It only reduces certain sub-specific types of hate speech. But other subs will pop up in their place, with their own specific "hate"-words that have different forms, yet mean exactly the same. You can't seriously think that "hate-speech" has been reduced since 2015, because the collective jargon of all of Reddit seems to be defined by T_D and /pol/ by proxy, and banning other subs hasn't done anything to reduce that. FPH became Holdmyfries, and Coontown can still be found to a lesser extent in right-wing communities.
Utopia is a British thriller drama action television series that was broadcast on Channel 4 from 15 January 2013 to 12 August 2014. The show was written by Dennis Kelly and starred Fiona O'Shaughnessy, Adeel Akhtar, Paul Higgins, Nathan Stewart-Jarrett, Alexandra Roach, Oliver Woollford, Alistair Petrie and Neil Maskell. A second six-episode series was commissioned by Channel 4 and went into production in late 2013. Series 2 started airing with a double-bill spread over two nights on Monday 14 July and Tuesday 15 July 2014.
How convenient that the hate subs can say "you can't ban us it just makes us more powerful!" like some cliche movie villain and then people just eat that shit up without skepticism.
Tbh they just calling the worst speech they can find as "hate speech". It has nothing to do with hate but everything to do with how clean they want society to be.
I don't know, I think there's some effect when you remove echospheres. People like to act like things like /pol/ are containment boards and if you remove them those same people will post the same things in other spaces but that's not entirely true. Kids in /pol/ are constantly reinforcing each other. If those spaces didn't exist there would be a lot less of that behavior.
software cant even carry on a halfway decent conversation, how the fuck are they going to use it to reliably detect 'hate speech' across millions of comments?
1) You have no clue how their software works. 2) Constructing a toy counterexample to how (you believe) their software identifies hate speech does not mean that their findings are inaccurate overall. Every good ML algorithm has error; the point is to beat humans, not to be perfect. 3) If an ML algorithm was for some reason looking at sentences and classifying users, and identified you as a racist based on the previous comment, I would not consider that an error. 4) It is obtuse to pretend that the incidence of slurs is not correlated with hate speech.
as of right now, hate speech on reddit isn't very original. it's already being pretty reliably detected by mods using automoderater. among highly active subreddits, there are two kinds: those with visible hate speech, and those going hardcore on automodding it out. you're already seeing the results, even if you didn't notice it. (although imo the best subreddits use humans to judge flagged posts instead of removing everything that trips the filter)
Where does it go, though? Studies show that hate is increasing at an accelerating rate. If the hate isn't contained here, have we "inadvertently" 'accidentally' spilled all over the IRLs?
The empirical part of our work examines the usage of hate words
generated from posts made in two communities, namely r/fatpeoplehate and r/CoonTown. We
have not considered pieces of data including other subreddits that engaged in hate speech, existing
blacklists, and so on. Future work exploring and leveraging other pieces of data could paint a richer
picture of Reddit’s hate communities, and possibly aid in wider coverage of hate speech.
They can't empirically prove at the moment that accounts associated with hate speech on FPH and CT didn't re-register and go right back at it.
It actually says next to nothing about overall hate speech. They found that banning fatpeoplehate and coontown had a significant impact... On the behavior of users from fatpeoplehate and coontown. The control group was composed of random users with similar join dates and karma as corresponding people in their "treatment" group. Those people displayed no change in the hate speech metrics.
Their other study tried to show that people from the banned subs didn't trigger an increase of hate speech in other subs. The numbers they used are erratic and don't even match the findings of the first study. At best it indicates that the ban didn't catastrophically backfire which I guess is a sort of victory?
In any case the actual hate speech numbers are irrelevant. The effects of words are in how they're perceived. They could get more useful data in a fraction of the effort by drafting up a Google poll.
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1 SnapshillBot 2017-09-11
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1 Ultrashitpost 2017-09-11
I hate to seriouspost but whatever.
It only reduces certain sub-specific types of hate speech. But other subs will pop up in their place, with their own specific "hate"-words that have different forms, yet mean exactly the same. You can't seriously think that "hate-speech" has been reduced since 2015, because the collective jargon of all of Reddit seems to be defined by T_D and /pol/ by proxy, and banning other subs hasn't done anything to reduce that. FPH became Holdmyfries, and Coontown can still be found to a lesser extent in right-wing communities.
1 scatmunchies 2017-09-11
Shut up faggot
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-09-11
Are you calling me a faggot
1 telandrias 2017-09-11
I hate to seriouspost but I think he called you a faggot.
1 Kekistanian9000 2017-09-11
I've carefully checked your and his statements and can also verify that he called him a faggot indeed.
1 Eternal_Mr_Bones 2017-09-11
Shut the fuck up you're going to get us b&.
1 ironicshitpostr 2017-09-11
Oh thank god finally
1 wow___justwow 2017-09-11
https://i.imgur.com/NkpKA2o.gifv
1 aqouta 2017-09-11
wtf is that from?
1 wow___justwow 2017-09-11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia_(UK_TV_series)
1 WikiTextBot 2017-09-11
Utopia (UK TV series)
Utopia is a British thriller drama action television series that was broadcast on Channel 4 from 15 January 2013 to 12 August 2014. The show was written by Dennis Kelly and starred Fiona O'Shaughnessy, Adeel Akhtar, Paul Higgins, Nathan Stewart-Jarrett, Alexandra Roach, Oliver Woollford, Alistair Petrie and Neil Maskell. A second six-episode series was commissioned by Channel 4 and went into production in late 2013. Series 2 started airing with a double-bill spread over two nights on Monday 14 July and Tuesday 15 July 2014.
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1 DownvotesAgendas 2017-09-11
Downvoted.
1 TheMauveHand 2017-09-11
And besides, how is this surprising? Turns out if you ban people if they say some things they tend not to say those things. Shocking, I know.
1 Fletch71011 2017-09-11
Didn't you read the AgainstHateSubreddits post? We all came here.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-09-11
Nobody hates black people more than Yankee liberals, friendo.
1 hlary 2017-09-11
y-you saying bad things about liberals downvoted!!! >:(
drama is entering the pont of no return
1 darth_stroyer 2017-09-11
unironically wanting /r/drama to upvote 'libruls are da real racissts'
1 hlary 2017-09-11
faggot you know he was saying it atleast semi ironically which is more then can be said about the people who downvoted im
1 darth_stroyer 2017-09-11
no he's not /u/ManhattanTransFur is a legit retard
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-09-11
Ooh, a new fan.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-09-11
Ok Uncle Tom
1 LSU_Coonass 2017-09-11
where do you ever see see t_d shit outside of t_d, reddit is non stop lefitst circlejerk, even in big "non-political" (pics, gifs, nfl, etc...) subs.
1 SethRichOrDieTryin 2017-09-11
SOMEBODY GET THIS PATRIOT A COAT
1 CucksLoveTrump 2017-09-11
TEN FEET HIGHER!
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-11
10 BILLIONS MILES FASTER CHOO CHOO MOTHERFUCKING LIBCUCK 🚂💨💨💨
1 IvankaTrumpIsMyWaifu 2017-09-11
OVER THE WALL FOR THIS TROLL
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-11
HELICOPTER RIDES OR BUST 😤😤😤
1 youcanteatbullets 2017-09-11
Keep Yourself Warm
1 BannaHamHock 2017-09-11
Sorry but someone told me that Reddit was a right wing website akin to Sturm Frant?
1 CirqueDuFuder 2017-09-11
Something a cuck would say.
1 explohd 2017-09-11
KIA
1 ChipChippersonAMA 2017-09-11
/r/conspiracy
1 bjt23 2017-09-11
I don't think anyone used "cuckold" outside of Shakespeare and steampunk prior to this election.
1 Wordshark 2017-09-11
Wtf does "cuckold" have to do with steampunk?
1 bjt23 2017-09-11
Sometimes it can be fun to use old timely slang in a steampunk setting.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-09-11
Democrats had not embraced the "affront to God" style of thought back in 2012
1 newprofile15 2017-09-11
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How convenient that the hate subs can say "you can't ban us it just makes us more powerful!" like some cliche movie villain and then people just eat that shit up without skepticism.
1 headasplodes 2017-09-11
Boy I sure do hate black people!
Oh no I've been banned! How am I supposed to hate black people now?
1 newprofile15 2017-09-11
You can go hate them on Voat. By your logic propaganda is completely useless and rhetoric influences no one.
1 Neronoah 2017-09-11
Do you have any evidence of that? Just having something that sounds reasonable is not enough for this stuff.
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-09-11
Just my asshole
1 Neronoah 2017-09-11
*bussy
1 Kekistanian9000 2017-09-11
Tbh they just calling the worst speech they can find as "hate speech". It has nothing to do with hate but everything to do with how clean they want society to be.
1 carthoris26 2017-09-11
I wish.
1 definitelymyrealname 2017-09-11
I don't know, I think there's some effect when you remove echospheres. People like to act like things like /pol/ are containment boards and if you remove them those same people will post the same things in other spaces but that's not entirely true. Kids in /pol/ are constantly reinforcing each other. If those spaces didn't exist there would be a lot less of that behavior.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-09-11
Same for r/politics. Remove it and we will see less REEEEEEEEEEEEinforcement of globalist cancer
1 hlary 2017-09-11
this circlebroke teir serious post sitting at 65 upboats jesus /r/drama what happened to ya?
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-09-11
I said my brain hurts famalam. Don't worry, i'll be back to shitposting tomorrow.
1 hlary 2017-09-11
who cares boy the upvotes themselves speak volumes
1 subpoutine 2017-09-11
Mods, this Indian drama spam is really getting out of hand.
1 aliceunknown 2017-09-11
This is why god created Pakistan.
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-11
Ew. No.
1 BussySundae 2017-09-11
Shows up in mere hours when summoned.
1 ndizzIe 2017-09-11
HE'S HEATING UP
HE'S ON FIRE
BOOM CHAKALAKASEKHARAN
1 SperglockHolmes 2017-09-11
Gentlemen, it has been a privilege playing with you tonight.
1 Ultrashitpost 2017-09-11
It hasn't, really
1 SperglockHolmes 2017-09-11
Yeah.
1 Vakieh 2017-09-11
Too fucking true, shitposting is our God given right, not some privilege.
1 aliceunknown 2017-09-11
M8, you've been playing with yourself.
1 DoubleCheekedUp 2017-09-11
me too thanks
1 m32th4nks 2017-09-11
┴┬┴┤Me too thanks├┬┴┬
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-11
hit me with them spit facts boi
1 m32th4nks 2017-09-11
The moon once had spit on it. Pretty whacky huh?
1 Ed_ButteredToast 2017-09-11
No not really
1 wolfsktaag 2017-09-11
software cant even carry on a halfway decent conversation, how the fuck are they going to use it to reliably detect 'hate speech' across millions of comments?
pro-tip: theyre not
1 colonel-o-popcorn 2017-09-11
Pretty ignorant comment. Natural language is much easier to process than it is to reproduce.
1 wolfsktaag 2017-09-11
calling someone a kike sucking nigger faggot is a mean thing to say. this sentence would also be considered hate speech by their software
1 colonel-o-popcorn 2017-09-11
1) You have no clue how their software works. 2) Constructing a toy counterexample to how (you believe) their software identifies hate speech does not mean that their findings are inaccurate overall. Every good ML algorithm has error; the point is to beat humans, not to be perfect. 3) If an ML algorithm was for some reason looking at sentences and classifying users, and identified you as a racist based on the previous comment, I would not consider that an error. 4) It is obtuse to pretend that the incidence of slurs is not correlated with hate speech.
1 wolfsktaag 2017-09-11
the above comment is also hate speech
1 SpectroSpecter 2017-09-11
Whoa, let's calm down with the hate speech there buddy
1 glmox 2017-09-11
so do you think you made some sort of point here or do you just like saying le bad words
1 wolfsktaag 2017-09-11
keep it up and your RES score gonna be negative
1 ieatpussy69 2017-09-11
Both are a challenge for u/wolfsktaag
1 ca2co3 2017-09-11
They just use the same proven tech as the Google controversial speech detector lol.
1 stopspammingme 2017-09-11
as of right now, hate speech on reddit isn't very original. it's already being pretty reliably detected by mods using automoderater. among highly active subreddits, there are two kinds: those with visible hate speech, and those going hardcore on automodding it out. you're already seeing the results, even if you didn't notice it. (although imo the best subreddits use humans to judge flagged posts instead of removing everything that trips the filter)
1 dogbref 2017-09-11
Does this include crypto-hate speech?
1 John_Kvetch 2017-09-11
Na, crypto-hate doesn't count, we're still in the clear boyos
1 youcanteatbullets 2017-09-11
Nothing "crypto" about the hate here
1 rarestpepesforsale 2017-09-11
If crypto is code for Irish, I'm all about the crypto hate.
1 John_Kvetch 2017-09-11
Them cryptos really need to give up the means of potatoes.
1 rarestpepesforsale 2017-09-11
Day of the Spud can't come soon enough.
1 thesnakeinthegarden 2017-09-11
STOP CRYPTO HATING ME, FAGGOT!
1 HINDBRAIN 2017-09-11
I'm whistling very hard into my dog, his anal tract can't take much more.
1 damn_it_so_much 2017-09-11
This is good for bitcoin
1 aqouta 2017-09-11
They're going after the lolcows, attempting to starve us out.
1 disgruntled_lawyer 2017-09-11
What about post-modern, neo-non-fascist hate speech?
1 glmox 2017-09-11
they say that like its a good thing
1 Serious_Drama_Not 2017-09-11
Mockery and shaming autists and spergers from the position of a rational centrism is not a hate speech.
Because if it is, Trump 2024, too.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-09-11
The God-Emperor will never leave us.
1 Neronoah 2017-09-11
You are another of those "socially conservative, economically far left" types? smh
1 FaygoMakesMeGo 2017-09-11
Thats like saying shooting black people reduces crime.
1 King-Achelexus 2017-09-11
I come to this sub for the hot race comparisons.
1 IvankaTrumpIsMyWaifu 2017-09-11
It wouldn't be wrong
1 thesnakeinthegarden 2017-09-11
What about crypto-hate speech?
Besides, we all know that it's intolerant to ban the intolerant.
"You can't call everyone faggots! Banned!"
OOOO, r/lgbt, such a tolerant bunch you are!
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-09-11
I clicked on /r/lgbt and I didn't see any actual homos. It was just a bunch of mentally-ill gender blobs talking about which anime gives xir hope.
1 80BAIT08 2017-09-11
Someone should cross post this to /r/holdmyfries so whoever wasted their time writing that can go comfort eat over their lost time.
1 grungebot5000 2017-09-11
But no trials with crypto-speech? What's it got to do with us then
1 CC3940A61E 2017-09-11
"hate speech"
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-09-11
Study shows banning Islams in Poland and Japan reduced jihadzi attacks to zero.
1 saint2e 2017-09-11
Nah, we're good. We're deemed to be "crypto-hate" which is one step removed from "real hate".
We're the diet coke of hate speech. Just "keep yourself safe", not hating enough.
1 Hydrium 2017-09-11
But what if we ironically call them niggers and faggots?
1 Wraith_GraveSpell 2017-09-11
Then they ironically ban us.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-09-11
Study Shows Banning Wrong-Think On /r/politics Subreddit Reduced Overall Thought On Reddit
1 neutralvoter 2017-09-11
science funding getting cut left and right. tight competition for grants. overall lack of stability in academic funding.
mfw portions of the that significantly limited funding goes to studying reddit.
fuck it, why bother with science at this point.
1 rightwingnutcase 2017-09-11
Where does it go, though? Studies show that hate is increasing at an accelerating rate. If the hate isn't contained here, have we "inadvertently" 'accidentally' spilled all over the IRLs?
1 IntellectualEuphoria 2017-09-11
/r/the_donald /r/shitpoliticssays /r/libertarian /r/worldnews /r/incels /pol/
1 censoredandagain 2017-09-11
Killing random people in the street also prevents their suicide!!!!
1 Cake_eater666 2017-09-11
Dis anudda shoah.
1 ManhattanTransFur 2017-09-11
Obviously the most hateable people want special treatment so they can escape the social correction they have earned
1 PM_ME_HAIRLESS_CATS 2017-09-11
They can't empirically prove at the moment that accounts associated with hate speech on FPH and CT didn't re-register and go right back at it.
1 Jetz72 2017-09-11
It actually says next to nothing about overall hate speech. They found that banning fatpeoplehate and coontown had a significant impact... On the behavior of users from fatpeoplehate and coontown. The control group was composed of random users with similar join dates and karma as corresponding people in their "treatment" group. Those people displayed no change in the hate speech metrics.
Their other study tried to show that people from the banned subs didn't trigger an increase of hate speech in other subs. The numbers they used are erratic and don't even match the findings of the first study. At best it indicates that the ban didn't catastrophically backfire which I guess is a sort of victory?
In any case the actual hate speech numbers are irrelevant. The effects of words are in how they're perceived. They could get more useful data in a fraction of the effort by drafting up a Google poll.