirqueDuFuder 2017-09-01
AUTISM
1 totalscrotalimplosio 2017-09-01
"Extremely minor point" means I'm not taking it very seriously. You need some help with reading comprehension.
1 headasplodes 2017-09-01
I bet someone in that thread has called him a house nigger or uncle Tom. This is the closest I could find
/u/cindysoloud you know Mandela literally was a terrorist
1 pepperouchau 2017-09-01
Wow how rude we're only crypto-hate
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-01
u/cindysoloud
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-01
u/cindysoloud
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-01
u/cindysoloud
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-01
u/cindysoloud
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-01
u/cindysoloud
1 Whores_anus 2017-09-01
Zle
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-01
Zozzle!
1 Neon_needles 2017-09-01
1 zeldaisaprude 2017-09-01
/u/cindysoloud why are you such a nazi, what did jew children ever do to you?
1 Pinksister 2017-09-01
/u/cindysoloud
1 ProGenji 2017-09-01
u/cindosoloud
1 CirqueDuFuder 2017-09-01
u/CindySoLoud tag you are it
1 GrovelingPeasant 2017-09-01
/u/cindysoloud
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-01
Fucking lol 😂
1 GrovelingPeasant 2017-09-01
1 Bussypostin 2017-09-01
/u/CindySoLoud, notice me senpai
1 SpectroSpecter 2017-09-01
By south african standards, setting people's heads on fire until they die is considered an act of charity worthy of becoming the leader of the country
1 drellby_primpton 2017-09-01
i'd say they're more like lactoovovegetarian decepticons
1 Ennui2778 2017-09-01
It actually made me chuckle quietly. Didn't know /r/socialism could do that.
1 aqouta 2017-09-01
They'll make good witty capitalists when they grow up.
1 Ennui2778 2017-09-01
/u/_work
Yeah dude, the people going to be in the studio audience of The Daily Show with Trevor Noah are all a bunch of truck-drivin', Miller-swillin' carnivores.
1 pepperouchau 2017-09-01
I think Miller has union shops so they're probably more than touch with the plight of the worker than anyone on lefty reddit
1 Lions08Owen16 2017-09-01
ALL the pre Coors Miller shops are union.
1 alexmikli 2017-09-01
So the bikelock and shovel attacks never happened?
1 StrawRedditor 2017-09-01
I always find it interesting how they downplay "damage private property" like it's literally nothing (totally ignoring the "occasionally").
I mean, sure, smash up a persons store and cost people their jobs and/or livelihood... no big deal.
Smash some cars, people don't need to get to work or get paid or anything.
1 MaybeNotaTurtle 2017-09-01
They do this with everything, they take a serious complaint their opposition has then repeat it with a mocking tone until it becomes meaningless, e.g. "muh freeze peaches".
Or they say something that's wrong with a serious tone then repeat it until people start taking it seriously, e.g. "privilege + prejudice = racism".
1 CuriousKrow 2017-09-01
Marxist believe "property is theft". So they don't feel empathy when they smash someone else's stuff.
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-01
why am i not surprised
but no the bikelock attacks probably never happened, that doesn't even sound feasible
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
Because the distinction is intellectually bankrupt.
Plural because there was one of each. The bikelock attack definitely happened, there is video and there's an identified suspect with multiple /r/drama threads about him.
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-01
how do you remove a lock from a bike? did he run the whole vehicle into the victim or
1 22C9 2017-09-01
He attacked someone with a bike lock, I don't know where he got the bike lock from.
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-01
i don't know what a bike lock is
1 22C9 2017-09-01
It looks like this. I think you wre thinking of motorbikes not bicycles.
1 Namenamenamenamena 2017-09-01
I think he used a chain one
1 AwkwardTurtleSS 2017-09-01
Unfortunately it was actually a U-lock style system, which allowed his effete bussy touching hands to get a solid grip on its rigid black rod.
1 skivian 2017-09-01
Go on...
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-01
they put motors on bikes now?
1 holditsteady 2017-09-01
You are dumb as hell
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-01
no you
1 holy_black_on_a_popo 2017-09-01
And shooting elected officials at baseball games.
1 kermit_was_right 2017-09-01
What did that have to do with antifa?
1 alexmikli 2017-09-01
He was a leftist but yeah he wasn't part of Antifa AFAIK
1 DCanon 2017-09-01
antifa is just a collection of leftists
1 alexmikli 2017-09-01
Specifically violent ones, and usually anarcho-communiss.
1 ay_what_up 2017-09-01
what where do shovel attacks and the bike lock retard fit under brutalizing/raping women or using children in suicide bombings? Antifa is bad but they're not that bad
1 alexmikli 2017-09-01
That's more a response to the second line with only "occasionally damaging private property" and of course a vindication of what Noah originally said about Antifa.
1 KingNothing305 2017-09-01
So they admit antifa breaks shit when when they show up but counter with at least they don't kill people? WOW
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
I like the part where the publication being screencapped is apparently somehow confused that Noah holds this view.
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
/u/Sir_Doobenheim
I mean, they're on video smashing people over the head with bike locks, throwing M80s, and bullying disabled veterans. They use the slogan "by any means necessary" and do their darnedest to act like they mean it, going so far as to name groups after that slogan. They dress in uniform for the explicit purpose of making it harder for the legal system to prosecute them, relying on the goodwill of the state (in the form of Blackstone's formulation) even as many of them decry that state as illegitimate.
And that's just the stuff I can remember off-hand.
/u/PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ
Muh mean words :'(
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-01
/u/PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ
PM yourself a selfie because you existence is a really sad one.
1 PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 2017-09-01
Oh no, my reality is crumbling down around me. Who knew a reddit comment was all that it would take??
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-01
My comment hit a nerve didn't it? Made you reply lol.
1 PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ 2017-09-01
Well a mention appeared in my inbox, and this isn't the first time someone's come up with that witty jab, I basically copy paste my response now :)
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-01
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Take your fucking trash elsewhere, or eat it yourself and choke on it. Stop leaving it on my doorstep.
1 AngryAlt1 2017-09-01
I know this is copy pasta, but you're clearly putting more effort and emotional investment into this spat than he is
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-01
He said copy pasta. I pulled a vaguely related funny copy pasta. It's really easy for me. There's a Jailbreak tweak called "pasithea" where a second language (like Tibetan) keyboard gets changed into a clipboard with a capacity of 100 copy pastas. One tap and BOOM done! So yeah lol ¯\_(ツ) _/¯
1 DefNotaZombie 2017-09-01
you're shitposting at levels I didn't even know exist
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-01
:p
1 SlayerofKings4 2017-09-01
Well, you niggers really get riled up by words so you can't blame him for thinking so.
1 ZeitgeistNow 2017-09-01
I would've thought your realization that socialism will never work would've done that for you
1 pepperouchau 2017-09-01
https://gfycat.com/CavernousSecondBobolink
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-01
Wow that's the shittiest reaction gif I've ever witnessed.
UPVOTED!!!
1 pepperouchau 2017-09-01
Not wavy smh
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
/u/Parker_I
How can you possibly simultaneously believe that "the people are paramount", while seeking to deprive them of a fundamental human right?
(Yes, I've read your 101 material on "personal property vs. private property". It doesn't actually make a difference. If I cannot charge rent, I cannot reasonably call a property my own, because the implication is that other people are entitled to spend as long as they want on it without negotiating an agreement with me. Also, the idea that "workers owning the means of production" changes anything is idiotic. Like, we already have that under capitalism - in the form of programmers who telecommute - and it demonstrably did not change anything. We have that, incidentally, due to technological progress that capitalism made possible; and capitalism not only never sought to prevent it, it welcomed the advance. Because it is amoral, not immoral.)
1 Parker_I 2017-09-01
Just looking to explain founding ideologies not looking to argue with capitalists today lmao. Read the pinned comment.
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-09-01
Come back when you can handle distribution of goods and services with no markets and no currency.
1 Parker_I 2017-09-01
Lol read the pinned comment i need to go get my labor exploited for six more hours anyway so I can pay to exist. don't have time for your shitty opinions. Go to a different sub for debate about that.
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-09-01
Exploited just means 'put to use'. Why not start your own business and work for yourself?
1 Parker_I 2017-09-01
Read some marx
1 Unicorn_Abattoir 2017-09-01
I have.
Historicity has terrible predictive power, the means of production are available to anyone, quality of life continues to rise at an incredible pace. He was wrong, and telling me to read the 150 year old books by an anti-semite who didn't ever labor himself is like telling me to read the Bible.
If you can defend your own opinions, don't tell outcry people to educate themselves.
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
outgroup*?
1 Eternal_Mr_Bones 2017-09-01
Figures a socialist wants someone else to do their work for them.
1 heavenlytoaster 2017-09-01
From each according to his ability... Wait a sec I have no ability, jackpot!
1 aqouta 2017-09-01
So the proles are paramount, and the proles overwhelmingly voted for Trump, therefore the socialist thing to do is support trump :)
1 Parker_I 2017-09-01
Good God did we get linked to some cap sub? Pinned post
1 aqouta 2017-09-01
I don't see a pinned post here friend, I'm glad to find a fellow Trump supporter here though, most of the people here call me bad names for loving daddy unconditionally.
1 Parker_I 2017-09-01
Lol mobile fucked up and I thought I was still in socialism not some fash sub
1 aqouta 2017-09-01
We try not to be fashionable here, recently we hit too subs and tried to scare people away with a zozzle bot. Zozzlebot was pretty great, he'd say:
Then reply to himself:
And finally complete the exercise with a satisfying:
So we're not really fash.
1 Ennui2778 2017-09-01
Zozbot was the last true revolutionary.
F
/u/cindysoloud
1 Gothmog26 2017-09-01
Glad we lynched him.
1 heavenlytoaster 2017-09-01
Zozzbot demonstrated the perfect dialectic.
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
I like the part where you still somehow think this is an argument against the idea of democracy, you know, actually representing the will of the people.
1 pepperouchau 2017-09-01
This sub is crypto-hate™ not fash thank you very much
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
"I just want to be able to tell everyone why I'm right, not actually have to convince people who disagree"
Don't we all.
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-01
landlords are fucking stupid fuck em
1 joeTaco 2017-09-01
Wow, your half assed post refutes socialism. Landlords are good now. Great job, class cuck.
1 PM_ME_FREE_FOOD 2017-09-01
Socialism is already refuted
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
No, socialism is refuted by the century or so of attempts worldwide to implement it, with universally catastrophic results involving millions of deaths.
They were good to begin with.
No, telecommuting is the workers owning the means of production. Because that's obviously actually true: the workers literally purchased the physical computers they are using, and legally own them. Communism is, of course, a lot more than that. The point was that, since "seizing the means of production" evidently doesn't do anything (including but not limited to overthrowing capitalism), the private/personal property distinction is a farce.
Like, I heard you the first few times; you don't have to tell me yet again that you don't have an argument and are butthurt about it.
1 joeTaco 2017-09-01
"Not an argument!" "My deliberate misunderstanding of a concept discredits said concept!" "Why aren't you taking this seriously?" Yes, I also think the Molyneux rhetorical style is super effective. Do you have a cult too?
Unironically thinking landlords are good. Jesus Christ. What kind of sexual pathology is that?
I do agree with you on one thing: Property. If I can't shove my big black dildo up u/zahlman's ass regardless of consent, I cannot reasonably call the dildo my own, because of the implication that u/zahlman might lube up and ruin all the fun.
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
A perfectly reasonable thing to say, because you don't actually have an argument. Literally all you did was sneer.
I have not deliberately misunderstood any concept here. As far as I can tell, I have not misunderstood any concept here.
I merely fail to ascribe any value to a particular distinction you like to make, because it is a distinction without a difference.
I don't in fact expect you to take anything seriously. I'm simply pointing out how idiotic you sound. Which is, of course, a natural consequence of how idiotic you are; but I digress.
Why don't you think they are? Explain this in a way that could possibly, even in principle, make sense to someone who isn't already part of your cult. Keep in mind that you don't get to appeal to moral values like "being wealthy is evil" or however you'd actually phrase it, because people not part of your cult don't actually hold them.
Like, really obviously not at all analogous to what I said, in any way, shape or form. Charging rent on a property is a thing you're obviously entitled to do because that's what it means for land to be property: having the right not to have other people trespass upon it, except on your own terms (within the reasonable restrictions set forth by the law). Sodomizing others with your property is obviously not an entitlement, first off because of concepts like consent and bodily autonomy, and second because it has nothing to do with the concept of property. The actually analogous claim would be that I don't have the right to take your dildo from you and shove it up my own ass, because it's your dildo and not mine. Which, uh, actually sounds perfectly reasonable to normal people.
1 qaswexextort 2017-09-01
Do you ameridumbs ever realize how fucking retarded you sound to people from the west who don't come from a country stuck in the dark ages? Jesus fucking christ. Trump really is a perfect example of an amerifat.
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
Cool story bro, but I'm Canadian. I also vote for the NDP.
1 joeTaco 2017-09-01
Cool, so you're either a liar or an idiot.
1 qaswexextort 2017-09-01
"No, socialism is refuted by the century or so of attempts worldwide to implement it, with universally catastrophic results involving millions of deaths."
"Waaah waah I'm a braindead propaganda swallowing 90 iq'ed amerifat with a mutilated cock. I'll just vomit nonsense, HaHA GOT EM". - You.
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
You are really bad at this.
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
/u/weareonlynothing
This reduces to "Everyone who doesn't want society run by a tyrannical dictator, is inherently terrible".
Yes, the anarchists too. They want themselves to be the dictators. It is a naked power ploy.
1 weareonlynothing 2017-09-01
I mean this is by definition it's not a matter of opinion and I explicitly said being a liberal doesn't make someone inherently terrible, I mentioned two (there's more than two of course but these are prominent examples historically) who I believe are people we at least socialists should look up to.
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
By definition of what word(s)? Show your reasoning.
I'm sure you think some of them can be "redeemed", sure. That doesn't change the fact that you hate them, and that you preach a hateful ideology towards them, as part of a group that is hateful towards them.
It also doesn't change the fact that you want society to be run by a tyrannical dictator, just like the fascists do.
1 weareonlynothing 2017-09-01
The rest of what you said doesn't deserve a serious answer because it isn't a serious response.
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
That doesn't answer my question. How does that prove that, if you don't want society run by a tyrannical dictator, that makes you inherently terrible?
Yes, it is. I'm sorry you don't feel that it is, but it is. It is completely, absolutely, dead serious.
You want society to be run by a tyrannical dictator, just like the fascists do, and you think liberals are terrible people for the specific reason that they do not want that.
1 weareonlynothing 2017-09-01
My point was that those are all the ideologies that aren't in the liberal political philosophical tradition, that's all. I never claimed anything about inherent terribleness.
Just because you think something is dead serious doesn't make it serious given any real standard. You have no idea what you're talking about and you strawman the entire argument to fit your own narrative so why should you be taken seriously?
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
If you didn't think being a liberal (as you define the concept) was inherently terrible you would be one, instead of posting in threads dedicated to complaining about them, in a subreddit for people who consider them the outgroup, as a part of a culture that is well-known for hating them. You also wouldn't draw the political dividing lines in a way that makes Democrats and Republicans fundamentally the same, given that the overwhelming majority of the American population a) falls into one of those camps and b) can immediately see what utter nonsense that is.
Um, yes, it does. I am the one who gets to determine whether I really mean what I'm saying or not. You aren't.
Nothing I said was in any way a strawman. You really do want society to be run by a tyrannical dictator, which is something you have in common with the fascists. This is demonstrated by the fact that you support an ideology that has a long, perfect track record of causing exactly that to happen, even though you are aware of the history.
Society presents you with a dominant ideology that is based in personal freedom, and you reject it. Because you do not believe in personal freedom. This is why your ideology inevitably leads to tyrannical dictators.
1 weareonlynothing 2017-09-01
lmfao
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
/u/NuclearOops
It's cute how you think the people getting hurt here actually are Nazis.
Or it would be, if it weren't fucking dangerous.
I particularly like the part where you didn't attempt to "correct" the "Or someone who just disagrees with them." bit. Because you know it's true, and you know it's terrible, and you don't have a way to justify it.
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
/u/Cuzien
Lol, it's funny how you think your little cult there gets to decide what the words in question mean.
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
Lol, I like the part where you nerds expect anyone to know who the fuck that even is, let alone expect your political opponents (by which you apparently mean over 90% of the country) to use him as a talking point.
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
/u/emma_troika
fucking w e w. You have literally one (1) example of this to work with right now, and Fields' political affiliation hasn't even been proven yet. Meanwhile, you're going to have a pretty hard time convincing me that Clanton didn't have murderous intent, because a guy with a fucking PhD reasonably ought to know that clobbering someone over the head with a piece of metal is often fatal.
1 zahlman 2017-09-01
/u/StrangeOne22
Cool crypto-racism, bro.
1 Gothmog26 2017-09-01
He's just upset Noah is being uppity
1 ArchangelleRomney 2017-09-01
It's this little thing called a joke, but if you're dumb enough to buy into socialism, I doubt you'll be able to wrap your head around concepts like jokes.
1 ltedt 2017-09-01
wtf i love trevor noah now
1 crimsonchibolt 2017-09-01
same thought WTF i want trevor noah's cock now
1 Gothmog26 2017-09-01
He's black; that's a given.
1 crimsonchibolt 2017-09-01
yeah but he jumped up a few spots.
1 TinyJibble 2017-09-01
Check this out.
u/nefastvs, as a dense person, I am triggered by your ableism. I thought r/socialism was a safe space for all levels of retardation.
1 SpectroSpecter 2017-09-01
Dude, why are you making fun of intellectually challenged thirteen year olds
Have some tact
1 aqouta 2017-09-01
/u/cuzien
Honestly, even as someone who isn't still a child and thus not a socialist moron, that's a pretty solid zinger. I think you'll make an excellent capitalist when you grow up some day.
1 HodorTheDoorHolder 2017-09-01
/u/CindySoLoud why did you only screenshot it and not link the article?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-daily-shows-trevor-noah-rails-against-antifa-they-are-vegan-isis
1 Deity_Of_Darkness 2017-09-01
Trevor Noah is a vile, smug liberal talk show host. The mainstream media, keeps pushing the "anti fascists are just as bad, if not worse than fascists" narrative. Nancy Pelosi wants to legally smear Antifa as "terrorists". Looks like the American government is openly tolerating fascists. I can easily see this idiotic remark by Trevor Noah as a signal that the mainstream media and the American government, along with the wealthy elite, will do anything to sabotage any potentially growing leftist movements from organizing.
1 SlayerofKings4 2017-09-01
Antifa are violent scumbags though. You guys got run over because of your ooking and eeking in the city streets
1 terriblegoat 2017-09-01
when did beating stupid down become wrong? you are a literal retard who has misjudged their importance to society. learn your place bitch, its at the end of the check out bagging my fucking groceries. i want that shit double bagged.
1 SlayerofKings4 2017-09-01
The rent that I pay is more than what you make a year, bruh.
1 terriblegoat 2017-09-01
lol, why you so mad corky? and you only make six figures if you leave out the decimal...you know, when you include disability.
1 SlayerofKings4 2017-09-01
Dude you're in Denver, median income of $62,000. The yearly rent in NoHo is more than half of that.
1 FuckingWrites 2017-09-01
Fuck off Eliot Rodger
1 SlayerofKings4 2017-09-01
Elliot Rodger was the result of miscegenation. I mean, I shouldn't be complaining as I am currently nailing a mulatto girl whose father is a dentist in Darien (guess where she gets her white half lol) but I'm not putting my babies in her, no fucking way.
1 JumbledFun 2017-09-01
Lol man are you one lonely kid
1 qaswexextort 2017-09-01
Too bad you're an ugly little bitch with a mutilated cock and 80 iq. Ahh, to be american.
1 AvocadoCake 2017-09-01
Hyperbolic comparisons are literally Hitler
1 Chicup 2017-09-01
I've noticed the left wing pundit types are turning slowly against antifa. I think they figured out they can't be allowed to represent the anti-trump people come 2018.
1 Bussypostin 2017-09-01
Be a lot cooler if you did
1 Ace4929 2017-09-01
Does the alt right??
1 sumant28 2017-09-01
I'm a vegan and I condemn ISIS
1 _rs 2017-09-01
Bet that took a lot of energy out of you, go rest a little.
1 LordZedd84T 2017-09-01
The far-left groups are so fuckin' bad at PR. The same people who desire revolution are often the same people who don't seem to think they need to court the masses.
1 Mexagon 2017-09-01
It's so strange seeing them think of themselves as the allied forces in ww2, considering they've hated that generation their whole lives.
1 Ace4929 2017-09-01
Tbh, if you dont promise to vivisect and then set on fire anybody who has ever said anything criticozong anybody that has ever said anything against a nazi ever then you deserve to slowly starve to death in a gulag
1 Gothmog26 2017-09-01
You confuse me.
1 Ace4929 2017-09-01
Thats the kind of thing a fascist would say
1 jubbergun 2017-09-01
Someone should tell poor Comrade /u/drkalmenius that you can hate Nazis and still be a piece of shit. For example, the communists of the USSR were against the actual, honest-to-God, Hitler is the fuhrer Nazis in WWII when it mattered. It wasn't just the proud, freedom-loving democracies of western Europe and our own republic. Of course, you'd probably have to explain to them why Stalin was a monster and commies are no better than Nazis, which would likely make them toss their tendies and start a rousing round of "NOT REAL COMMUNISM/SOCIALISM."
1 drkalmenius 2017-09-01
Believe your own shit, your last line proves your ignorance and lack of will to do anything about it.
1 jubbergun 2017-09-01
As predicted, the tendies are all over the floor. The only reason the sub I summoned you from is called /r/socialism is because Reddit would ban a sub called /r/Retards.
1 drkalmenius 2017-09-01
Fuck off guys. No one gives a shit about your politics, your sub is literally about hating on others.
1 ZeitgeistNow 2017-09-01
We only hate on people who deserve it, hence why commie drama is common here, because you people are completely reprehensible.
Show bussy or go fuck yourself
1 Gothmog26 2017-09-01
Whereas you just hate yourself.
1 knottedfate 2017-09-01
"antifa is fighting ISIS"
lol
1 nio151 2017-09-01
Its funny how they get super offended by someone calling them isis but have no trouble calling everyone else a nazi