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/u/tricksandkicks I hope you're proud of yourself

Blatant circle jerk posts are a prime component of ask Reddit, nothing new here except commies being commies,

nothing new here except commies being commies,

That's new huh? So what did the commies do before they were commies? And who did all that commie shit with like the cold war and gulags and everything, before the commies started being commies?

Congratulations; pretty sure this is the most deeply retarded shit i've seen on reddit since retards started being retards.

It took 12 hours for someone to call out my shit grammar, I'm ashamed of myself and of /r/drama, this place has gone to shit since the bird posts stopped.

I don't mind paying taxes for good people but I don't want my taxes going towards people I don't like.

That's not how it works

With enough right wing death squads, it can be.

This but unironically

Yeah, but he's an ironicshitpostr.

He's an unironicshitpostr

Best novelty account every

Don't worry, Daddy will make it happen 😍😍😘😘🍆🍆

You understand that deciding how to allocate tax money is, like, the entire purpose of politics?

Come on. I hate that I have to tell you that he isn't serious

You understand that deciding how to allocate karma is, like, the entire purpose of /r/drama?

This scandavian bullshit faggot country has healthcare... why don't we?!?

America size vs. Gay Euro land

fat fucks dying of heart attacks

Meh. Whatever man. Aflac will pay a tiny bit to help out with the eventual stomach cancer that will take my chink ass. Rather have that then live in Finland or Sweden.

Oh I don't know, every Nordic country I've visited has been pretty tits. I wouldn't mind spending a few years in Sweden, just need to jump through some hoops to get that EU residency.

wouldn't mind spending a few years in Sweden

You would. It's cold and people sure act like it sigh... I'm being hyperbolic, it's cool (I still mean cool as in cold as in bad though)

I like the cold. And most Swedes I've met have been pretty awesome.

You'll probably enjoy it then. It's not bad. I'd choose a place like Vaasa in Finland, but that's because I've never been. Decent size, close to Umeå by boat if you want to explore something new. University town if I'm not mistaken which is nice if you're the right age. If you want a big city go for Copenhagen.

just need to jump through some hoops to get that EU residency.

Just tell them you're from Syria and they'll start throwing welfare money at you and evict some Nordic family so you have a place to sell dope from.

How brown do I have to be?

Brown enough

Brown as toilet paper when you're about halfway done wiping

I want universal healthcare, universal basic income, and tuition-free college for everyone so the resulting high blood pressure kills off the old people. Then I want marijuana legalization to be denied so both the Bernie Bros and MAGAts REEE the fuck out.

I can't disagree. There's nothing I love more than someone giving money to me. The more the better, actually.

this is literally my fetish

i love this chaos element

I want universal healthcare, universal basic income, and tuition-free college for everyone

Good news, Europe already exists, come over here and watch the morons on the other side of the pond argue about problems we solved long ago.

Is weed legal?

Ok but no irony, America was a mistake.

I want universal healthcare, universal basic income, and tuition-free college for everyone

Good news, Europe already exists, come over here and watch the morons on the other side of the pond argue about problems we solved long ago.

Every askreddit thread trying to address why right wingers feel the way they do about anything is always going to be a shitshow, because you're asking right wingers to comment their thoughts and then expect them to be backed by some sort of logic or consistency that can be argued against.

Take your "Answer question, enjoy -214 karma" one at the bottom, the guy claims universal healthcare is going to stop new drug development, but does he explain why he is blaming the concept of getting insurance providers out of the healthcare system for the possibility of future price controls on new drugs or that we're somehow going to overhaul the patent system when we go universal? Of course not.

Some of it IS a genuine shitshow, but most of it is just what happens when you ask idiots for their opinion, hell like 50 of the downvoted threads say the same thing as the 13th comment posted, to you the other 50 getting massively downvoted is a "shitshow" but to someone who gets how Reddit the website is designed to function I just see 50 duplicate comments downvoted for adding nothing to the discussion.

/counter rant

because you're asking right wingers to comment their thoughts and then expect them to be backed by some sort of logic or consistency that can be argued against.

Can you not read?

He says it's because of Capitalism

Why do you hate America so much Commie?

You're so brave for sticking up to those uneducated right wingers and downvoting them on Reddit, maybe you'll get extra tendies tonight.

If only we were all smart enough to use Reddit how it's designed to function like you are.

maybe you'll get extra tendies tonight.

i want extra tendies tonight :(

Investing in a deep fryer is well worth it my man, I've got Emeril's.

That's communism you fuckwit.

This isn't your personal blog you dirty mayo take the agenda posting elsewhere

Insurance has very little to do with how drugs are priced. That guy's answer also sucks.

The real reason to oppose universal healthcare is that it will inevitably create a shortage of good doctors, and the effects of this are already starting to be felt in larger countries like Canada. The United States has the best healthcare in the world precisely because it attracts and rewards exceptionalism outside of the niche R.O.A.D. fields. No one who has a salaried job in the United States wants to shift to a system where their private insurance nets them shittier healthcare at similar cost, with the only alternative being the public option: which will cause obscene waiting periods for anything not immediately life-threatening.

There's also that whole thing where it's not actually the government's job to help poor people, but I'm not about to waste time explaining the inherent cannibalism and ethical contradictions of an altruistic framework to the kinds of leftist losers that occupy this website.

The United States has the best healthcare in the world

aside from the fact that you based this on literally nothing but your feels, a healthcare system that, by design, dis-incentivizes seeking healthcare is pretty obviously not the "best" at anything except being fucking retarded

aside from the fact that you based this on literally nothing but your feels,

Remind me which country it is that people regularly fly to for the best surgeons and healthcare specialists in the world and the shortest waits. Australia? Sweden?

a healthcare system that, by design, dis-incentivizes seeking healthcare is pretty obviously not the "best" at anything except being fucking retarded

What? I go to the doctor regularly for physicals and blood work, sometimes as often as 3 times a year. I never wait more than 10 minutes to see someone and never pay more than $15 a visit.

The one surgery I've had was covered by my health insurance and performed a day after I entered the ER, and for a situation that was not life threatening.

Can you explain how I'm disincentivized to receive healthcare? That's not just how you feel, is it?

Or do you also believe that having to pay for food is a system that, "by design", disincentivizes eating?

It's worth noting that I don't consider the U.S. system ideal, but it is better than anything elsewhere in the world by an enormous margin.

Or do you also believe that having to pay for food is a system that, "by design", disincentivizes eating?

it disincentivizes buying food, yes, obviously. if it didnt a whole lot of people would be having fine wine with their dinners. just like having to pay for healthcare disincentivizes buying healthcare. thats how having to spend money works, id think youd understand that. if youre wealthy enough (or work a good enough job) to be able to afford a good plan (the existence of bad plans being something you completely gloss over), then obviously this is not a meaningful deterrent most of the time. a lot of people arent in your position, though, which means anything from suffering through the flu without medicine because they cant afford it to getting cancer because they couldnt financially justify having a suspicious lump checked out to going hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt because of a freak accident.

and before you try your cheap gotcha: no one needs caviar to live. you can get by, and even be healthy, on little more than bread and water. but almost everyone eventually needs expensive medical treatment, and are more likely to need it if they cant afford it, because they couldnt afford the preventative care that you prudently arrange for. this isnt some failure of the system, it's inherent to the design. now, personally, i would describe this design element as a flaw, and furthermore a system with such a flaw "fucking retarded," but if youre fine with poor people dying because they couldnt afford treatment (which is still a perfectly acceptable viewpoint in america, dont get me wrong!) then i can understand why it doesnt factor into your judgement.

but if youre fine with poor people dying because they couldnt afford treatment (which is still a perfectly acceptable viewpoint in america, dont get me wrong!) then i can understand why it doesnt factor into your judgement.

Good. Now grow past the emotional maturity of a 19 year old who unironically questions why there are homeless people in a country full of empty houses.

well, props for being ideologically coherent, most conservatives arent on this issue

Neither are liberals, to be fair, whose arguments from empathy never extend to the middle class Americans and up that will be forced to pay for healthcare they don't want, or the doctors who will be forced to work for less money and longer hours.

Ideological consistency is impossible when you promote liberal ideals based on an "ethics of care."

Where do you find the energy do intelligently argue with idiots on the webs so much and can I subscribe to your newsletter?

What are ROAD fields? Do you oppose all forms of welfare or prefer a stronger workfare model?

Radiology, ophthalmology, anesthesia, and dermatology. The four fields that medical students are flocking to due to better hours and higher payouts from private insurance.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23553086/

Take your "Answer question, enjoy -214 karma" one at the bottom, the guy claims universal healthcare is going to stop new drug development, but does he explain why he is blaming the concept of getting insurance providers out of the healthcare system for the possibility of future price controls on new drugs or that we're somehow going to overhaul the patent system when we go universal? Of course not.

If you linked the person you're talking about perhaps I wouldn't be inclined to defend them but most people praise universal healthcare as a cost savings solution namely in it's ability to squeeze big pharma to get medication for pennies on the dollar like most European health insurance schemes do. If the US as the primary market does that it would indeed pretty clearly downsize research efforts.

Now there are pretty good counter arguments to that line of reasoning but you can't just dismiss it for short handing that explanation which should really be front of mind for anyone concerned about a healthcare funding restructuring process.

I mean,

No U cummie.

Take your "Answer question, enjoy -214 karma" one at the bottom, the guy claims universal healthcare is going to stop new drug development, but does he explain why he is blaming the concept of getting insurance providers out of the healthcare system for the possibility of future price controls on new drugs or that we're somehow going to overhaul the patent system when we go universal? Of course not.

So is that his problem or yours? The common point here is that single payer or whatever allows for monopsony negotiation with drug companies, and hence lower prices... and hence profits for drug companies, and so less R+D at the margin.

I mean, the monopsony thing is usually touted as a plus by single payer advocates, and the rest of these points trivially proceed. So what are you actually objecting to?

You really triggered a bunch of reeeeetarded right wingers lol

Sometimes satan lives in the suburbs, behind a picket fence and with 2.5 children. Usually satan votes republican, not always tho.

I too hate rethuglikkklans

People who think healthcare is a right: What is your bonkers definition of a "right" that makes healthcare a "right"?

To be clear I think we'd be better off with universal healthcare but "heathcare is a right" makes my eye twitch every time I hear it.

Rights are subjective, contextual, and localized, you weirdo. What is your bonkers definition that makes gun ownership a "right"?

It is self-evident, nigga.

the right to bear “arms” is also vague enough that you could ban all guns and people could just start carrying around spears or something

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

Since the dawn of time people have been able to pick up weapons and defend themselves and their families. Can the same be said about healthcare? Was a tribe leader obligated to lend his witch doctor to every fucking caveman that walked through the door? No.

>cavemen and witch doctors coexisting

Learn history you dumb retard

maybe, but theirs a qualitative difference between positive and negative rights, whatever the context

"rights" are whatever the general population decides. It's not like innate rights exist in nature.

And healthcare is defined as a right by the UN:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_health

Right to health

The right to health is the economic, social and cultural right to a universal minimum standard of health to which all individuals are entitled. The concept of a right to health has been enumerated in international agreements which include the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. There is debate on the interpretation and application of the right to health due to considerations such as how health is defined, what minimum entitlements are encompassed in a right to health, and which institutions are responsible for ensuring a right to health.

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your pedantry is somehow incredibly autistic and incredibly irrational simultaneously

impressive

Snappy quote when

I've heard it argued that "Life" is one of the inalienable rights set out the constitution. This is from people who don't know the definition of inalienable, or understand the concept of negative rights.

I am confuse , right to life is a negative right and inalienable

in·al·ien·a·ble

unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor.

The government is prohibited from taking these rights without due process.

The reason for state funded lawyers is because of this.

Americans have some retarded obsession with "rights", like they actually think "rights" are a real thing.

"Rights" in America are same as anywhere else; a "right" is whatever the government says it is.

Apart from that "a right" is just an entitled, self-righteous way of saying "something I want".

It's a right in my country. There are no natural rights. Only what a society decides are rights. Some countries just seem to really wanna be classified as a developing nation.

Not to serious post too much but

People who are not obese have to foot the bill for the infrastructure and the care for someone who literally has no self control when eating.

Arguments like this are extremely dumb. You clearly don't understand healthcare or health insurance if you post this. Healthier people subsidizing sick people is the most basic mechanism of health insurance as it exists today and how it'd exist in single-payer as well.

At least single-payer would have the wealthy pay into that subsidy more, and would also result in economic incentive for a healthy population, which might force sane health policy and better nutritional education.

R O N P A U L 2 0 1 2 tho fuck the poor smoke kush

Actually, its a dumb argument but for a different reason. The obese, along with smokers, both cost less in medical care over their lifetime because they die sooner.

It can be dumb for many reasons.

Yeah but do they go on retirement/disability sooner?

Healthier people subsidizing sick people is the most basic mechanism of health insurance as it exists today and how it'd exist in single-payer as well.

Insurance is meant to protect against unpredictable ex post risks. Throwing people who obviously have very different expected health care costs is literally not insurance, it's just redistribution that we call insurance for PR reasons.

So all you're doing is pointing out that single payer is to a large extent not actually insurance, it's just a bunch of transfers that also happens to insure people to some extent.

That's part of it, and I'm aware of insurance pools. But health insurance doesn't just exist for unexpected expensive and deadly illnesses. Most rising medical expenses are just going to come from getting older.

Insurance is also supposed to get you more affordable care by having your provider negotiate on behalf of a large amount of people, giving them more sway in negotiations. With single-payer you have a huge amount of negotiation power because of how many people would be represented.

Yes requiring people to pay more taxes for societal healthcare involves people being forced by the government to pay taxes. Taxes ideally go towards things that are in the public interest, which I think public health is.

Most rising medical expenses are just going to come from getting older.

Sure. But insofar as you're trying to just get young people to pay for old people's heath care, that's not insurance. Aging is not an unpredictable ex post risk.

Insurance is also supposed to get you more affordable care by having your provider negotiate on behalf of a large amount of people, giving them more sway in negotiations.

An insurance pool being able to exercise monopsony power isn't really a core part of insurance. It is however an upside for some people when talking about single payer, especially if you ignore the classical deadweight losses associated with monopsony, which of course everyone does.

you’ve shown me the light. im not gonna pay taxes anymore because drunk drivers exist so my taxes that could pave roads for everyone else might pay for a dumbfuck to get into an accident easier

Roads are a public good. Health insurance is not.

ah yes, herd immunity is not a Public Good you sure got me with your epic logic

Yeah I forgot that like 98% of health care expenditures are for vaccination you got me.

R O N P A U L 2 0 1 2

Strongly agree. Ron Paul once said "money is just zeroes and ones in a computer, it doesn't exist or some shit" or some shit

Whenever people disagree, the best argument is always "holy shit my dude, it's [current year] and people still disagree with me??? how dare you not have my perspective?! you are immoral and probably a serial killer!"

Once I figured out that non-whites benefited from Obamacare I cast my vote for daddy Trump to take my health care away just to own the minorities. I'm not a cuck.

u/tricksandkicks I'm against universal healthcare because it would prove an unfortunate hindrance to your and your tranny friend's inevitable attempts at keeping yourselves safe.

Idk a single trans person irl so actually this is an excellent and accurate comment feel free to be proud of yourself as you sit behind your computer. That being said I wish I was trans so that I could slapback at your ignorant ass right now. Who are you to judge??? I'm sure that you do some weird ass shit in your personal time that you'd never want anyone to know about, at least trans people are (mostly) open about who they are. Stop pretending that you hate on others when really you just hate yourself.

You're right, I have reconsidered my ways and repented. I have decided that the reason for my blatant transphobia is my own homosexuality. Thank you for helping me achieve this realization, can I ask you for a single favour?

I can at least appreciate your sarcasm

In appreciation for that, then. Post bussy.

What's the favour?

That being said I wish I was trans so that I could slapback at your ignorant ass right now

I can say with great certainty that your wish is going to come true some day

Probably shortly after you begin college

Graduated college thanks

That explains it.

I'm against universal health care because the idea of any of these people benefiting from my life is my greatest nightmare

If there was a thing I could sign that made it so my taxes couldn't go toward some college leftist's gonorrhea treatment I'd be 100% fine with it

What if they spread it and it makes its way to you?

What if a sexually transmitted disease makes its way to me?

I don't think I have to worry about that.

Oh, by "right" they mean "somebody else does all the work"

/u/BF1_Player2016

foot the bill for the infrastructure and the care for someone who literally has no self control when eating.

foot the bill for the infrastructure and the care for someone who can't stop overdosing on pills and slashing their wrists.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

If you don't live in the US and you give a shit about US politics, you need to find a hobby and stop being a faggot.

The second America's inherent retardation stops affecting the rest of the world you'll have a point to make.

The second America's inherent retardation stops affecting the rest of the world you'll have a point to make.

If yer not a third world country this shit doesn't apply and even then stop being a shitty third world country just sayin